2017 - 2021 Prius Prime - 8.79kWh Battery Deep Dive

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@jessievaca
@jessievaca 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You for your informative videos! I have a 2017 Prius Prime Advance and recently noticed the battery is not charging as much as it did before. I used to charge and it would tell me I had 28 or 29 miles of EV driving range now it only goes from 22 to 24 miles of range. Not bad really but I really love this car and was wondering if anyone out there is doing upgrades of this battery to up the range past the original amount? If so please point me in the proper direction and if you know an estimate on how much it would cost!
@gangpw924
@gangpw924 6 жыл бұрын
great video thank You, my 2018 Prime, 869 miles so far, halfway through my 1st tank , the daily EV commute experience is amazing
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, the EV experience is very addictive. Have a great day!
@TRYtoHELPyou
@TRYtoHELPyou 6 жыл бұрын
Oh man!!! Another one!!!!! Thanks for doing what you do man :)
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MattExzy
@MattExzy 6 жыл бұрын
Likewise, I'll probably never own a Prius, but I find this all very awesome and interesting. Great presentation, no pretense, clear, concise, easy to listen to, what an awesome channel with an awesome host.
@77.88.
@77.88. 3 жыл бұрын
@@MattExzy In my opinion the Prius is by far the very best engineered car on the road for the least amount of money my 2013 Prius lights up each day and goes down the road over 150,000 and runs well with normal maintenance, no surprises!
@lolz8930
@lolz8930 5 жыл бұрын
it's stuff like this that make me cement my choice in taking up engineering as a degree. i've always had at thing for arts, but ill be lying if i said this kind of technology is boring. amazing presentation, professor! :)
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you and best wishes with your career choice
@glenngoodale1709
@glenngoodale1709 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Professor John Kelly for your great teaching !! You really have a gift for it. I need to watch it again, before I take the test ...
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@rahhal83
@rahhal83 6 жыл бұрын
It's look like the old prius plug in
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
The old one had a separate battery for hybrid mode
@John-ny6yy
@John-ny6yy 4 жыл бұрын
That was one of the best instructional videos that I have ever seen. Great job Prof on your clarity and data. So much amazing tech built into these new li-on battery packs. There are so many people that drive them and dont realize how much is going on in the battery system. Amazing engineering hands down..
@أيمنمصطفى-س6س
@أيمنمصطفى-س6س 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Professor. Can we put this battery pack in a 3rd generation prius plug-in 2015?
@joemasterman4305
@joemasterman4305 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely the best instructional videos on KZbin, you sir are a true pillar of the automotive industry, keep up the good work!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@swarajjoye
@swarajjoye 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Prof, thanks again for this amazing video. I wish toyota could develop more pure electric vehicles instead of hybrid. Thanks
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I do too!
@jerrettfeatherston7530
@jerrettfeatherston7530 3 жыл бұрын
Sr. Is the Prius prime a polymer lithium battery? Could not understand why there is no more than 80 degree tilt to module.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Me either, but that is what the service information states. Thanks for watching
@jacekcameron-rulkowski2859
@jacekcameron-rulkowski2859 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! We have a Prius Prime and appreciate knowing what is in the “black box!”
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MrJuliancarroll
@MrJuliancarroll 6 жыл бұрын
I love these videos. Thank you so much for putting them together. Out of interest, how much (approximately) do the standard Prius NiMH batteries weigh?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! About 150 lbs (68 kg)
@jackonthefarm5540
@jackonthefarm5540 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Just discovered your channel looks like all great content. I am a retired mechanical engineer that recently self educated to build an electric conversion car. As of this month I am able to drive my 1983 VW Rabbit convertible. I have 144 Li-Ion cells configured as 3P48S. Each cell is 72 Amp-hours. I have an Orion Battery Management system and 6.6 KW charger with CAN bus control. Interesting to see how Toyota does it. My battery weighs 575 pounds. (Had to buy custom made rear springs!)
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That sound pretty cool. Thanks for sharing
@andreaskainz217
@andreaskainz217 4 жыл бұрын
Dear professor! Thank you very much for your work and the time you put into the transfer of knowledge. I have seen several of your videos several times and am always learning. I hope to see them in the future when they report on new technologies.
@mbm797
@mbm797 4 жыл бұрын
Professor Kelly, what do you think is possible to install another of the same batteries in Prime? The goal is to increase the number of miles on electricity. What can be the problems when installing the second battery?
@Pedrop-vq3ys
@Pedrop-vq3ys 4 жыл бұрын
Uploading this videos you really help and encourage people to learn, specially technicians like me from countries where this kind of training and information is almost impossible to get. I love your videos professor. Thanks
@asliasif1
@asliasif1 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant, i just can't thank you enough for making that video sir. I am on my way to become a mechanic but one thing is for sure that i have not learnt any thing about hybrid in last 4 years but in few hours from your videos. I appreciate it so much. Thanks a lot sir
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@oswaldjh
@oswaldjh 6 жыл бұрын
The battery is a lot lighter than I thought. The entire battery only weighs about the same as two average passengers or one American.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
LOL, Thanks for your feedback!
@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs
@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs 6 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@Frank71
@Frank71 5 жыл бұрын
Hence the little plastic console on the Prime bsck seat.
@ladsongeddings100
@ladsongeddings100 6 жыл бұрын
Professor; After watching the complication and the time element, this is definitely depot repair work; No doubt the dealerships remove and replace the whole unit. I appreciate your detailed explanations and patience in producing this excellent video for those of us interested in the engineering of battery products.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You are probably correct
@jfbeam
@jfbeam 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, the dealers will remove and replace the entire unit. Unless it's damaged, there will be no power outside the casing. Once shipped back to a service center, they'll open it up and replace whatever needs to be repaired. (I was just looking to repurpose some, and toyota lists each subunit as an FRU.)
@stevedutcher3875
@stevedutcher3875 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on the Bolt Service Manual! I wish I would have asked you before I ordered one for my Chevy Volt, that service manual was $520.00.
@geojor
@geojor 6 жыл бұрын
you teach on a level that everyone can relate to, thank you ...
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@vitulbansal1719
@vitulbansal1719 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing !! absolutely amazing!! Please Sir dont stop making these videos.
@theinterfaithshepherd9075
@theinterfaithshepherd9075 5 жыл бұрын
Hi there! You are really knowledgeable about all this stuff. Thank you for making such great videos. I have watched several of your videos recently regarding the batteries and working with them. I have a suggestion for you... At the beginning of each video, I think it would be a great idea to say "this is how to discharge these batteries"...and demonstrate it. I may have missed that. I think it'd be a good addition because many people without knowledge of the dangers could be helped in that way. Great stuff!!! Best wishes to you! Pat
@ChargedUp
@ChargedUp 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video - so max charging amperage would be 30A I'm assuming? What would be max charging wattage on the Prius Prime?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! No, I think the Prius prime max charging rate is 3.3kW, so at 240V the current will be 13.75A
@IACaptainKen
@IACaptainKen 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video John. I just traded my 2012 Prius 2 for a 2018 Prius Prime last April. Just drove from Ames, Iowa to Minneapolis and back this past weekend. Made the round trip of 490 miles on 9.26 gallons of gas. Did not recharge the battery in Minneapolis so only took advantage of the electric mode only on the way there.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you and thank you for your feedback! It is a nice car.
@russellennis7428
@russellennis7428 6 жыл бұрын
1 generation Prius 46.7 going 60 to 70 it's amazing 177 thousand miles on car I am ready get prime when the price drops
@stevebollinger3463
@stevebollinger3463 6 жыл бұрын
The other two posters are right. Because all the cells are in series, the current is the same everywhere. So every cell, stack or the entire pack is rated at 25Ah. Think of it this way. Each of those stacks is 1.76kWh and the whole pack is 8.8kWh, right? So each stack has 1/5th the capacity in kWh of the entire pack. But each stack also has 1/5th the nominal voltage of the entire pack too. So to have 1/5th the kWh capacity as that of the pack each stack must have the same nominal Ah rating. The same is true of the individual cells too. Only if you have multiple cells in parallel like in the Chevy Bolt do you have varying Ah (or A) values within the pack.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
That makes perfect sense, I had that wrong. Thank you!
@mikel4879
@mikel4879 4 жыл бұрын
Steve B / Yes, you can have different amps ( current ) but the power remains the same ( parallel batteries = less voltage, more amps ; in series = more voltage, less amps ).
@jesse7870
@jesse7870 4 жыл бұрын
Please show us how to run 2002 pruis without battery
@romanjanke5923
@romanjanke5923 3 жыл бұрын
Hello! Those heaters are needed for cold weather conditions? What is the difference in comparison with 1-st generation on Prius Plug-in? Thank you!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew. I do not have access to the 1st gen version. Thanks for watching
@jamest.5001
@jamest.5001 4 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to swap this type batteries in a older Prius?
@swarajjoye
@swarajjoye 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Prof, what's your views on Tesla's batteries and their electric vehicles technology. Thanks
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 жыл бұрын
All Tesla models are high tech, but in my opinion, the model 3 is the most advanced inverter, motor, and battery technology available today. The inverter uses super efficient SiC IGBTs. This will allow much higher battery voltages than before. This will also mean greater range in the future.
@laohantun7404
@laohantun7404 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Prof......bless your heart......things that I wanna see now able to see through your teaching.....
@barryw9473
@barryw9473 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Did you verify cell manufacturer as Panasonic? What is composition of gas that could exit cells? Are the cells the VDA PHEV2 format? Are you sure lowest SoC is at 3.48 V? I would suspect much closer to 3.25 V? Can you explain why 3.48V? Thanks!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
I did not verify that, but I did see a Toyota press release announcing the partnership with Panasonic showing a prismatic battery cell that looked just like this one. The Lowest SOC in the vehicle was 3.48V on a Toyota scan tool before the ICE started and began charging them. Thanks for watching
@barryw9473
@barryw9473 3 жыл бұрын
@@WeberAuto thank you! It is a shame Toyota did not put 37 Ah or 50 Ah (already a few years old now) cells in this car. Instead it got 25 Ah cells that is tech from about 10 years ago.
@Trades46
@Trades46 6 жыл бұрын
Despite its small 8.8 kWh rating & less advanced design when compared to the Volt or Bolt, you have to be amazed how Toyota retains its conservative nature when it comes to battery thermal management in terms of cooling & heating to keep it at optimal temperatures. In that same respect, I almost want to shake my head at how cheap Nissan was that even the newer 2018+ Leaf 40 kWh does not even possess a fan to cool off its larger & more stressed battery pack. I just recently brought a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. The car is brilliant & I have been learning much through technical papers on forums. Are you interested in taking one apart and doing an analysis on that car anytime professor?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback. The Leaf is a huge disappointment. As for the Mitsubishi, I am interested, but it is unlikely I will ever have access to one. They are not a popular brand around here
@orfescuhoratiu
@orfescuhoratiu 6 жыл бұрын
kona ?
@Trades46
@Trades46 6 жыл бұрын
Not out in North America until next year. Only Korea & Norway has gotten the Kona EV for now.
@ClockworksOfGL
@ClockworksOfGL 6 жыл бұрын
“Cool Prius!” - Said nobody, ever. Thank you for the videos, Professor!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MaxSachs
@MaxSachs 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing detailed video and a real pleasure to watch thank you! Some years ago I had some 1st generation Sony Konion VCT1 cells for a high-powered ebike I made--196 cylindrical cells to be exact--and it had a nominal energy density of 19.1kg / kwh. 2007 - 2010 IIRC. I put it through hell and back and after about 400 cycles the custom pack finally dropped to about 90% of original capacity in roughly 2 years, still quite useful but voltage drop and range took a noticeable hit. If I had used actual spot welds and not solder iron and copper strapping it might have lasted longer :) This prius pack has nominal energy density calculated at 21.6 kg / kwh in prismatic form which is fairly impressive, yes it's years and years later but back then prismatic cells could barely scratch 25kg / kwh and you wouldn't dream of applying a warranty anywhere close to 8yrs 160000km. We only ever used prismatics for low power demand stationary banks because they sucked for anything else! Toyota and Ford have done something amazing here: high power density, high energy density AND long life! Could definitely see myself harvesting some of these cells for my son's e-ATV and not worrying about it.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback
@i_nahdi
@i_nahdi 6 жыл бұрын
Wow A detailed and clear explanation, thank you man, I wish teach us more about hybrid cars
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I have 50 Other hybrid and electric vehicle videos here kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3iwlIRsf7yfeNU
@77.88.
@77.88. 3 жыл бұрын
You might want to cross drill the end cap bolt heads and safety tie these bolts so that there is no chance of the bolts loosening, Just a guess?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion!
@theamazoner4075
@theamazoner4075 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting I'm supprissed they didn't use 18650 size batteries tho I suppose that would make modifications to easy haha. On an unrelated note what sort of emissions thing does the 4th gen Prius have. In the second gen Prius their is the coolant heat storage tank, on the third gen their is the EGR what does this generation of Prius have?
@mazda2284
@mazda2284 Жыл бұрын
if you discharge the cells first they don't expand as much and go together easier
@theamazoner4075
@theamazoner4075 4 жыл бұрын
Please get ur hands on a Subaru Crosstrek PHEV. I heard that it has motors from camary hybrid and battery cells from Prius Prime .
@MichaelLulchak
@MichaelLulchak 6 жыл бұрын
Damien McGuire pointed me to this channel. John's videos are GREAT info from a guy with hands-on experience!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@jm100368
@jm100368 5 жыл бұрын
its amazing that the tesla model 3 long range battery gives over 300 miles of range in a battery that only weighs 1100 lbs
@jerrettfeatherston7530
@jerrettfeatherston7530 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent teacher!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@detonationrotaryenginetest4024
@detonationrotaryenginetest4024 6 жыл бұрын
If there is a new stepless automatic transmission that goes beyond the existing one, it can be installed in the car. Is the car more perfect in the future?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
It always gets better with each generation
@detonationrotaryenginetest4024
@detonationrotaryenginetest4024 6 жыл бұрын
WeberAuto I think it is necessary to add advanced anti-skid cvt.
@ulyhappy
@ulyhappy 4 жыл бұрын
Those 'heat sink' separators you descibe as thermally conductive Nylon, are quite clearly marked >PP< (polypropylene)
@SeenOrHeard
@SeenOrHeard 6 жыл бұрын
Because all cells are wired in-series, *every* cell in the unit is rated at 25 Ah. Only if the stacks were in parallel, would you multiply Ah by stack count.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
The Prius Prime battery (all 95 cells) is rated at 25Ah and it's voltage is 351.5V, its kWh rating is 25Ah x 351.5V = 8787.5 Wh or 8.7875 kWh.
@nathansmith8003
@nathansmith8003 3 жыл бұрын
The prismatic cells need to be compressed or they become unsafe the prismatic cell is essentially a pouch cell rolled up in an aluminum case if the case is allowed to expand the laminated plates can bounce around in side the case the jumper straps on to the pouch to the buss bars can short to the aluminum case
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information
@nathansmith8003
@nathansmith8003 3 жыл бұрын
@@WeberAuto found that one out the hard way project truck lit on fire o er the weekend
@TumpaTalapatra
@TumpaTalapatra 6 жыл бұрын
Going to watch the whole video, love the detail narration, precisely explained.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 6 жыл бұрын
I can deadlift 270lbs but not something that massive. My 2005 battery is real easy to remove compared to this baby.
@compu85
@compu85 6 жыл бұрын
The battery heater puts me in mind of a heated seat - both in the power it draws, and the construction of the woven heating element.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Very true, thanks for your feedback!
@SkaBob
@SkaBob Жыл бұрын
These videos are great for the people who think EV and Hybrid batteries can't be repaired and must be junked and replaced. Failed modules and cells can be replaced by qualified techs or shops, I would expect businesses who specialize in battery repair to become common in the next 10 years. You wouldn't usually replace an engine for a burned valve or bad fuel injector but some people assume a battery is not repairable. More techs just need proper training on how to deal component repair in EV systems.
@qettyz
@qettyz 6 жыл бұрын
So when we see Toyota Mirai videos? Isnt that one of them tanks behind you at 10:43?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Probably never, there are no stations in our state. That is an old CNG tank
@austinhydroax
@austinhydroax 5 жыл бұрын
Another OUTSTANDING video. You really do a great job bringing me up to speed on the newer technology. thanks!
@Erik-sq2nw
@Erik-sq2nw 6 жыл бұрын
You are so awesome, thank you for making this highly informational video and sharing this knowledge!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@loading...7583
@loading...7583 4 жыл бұрын
another amazing video. Thank you so much for making these and educating the public sir!
@geraldito7777
@geraldito7777 3 жыл бұрын
The heaters pads most be a sensor to monior all batterys.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@psycho2soundz
@psycho2soundz 5 жыл бұрын
Hey John! Thanks for what you do. Do you know if the newer Prius uses the same cells? Have you dived into one?
@JohnClulow
@JohnClulow 3 жыл бұрын
I'd guess each heater section has a different wattage, accounting for the design differences, these wattages being chosen to obtain rough equivalence of heating rate with a given ambient. You allude to this. Regarding "safe" DC potentials, these are assuming some typical resistance for human skin, and this _can_ very substantially depending upon moisture and electrolyte levels. Regardless of regulations, always err on the side of caution since it only takes 100 mA across the heart to cause it to go into fibrillation. A cut in the skin can immediately drop resistance. A DC voltage under 50VDC could easily prove fatal if delivered below the skin and across the heart.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Good points, thanks for sharing
@beforebefore
@beforebefore 4 жыл бұрын
In the heaters, they don't use Copper wire, but Nichrome wire. Copper has too low of resistance, Nichrome is high resistance and is used for heating elements of all kinds.
@77.88.
@77.88. 3 жыл бұрын
If I can fully understand what you are saying and doing at 80 years old these younger fellows should really understand? I was a mechanic for much of my life going back to 1964 when I was privileged to work for an Italian in San Francisco on Pacific Ave. I have so much respect for Nemori Barbeari taking in this young fellow ME that knew very little about how cars worked! ?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@stevedutcher3875
@stevedutcher3875 6 жыл бұрын
Off subject, do you know where I can get a Service Manual for my wrecked 2017 Chevy Bolt EV, being that I want to take apart the whole Car??
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
www.helminc.com/helm/Result.asp?Style=helm&Mfg=GMC&Make=CHV&Model=BOLT&Year=2017&Category=1&Keyword=&Module=&selected_media= $200 for USB drive and $400 for paper manuals
@kens97sto171
@kens97sto171 6 жыл бұрын
Love the videos.. glad to see you back doing your great explanations of these cars. Does anyone else get the feeling this battery pack was an afterthought.. it seems the pack is constructed of extruded aluminum, and does not really mold itself into the car well. The previous gen priuses had stamped steel battery containers that were molded shapes... This one seems very square and just bolted into the car. Maybe it was the best they could do with the existing vehicle..
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I had the same initial thoughts. The more rigid construction could be for crashworthiness. The previous generation Prius batteries were is the safest part of the vehicle (between the two rear wheels). This model extends the battery into a rear crumple zone.
@busterwagner7886
@busterwagner7886 6 ай бұрын
These video's that you do are just amazing! I have no real need for them but I am very interested in how it all works. I bought a leaf and am going to buy a Prius prime and I just wanted to say how much I enjoy what you have done.
@kingsleymok4008
@kingsleymok4008 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Given some ideas to salvage those Lithium Ion batteries from the salvage yard and turn them into a giant powerwall for a complete backup power system for the home and office that will ride out the power outage for 3 days or more.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea. Thanks for watching,
@mycatisromeo
@mycatisromeo 4 ай бұрын
If a person were to replace their 2017 Prius Prime battery with used batteries, would they need to be programmed? Or are they plug and play?
@ElAnciano92071
@ElAnciano92071 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps off-topic, but I don''t know where else to pose the question. I was wondering when you think you will get your hands on a Gen V Prius Prime? ;)
@kv8734
@kv8734 Жыл бұрын
Can you charge the battery when it's removed from the car? It looks like the BMS is within the Hybrid battery pack
@paulsutton5896
@paulsutton5896 4 жыл бұрын
I don't like the idea that one battery stack is harmless, but connected to its fellows, it will be lethal. That is simply asking for a mistake to be made. But I enjoy these videos. Congratulations to Prof. Kelly.
@pashkamerica
@pashkamerica 5 ай бұрын
Waiting next video with 2023 prius Prime HV battery . Thanks
@paulpoco22
@paulpoco22 Жыл бұрын
I used to work in the Telco industry and we used negative 48Volts in all the copper wiring. The only time you felt something when ringing generator was on the copper pair, you would pull your hand or arm away.
@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs
@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks once again Professor. I thought each cell is 25amps,
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The Prius Prime battery is rated at 25Ah and it's voltage is 351.5V, so it's kWh rating is 25Ah x 351.5V = 8787.5 Wh or 8.7875 kWh.
@imho7250
@imho7250 6 жыл бұрын
WeberAuto, @10:26 you said the entire (1p95s) battery is 25ah. Then you said one stack (1p19s) is 5 ah. But as nice-Oscar mentioned, each cell is 25ah. Each cell would be 3.7v 25ah, each stack would be 70.3v 25ah, and the whole pack is 351.5v 25ah. I have know doubt this was just a brain fart that you didn’t catch during editing, because you know the only way a battery can flow 25 amps for an hour is if each parallel group (in this case, each cell since it’s 1p) can flow 25 amps for an hour. Thank you for all the hard work. This is hands down the most informative auto repair channel on KZbin.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
No, I was totally wrong (embarrassing). I should have known better. It is a good thing I get great feedback from viewers to catch my errors. Thank you both!
@natedavis5574
@natedavis5574 8 ай бұрын
Sir what are you using to label that tape like that and what type of tape is that
@tarassu
@tarassu 6 жыл бұрын
Looking at copper wire pattern, it definitely mimics heat loss pattern in cold weather (central part cools down much slower. Difference can be 3-8 degrees 5 hours after driving). Corners lose faster than outer stacks.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Good information. Thanks for your feedback!
@jacekkubiak4616
@jacekkubiak4616 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect voice for teaching easy to understand for my french poor level in English. Pleasant moving around the technical parts in a very clean workplace. Thank You for all your pleasant video around the Toyota electric hybrid vehicles.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@charlesseymour1482
@charlesseymour1482 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Well done video production. Quiet background and thankfully no mm music
@Martinsp16
@Martinsp16 6 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant, thank you professor!! I love your videos 😍
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@wcg66
@wcg66 3 жыл бұрын
So, it seems to me, the best you can do for DIY battery replacement on the Prime, is to get new or reconditioned packs rather than individual cells. Previous batteries were fairly straightforward for cell replacement. It shouldn’t be an issue for a decade but good to know now though. Great video.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@NewZealandPakeha
@NewZealandPakeha 2 жыл бұрын
Go for a dip in the ocean then grab those battery terminals 😂. Ouch Even 12v will grab ya
@mendelleisk4577
@mendelleisk4577 2 жыл бұрын
This is down to KZbin I think, but: how the heck do I simply/easily find the first video of this two-parter?
@蒋炜-h1y
@蒋炜-h1y 5 жыл бұрын
i thought lithium battery fully charged is 4.2v. toyota only charge it to 4.0 v ? so what is.the actual capacity is the battery. or, the chemical is different from others
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 жыл бұрын
Charging to 4.2V would shorten the battery life
@Fil0sOFF
@Fil0sOFF 10 ай бұрын
Hi! Is there a cell balancing system? Or just voltage control? Thanks.
@toyotatechMDT
@toyotatechMDT 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. Is that a hydrogen tank in the background? It’s not yellow so I’m guessing not a Mirai! H2 videos to come?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, no, it is an old CNG tank. H2 videos unlikely since there are no refueling stations in Utah. Have a great day
@Wrenching_with_Jake
@Wrenching_with_Jake 4 жыл бұрын
It looks like the battery heaters are design with 4 section and a required surface area to of copper wire to be woven in. The one to the far right got away over zealous. Poor quality control
@Maltanx
@Maltanx 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for posting such detailed videos. After seeing all your battery disassemble videos, i have one question: why there is so much difference in energy density with the batteries? This battery is just 8kwh, and the battery of the chevrolet bolt is 60 kwh, however it seems that the size of the chevrolet battery is no more than three times the size of this battery. I noticed that the lower the capacity of the battery, the bigger it gets in proportion to the capacity. I thought that since the electronic takes about the same space in all the batteries, the smallest ones would need much more space in proportion, however the difference still seems too big to explain it this way.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
The larger physical size of the battery cells, the higher it's capacity in Amp hours (Ah) will be. The more cells you wire in series with each other, the higher its voltage will become. The kWh rating is the product of both of those. For example, the Prius Prime battery is rated at 25Ah and it's voltage is 351.5V, so it's kWh rating is 25Ah x 351.5V = 8787.5 Wh or 8.7875 kWh. The Bolt EV battery is rated at 162.7Ah at 350.4V = 57,010 Wh or 57 kWh. I hope that helps.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Air cooling takes up more space on the Toyota battery verses the liquid cooling on the Bolt EV battery. The Bolt EV battery has very tight and compact electrical connections between battery modules verses the electrical harnesses that a Toyota is using. If you compare mass, the 25Ah Toyota battery modules at 186 lbs to the 161Ah Bolt EV battery modules at 800 lbs, the Bolt EV battery has much higher density.
@ClockworksOfGL
@ClockworksOfGL 6 жыл бұрын
Nax FM - Liquid cooled batteries (like on the Bolt) can be tightly packed together, compared to the Prius’s air cooled pack. It’s also possible (and I’m merely speculating here) that Toyota made a trade off energy density - at the chemical level - for better stability at extreme temperatures. IIRC, using more manganese in the cells makes them more tolerant of abuse, at the expense of physical density. The Bolt, Volt, and Tesla cars’ liquid thermal management systems allow them to keep the cells in a tight temperature range.
@SuperMarioDiagnostics
@SuperMarioDiagnostics 6 жыл бұрын
Back so soon, nice!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shahzadshahzad7439
@shahzadshahzad7439 Жыл бұрын
Sir my quistion is aqwa battry cell Volteg ah ech every cell what cell use bms sir i ambroken english
@frankjdm4636
@frankjdm4636 2 ай бұрын
Can this pack be taken apart and use the Cells for a Gen 2 prius
@orocomp
@orocomp 3 жыл бұрын
un video para el inversor del toyota hybrido highlander 2010 please
@MrDennis600
@MrDennis600 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you from germany
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@mohamedwalidmaschur9985
@mohamedwalidmaschur9985 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very very much
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
So nice of you
@gkasprow
@gkasprow 2 жыл бұрын
if you want to feel some current flowing at 70V, just make sure your hands are wet :)
@ИгорьТроцюк
@ИгорьТроцюк 2 жыл бұрын
Добрый день у меня крайслер пацифика гибрид ошибка подогреватель аккумулятора может у вас есть обзор такого автомобиля заранее благодарю
@2927usmc
@2927usmc 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed it, at what temp do the cooling fans turn on? I assume both turn on at the same time. Thx
@joshnabours9102
@joshnabours9102 3 жыл бұрын
Were you able to figure out what manufacturer and part number the individual lithium cells are?
@EngineMisfire
@EngineMisfire Жыл бұрын
Is the BMS capable of performing cell balancing?
@rollingrock5143
@rollingrock5143 3 жыл бұрын
Came here to see the battery and learn about it. Left inspired by the Professor's tenacity.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@วิชญ์ภาสจรสโรจน์กุล-ป7ศ
@วิชญ์ภาสจรสโรจน์กุล-ป7ศ Жыл бұрын
why you didn’t wearing protective gloves 1:09:08
@jamesfarnham1976
@jamesfarnham1976 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you again Professor! Great video as always. For many people it's like having your Mother In Law on board all the time. 😁
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
lol, Thank you!
@jamesthornton1867
@jamesthornton1867 6 жыл бұрын
do you think an adapter could be made electricity could be supplied to your house from your hybrid car
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 жыл бұрын
Some non-U.S.A. vehicles already have that power line connection option (Bolt EV, Leaf EV). I am not sure about the Prime having that option.
@greatogbuagu1370
@greatogbuagu1370 5 жыл бұрын
Sir, if I connect this batteries stacks in parallel, to give me 70.3 volts will the stock BMS still be balancing these cells?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 жыл бұрын
Good question. I doubt it.
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