2018 Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross S-AWC vs Outlander AWC - 4x4 test on rollers - part 2

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Part 2 - tests on three rollers:
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross 1.5 Turbo CVT Super All Wheel Control
vs
Mitsubishi Outlander 2.0 CVT All Wheel Control
Part 1: • 2018 Mitsubishi Eclips...
#duszaniespokojna #mitsubishioutlander #mitsubishieclipsecross

[@shattered115]

I have a 2014 Outlander GT V6 and it is a beast in snow. I can drive through 8 inches of snow with no issue. I never shovel it out even in 10 plus inches of snow. I just clear it off and let the car muscle itself out. I back it uphill in lock in 10 inches of snow to clear its own path. Now rollers are rollers, and ice will cause issues for any vehicle, but overall my Outie is a true snow machine.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Outlander GT V6 has front active diff: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4u3qGSir8SWbLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJWci2V-bNSCZ68 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZKwl6GGmapkZ6M

[@kmckenzie2461]

I love my Eclipse Cross SEL Touring With S-AWC. Very good system and handles inclement weather very well. It has done amazing in snow and ice.

[@georgeschannel9411]

I have taken the same model outlander (except 2.4) on the beach all day without problems. Just set to lock, air tyres down to 15psi and disable esp.

[@KosukeR40219]

ありがとう、良い四駆テストだと思う。 ３スリップは、フルタイム４WDとって課題❗ ディフロック出来る、４WDでも長時間は持たない。その為、制御が効いてると考えます。

[@justicecenter]

In the US Outlander SE, SEL, and GT have S-AWC. Outlander ES has the base AWC.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

justicecenter Is it the same kind of S-AWC in these models or different?

[@justicecenter]

The AWD system is the same you either have the AWC (ES model) or S-AWC in the Outlander. The Eclipse Cross has only the more advanced S-AWC in USA.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

justicecenter I don't get it. SE, SEL, GT have S-AWC with active front diff. ES hase base AWC. Eclipse Cross has S-AWC, which is technically the same as base AWC, but with additional brake-torque-vectoring feature. Correct?

[@justicecenter]

Yes you are correct. Although the Eclipse Cross system is labeled S-AWC it is not the same as the Outlander S-AWC which has the active front diff. My bad.

[@justicecenter]

Sorry @Gerard Ferry I am not aware of a video that shows that difference.

[@valdius85]

Have any of you guys drove it on the snow and bad road? How is the S-AWD works in real life scenario - mostly does it engage fast or waiting is required? Also how do you find noise in the cabin and overall quality? These are good price in Japan, my wife likes the way it looks, so it is on the list :)

[@user-tu2eq9qv6h]

Можно прошить outlander прошивкой от eclipse cross и получить sawc на outlander )

[@ЕвгенийЖмак-ж7н]

Очень наглядно и понятно

[@alexandru20i]

Can you test the outlander phev?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+alexandru20i I will try to find this version.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

alexandru20i PHEV already tested, video coming in a few days!

[@cosync]

can i make a suggestion, you should also be testing the capablity of the on demand system, wihtout trying to test the brake traction controll at the same time. so to do this, you would need to try some tests with 2 rollers on front wheels only. basically this would show how well the electromagnetic or hydraulic or mechanical couplings work to push the fronts off their rollers. Of course for RWD biased systems, you would put the rollers on the rear instead.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@cosync kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6S1h3SfmZyAeNU

[@thebeast9606]

If you have one available, test a Generation 3 (2003-2006) Mitsubishi Montero Limited with Super-Select II and Mitsubishi All Terrain Technology. I own a 2005 Montero and it does exceptionally well off road, but would love to see a roller or diagonal test to compare old and new technologies.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Unfortunately it will be hard to find this car...

[@David-mw5sd]

Why isn't the car sending the power to the wheel that's not under the rollers? I don't understand.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It is, in all cases. Only during the last test of Outlander there was not enough brake intervention on rear axle, but that doesn't mean much.

[@gery4870]

If you have the chance, could you try the Oultander PHEV ??

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Gerard Aliaga Navarro I am trying to find this car for a test, but there's not much of them...

[@gery4870]

Thanks for the answer, I'm sure you will find out someone ;)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Gerard Aliaga Navarro PHEV already tested, video coming in a few days!

[@gery4870]

Really ? Thank you so much !!!! Great work !!

[@LocoMe4u]

@@gery4870 worse than AWC lol

[@subazealand9158]

Interesting test, and how ESP works, as I'd understand ESP will apply the brakes to the wheel that are spinning to send power to the other ones, but in the Ecplise the test failed with ESP on, but when was off the system was able to send power to the other wheel? How is that? And then, why Mitsubishi doesn't use one unique AWD system to their crossovers/SUV? The Outlander being the competitor of Subaru Forester, should have an AWD similar to the Eclipse standard (not just for the GT). I believe any Subaru (with VDC at least) will pass this test even when is one rear wheel with traction.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+Baltazar Campos Nieto ESP cuts the engine power. If you switch it off, power is not cut, but traction control (brakes) remains active, so there is enough torque for Eclipse Cross to pass the test. I agree that they should use some more advanced system in Outlander, I tested a few Subaru cars, all pass.

[@sirgalahad777]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Actually it is ASR (Anti Slipping/Traction Control) not the ESP (Electronic Stability) which is turned off. However, many wrongly confuses these two. Probably ESP can never be turned off in Eclipse and other similar cars.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@sirgalahad777 Nope, it is like I wrote in previous comment. ESP may be turned off. With Traction Control off car would fail diagonal, lateral and three roller tests.

[@DirectX3]

With the same AWD system, and if the tires are the same as well, that means the weight and wheel base make the difference.... Am I right? Thanks!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+DirectX3 It is not the same awd system in Eclipse Cross and Outlander. However if it was the same, then you would be right :)

[@dimronin5351]

Why is one of the stands necessarily with a black metal frame on top?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It was a "balustrade " to keep the car on rollers. But it didn't work.

Please test Acura SH-AWD

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+AâŠîm Sakharkar Acura is not available in my country :/

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@DroidTech As far as I am concerned, all Acura has SH-AWD. Not available in Honda except Pilot.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Here's Acura: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKTQoWeEe6ihY80

[@UsamaJaffery]

so its not a 4WD system in fact. i was thinking to buy outlander, but now, this shows its not actually 4x4 or 4wd.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

4WD, 4x4 or AWD are just the namings, they do not define any specific systems.

[@kenankeno314]

Which one is first?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Like in title and description, Eclipse Cross goes first.

[@LocoMe4u]

to be fair Outlander GT here comes with a 3.0L 6 cylinder engine AND S-AWC! also this eclipse cross is lighter and 1.5L engine produce almost same torque as 2.4L outlander AWC oh shit now 2020 models even 2.4L basetrim here comes standard with S-AWC

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

The one from the test has AWC. And actually this is the same system as S-AWC in Eclipse Cross, only software is different. Outlander GT has different type of S-AWC.

[@LocoMe4u]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no S-AWC has front center and rear locking diff while AWC only has center locking diff

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@LocoMe4u Unfortunately none of your statements is correct, you really have to do serious research about AWC and S-AWC types...

[@LocoMe4u]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no I'm right I talked to mitsubishi to ask them in person

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@LocoMe4u No, you are terribly wrong. Tell the people you asked to go and check what's under the cars and inside the transmissions. As I said before - ALL of your statements are incorrect.

[@rowerowysztos]

Mitsubishi legenda 4x4 :P

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Janek l Bardzo podobnie wypadają wszystkie legendy.

[@rowerowysztos]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dacie radę sprawdzić jakiegoś landrovera? Np. Discovery 4/5 albo sport? Bo nigdzie nie ma takiego testu na rolkach..

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@rowerowysztos Raczej nie, Discovery jest za ciężki... :/

[@rowerowysztos]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers to prawda jest ciężki, ale discovery sport waży podobnie jak np. Audi Q5 i jest lżejszy niż volvo xc 90 które ostatnio badaliście. Więc może dałoby radę :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Janek l Do 2,5 tony damy radę, tylko musimy znaleźć ochotnika z takim samochodem :-)

[@djmacri]

What is the name of the colour of the car?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

A Mac Please ask Mitsubishi Auto-Krak dealer, unfortunately I don't know the name.

[@NguyenNam-gl6et]

Outlander only can send torque to each axle separately but can not send to each ưheel. Am I right???

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Outlander, like majority of these kind of cars, is shifting power from front to back via multiplate clutch-pack. Left/right torque distribution is based on brake system.

[@NguyenNam-gl6et]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers at the last test 3 rollers, why SAWC of E Cross pass but Outlander fail???

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@NguyenNam-gl6et It probably has better tuned traction control system.

[@NguyenNam-gl6et]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you, hope that E Cross available in Vietnam so I can test

[@jrfrancis5]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Apparently 2020 outlander SAWC got an update to the system. I haven't been able to find out much more. Have you heard what the changes are or know where to look to find out? Maybes it's the same as the one that passed the 3 roller test and if so could you do the test over with the updated 2020 system?

[@bernardhossmoto]

Outlander S-AWC on the rear axle only works from 15km/h upwards. If you are stuck it is only 3WD :(

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+hossguitar In this test there is AWC in Outlander and S-AWC in Eclipse Cross, which is not the same as S-AWC in Outlander GT.

[@bernardhossmoto]

Didn't you do an Outlander S-AWC test that failed the 3 rollers, too?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+hossguitar Yes, there is such test on my channel. Failed on 3 rollers but only when one rear wheel had traction, no problems when front one had.

[@bernardhossmoto]

There is an electronic limited slip diff in the front but not in the back. The AWD system using the ABS brakes on the rear wheels only works from 15km/h up and not when the car is stuck :(

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+hossguitar 15 km/h is not much, I think the speed was higher in the tests. There are old tests of ASX on my channel, with additional camera that you can watch the speedometer. Standard AWC in Outlander passes the test on three rollers with only one front wheel on pavement, so are the brakes are working on front below 15 km/h and on the rear above 15 km/h? Sound weird.

[@pawelpawlowski7734]

Chcesz do porównania outlandera gt z s-awc?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Dzięki, Outlander z S-AWC już był testowany 🙂

[@pawelpawlowski7734]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Właśnie napisałem komentarz a potem zobaczyłem datę 😂

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@pawelpawlowski7734 Luzik 🙂 GT wypadł podobnie do zwykłej wersji.

[@MrAngelzer0]

That outlander's lack of torque and its transmission (assuming cvt) is its biggest problem. I will bet the v6 with 6spd auto will pass these tests.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

SeductiveYeti Nope, I tested V6 and the result was the same.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@DroidTech I did not test it, but I don't expect different result.

[@alicetronics-jaycarsplatin5629]

Now Try it with a PHEV and compare results!

[@angela-alexandrutalpau8120]

Phev is better ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@angela-alexandrutalpau8120 Not really... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qai7qIaHpLmioJY

[@evilemperor6426]

what does that orange car symbol to the left of 4wd eco/auto/lock at 4:27 indicate?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Evil emperor That is ESP OFF.

[@Alekspit1]

To pass this test on Mitsubishi Outlander you need to easy press on the brake pedal. ;-)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I don't think that work in modern cars. We tried handbrake in Outlander II - no success.

[@paloduro1901]

Sports AWD？ 4WD LOCK did not work as I seen. What happened to MITSU.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Palo Duro Lock is only for front/rear, not left/right. In offroad conditions they actually do better than new Subarus...

[@evilemperor6426]

they become Mr.bitchy...lol..

[@Trades46]

Just curious is the Eclipse Cross S-AWC the same one found on the higher trim Outlander with S-AWC?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Trades46 S-AWC from Eclipse Cross is different from Outlander GT (not to mention S-AWC from Lancer Evolution). GT and Evo have AYC - Active Yaw Control realized via active diffs (Evo at rear, GT at front). Evo also has an active center diff, GT has active center clutch like standard Outlander or ASX. Eclipse Cross also has the same active center clutch, while AYC is realized only by brakes (like in Outlander PHEV), programmed for understeer. Here is torque split comparison between Eclipse Cross and first ASX (based on the assumption that front and rear tyres are under the same road condition): - AUTO mode: from 80/20 to 55/45 (ASX 4WD AUTO mode: from 90/10 to 40/60) - SNOW mode: from 80/20 to 45/55 - GRAVEL mode: from 70/30 to 40/60 (ASX LOCK mode: from 80/20 to 30/70)

[@ncbbboi]

Look like they need to improve on AWD lock, if it's real AWD lock it'll fully lock all wheels and spin at the same time. I love Mitsubishi, but shame on them on the AWD lock it's a disappoinment 😭.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

bob There is no suv/crossover where you can lock all wheels, only axles.

[@valdius85]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers New RAV4 Adventure has active diff in the back. PLEASE check it out when it comes out in Poland :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@valdius85 Yeap I know and I am waiting for this :)

[@MrLukaszcu]

Thanks, I'll pass on the mitsubishi

[@4ua777]

🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟👍🇺🇦

[@venri_spirit]

エスクードは出来るのにな

[@dy3dsl648]

Seems like Suzuki new AWD is better

[@vladleonard86]

Shit 4wd system

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Any arguments?

[@MAN__IN__BLACK]

Tylko QUATTRO!!!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+MAN IN BLACK Quattro czyli co dokładnie? Nazwa sama w sobie nie oznacza nic konkretnego.

[@MAN__IN__BLACK]

duszaniespokojna TORSEN....

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+MAN IN BLACK Torsen jest świetny, ale to odchodzący wynalazek sprzed 100 lat, stosowany przez wielu producentów, nie tylko Audi. Istnieje wiele znacznie skuteczniejszych rozwiązań.

[@MAN__IN__BLACK]

duszaniespokojna No nie do końca się zgodzę... obecny model torsena z mechanizmem koronowym zastosowany w Audi A6 jest według mnie jednym z najlepszych napędów AWD. Standardowo przekazuje moc w stosunku 60-40 (faworyzując tył) i może to zmienić np 85-15, 30-70. Przewaga tego rozwiązania nad popularnym haldexem jest taka, że po pierwsze Torsen jest niezawodny a po drugie jest przewidywalny w swoim zachowaniu, wiemy kiedy samochód straci przyczepność w zakręcie i w jaki sposób to zrobi, a w Haldexie czasem dostaniemy podsterowność a czasem nadsterowność w zależności od tego jak zareaguje elektronika.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

+MAN IN BLACK Masz na myśli torsena zmodyfikowanego przez Borg-Warner? Jeśli tak, to rzeczywiście jest to chyba najlepsza odmiana tego rozwiązania, ale też wymaga współpracy z elektroniką do sprawnego działania. Co do Haldexa (IV, V) - wszystko zależy od softu, szczerze mówiąc nie wiem jakie tam są algorytmy i jak różne marki to zestrajają. Tego typu napędy jeszcze kilka lat temu potrafiły być nieprzewidywalne, dziś to już zupełnie inna bajka.