2017 Subaru STI Unequal Length VS Killer B Equal Length Header Comparison | Revs, Flybys + MORE!

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[@wenypz7072]

I'm sold. Killer B ELH for me also. Still the hint of the rumble which we all love. I would also do it firstly for reliability and minimising heat and stress on the motor. With the added throttle response you noticed, I'm sold! Been waiting all week for your video. Thanks so much and the planning involved! Much appreciated 👍

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Glad I was able to help in your decision! You’re making the right move.

[@bryce850]

UEL headers is by far the best soundings on ejs for sure, having heard equals in person wide open it's just not the same imo. But when going for big power sacrifices will made, that's why I am keeping mine lower because I love the rumble so much.

[@ericn7698]

Off topic, but I like the cinematography, pace, and presentation style of your videos. None of that overly loud, fake enthusiasm, camera-pointed-in-face vlogging nonsense that a lot of other automotive KZbinrs espouse. That's precisely why I'm subscribed to your channel, and watch and like every video. Please don't ever feel that you have to change to appeal to the masses. Keep up the great content. I'm looking forward to hearing what difference the resonated mid-pipe makes. Cheers from halfway across the globe.

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Thanks for the support! I always prefer looking at the cars than the person behind/in front of the camera. I will always continue to do me. That will never change! I appreciate the kind words. Cheers!

[@CurtGodwin]

I definitely prefer the UEL. I just upgraded to the Invidia Q300 on my STi - I prefer the deeper rumble over stock... and, to me, the rumble is better than music.

[@jptothetree]

That Q300 sounds just awesome on an STI! Not too loud and a lovely exhaust note 😍

[@Clinophobe]

I was in the same position when I did my header upgrade to my 08 sti. Originally I bought a set of aftermarket UEL headers, but my tuner convinced me to change it to EL. Honestly, the UEL of course sounds cooler, but you could really feel the difference in power with EL. You can feel the car not struggle as much. EL all the way!

[@footballfan7894]

Its amazing with the uppipe upgrade as well!! Killer b headers all the way!

[@6stringplayer13]

Man the sound with UEL is so agrresive and mentak. You are making me miss my 2017 STi hopefully can get one again in the future! More power to you 🤙🏼

[@willgeez]

Really appreciate all the time and effort for this comparison. The EL sound incredible, it's definitely something I'll look into doing. Can't get enough content of your Subie!

[@hunterrokenbrodt198]

Man, I can only hope my STI will sound this good one day! Congrats man such amazing progress with this car over the last couple of years!

[@tomaz2312]

UEL hands down. Yeah equal is more efficient but I can sacrifice a little reliabity for sound. There are still tons of other mods to keep that engine running safe and happy!

[@kendallharvey9483]

This sounds great, you can still hear that classic rumble. I’m convinced

[@CoBigCJ]

Bro...best sound comparison video ever. Thank. You.

[@MiguelSevilla]

UEL wins hands down IMO as far as sound porn. The new setup is decent though, but too rattle can sounding for my tastes. Nice comparison vid though. 🤌🏽

[@tonyregalado7281]

Yeah man, some EL headers/muffler combinations can sound a bit too rattle can-ish. It's much easier to get a nice sounding UEL setup versus the EL.

[@findmeifyoucan]

Agreed.. this was the video that really made me decide to stick with my stock UEL headers. Waaaay too rattle can sounding for EL.

[@lilmixdboy]

The rattle can have something to do with his downpipe choice but I'm. It sure

[@jaatwonconley]

Going to be honest, UEL will always be my particular sound! But man that EL sounds so good when you downshift! Its perfect!

[@paulmarsdensr1095]

Brother your car sounds amazing with both types of exhaust. I would say the first one sounds better than the second. A great video. Stay safe man. Subies forever guys and gals. 😀

[@ehesh1499]

I think people who haven’t heard elh’s in person prefer the opposite, but it sounds amazing. Don’t miss the uel at all after doing the same setup, but with awe touring. Don’t miss it one bit

[@hyugon6859]

Lots of people say the rumble is gone but in reality its more toned and deepened sounds more rich and mature like an actual race car.

[@trvpluiss]

i have a 2020 STi but hearing this, actually makes me want to go EL , sounds great 🔥

[@donAKAthedonjp]

Man... please don't get rid of this car...

[@nthgth]

Awesome comparison video. Those EL headers definitely sound better than I expected! I thought it would sound like every other boring ol' 4cyl out there but there's still some rumble (somehow).

[@Accensioni]

WOAH! I did not expect the ELH to sound like that. wooow

[@ChaceMan7]

The ELH with your current exhaust sounds aggressive but also death by exhaust drone.

[@TrainmanSky]

First time for me to say equal length those headers sound insane

[@irvingsanchez5699]

UEL is what makes a Sti an Sti 💪🏼

[@ulimoreno70]

It's such a hard decision on what I would want to do with my STI after this video! Thank you for the comparison my friend and keep it up! 👍🏼

[@tonyregalado7281]

Both sound great, but it really depends on the EL headers your choose because some sound meh. A good set of EL headers on the ej has a different sound to it versus other 4 cylinders IMO... Still has that deeper subaru tone. Personally, I think the UEL sounds "cooler" but it also sounds inefficient, because it is. The EL sounds more aggressive and refined. My recommendation, if you're going for big power, spool and want your engine to run as good(safe) as possible, EL all day. I do love that Subaru UEL rumble, though.

[@BarbWaltersMusic]

I don't think people know how good the equal length actually sounds until you either drive it or hear it in person. ps, it's Ultimateone from Nasioc :)

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Agree, Jeff! One of those things you need to witness in person. Video can only do so much.

[@jamesross4593]

They both sound great to me, I'd be happy with either but the power gains from EL tip me towards them over the UEL.

[@micahgunnell]

Very cool, thanks for sharing these! I have a Tomei Ti Expreme which I love, but I'm worried I'll have to get rid of it once I go DP and EL header...It's already pretty loud as it is. Glad to hear you were able to get a resonator for your exhaust...Post sounds clips when you put it on!

[@Scoobyfreak86]

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[@micahgunnell]

@@Scoobyfreak86 Ah, that sucks! Will be curious to hear how the Cobb Ti sounds with the EL header...I have a feeling it will be very quiet. I heard it in a video with a guy who had aftermarket UEL headers and a catless DP and it still wasn’t very loud. It is a good option though I think, due to the quality and lightness.

[@kyblckwd246]

Ngl I'll personally always prefer the uel headers but they still sound crazy with el. Sick video man

[@MidFlightMarauder]

Not bad. It sounds more refined but the most important thing is the added reliability of the ELH

[@Mrhiddendeath]

Hands down the best video comparing EL to UEL!! You really have me learning towards throwing my EL on and giving it a shot

[@Scoobyfreak86]

You will be surprised how much better in sounds in person than my video shows.

[@pw85___]

Aftermarket UEL's make a big difference as well. Definitely a deeper bark than OEM. But EL + twin scroll is the most efficient overall. Many people overlook that. But the true twin scroll EL manifolds are 💰💰💰💰💰 and usually come in a kit.

[@TheSwampDonkey]

Good audio comparison between the two. They sound so different from each other. The equal length sounds a bit more raspy and loud. Both sound really good but I do like that deeper unequal length sound. Just a personal preference. Too bad my WRX has equal length. lol Again, great vid.

[@xil3ntkha0s]

There are UEL WRX headers now. Just gotta spend that bread if you want the sound lol

[@FromPlsNerf]

do you get more pops and crackles from EL? I have a 2017 STI with UEL...cobb sf intake and ebcs, invidia catless downpipe and r400 exhaust, aem fuel pump, etc...I love the way the exhaust sounds. almost identical to yours UEL. But I get almost no pops and crackles on rev matching downshifts. Is it something you were tuned for, or is it just natural with that setup?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Just natural with my setup. I got a lot of gurgles and pops on downshifts.

[@stephencarbajal5657]

That wheel set up is spot on👌 i miss my STI. Did Subaru ever fix the EJ issues asking for a friend

[@Scoobyfreak86]

In the type ra and the 2019+, they upgraded some internals and parts to be more durable.

[@stephencarbajal5657]

@@Scoobyfreak86 nice yea I thought I read they finally did.

[@elderscrolls6096]

You need to remap the engine after changing headers, just to keep in mind. UEL is the sound porn so many crave for. I would stay UEL, regardless any downsides it has.

[@mengdynasty6034]

Almost like an Evo, I will be looking to go ELH as well!

[@BigBootySeeker2]

Damn I'm impressed, usually el would make it much higher pitch but that sounds wonderful

[@fang4524]

Aftermarket Performance UEL Headers are definitely louder, better sounding, and have better Hp/Tq compared to factor.

[@daniramirez6043]

So simple and clean no unnecessary $h!t love it🔥🔥

[@jeremys1805]

Wow! Hearing your car makes me want to go EL👌🏻🤙🏻

[@woodyscrappyopenings5707]

I'm sorry I just can't 😭 this takes away the iconic rumble, definitely keeping UEL on mine

[@robsti669]

Great comparison video. I forgot what an UEL sti sounded like.

[@Bixnoodle]

What a clean STI dude. Nice smoked windows instead of some cartoonish limo tint, no tacky rain guards or mud flaps, beautiful metallic wheels with excellent fitment, and I love the color of the calipers. I've been thinking of repainting mine a similar color, the neon green just doesn't do it for me. keeping these cars subtle is such an unappreciated approach.

[@Scoobyfreak86]

I appreciate it! I’m more about the simplicity and accentuating the lines that are already there. Just improved upon to my own personal taste.

[@marcoguzman7934]

whats subtle about an sti? 🤨

[@Sdubz]

Im curious does switching to elh solve the problem with cyl 4 or is it still smart to have the cooling mod? Curious if thats a header problem or just a coolant problem bc of the ej design?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Both. Cyl 4 doesn’t get enough cooling to begin with so the mod is definitely worthwhile. The stock uel headers produce a ton of heat on that 2 and 4 side of the motor and causes 4 to wear prematurely. I’d advise to do both if you want to keep the motor happy and healthy.

[@TheE3R]

I bought the Killer B MAX VE, the update on that one is a bigher secondary runner, 2.5" ill be installing this with ETS Rotated kit and a PTE6062 Turbo, im curious how is going to perform, killer b representative told me based on their data this..."If you're going to stick at or

[@WRXMAN-ms2mm]

I am biased as a DIT FA WRX man. I will not lie though I enjoy the ULH rumble but not at the cost of longevity. I Iove the sound of my exhaust and ELH set up and this ELH EJ set up more or less duplicates it. Welcome to the ELH alumni 👨‍🎓 . It has a select and small group of EJ members but all converts are welcomed 🤣 with open arms 💪💪. Our motto “ Be rumble free and enjoy 😊 increased power, longevity and reliability with your turbocharged boxer H4 seriously“ 👍

[@bradleybarnes4284]

Elh sounds so aggressive, plus that subtle turbo whistle is nice. Cleaner power band for sure and those factory uelh look pathetic.

[@JDM4LlFE]

I love the EL headers - rally car sound is on point! Personally I would go quieter exhaust to get rid of the rasp but still sounds great

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Agree! Make sure you watch towards the end of the video. Taking care of the rasp!

[@peeposadboy]

Was looking for a WRB STI, but yours is making me reconsider. 😬

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Let me know if you have any questions. Mines for sale 👍🏻

[@alexmotors4172]

I went with the iag EL but overall my stock turbo spools faster and make a lot of difference in the power band, but of course i miss the rumble sound 🥺

[@Accensioni]

but Chris, if I get an aftermarket UEL header and also get the cylinder 4 cooling mod, would my engine be fine? or it may develop problems down the line?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Always recommend the cyl 4 cooling mod either way

[@Accensioni]

@@Scoobyfreak86 thank you so much for always replying Chris. I appreciate it a ton

[@TehAnalog]

UEL all the way. Literally the only reason I liked my Subaru. Without it just sounds like every other 4 banger

[@islandboypopo]

I have STI with Killer B headers/Q300 catback. The UEL headers will always sound more gooder and deeper signature subie rumble. However, the performance benefits of the EL headers wins for me. Great comparison ! To me , the car is far more enjoyable with the EL headers

[@newguynasti2008]

Another awesome video. Love your car still but don't like the sound personally. Has more of a Evo sound now than STI. Not getting those headers for sure.

[@xil3ntkha0s]

That color flicker is 👌.. and ELH doesn’t sound too bad in the video. Would have to hear it in person but if it’s more efficient and you like it then who cares?

[@josephperez9195]

I love the pops on the down shifts 😩

[@Jose.D.P.]

I love those headlights, where can I get them for my 2017 sti? And what modifications were done to the wiring for the turn signal and removing the driving light in inner section? Also, the DRLs stay on with the wiring modification as well?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

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[@kaydenehrhardt8062]

It all depends on your exhaust, I have equal lengths on my 06 wrx daily but a quieter setup and it sounds like butter

[@ProNinjaBoy88]

Very nice! I was just wondering if I were to go ELH, would I still need to use the cylinder 4 cooling mod? And if I stayed UEL, will the cylinder 4 cooling mod make the engine reliable or will it still be not as reliable in the long term?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

I definitely suggest the cyl 4 cooling mod either way.

[@WRXMAN-ms2mm]

When an engine has a history and a fix exists that improves reliability the fix is in definitely. Peace of mind is priceless to me.

[@claytondye6046]

That was the best 15 mins and 30 seconds ever

[@Thundercracker67]

Love the videos! I just got a 2021 STI base model. I don’t want to void my warranty so I’m just going to do just exhaust/headers. I’m liking the opinion on the ELH. What would be a good combo in your opinion to keep it loud w/o rasp and drone, but still really loud and beefy! I like the Delta Motor Works and AWE. The Tomei seems like its a bit too raspy? But I haven’t heard it in person.

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Take a look at this video. The awe setup is my favorite kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6jHaZ-GfZKMmNE

[@xxraverxxonxtacy]

I prefer the EL headers for Race Car but I'm nostalgic to the UEL for Subies in general. If I still had my sti I'd go with EL headers with Greddy Evo gt Exhaust cuz the sound combo would be just Right not too loud not too quiet imho.

[@C_Suarez]

Can you just buy these headers, tune it and call it a day with the stock down pipe? I wonder if it’s possible to increase the power significantly with out an aftermarket down pipe or am I just being silly and should definitely get the dp as well? I’m looking at the best bank for your buck point of view. Would appreciate your feedback.

[@Scoobyfreak86]

You could, but you should upgrade the dp as well. If you are spending the money for a pro tune and headers, it’s beneficial to do the dp pipe at the same time.

[@C_Suarez]

@@Scoobyfreak86 thanks man! How much whp would you think a dp + killer b and tune yield? No other mods.

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Lots of factors come into play so there’s no set number.

[@speed2k5]

Rumble is kinda still there .. I can’t wait for my AWE to arrive. Are you planning to install the mid pipe yourself? Also, do you have a video for the f1 light?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Yes I just installed the midpipe tonight. I don’t have an install video on that. One of the first things I did when I got the car. Wasn’t really making videos yet.

[@peterretep1010]

damn legend. An STi and a telluride. Meanwhile, i had a '17 STi, sold it for my ASCENT.

[@Kevin-ce6ds]

Should let me stop by to hear it in person. I’m probably near by in Jersey 👀

[@Scoobyfreak86]

You can hear it on 8/21 at my meet and greet!

[@scawtsibis6872]

What are you running for lighting? is is just the diode dynamics c lights? and what for the tails as well?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

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[@Lowfatryebread522]

Lapis Pearl Blue here from ocean county also with ELH …I’ll see you on the GSP homie

[@subie-ja8083]

Looks like an STi Sounds like a FA WRX I don’t hate it 🤙🏼

[@shreddingforsmiles1126]

What wheels are you running?? They look awesome! Also coil overs. I’m trying to get a better stance

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Wedssport tc105x and fortune auto

[@UGAfan12132]

I'm strongly considering going EL on my 11 wrx

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Highly recommend it. It’s worth it!

[@TimsTilted]

Would you recommend the cylinder 4 cooling mod if you have equal length headers or is it not needed?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

I would still do it yes

[@PittiesAndMore]

Nice video but UEL > ELH as far as sound IMO.

[@jeffwebber5473]

I’ve always preferred UEL headers. If I ever go high horse power I will go with EL headers

[@floZone007]

Great video with awesome info. I appreciate it!

[@Kadosti]

That dump noise at 1:41… is that the Cobb bypass valve?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

No that’s from the intake

[@TommyLGarage]

Unequal hands down

[@ultrashady5229]

Uel is for sure a more subaru sound. But el sounds cool to. Kinda has more of that rally rasp.

[@Rebecca-713]

Unrelated but love your fitment. Are those fortune auto?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

The coilovers? Yes.

[@Rebecca-713]

@@Scoobyfreak86 any particular model of the fortune auto coilovers? 500 series?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

500’s for the street. 510’s if you intend on tracking.

[@pw85___]

The rumble is still there it's just extremely high pitched

[@Metalozedex]

is that a raceseng shift knob, if yes, how do you like it with the kartboy shortshifter? thanks for the video you did great now if only everyone filmed like this

[@Scoobyfreak86]

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[@Jabbazuki]

Can you still hear the induction noises after these upgrades? headers+downpipe?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Induction and turbo noises are wayyyy more audible than before.

[@Jabbazuki]

@@Scoobyfreak86 man you've inspired me so much! I can't wait to do this with my car!!

[@Ryan-719]

One is clearly better than the other ;) I wonder what aftermarket un equals sound like… bit better flow than the OEMs, but sameish sound

[@jesseg1758]

My 2018 comes stock with equal length. No rumble 😢

[@lnol11689]

Did they tell you why they stopped fabricating exhausts? I really don't wanna go buy another exhaust unless it's a Delta one

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Unfortunately, covid effected their business. They started to make small parts again, but not sure if they will start making exhausts again.

[@lnol11689]

@@Scoobyfreak86 that and the fact that people rather buy the big name brands, honestly I wish people knew more about them, Im from the PNW and here every one is running ETS, Cobb, Nameless, I always tried to tell people about Delta but they were skeptic about them idk why if everywhere I went they liked my axle backs and asked about them and I would tell them it's a small company and they build according to what gets ordered also they're hand crafted unlike the many other companies.

[@emelianenkov]

I’m at the point with my build that EL is almost required to get my performance where I want it… but I just can’t get rid of the rumble 🥺

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Is not for everyone, but I have to say, I have 0 regrets. It sounds fantastic after finding the right exhaust to pair with it.

[@rockonmyfriend]

They both sound good

[@abba9415]

is the turbo whistle cause of the ELH ? or can you still get that with UEH ?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Mainly from the Downpipe

[@elnino7822]

Nice video. Just found your channel. Car looks sick. What's the name of the rims you have?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

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[@FAM571]

Are you able to still use the OEM under tray with the killer bee EL headers?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Yes, it fits no problem.

[@johnpost9868]

I would say uel even tho I'm on el also . But besides that I follow your page because your car is sooooooo clean I love it . Only thing I would do is rain guards . Do you still like the idoing radio ? Ps even your motor shines lol

[@Scoobyfreak86]

I’m not a big fan of the rain guard look. Yes still love the idoing.

[@goranc5757]

Hey man sound better with the elh. Do you need to update the fueling with just a downpipe and a tune but no intake. Cheers

[@Scoobyfreak86]

You can get away with just the Downpipe snd tune. Once you add the intake, injectors won’t be able to keep up.

[@goranc5757]

Cheers

[@staylobois8801]

Is there any way to reliably run UEL headers? Any sort of mod or heat shield to help with heating issues?

[@Scoobyfreak86]

Yes you can for sure. The cylinder 4 cooling mod helps but can only do so much. If you are focused on reliability, going to EL is the way to go.

[@staylobois8801]

@@Scoobyfreak86 ok thanks dude

[@xBPxHolistic]

Don’t get me wrong I love the sound the UEL but ELH cause performance and just overall better for the car.

[@therealguido987]

Man i want my 19 Sti to sound like that once i go stage 3

[@wilmerescobar7274]

I Can Still Hear The Rumble, It’s Just More Higher Pitch And A But Smoother So It’s Harder To Hear It.

[@Accensioni]

what a cool dad. your girls are gonna be car gals

[@nathanly2878]

what wheel and rim set up are you using? Looks so slick!

[@Scoobyfreak86]

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[@justinrogers1807]

I just want an STI nice car... and I just happened to stumble upon your channel so Algorithm is working for you