2018 Ford Expedition 3.5L Ecoboost Phaser Job Rattle on Start Up - Let's identify the bad Phaser

[@powderriver2424]

I recently had my phasers done. I watch your videos I’m the kind of guy who admires your integrity as a person and mechanic. I always wonder when my vehicle is being worked on wether a guy similar to yourself would be working on my stuff. That feeling I always have was the job done correctly is always looming in the back of my brain.

[@FordBossMe]

I do what I do because I care, not every mechanic is going to care as much. The last few years have done a number on people and really made lots stop caring

[@tommarlow9404]

Thank you for the informative video. Your videos prove that you care about the customer and the type of finished work you put out there. As a fellow technician, I appreciate you sir.

[@MyFriendPeter-d4k]

Your patience and motivation to continue working on this junk amazes me.

[@FordBossMe]

It's all junk

[@garycarpenter2932]

@@FordBossMe you know as well as i, everything is over engineered, and why. forced regulation. cafe, some good, mostly not. dependability issues ensued. big time at that. sure, my 01 siverado, at 250k has never had to have gotten into. ever. and i tell you, it's worked a hard life for 20+ years. seriously, what year cars/truck do you tech's drive?

[@MyFriendPeter-d4k]

@@garycarpenter2932 I drive a 2003 F150 5.4 2V with 310k....a 2005 Ford Excursion 6.8 V10 2V with 255K...my wife drives a 2007 mercury milan 3.0 with 120k on it. This is the 2nd milan we got after putting over 300k on the first.

[@MyFriendPeter-d4k]

@@garycarpenter2932 most techs I know drive late 90's - early 2000's vehicles......seems to be the best era for most makes.

[@garycarpenter2932]

@@MyFriendPeter-d4k thinking up to 07 or 10. are still pretty reliable. after that? well, not so much. ford, gm, whatever. they're all just tech nightmares anymore. i got my 01 5 years ago. and know 100% the engine and trans is still factory. before that? my 88 gmc pickup drove just over 30 years, minor stuff in repairs. but dependable as all get out, which is still on the road today btw. i still see it driving around town still. i really worked the hell out of that one. i was a carpenter, remodeling contractor. so yeah, i worked my shit hard. well, semi retired now, and make jewelry boxes and stuff nowadays, out of logs, so my 'new?' 01' still gets a healthy workout. this new stuff? just doesn't last. sure there's some with the mileage, but that can't last the test of time. hoses, breaks, sensors, computers et al:, it's gov. demands on mileage, and what not that happened to dependability.

[@robertbarnes2419]

Good thats awesome that your care about your work and wont let a problem good causing a problem down the line for the customer! Got 2013 f150 with the 3.5 eco boost where it failed and the small change on drivers side broke because of that problem!

[@robertbarnes2419]

Question why cant they put a new gen 3.5l ecoboost in my truck?

[@kendavis1198]

Why is it that you are so darned GOOD at what you do Rich??? (WHY)?? Because you care about Customers and COMEBACKS, and you have PRIDE in what you do. There should be Requirement's that this Kind of Work is Standard Procedure!!!! Thank you Rich, for being so Honest to your Customers. ONE DAY, Somebody at Ford will see just what is Takes to be #1...... GREAT VIDEO, Nice Job! Well Done!!!

[@FordBossMe]

Tyvm

[@anthonypinnix2802]

Thanks for all your knowledge, I really appreciate your videos.

[@ecaparts]

It’s sad to see Ford is still having phaser issues. Are the new phasers aftermarket or a superseded ‘improved’ OEM design?? The new ones don’t have the spring visible…

[@LukesJukes]

Supposed to be enclosed to help retain the oil if I’m not mistaken

[@FordBossMe]

Newest updated design 17 - 20 3.5L ecoboost truck platform issue it's nothing new

[@vitopannucci2001]

@@FordBossMe Was talking with a friend today that got a current gen Expedition last month, and he said someone cracked open one of the new phasers (not the same one that went into the customer vehicle) and it looks significantly improved (also costs 3x more) than the previous versions. Hope he's right, can't put it off my 1st gen 3.5 much longer.. haven't put many miles on it since

[@jamesfournier6114]

It must be hard doing the Job you do with having Parts Availability Issues, Ends up costing you more time on a job trying to get the parts you need to complete them and in some cases being able to start a job due to no parts.

[@jimmyp6443]

Yet another of fords brilliant ideas .

[@mr.commander3947]

HOW come no yellow mark on the timing chain??/ and there is a darker mark on the chain indicate to intake,, yellow mark point to the exhaust???

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Be blessed golden beard

[@FordBossMe]

Good Morning Reeeco

[@michaelchan8915]

These Gen II phasers are something else. I've got a set to do, waiting for me when I get back from my vacation..... along with my 2004 Mustang GT complete engine reseal.

[@4wdiesels]

I hope the dealership that you work for takes good care of you because you should really be an independent shop with your experience and work ethic. I know some folks don't want the hassle of being self employed especially nowadays with the current environment not favoring small businesses but I think would absolutely kill it! Lots of people would love to have you work on their vehicles.

[@FordBossMe]

A4wd is and should only be used when road conditions are questionable It makes 0 sense to run it all the time even just going by the descriptions given

[@jayseven9966]

Had ours done on a 2018 a month ago. Doing it again.

[@JoseJimenez-ym1id]

Great video very informative. I have this issue with my 2018 ford raptor. I would like to know if there is a warranty extension for this concern. I just have 42k miles on it.

[@hav2win]

I appreciate you sharing with us what you are seeing, but a mounted camera or one on a gimbal could better deal with shaking and would enhance your video quality a great deal. In addition, either pausing for a moment or slowing down, would help with the overly quick panning from one point to another. Thanks.

[@FordBossMe]

Don't complain about nothing free that you're getting

[@FordBossMe]

People that complain here they get removed from the channel I'm not dealing with it this is not Burger King you don't get it your way you get what I give you and just be happy with it somebody else is not doing it you got to get it somewhere right

[@jamesphillips9272]

At 3:15, you said everything is lined up and locked down. Will this work the same in a 2017 5.0 f150? As long as the timing marks are all lined up?

[@troublemakingpups5787]

Seems like you get alot of those to repair. A friend just did his then the new tensioner failed and it jumped time. He used all new components. I will suggest he double checks the phasers. 🙂🐶

[@maxpaul11]

yup junk

[@bobimbordino3024]

Arooooo!

[@troublemakingpups5787]

@@bobimbordino3024 Aroooo! 🐶

[@brentkhack6404]

My 2017 3.5EB F-150 has had the cam phasers changed out twice so far.

[@maxpaul11]

2018 having issues is sad! I have had a 1999 taurus that would outlast that pos!

[@FordBossMe]

This is nothing new, I've been putting this out awhile, 17 - 20 Gen 2 3.5l ecoboost truck platform

[@maxpaul11]

@@FordBossMe so your saying that this not running off the t chain? if so that would be great! A step onto fair repair to the consumer.

[@TXCherokee]

Is there any logic why it’s always driver side cam phaser?

[@FordBossMe]

Oil supply possibly

[@Nakkilauta]

@@FordBossMe High pressure fuel pump runs off that cam, right? If so, maybe that causes extra stress on the pin which eventually ends up failing?

[@mr_big_pea_pea4013]

My oldest boy & 2 others were installing a Driveshaft on a Transit and somehow the Driveshaft fell on his head and down his shoulder and passed out for a few seconds. Still having headaches after a week later.

[@FordBossMe]

Doctor?

[@mr_big_pea_pea4013]

@@FordBossMe yes, workman’s comp.

[@SarahOwenRichter]

We missed the CSP window to have the cam phaser replacement done under warranty (didn't have it reprogrammed because we weren't having the issue). Is it stupid to not pay out of pocket to have them replaced?

[@FordBossMe]

I mean long-term Ford says it doesn't cause any damage but I think it should be replaced so if you're going to keep the vehicle for a long time just pay to have it done

[@SarahOwenRichter]

@@FordBossMe That's the way we were leaning. Thanks for the response. Definitely kicking ourselves for not having the stupid thing reprogrammed. Lesson learned.

[@Spector_NS5_RD]

Did the Expedition get the Gen 2 3.5 Ecoboost? I know my 18 Transit didn't but i'm actually kinda happy it didn't. Gave Ford time to sort out some* problems.

[@FordBossMe]

Yes

[@allhoursmaintenance3022]

Good stuff brother, keep the info coming.

[@DanielLopez-dg8xd]

Hey Rich im currently tackling this job and turns out both the intake and exhaust phasers on bank one wont lock and the intake phaser on bank 2 wont lock either. So i have the timing marks set just like in this video both at the crank and cam but my cam locking tool wont fit in between the cams any suggestions as to what to do now to lock the cams in place

[@tyrellyazzie26]

How'd you deal with the plastic wire guard on the very bottom of the timing cover?

[@FordBossMe]

If you're talking about the little holder that holds the variable oil pump connector I cleaned up the area where it mounts with brake clean and I siliconed it in place and let it dry so when I put the front cover back together it wouldn't fall out

[@thomasdaum1927]

Congratulations on 55 K Boss !……

[@FordBossMe]

Tyvm

[@2491kridge]

Was this being replaced because of a noise or was there an engine light on? Even though I see this is a very common issue that you show all the time, our shop never has ford phaser issues come into the shop

[@zombieblaster5754]

more often then not it comes in for a noise. it will be a rattle at cold startup

[@FordBossMe]

Noise

[@Sayitlikeitis1234]

Question for you rich because I don’t know. Would my escape have cam phasers? 2021 1.5 dragon eco boost. Never heard of them and slowly going thru your videos on them trying to learn about them. Sorry for a stupid question probably lol. Thank you

[@FordBossMe]

Yes it does but different style and yours is a 3 cylinder

[@Sayitlikeitis1234]

@@FordBossMe thanks Rich

[@jeremyanthony9300]

I think Ford Tech Makuloco has a video on this?

[@FordBossMe]

Not this one, I have Many but he has the 5.4 3v phasers ending in 2010

[@diytacoma5758]

What's average cost to do change all new phaser to three new ones and to do the tensioners

[@FordBossMe]

Prob around 2400 - 3000 depending on the shop

[@RaptorX1978]

If noise is happened and not replaced the phaser… Will the engine fail?

[@t.freeman7769]

Have a question about the Phaser job...Had it performed at dealer on my 2018 f150, about two weeks later suddenly the AC starts blowng hot, next morning works fine, and the two days at the dealer "couldn't reproduce Issue" or something to that wording on the work order. Pick it up and the ac is working, later that day, blowing hot air again, and has for 1 day, hopefully it will still be that way so I can bring to the dealer as it's occurring. My question... is the AC refrigerant drained during the full Cam Phaser job , is it highly possible the issue is related? Sounds to me on startup remotely I hear the compressor start then shut off. I'm having a hard time believing this issue isn't related to the dismantle of the front of the engine....any advice on what I can urge to be checked?

[@FordBossMe]

Ac is not drained only belt removed from compressor

[@t.freeman7769]

@@FordBossMe thanks for the info. Just one of those things, started working again after not working all day yesterday. Going to think about changing the pressure sensor possibly

[@stevelamby7658]

I’m so sick of my 17 f150 3.5 being in the shop…. I love the power of the truck but it doesn’t do me any good when its always down. Problem is, 5.0 has its own issues. Are there any reliable trucks anymore? Just the tundra? What NEWish truck would a mechanic buy?

[@FordBossMe]

The 5.0 prior to 2018 was super reliable and after 2020 and also the 2.7 L EcoBoost has been reliable across the board

[@stevelamby7658]

@@FordBossMe Thanks!

[@JohnDoe-rc4ug]

I have this 2018 Ford Expedition with the eco boost v6 so with this complication can you just drive it like this because I have. The noise goes away after the oil circ ulates.

[@FordBossMe]

Ford says you can

[@erikrivera8276]

How to fix spark plug knocking on a 2019 f150 5.0 4wd

[@FordBossMe]

Go to a higher octane fuel

[@huntergibson1282]

Do you install a new timing chain when you replace the cam phasers or install the old timing chain?

[@FordBossMe]

And when you do the cam phaser replacement the manufacturer is not paying for the chains ..... only the phasers and the rest of the stuff

[@FordBossMe]

So you give the customer the option to pay for the chain while you're there

[@huntergibson1282]

Okay. They said they would do it and pay for it. On my invoice it says nothing about timing chains. If they wouldn’t pay for it I would have payed for it while they are in there and have it open. Cheaper to buy just a chain than chain and labor

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

Always interesting content

[@eo8513]

Did Ford make any improvements for these issues in the 2022 Transits w the 3.5 EcoBoost?

[@FordBossMe]

So the transit's really never had this problem because they didn't go to the generation to ecoboost engine they held on to the generation one longer with that being said they do have timing chain issues up around 120,000 miles so if you're trying to compare the transits to the EcoBoost F-150s and Expeditions they are not comparable

[@FordBossMe]

Plus asking questions about the current vehicle for the current year we're not going to really be able to give you much advice on because it's brand new

[@abdiasr482]

How much is a job like that cost my 2019 is doing the same

[@FordBossMe]

About 3 Grand 3500 bucks

[@abdiasr482]

@@FordBossMe thank you

[@bobimbordino3024]

Seeing your skills always fascinates me. Is this something I need to look out for on my Lincoln? Thank you for sharing.

[@maxpaul11]

skills! It's our job to fix this junk bro! Sadly people have no choice to own such garbage!

[@FordBossMe]

MAX chill, I can speak for me brother

[@gregoriomedellin4197]

So I should put a catch can on my driver side also? Please let me know I just put a rebuild motor on my f150 3.5 ecoboost and i have a catch can on the other side.?

[@FordBossMe]

Some people run too there's no nothing wrong with it but you just have to be careful you could set a po4db code for crankcase pressure if you don't have a real good setup

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Love your channel Rich. Is this a warranty job?

[@FordBossMe]

Yes warranty

[@MikeSmith-hx5xw]

Would this apply to a 19 F150 5.0? Horrible start up noise with 50psi cold start.

[@FordBossMe]

No they don't have the same setup but similar diagnosis yes you would have to get a stethoscope and listen to the front of the valve covers while somebody starts it up cold start for you

[@zombieblaster5754]

why do you think the driver intake fails the most?

[@FordBossMe]

I'm not sure, oil supply issue maybe

[@mikekokomomike]

At least this is in a truck and not a transverse mounted 3.5 in a car where it's much harder to deal with

[@FordBossMe]

We do those too no problem

[@agoodneighborautorepair2176]

👋Sir very nice video

[@haystack17]

How is this not a recall. Mine failed shortly after their bulletin expiration and ford is acting like they're doing a favor covering 40%. How on earth can a known failure point across the board on these 3.5l engines have an expiration date just because it doesn't fail within their timelines. Grew up on ford and been driving them myself for 20 years. But the way they're handling this is the worst brand experience I've ever had. I'm ready to move on to any other brand.

[@wespotter6985]

There was an article in this weekend's Wall Street Journal talking about the poor quality of Ford products it is now come to the attention of Jim Farley CEO that something needs to be done because they're bleeding big money in the shop repairing vehicles that are not old. They should talk to the text and have the engineers come out and look at what their engineering because they're not getting the job done. It has nothing to do with the assembly process and everything to do with the dumb ideas that the engineers have used for a long time now.

[@FordBossMe]

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[@maxpaul11]

i understand why we are using this system, just child's play for Automotive use! This type of system belongs on the lawn mower pull rope! lol

[@maxpaul11]

And Ford Boss knows that new Ford's are absolutely garbage! You will never ever get what you pay for new vehicles today! without spending mucho bucks to keep alive! Sadly!

[@kad3e3]

Take care of the vehicle, and it shouldn’t be an issue.

[@maxpaul11]

@@kad3e3 good luck with that new vehicle! please get back to me with a report after 5 years! lol

[@FordBossMe]

Let's stop with the trash talk though, I've been asking people to stop It's a privilege I am able to put out these videos please don't ruin it for me

[@maxpaul11]

@@FordBossMe trash talk, I'm sorry, but aren't all the new vehicles just not worth every penny anymore? REALLY? TELL ME SO BRO! SPARSELY! GIVE ME FACTS THAT IT WILL GO 400 K! NOPE!

[@maxpaul11]

Bet not one made it 150k without timing chain or rattle issues or water pump problems! absolutely trash designed! Sadly! I will never buy a newer Ford plastic product today. like bua bmw! Ford euro junk!

[@toomanybikes]

Getting car sick with camera moving around 😝

[@FordBossMe]

I'm raw and minimally edited here, it's jot for everyone

[@maxpaul11]

yupers today's vehicles are crazy on entering! I don't see them lasting as for reliability no! Sadly! why they are doing this is to pocket money! I will stay far away from anything 2017 and on! so afraid to even purchase nowadays! I have been working in this field for almost 27 years and can't believe the materials used in to make an engine run! I came from if you take care of it it will last! today we got bits of plastic and spring steal that goes bad over time! what the heck is going on folks! stop buying these junkers ! we need manufacturers to get back to the basics of reliability!

[@JohnS-il1dr]

Manufacturers are focusing resources on EV development and production now and phasing out ICE unfortunately

[@gregambrose2566]

This is why I bought a 2022 Toyota 4runner. Not changed much since 2010. Only sacrifice is not the best gas mileage, around 20 mpg but great reliability. Rumors have it that a redesign is coming and people are getting the current version before they go to the new design, 4 cylinder, turbos direct injection, etc.

[@maxpaul11]

@@JohnS-il1dr no they are not! totally bull shit! I will never buy a golf cart! Could you imagine what insurance costs would be! Your house catches fire because your pos ev goes uo! no thanks! Hahhaha

[@maxpaul11]

my home owners insurance would go up like a rocket if I buy such thing! just Junk

[@maxpaul11]

@@gregambrose2566 good luck with that turbo junk! you will be lucky if you get 60k trouble free! no joke brother!

[@maxpaul11]

that water pump running on this is so erelivent! Come on we can do better than this Ford! lol.

[@wayneessar7489]

What is erelivent? Please translate that for me as English is not my first language.

[@maxpaul11]

@@wayneessar7489 water pump running off tinmg chain is the most stupid thing ever! yup! absolutely dumb! yup! I will say it again! terrible design! yup! so stupid! Just like allowed the new Ford transit! Bokt that sieze to remove cros members! yup you want me to keep going! I'm a veteran in this field! These engineers are getting worse than ever to service today's vehicles!

[@maxpaul11]

@@wayneessar7489 let me tell you that you will never ever see a new ford last like my old 99 taurus 3.0 with 750 plus k on original engine! 1 transmission at 470k

[@maxpaul11]

new ford us becoming like BMW junk sadly

[@maxpaul11]

@@wayneessar7489 as I'm concerned ford has turned into urpeon cheap quality! gives you bells and whistles inside but crap every where else! All manufacturers are doing this! Walmart vehicles!