2017 Nissan Titan Half-Ton: Everything Your Ever Wanted to Know

[@zakarylakota]

The first time i saw one of these..i fell in love its an awesome looking truck. its my dream truck for sure!

[@andresdominguez6173]

zakary lakota when you see these trucks in person they are really good looking 😍 very different from looking at them online

[@BIGJBIGEBIGC]

This guy actually knows how to sell a truck kudos to that Nissan guy

[@Triple259772]

Can I just say one thing? Thank you for filming in 60 fps.

[@ElusiveRIDE]

Love this truck. Dad owned silverado before now got this.. Likes it more .. Could not be happier :)

[@fifthcircle1]

I drove the XD (cummins) the other day. Very impressed overall. I will definitely drive the 1/2ton before I throw away 50 large on an f-150. Really bummed Toyota didn't update the Tundra for '17. :(

[@tritchie6272]

Am I the only one that find the hardcore brand worshipers annoying?I want them ALL to succeed enough to keep building. Now if I was buying I ain't sure which I would buy. Probably whichever one that gave me the best deal on one that would do what I wanted it to. Now if I won it or somebody else was buying I'd be willing to drive any of these trucks.

[@Dwealdric]

Agreed 100%. People tie too much of their self worth to their material possessions, so they have to defend them to the death, otherwise they feel slighted.

[@tritchie6272]

Dwealdric Interesting observation! To read some of these comments you would think everybody on youtube is some rich expert.

[@tritchie6272]

***** And to me even worse is the outright hatred leveled at other brands.Its like they want every brand but their favorite to fail. Thats not counting the racist idiots.

[@2233golf2]

Hey there...,you are absolutely right-no doubt.Why cant many not accept that others drive different trucks - or use different rifles - drink different coffee............these "hardcore brand worshipers" (by the way....great name...) are really anoying. Lately my neighbour called me out to show me his new Fiat(I hate Fiat...) But why would I spoil his fun? So I said : wow....great colour - and look at it-really easy access - and so forth.... Had he asked me for advise before buying this italian car...of course I would have told him about the bad things with Fiat.......but I would never do this when somebody already bought stuff that I dont like.... Take care.... Roger

[@djayt1215]

Exactly, I first break them down by Safety, American Content, and features. Then I get into the subjective aesthetics, driving feel, and overall comfort and ergonomics, finally the winner is whoever can get me the best deal.

[@brycebelton290]

That face lift that Nissan gave it looks great!!!

[@cidlopez]

I got a 2017 in July. Traded my platinum trundra for it. Both crew max cabs. There are things i love more than the tundra and things i miss about the tundra. I'll say this, it handles better in the snow than the tundra or any other half ton I've driven. I was shocked at how it handled off road snow so well.

[@jacobynoctis4825]

Cid Lopez lols thats ironic the Tundra handles worse in snow given the name Tundra. But id have to agree. Each truck has a pro and con

[@grantp5090]

Exhaust sounds real nice

[@matthewramirez4670]

I just love the v8s in these trucks

[@2233golf2]

Seems to me that this truck is a well thought-through vehicle.....nice little details-for the ones who really use this truck for work.... And to be honest....Nissan proved to be a reliable brand in the field of pick-up trucks...................not saying that there are also others too which earned a good reputation........ I for one wouldnt know.......the Tundra for sure also has what it takes to stand the daily fight of hard labour..... Anyhow - nice presentation - thank you for posting.

[@user-xx4vd1yr4m]

Finally! A vehicle that can hold all my cups!

[@MrThatoneguy689]

Just waiting for a 2017 Raptor video...

[@ChristopherWalkenActor]

Hopefully they put that lockable under-rear seat compartment and heated rear seats in the new frontier too (if they ever update it). Can't get heated rear seats in the tacoma or ridgeline so it would be a good feature to have.

[@jjcooter]

I owned a 2009 titan loved it I drive a tundra now it’s a little heavier truck but both trucks handle 9000 behind the bed no problem I’m do for a new truck and may try the new titan

[@jlen82]

16 cup holders for 5 passengers..... . makes sense.

[@justinp8946]

More beer holders

[@TFLnow]

Actually, the two rear cup holders are inside the center arm rest, so you can seat four people to have 16 cup holders. That is 4 cup holders per person.

[@AkioWasRight]

Believe it or not, people who are very active with their trucks will use them all. I'm always sticking water bottles in mine, and my truck has no less than a dozen.

[@WilliamStewart1]

+emdec55 Sounds like an easy way to clutter and make a mess of your truck. A case of water under the rear seat is all I need.

[@AkioWasRight]

William Stewart Why would I crawl under my rear seat while I'm driving? Also, my truck is well used when I'm using it, but it gets cleared out at the end of the day when I'm done working. Really, I'm absolutely meticulous with it. I use it for it's intended for, but I never leave it a mess, even when I don't have other people in it.

[@hart1118]

Can't wait to learn the mpg and base price

[@Kcducttaper1]

Nissan can never seem to hit the same numbers that "the big 3" can. That being said, it's not always about numbers and I think the 9,300 pound towing is more than enough for most 1/2 ton owners. Looks like it might be interesting depending on price and mpg.

[@soloryderrr]

Seems like more of a niche truck.. My old man has a 2014 titan coming from a 2013 dodge ram and he loves his titan even though it has less HP. Just seems different to him then the big 3

[@Dwealdric]

Payload beats the 1500 by a couple hundred lbs... but is about 300 lbs off Chevy and Ford.

[@victorcreed8856]

That's because the big 3 have been in the game forever and have established loyal followings. Nissan and Toyota are new to the full size game, and it's a tough market to crack into. But sales numbers don't equal quality. Ford could build a truck out of cardboard and duct tape, and Ford guys will still buy them in heaps.

[@cpufreak101]

agreed on what you said for quality, to be 100% honest, i'd bet money the Toyota Tundra has the highest build quality of all the trucks available, look up the 1 million mile 2007 Tundra, you'll see what i mean

[@linh811]

most people use these big ass truck as single passenger commuters ...

[@sir2gooo]

That truck just looks badass

[@backcountryadventure1813]

U guys are my favorite reviewers

[@montero825]

I don't know, I love TFL.... but this review wasn't the best. If you don't want to feature the truck, then why bother with it at all? Read this a few times before you get upset, then actually consider what I'm saying. This Titan isn't getting a fair shake, but it will from Alex on Autos, his reviews are "miles" ahead of these. Thank God for Andre, he does a great job, very insightful and never stops asking relevant questions, and actually seems happy to be there.

[@oscarcortez87]

I see this truck doing well.

[@JamesBuschell]

Can we get a new Frontier please?

[@ianmcnair5060]

I have a 2011 Nissan Titan and I love it, but I think Nissan needs to stick with one truck, either the 1/2 ton or the 5/8 ton.

[@michaelmartin4111]

Everything you ever wanted to know... Except for MPG and Price. Hope you didn't actually want to know that.

[@danjohnson2289]

sounds nice best exhaust note

[@PeteSinHouston]

Nissan makes a good truck. I don't understand the "pig-nose" ford 150 inspired front end however, the old model Titan did not suffer for exterior design. An interior refresh would have been sufficient (and much needed). I'm guessing the reason Nathan seemed not to pleased to review this one is "cannot give driving impression" restriction - probably Nissan's rule for supplying vehicle for review - just a guess

[@Bomag]

Great truck, but holy shit the quality of this video is so nice. So smooth

[@bradbrown947]

I love the f150 tail lights

[@izegrimcreations]

"Everything you ever wanted to know"...."We can't talk about impressions, just basics". o_O

[@jonathansalome6061]

waibelr

[@koko4kosh960]

So when will embargo be lifted so you can give your impressions.

[@xxxxtripxxxxOSG]

The engine in these new ones disappoint me. One of the things that I liked about the older ones like mine is that it made its peak torque at a much lower RPM, much lower than any other truck on the market. For most uses that is much better. This new engine may make ~80HP more, but it makes the same peak torque as the old engine because its power range is much higher than the old engine.

[@xxxxtripxxxxOSG]

Also, the towing rating is not any different than the older model Titans. Not really an issue as this is the half-ton same as the old. But this one offers no reason for me to update anytime soon.

[@matmuffin1]

remember these are Nissan numbers

[@Kmecha84]

I drove a new Titan pro 4x last night and was actually impressed with the torque off the line compared to my 2016 f150 5.0 with 373 gears that I have to rev to the moon for it to make power

[@francoisdewaal2644]

In South Africa a truck with this payload is VERY small (1.4l engine). A 1T truck is smaller than this Titan. Why are US truck payloads so low? Is it for ride comfort?

[@francoisdewaal2644]

The towing capacities are much lower though. A 1T can tow 7700 lbs max

[@splewy]

It has to do with the rear axles they use. All "half ton" American pickup trucks use semi-floating rear axles, which realistically can only be expected to handle 1500-2000lbs of payload due to the limitations of their design. "3/4 ton" American pickups are essentially the same in terms of exterior dimensions as "1/2 ton" pickups but they use much stronger full floating rear axles, which doubles their max payload to around 4000lbs. Step up to a "1-ton" dialysis pickup and the payload capacity increases to around 7,000lbs.

[@genefortney9133]

Very nice truck!

[@boss123400]

Forgot to show the stereo/nav system?

[@weekendwarrior8179]

I think Nathan needs a vacation. just seems tired and out of it.

[@djayt1215]

i think he was trying to be careful of his wording, Had to be perfect or Nissan would nix the video

[@Kevincheesepizza]

Nathan is wasted.

[@rfd339]

@@Kevincheesepizza I actually agree, I noticed it in other videos.

[@ericmoran6269]

it has a steering column gear selector wow I thought the silverado only had that

[@xiebaiqin]

very nice sound

[@RhinoXpress]

you guys need to work on the cabin mic volume setting more i can barely hear nathen when you are in a cabin

[@toni_7571]

so that's what the clip under the seats were for, groceries? lol my 15 sierra has that I was curious about that

[@leezep9794]

The new Nssan Titan looks impressive, better than the ford f150, toyota tundra.

[@Matts000]

Haha that was a joke right?

[@johng4527]

They all look nice to me. Far too many of you people worry about looks way too much.

[@cpufreak101]

tell a European car enthusiast that, i did, i can tell you the result will be an argument you'll never forget

[@mertz313]

Well, it's kinda sad when people don't see the beauty and superiority of Euro cars, so we have to make it clear

[@cpufreak101]

Heartagram because when was the last time Europe made a 6 liter supercharged V8?

[@j_thom]

"Everything you ever wanted to know". . . except the mileage and how much this sucker costs.

[@jasonlarsen3515]

Why is the payload so low???

[@mdnghtwlf]

They have vastly improved the truck, but it appears to be competing with the big three from 2 years ago.

[@Matts000]

+James Wisrik reliability ! Lol so I guess you have owned a ford , Chevy and a ram and had bad luck with all of them eh? Any truck could have issues,

[@mdnghtwlf]

+James Wisrik I have owned Nissan, Chevy, Ford, and Dodge (Haven't owned "Ram"). I haven't had reliability issues with any of them. In fact my wife has an Armada now that she loves. My comment wasn't speaking to reliability. I was speaking to the specs and features. The only innovative feature I've heard of on the new Titan is the trailer light check. It just seems that Nissan hasn't brought real innovation to this model. It seems that Nissan has waited too long to update the Titan and still feels like they are playing catch up instead of finding ways to "lead the pack".

[@Matts000]

+James Wisrik haha I am on my second f150, and I love them, over the last 6 years I have not had 1 issue with either of them, I would still have my 2011 f150 but I got hit by a drunk driver. My 2014 I have hauls my camper(30ft tow behind) all over Eastern Canada. Could it be your sour about F150s because that Titan looks just like my 2014? Lol

[@88tcoupe]

I agree with you. Not a bad truck but already behind the others. Gotta love some of these cry baby fan boys on here lol.

[@Matts000]

+James Wisrik I will , until they give me a reason to stop. Do you have a new taco? TRD Pro?

[@michaelmatchee]

i get 9.8l per 100km. paid 42,000 Canadian for a 2017, with 13000km. i as looking at a gmc, not a denali, but they wanted 42,000 for a 2015 model with 67000km...glad i went with the nissan, so much more truck than my old trucks i bought. a 2012 chevy silverado, then a 2014 gmc sirera both nice but old n boring. , then a dodge sport hemi in 2015 junk motor went within first year with the sand in the motor. had a mazdaspeed, now that was a fast smooth car, now out of production, 100,000km n no problems. jeep wrangler in 2015, same sand in the motor as dodge replaced at 100,000km. done with junk, wife also just traded her cummings 2500 dodge, good milage, for a nissan murano, nice quality and ride.

[@Password450]

how long is the bed?

[@Bandit93gt]

Is it true that the engine and the truck is built by dodge / Chrysler? Is it basically a rebadged Ram?

[@MidSouthUTV]

Ok I give... was there a spy from Ford spying on Nissan or Nissan spying on Ford. If you look beyond the exterior of the Titan & Titan XD looking like a Ford - Ram mix, but look at the interior. Like the moving center console cup holders in the Titan vs the sliding cup holder 2 - 4 in the 2017 Super Duty. The lockable rear bench seat for storage, the folding under seat storage for access to a flat floor, and both have center console cup holders for the rear seat in the exact same spot. If KZbin would let me post comparison pictures I would.

[@Matts000]

Your not kidding , that Titan looks a lot like my 2014 F150 from the outside.

[@Big-Rig-Energy]

I mean you put leds in the bed why not just finish it out with leds for the tailgate lights. Not a bad looking truck

[@jamiebudamlanbert172]

Wikipedia promote Mercedes Benz E200 CGI turbo intercooler all 4 l/100km. But it is 20-100 l/100km, over 100 l/100km in E200 CGI turbo intercooler. End report. From E200 CGI turbo intercooler database

[@daltonhill5110]

What was the average mpg?

[@mertz313]

I'd still buy an f-150 due to it's superior aluminum body.. No rusting is a big selling point for someone like me in Michigan

[@VanisonZore]

Heartagram true But the new f150s don't look that good

[@jasonwhite4980]

Heartagram Speaking from experience, the aluminum isn't strong and scratches very easily. Once the paint is broken you can pull the rest of it off in strips as long as the body panel.

[@MiguelPerez-nk2wu]

F150 is the most hated yet most bought. How does that make sense? It's all I see in tfl's comment section

[@chadsteele1]

I've been waiting for the half ton for wayyyy too long. woot woot BUT! Are Tow mirrors an option?

[@MegaAvilaa]

Hell, anything beats these new fords nowadays. Nissan has always made really reliable trucks but from my experience, they are thirsty engines. The mpg on them is terrible, along with the tundra. But then again, if you want a badass truck, youre gunna have to pay for a lot of gas/diesel

[@coryclark2894]

My life is complete, a truck that allows you to hang storage folders

[@Inspector694]

I love how people compare hp numbers. Hp and tq numbers don't mean s*** i bet you this thing will beat or dam near be even in a race against hemi, 5.3vortec and 5.0 coyote. Its all about how the gearings setup is in the transmission and rear diff.

[@simjet22]

Fords 3.5 ecoboost v6 will destroy this truck

[@genefortney9133]

Very nice

[@chickenfarm09]

How can it have less drag coefficient than the previous model? The new truck is blocky and bulkier than the old model. I bet this thing sucks the gas. The older one does, and this new model doesn't have cylinder deactivations like GM or Ram.

[@chickenfarm09]

***** I've never had that issue, or known anyone that did with GM or Ram. You're the first person I've ever heard mention that.

[@thedominicanway9682]

good lookin truck.

[@ImByrid]

Is it a Nissan? It is? Okay that's everything I needed to know

[@DanielSparten]

That was weak, like your love and skills on Call of duty. Oh wait Call of duty? Is that Cod on your channel. Oooooo BF1 boi

[@cpufreak101]

i know where you're coming from. there were Talks with Ram to basically make the Next titan a Rebadged Ram truck, however that deal fell out. however with Cummins being it's own independent company, they still offered to provide an engine. and yes, due to the deal falling out, the Titan is 100% designed by Nissan. if it was designed in Japan or the US tho, who knows :P

[@adamg1180]

+Justin Noker The 2017 Titan was designed and engineered in the U.S.

[@adamg1180]

+Justin Noker By a team of Nissan Designers and Engineers

[@ajl9491]

haul a "bag of decoys" whats that mean?

[@jag67stang]

Duck hunting decoys I presume.

[@Streetglidescotty70]

hookers?

[@ajl9491]

Scott Winslow thai?

[@Streetglidescotty70]

Possibly. Lol

[@EduardoHernandez-ml2oh]

It looks like a f150 from the back and looks like a tundra from the front and somewhat like the ram,

[@toya1914]

Looks like they took a ram 1500 and a f 150 and said there you go, we built an all new Nissan enjoy.

[@daltonhill5110]

9300 ibs! That thing better have better mpg than the 5.3 chevy

[@TrollingSince1991]

big trucks are not made for mpg, these weight over 2 ton, it takes power to move 2 tons so expect around 13-16 combine mpg depending on driving conditions and habits

[@daltonhill5110]

Hemi Power Thank you!

[@evaristocorripio5434]

Yeahh haha my dad has the 5.3 l chevy 2016 and it looks awesome and perform amazing! It can tow up tp 11,100 pounds and it has rhe smallest v8 in a truck aside from the ford

[@mhtl48]

Those tow numbers that some manufacturers claim is magic dust! Hahaha, come on man be real! Please take the time and read what the truck will really need in order to tow that weight regularly. Any 1/2 ton with the Max tow package will be cumbersome to drive as a daily driver period! Might as well get the Titan XD or any other 3/4 ton!

[@WilliamStewart1]

+mhtl48 How is it more cumbersome to drive? Because it has an 8 speed with a 3.42 final instead of a 3.08? Because it has slightly stiffer rears? They turn the same, drive almost the exact same, get the same fuel economy numbers....how is it more cumbersome?

[@jacobhaugk5908]

I like the bumper step. however if that if that is the Pro-4x then I see some off roading taking that piece of plastic right off

[@gleekthageek]

It's a butter face decent looking but the grill front end combo...

[@boss123400]

So you're saying it's got a hot body though. 😜😂

[@zachf355]

How hard is it to have moonroof on these trucks! Damnit!

[@4-LOW]

Last I checked, they were selling about 980 of these a month. Lol. Maybe they'll break a thousand with the addition of this half-ton model. Ford and GM are selling what, 30,000 or more per month?

[@fifthcircle1]

So, you wanna have a truck no one else has? ;)

[@splewy]

That was with a truck that had been on sale for 10 years with no major updates. The previous gen Titan actually was a really good truck when it was new. It was arguably best in class from 04-07.

[@WilliamStewart1]

+splewy Yet it still never sold well at all and was always extremely behind in sales, even it's first year.

[@splewy]

William Stewart True, and that was due to Nissan underestimating two things: 1. The power of brand perception. Nissan lacked both the "all-American" appeal of the big three, as well as the reputation for rock solid reliability that led to Toyota's cult following. 2. The power of fleet sales. While the big V8, crew/extended cab, 140" wheelbase, well equipped trucks were by far the most popular configuration among private consumers, they were not at all what fleet buyers wanted. A large portion of the Big Three's truck sales are to fleets, and the money from those sales is what allows those manufacturers to constantly keep making critical updates to their trucks.

[@WilliamStewart1]

splewy The truck world is the biggest vehicle segment in the world regarding money and profits, it also has the highest r&d by a landslide. I don't think Nissan had the spare cash to go balls deep so to speak which is needed to get into the truck world. You need to bring out the best product and you need to pump a ton of money into brand imagery, not to mention the marketing.

[@blueeverlast9678]

Looking for a truck, but the titan design is funky and I just can't get past that. Don't want a Ford (overrated and over expensive) and I drive a GMC Sierra z71. Leaning towards a tundra. 🤔

[@ThatOneVideo1]

Why does it look sorta like a f150?

[@Inspector694]

What do you guys expect? these v8's are pretty much maxed out, these manufactures squeezed as much horsepower out of these things as they can "reliably". Its time for them to integrate electric motors. Then watch these things out pull diesels.

[@switawivr6]

Bonus points for actually saying 'CHSML', lol

[@ajl9491]

16 cup holders,but i only buy beer in 12 packs

[@creigmacc]

Everything I want to know but driving impressions? TFLT needs to consult a dictionary.

[@Shane23Armada]

you said half ton? sounds light

[@connerbutler1077]

Is Nissan brining the new frontier from Central America? It has the same look at the Titan but smaller.

[@shawnyoung2105]

because the main selling point on a pick up is grocery bag clips.

[@pietvm7784]

So this TRUCK is NOT an Aluminium CAN ill take one thank you

[@flynnstephen]

the headlights look just like the f150

[@crazyfroggie6546]

16 cupholders for 5 people.....NOT ENOUGH, people, i will need at least 38 inside the cab plus another 60 in the bed, 20 in the tailgate, 10 in each bumper, 16 in the hood, 10 on the roof. Sarcasm aside, seriously, thats 3 cupholders per person and one left over, who needs 3 cup holders per person in a car?? Fit 5 cupholders, and get some proper cubby storage for Ipods and phones and tablets etc.

[@MrTaliz]

The 500lb people that buy these kinds of trucks drink a lot of BIG GULPs...

[@vanvelasco3717]

They really need this enormous truck for their mall shopping and McRonald.

[@fifthcircle1]

Funny, but I fill all my cupholders on trips, with the kids. Extra bottles of water always come in handy. ;) For the record, I'm not 500#. LOL!!!!!!

[@crazyfroggie6546]

Good for you. My Fiesta has one cupholder. I can add cup holders by having more passengers. :)

[@LLZ392]

When is the warrior coming out if they build it?

[@_Sphaxz_]

my half ton silverado from 2000 has a towing capacity if 8900 pounds. Good job nissan by beating that is 2016

[@Tware8100]

I'm a huge fan of Nissan trucks. They are just eight years old and well over a hundred thousand miles before I can afford one.

[@BuzzzdLightyear]

God I want one.

[@quadrunner2124]

Huh, my old frontier is rated dang near the max payload of this full size pickup...Was that number for the Pro 4x, or for the 2wd model? Gotta be for the Pro-4X

[@bms8685d]

The center console looks like chevy's(gm)

[@alex-kq6ug]

nissan steping up better than totoyota

[@jamiebudamlanbert172]

Petrol engines 1-4 turbo intercooler all : 20-100 l/100km, over 100 l/100km. Database From AE social all, all brands database End report.

[@BillDozer316]

The sad thing is, the performance on this BRAND NEW truck was already beat 6 years ago. How are you going to come out with essentially an entirely new engine and STILL have the LOWEST numbers in the segment? Come on now, are you trying to compete or not? Thank god all those fucking cup holders were added though.

[@eliseolozano1654]

Hahahah

[@exzeroex]

Damn, if they could put some of those useful features like step, and rear of the crew cab seats and lockers in a Frontier, I think I might want a Frontier more than a Tacoma.

[@chovanjamal7957]

It's so much better than the last generation

[@ChloeDunIT]

Man that is a good lookin truck, but only 9K for towing?? Very disappointing.

[@TrollingSince1991]

back in the the 90s 9k was in the 3/4, 1 ton pickups so for the titan to do 9k with a suspencion that doesn't break your neck on speed bumps I would say it's more than expected from a 1/2 ton

[@tmanthekid4396]

+TrollingSince1991 Lots of 90s 3/4 tons around me tow up to 20k lbs with upgrades for farms. I wouldn't trust the Titan for that

[@splewy]

If you wanna tow more, the XD is rated for 12,300.

[@ChloeDunIT]

+TrollingSince1991 For Nissan taking so long to develop this truck I was expecting much more.

[@ChloeDunIT]

+splewy I was hoping the XD would tow in the 14-15K range

[@Bellflowerbell]

Typo in title, Everything *You* ever wanted to know. Just trying to be nice.

[@ericmoran6269]

that's weak torque for a 5.6 litre v8 really the chevy 5.3 litre has 383 lb-ft of torque it only 11 lb-ft of torque more then a 5.3

[@45snakebite]

Nissan lost me. Why did they go to a shift on the column?

[@simjet22]

Ask Nissan when they are gonna offer a sunroof and power folding mirrors on their trucks...................

[@geraldthomas218]

I thought torque was 401.

[@kyjoe9]

kill off the xd and put the cummins in the half ton

[@gjolinares23]

you aren't very bright, are you?

[@kyjoe9]

+Gerardo Linares I work for fords Kentucky truck plant. I know a lot more than you

[@gjolinares23]

+kyjoe9 about pushing buttons and moving sheet metal?

[@joshs6405]

+kyjoe9 You're gonna be losing your job soon thanks to Obama

[@Bru946]

They both are half tons lol the xd is literally like 1ft longer than the regular titan. The only difference is the drive train and bed length.

[@zclary923]

I just can't get over the front end, it just looks fugly to me. Honestly the market for 1/2 ton trucks right now is flooded with great offerings from each company. Performance differences are negligible at best. Cosmetically speaking though, I think the 2017 Titan is the ugliest of all of the 1/2 offerings.