OH MY GOD....Thank you for knowing the difference between turbo threshold and lag. It is so annoying when car reviewers don't know the difference.
@jayczyzyk97075 жыл бұрын
Why dont you testdrive to decide the conclusion
@willdebeljak70625 жыл бұрын
@@jayczyzyk9707 what?
@mxx9965 жыл бұрын
whats turbo threshold??
@BoopSnoot5 жыл бұрын
@@mxx996 Turbo threshold is at what minimum RPM you can expect the turbo to reasonably spool up. So take a Fiat Abarth for example, its turbo threshold is about 2.5K rpm, below which the turbo isn't doing much. However, at say 4K rpm, when going on and off the throttle, you'll see the turbo spools pretty much instantly with almost no lag as its not that large a turbo. The result is that it has a relatively high turbo threshold but low turbo lag.
@willdebeljak70625 жыл бұрын
@@mxx996 the RPM range of effective boost is the turbo threshold. Turbo lag is the latency between off to on throttle where the turbo has to get back up to speed to create the boost. For threshold think big turbo supra, they dont make any power until like 4500 rpm where they suddenly gain boost pressure and make a lot of power. This is because the turbo used is calibrated to flow more air than a small turbo and needs higher exhaust flow to get to the boost providing speeds. On the contrary the turbo lag doesnt always rely on the size of a turbo as it relates to system pressure. When off throttle the turbo isnt spinning from exhaust gases and needs to accelerate. During this time no boost is being made. When throttle is applied the pressure in the intake system is quickly used and not replaced with boost from the turbo. This gives the feeling of "lag" from when you press the pedal to when the car is making full power. Lag can be limited with close turbo placement to the engine block, like the BMW M5 and M3 engines where they are in the "V" of the V8 and a part of the i6 exhaust manifold respectively. Or active systems like anti-lag. Long explanation but hope I could help.
@axioaxis95392 жыл бұрын
I test drove one of these a month ago in the rain and I absolutely loved it! Ik I’d get hate for not choosing the V8 but I thoroughly enjoyed my drive and would very much consider getting one. Not many ppl will be able to realistically use the over 400HP in an SS on roads without getting in trouble so this is a great middle weight option for American muscle cars
@tastynoobr36852 жыл бұрын
Screw the hate, the car looks cool and they have decent mods for it. Fun daily driver, good on gas. I get tons of head turns with mine and the cold air intake and BOV sounds really nice on it. I couldn’t recommend the 4cyl camaro enough its really slept on
@bricklayerlzdp98252 жыл бұрын
400-500 hp is easy useable daily driving accelerating from a light without braking traction, getting on to a highway quicker, changing lanes, those small pulls you do when no one’s around. That power range is probably the sweet spot honestly for a daily or weekend car. Now 600hp+ is where you start to get into trouble without trying. To be fair most people get the v8 for the sound and feeling it gives you.
@axioaxis9539 Жыл бұрын
@@bricklayerlzdp9825 100% agreed the only thing that makes me not want the ecotech is that amazing V8 rumble (especially if you cam it out and throw on a borla 🥵)
@commodoresixfour7478 Жыл бұрын
I love V8's and especially the SBC, but this is awesome. I will always own a V8, but if I ever get the chance to own one of these, I'm going for it.
@alwaysdriven4 ай бұрын
@@bricklayerlzdp9825 you definitely don't have a 400-500hp lol. You think a 5.0 gt isn't or a ss isn't fast enough to get you in trouble? And it doesn't break traction when you floor it on the green light huh
@eliv84685 жыл бұрын
0:26-0:31 V8 sounds so intense they’ll drain your phone’s battery.
@jamesengelsman93695 жыл бұрын
Its err... an interpretative metaphor for fuel economy. Very poetic, actually.
@szn005 жыл бұрын
If it was a V12 that phone would need battery bank ;)
@Ted_Kenzoku5 жыл бұрын
so that's why electric cars have no sound, it's to save battery life!
@Mrmudbone_gaming5 жыл бұрын
Elijah Vang well, you don’t get a V8 for its fuel economy...
@serbianwolfgaming96233 жыл бұрын
@@szn00 but if it was w12 phone would die
@-h-16665 жыл бұрын
*I don’t know if you realized this yet, but your Camaro is missing 4 cylinders.*
@elLinkeado4 жыл бұрын
didnt know the economy cars had to be 8 cylinders lmao
@phylliswhitman69674 жыл бұрын
@@elLinkeado if you want an economy car get a prius!
@Arayig19823 жыл бұрын
@@phylliswhitman6967 not as economical as an 80s civic.
@ivansanchez85103 жыл бұрын
@Soundwave why even do all those mods when you have a Camaro? Might as well get a Subaru
@ivansanchez85103 жыл бұрын
@Soundwave reccomended video and saw this as top post. I had to comment on the absurdity of your post
@Tomgillchevy5 жыл бұрын
One of the most under-estimated Camaros ever built. A great review that really gets down to the nitty-gritty on this trim option!
@QuSilver5 жыл бұрын
Loving these Camaro vids. I bought a 2.0t last September and absolutely LOVE it. I did a test drive in the 4 cyl, v6, and v8 and the 2.0t was a no brainer. Don't get me wrong - the SS was the most fun to drive. The v6 sucked - has less torque than the 2.0t and I felt like my v6 honda accord could run laps around it. I tested the 2.0t last.... I was sold as soon as I put the pedal down. Not only did I save over $10k compared to the price of the SS, I'm continuing to save on gas (34mph avg highway on cruise, 22 avg in city... and that's because I have a heavy foot) and reduced maintenance costs over time. The 2.0t is an excellent daily driver and a hell of a lot of fun when you can let her open up. 0-60 time blows my mind. Even when you reach 100mph she's still begging for more... couldn't be happier with my purchase.
@MeltingRubberZ285 жыл бұрын
My buddy had that motor in his Cobalt and with a tune it was very stout.
@altacalifornia25803 жыл бұрын
I want to buy one of these used when I graduate high school in 2026
@bremenclermont37132 жыл бұрын
I’ve got that v6 accord coupe now. The 9th Gen, great car, great interior and pretty comfortable. But something in the driving leaves me wanting more. Would you really say the 2.0t Camaro was a solid switch over?
@maverickmorrison99822 жыл бұрын
what’s wrong with the v6
@sugerhitman1295 Жыл бұрын
@@bremenclermont3713 The 4 banger Camaro is a legit sports car...in fact it's a full on sports car, front mounted mid engine, with 295 foot pounds of torque...the handling is elite...mine is FBO with a Spec stage 1 clutch and aluminum flywheel....ditch the Honda.
@millipekmez5775 жыл бұрын
0:55 and that is the one good boy on the background.
@fathersweek5 жыл бұрын
milli pekmez ha! I totally missed that.
@egemenozturkulus10645 жыл бұрын
O nasıl bi dikkat lan
@jax10795 жыл бұрын
That dog was having a day back there! 🤣
@boi11465 жыл бұрын
@@egemenozturkulus1064 görüntü kalitesini yükselt kaçırmazsın
@icantdecideahandle5 жыл бұрын
@@jax1079 if that's a track... then that doggo is having a "track day" lol😂
@daison965 жыл бұрын
That intro..... Y'all some fools! Love it!
@zildmaster5 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the RS stands for Rally Sport, but I did enjoy the "Really Slow" meaning as well! haha
@RPG__Dave5 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid we would RS=Really Sucks. It was a 6cyl with like 140hp pathetic.
@Game-The-System5 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he said "relatively slow." At 275hp and 295 fp of torque, and a respectable 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds, kinda hard to call this thing slow.
@digitalsiler5 жыл бұрын
rs always stood for really sucks really slow really shitty really stinky for a long many years
@zildmaster5 жыл бұрын
@@Game-The-System Oops, totally misheard the first time. It's all relative anyway. It's definitely quicker than a BRZ/GT86 though.
@MJC-GSXS7505 жыл бұрын
Or Racing Sport
@ghettovanadventures5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the way you review cars with a little bit of humour and some down to earth talk about what you’re driving
@nigel_white5 жыл бұрын
The 1LT 1LE doesn't have adjustable dampers. So changing the drive mode does nothing for the ride quality. It only changes the steering weight.
@bradnall72045 жыл бұрын
It also changes throttle response when in track mode and the active exhaust if equipped.
@doublevanoz5 жыл бұрын
They really don't know why they're talking about. Breezing over the facts and focusing on their opinions. I had to unsubscribe
@Dolby1095 жыл бұрын
@@doublevanoz Seems a bit extreme for one slightly missed fact.
@nigel_white5 жыл бұрын
@@Dolby109 agreed, particularly when relatively cheap cars like the Veloster N and Civic come with adjustable dampers now. However, it is rather amusing that he perceived a difference in ride quality! Lol!
@doublevanoz5 жыл бұрын
@@Dolby109 I'm not into Canadian dribble
@jacobreed475 жыл бұрын
About time someone reviewed this specific model of Camaro. Good job guys. And yes, please do a track battle with this, the BRZ track spec model and the Focus ST. That would be great and would get tone of views. No k e track battled the 1LT 1 LE 2.0 against anything. Cheers and hello from Seattle.
@Dolby1095 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the MX-5 Miata.
@josephandreuccetti80435 жыл бұрын
Acuravigor47 This will smash a BRZ like it was standing still.
@stillnottellingyoumyname81935 жыл бұрын
@@josephandreuccetti8043 Most cars will smash a brz lol My ST will and makes me smile more than a BRZ I've driven a couple of em and idk, just not a fan
@racer7743 жыл бұрын
Car and Driver did a Lightning Lap comparison which included a similarly priced Camaro Turbo 1LE and a BRZ. The Camaro was 10 seconds quicker! 3:04 & 3:14 second lap times.
@Thee_Godfather_Kat5 жыл бұрын
The headlights look like Renault Megane rear lights
@Han-lz9iu5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the lights are rather disappointing
@Ted_Kenzoku5 жыл бұрын
i see it more like a dodge charger front end than a megane. but they still look like a downgrade from last gen camaros i think
@Thee_Godfather_Kat5 жыл бұрын
@@Han-lz9iu I think they should've maybe kept the ZL1 headlights
@Thee_Godfather_Kat5 жыл бұрын
@@Ted_Kenzoku True they look like a sad dog. Check the 2019 Renault Megane/Megane RS rear lights, they have a similarity
@LittleLightIsaOnce5 жыл бұрын
😂😂 they really do
@Vizzerlp5 жыл бұрын
I love you for doing so much tests with the Camaro! Please don't stop🔥
@spacelube58455 жыл бұрын
I wish Europe had more cars like these. Muscle-ish car pushing 200+ hp for a decent price? Sign me up. Should not complain about a 4 cyl. There aren´t many RWD ballsy cars around at this pricepoint, we should praise these things.
@CarGuy51415 жыл бұрын
American is the only place you can get muscle... and this Camaro is no muscle
@spacelube58455 жыл бұрын
@@CarGuy5141 you clearly didn't understand my point
@dancarthen36344 жыл бұрын
They are evolving into sports cars.
@spacelube58454 жыл бұрын
@@dancarthen3634 That's better than becoming a SUV
@whatswiththissassylostchilld4 жыл бұрын
You know the 4cyl would cost in over 40k. The V6 would cost over 50 thousand dollars if it was sold in Europe. SS 1le almost 100 thousand dollars but probably in the high 80s. And the ZL1 1LE would cost over 100 thousand dollars. If all of those vehicles are brand new.
@Cedrickr4 жыл бұрын
considering I'm taking ownership of my 4-cyl, riverside blue RS Camaro tonight, this video makes me feel better about my choice
@cardo1111Ай бұрын
Are you still enjoying this car, if so any issues at this point of ownership?
@CedrickrАй бұрын
@@cardo1111 I very much am My car has been an absolute beast, I now have 65000 km on it and nothing beyond normal maintenance
@LV426CX13 жыл бұрын
On the 2017 and later manual Camaros, you can do no lift or power shifting, the transmissions have an algorithm supporting that, doing that at WOT will keep the car in boost and greatly improve response and acceleration.
@spicysnowman88865 жыл бұрын
I'd rather it be quiet then have some stupid artificial sound through the speakers
@1TheXshadoW15 жыл бұрын
shots fired!!! #ford.
@CarGuy51415 жыл бұрын
@FordRaptor
@williamjordan55545 жыл бұрын
Than
@killerkhalsa275 жыл бұрын
Shots fired at volkswagen too
@thegenerousdegenerate93955 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@mattfarrar85665 жыл бұрын
People complain constantly that cars are too expensive, That manuals are going away, that everyone only makes suvs now... then Chevy and ford give us great handling, stick shift enthusiast cars with iconic name plates and styling... and everyone makes fun of them for not having v8s. It’s sad really. I bet this car would smoke an early 2000s z28 with the “legendary” ls1 on a race track. It’s probably a simple tune away from beating it on the drag strip too. I love v8s they are awesome, I’ve had many! But let’s not bash manufacturers or stigmatize vehicles when they actually give us performance cars... that’s how we end up with a Mitsubishi Eclipse suv.
@fathersweek5 жыл бұрын
Great review. I love this car precisely because it will be HATED by Camero fans while being panned/overlooked by those in the hot hatch market. Prime example of an MBA exec making a business case for a car that ultimately nobody will want or buy. I love it! I would have never known about it if it wasn’t for you guys! Thank you! Very honest fair review. I’d consider buying it for the following reasons, ; 1) It’s cheap - only $30K 2) it’s a turbo - gives you that fun extra little pull. 3) It’s a standard/manual transmission. 4) I won’t kill myself by being tempted with 600+ HP of the V8. 5) Great fuel economy. 6) Most importantly however I expect there will be VERY low demand for this vehicle.
@pfitz93465 жыл бұрын
My problem as a hot hatch guy is the size. The Camaro is a bit of a boat in comparison. If I was to design my dream Camaro I'd get this same car but with the v6 with a twin turbo (please Chevy). If I'm gonna buy a large car I want large car power but I also don't want 600 horsepower. I want something around like 350-400 horsepower at the very most. Honestly though if anyone put out a twin turbo v6 manual with a sport suspension I'd buy it in a heartbeat. If Ford made a mustang with the SHO engine and the performance package id buy it in a heartbeat. Here's to hoping whatever Nissan is working in the replace the decrepit 370z is a hit because other than looking and feeling like a car from a decade ago and being naturally aspirated it's exactly what I'm looking for.
@Dolby1095 жыл бұрын
@@pfitz9346 Get an ATS-V. It's basically a luxury Camaro with a TT V6. The hilarious part is everyone said they should have just thrown the LT1 V8 into it.
@pfitz93465 жыл бұрын
@@Dolby109 thanks for the tip man I'll look into it Edit: shit there's 1 only a couple miles from here with a manual transmission. I'm gonna look into it.
@Dolby1095 жыл бұрын
@@pfitz9346 Nice! They are harder to find with a manual. Snatch that thing up.
@2maxmax1max5 жыл бұрын
@@pfitz9346 keep me updated I love that car. And it has launch control
@jaynen5 жыл бұрын
Did you know that some GM engineers won the CAM national title with the 4cyl Camaro? And the 4cyl Camaro also won a national title for GS?
@whatswiththissassylostchilld4 жыл бұрын
jaynen is this real or what?
@user-kg9cv4rr8j3 жыл бұрын
@@whatswiththissassylostchilld I think its a joke because in all their ads they say they won an award nobody new of
@whatswiththissassylostchilld3 жыл бұрын
@@user-kg9cv4rr8j probably.
@sugerhitman1295 Жыл бұрын
@@whatswiththissassylostchilld Yes it's real...Mark also won CAM in a stock Camaro I4 turbo...The Camaro I4 turbo is a serious sports car.
@NeutralGenericUser5 жыл бұрын
I ***LOVE*** your intros. I haven't even watched the rest of the video yet, but I had to say that. They are genius. I just don't even understand how you constantly have such clever, well executed new ideas. How do you not run out of ideas? How??? Incredible job. Okay, now to actually watch the rest of the video :D
@NurseNicholas4 жыл бұрын
If it wasn’t called a Camaro, I think people would be much quicker to purchase it
@interceptingfist56824 жыл бұрын
@Capt MacArrow that's kinda backwards logic, but as long as you're happy.
@leet.42095 жыл бұрын
Track battle against the Veloster N!
@Rainmanthereal3 жыл бұрын
This is actually a really good and honest review. Everybody should consider this low-end Camaro with enthusiasm and respect. I'm impressed of how GM is looking forward to our near future and tries to change it's image for the next/younger following generations. Just keep in mind guys that this car company was founded in 1908.
@nickhonor9808 Жыл бұрын
brother, 2 years later how do you feel about them discontinuing it?
@Rainmanthereal Жыл бұрын
@@nickhonor9808 Sad 😢 for real as a Chevy car guy ! Perhaps, there’s gonna be a lot of good used ones available for a decent price in a couple of years in my opinion. Peace bro!
@caglioso5 жыл бұрын
Honestly if it were in anything else but a Camaro it would be considered a pretty fast car. Chevy should use that engine in something like a sedan or hatch.
@mortikia073 жыл бұрын
They use the ltg 2.0 in alot of cars and suvs.
@Me-eb3wv Жыл бұрын
Going to be honest, a v4/v6 Camaro is the best bang for your buck if you want a fun sports car. They’re the most affordable Compared to everything else on the market.
@alexmuir397413 күн бұрын
Probably the best car review content channel on KZbin! 👌
@redvlogztv34392 жыл бұрын
I had a 4 cyl turbo maro. I currently have a v6 and v8 and man I still miss my 4 cyl 🥺
@healthfitnessshorts50152 жыл бұрын
I’ll trade ya😂
@WhiteGoldSynesthesia5 жыл бұрын
I actually think this is a superb looking machine
@GHST-ok4xn5 жыл бұрын
smh lol
@talkditingsdem57995 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to see your girlfriend.
@kanyewestbank96775 жыл бұрын
The mustang's exterior puts it to shame though
@GHST-ok4xn5 жыл бұрын
@@kanyewestbank9677 what year is that?
@kanyewestbank96775 жыл бұрын
@@GHST-ok4xn the new mustangs look better imo. I know a lot of others would also agree.
@performancedriverssociety10895 жыл бұрын
There’s a real argument to be had for less powerful cars you can really run out on the street. I’d say sub 400hp, light weight, and it’s a perfect recipe for street driving.
@gigi94675 жыл бұрын
Performance Driver's Society street driving yea for sure that why the miata is great
@performancedriverssociety10895 жыл бұрын
Jesus H Medrano exactly!
@BMWROYAL5 жыл бұрын
Performance Driver's Society depends on where you live and what you do. In my town there’s a lot of highway racing where it’s easy to use 800hp on the highway at 2am doing roll races starting at 80mph.
@Kamukix5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you, but most (generally speaking) internet people swear they are pushing the limits of every car on the street even those with 400-700bhp. That's simply not true 99.9% of the time, the road surface isn't good enough for that, traffic, police, ROOM to run, etc etc etc. I think most people would have far more fun in a car with 180-300bhp and reasonable weight (2500-3200lbs) if they were completely honest with themselves.
@performancedriverssociety10895 жыл бұрын
Kamukix Agreed
@MezaCortez55 жыл бұрын
Chevy should’ve taken this route but in a sedan instead of a camaro to have competition for the Wrx and Civic Si
@K03sport5 жыл бұрын
... A Malibu SS perhaps. Too bad Chevrolet is trimming down their car platforms plus, Chevy really never had a wrx or Si competitor...the hhr/cobalt SS doesn't count.
@FL50ssp3 жыл бұрын
They did it was called the 2008 - 2010 Cobalt SS. Included Ecotech Turbo 4 with man trans and 4 piston Brembo in front. Base HP/TQ was 260/260. You could get more via Chevy performance pack (actually added performance unlike Frod PP gimmicks) I believe this was good for 290+ HP/TQ. Came in coupe or sedan. It was the fastest Front Drive car (currently number 211 on C&D list) for several years until the Honda Civic Type R came along. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15152055/2008-chevrolet-cobalt-ss-first-drive-review/ and www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
@toryz13andy5 жыл бұрын
I gotta admit, I drove a 4-cylinder 2018 camaro and I honestly love it! It the only thing I can afford. If people can’t afford v8 then you have option with v4 or v6. Also v4 are pretty quick. It not fast but it pretty quick.
@gingerbeard71173 жыл бұрын
Quick question how much is the insurance cost and maintenace costs
@bodom117162 жыл бұрын
cant believe there's a v4 in this. Never seen that in a car before.
@lancethomas570121 күн бұрын
@@gingerbeard711723 year old 4cyl driver around 400$ in insurance in Florida!
@Linknelson5 жыл бұрын
Bro everyone complaining and being negative, cars 10 years ago were nothing compared to what you get out of the box now.. I think Chevy did a solid job with this option.
@wykydytron5 жыл бұрын
link nelson 10years? You meant 30yr, in last ten years almost nothing changed, my freaking lexus from 2006 offers more then most modern cars :-) and my 11' camaro still looks better then new ones and drives almost the same... if anything cars got fatter and thats about that.
@Linknelson5 жыл бұрын
@@wykydytron no way man, the suspension and chassis from the new Camaros are definitely an upgrade from the previous model.. not comparing to Lexus mainly the American car options. But what I was pointing out for example the 1LE SS puts better lap times down the Z28.. Z28 also had more HP and it was lighter, but the alpha platform is a machine. Comparing apples to apples when it comes to options. Nothing against your 11 man, but this 1LT would probably do a little better on The track. Edit and if you bought your Lexus brand new it probably was the same price if not a little more than the Camaro when it comes to price relativity comparing what 30k is now compared to 2007
@DeeRuss11 ай бұрын
Consider buying this, the Manuel comes with the tremec transmission which are very reliable
@tonypereira85485 жыл бұрын
“More than a WiFi password” 💀💀
@WhoAmI2CuffHer5 жыл бұрын
Do the 2019 1LT 1LE RS 3.6 v6. I just bought one and they’re very great. I love it.
@VaddyFC5 жыл бұрын
No disrespect but is there a reason why you didn't get a 1SS V8 instead of the V6, I respect your choice I'm just curious
@WhoAmI2CuffHer5 жыл бұрын
Vaddy ! Well I had a budget of around $30k. I know a couple people that are salesman but I wasn’t able to get the SS for around $30k I think the lowest was around $35kish or something like that. I also had a trade in which I had negative equity on it but 335 Horsepower is still a lot and it still looks like a mean ass car. If you want to see it, my IG car page is @blvckmobile
@scottherron4 жыл бұрын
@@WhoAmI2CuffHer I would of definitely gotten the v6 1le if i couldn't afford the v8 1le, you made a great choice.
@AlienCreatureThing3 жыл бұрын
Vaddy _ because it’s his money and his choice don’t worry about it
@user-kg9cv4rr8j3 жыл бұрын
@@VaddyFC maybe he wanted to save gas
@shyamsundarrajasekaran52754 жыл бұрын
You guys should seriously consider the v6 1le for a review. I have been searching for a review of that car but I'm just finding reviews on the 4 cylinder 1le. The v6 sounds a lot better and has 335 bhp. I test drove that cat and it was crazy fun.
@JS-hw8ve3 жыл бұрын
I was raised in a world where Camaros and Mustangs haf to have 8 cylinders. But times change. These days, I don't need a roaring beast that guzzled gas and shakes windows as I pass. I've got nothing to prove. A reliable, maneuverable car, with decent trunk space, and enough power to handle mountain roads and passing on the highway are what I need. Add to that decent fuel economy, and this looks like it could be a winner. Could be... Couple issues I'm noticing are driver position and visibility. Those narrow window slits are questionable, and not having a place to rest your arm could be problematic. I'd like to compare it to the Ecoboost Mustang. I know, I know, but it's 2020, and the big three have scaled waaay back on car production. From Chevy, all they offer are the Volt, Malibu, and Camaro. Ford has the Ecosport and the Mustang. Getting a 4cyl in those models is getting to be your only options for an affordable, fuel efficient daily.
@ota0244 жыл бұрын
I like it. I like V8 alot, but there are a lot of advantages, it is quiet, has better fuel consumption, easier to maintain, and here where I'm from it will be cheaper to ensure, it is still a Camaro, looks agressive and sporty, and has a 6 speed manual transmission. For me, this is perfect.
@Jwdude1232 жыл бұрын
The turbo 4 is good. Get the V-8.
@Kamukix5 жыл бұрын
I didn't quite understand the segment of the market for this car (not hating on the car AT ALL)......UNTIL you mentioned the BRZ/86 crowd. That's actually an incredibly interesting comparison, and one I'd LOVE to see take place. It's a difficult car to push to people as they usually associate these bodies (including the Mustang) with v8 soundtracks....but that doesn't make the 4cyl cars wrong. Fascinating perspective, I'd have never thought about that comparison. Good on you gents to bring it up!
@covertpetersen25735 жыл бұрын
"but that doesn't make the 4cyl cars wrong" Strongly disagree. These cars shouldn't exist under the camaro name.
@Kamukix5 жыл бұрын
@@covertpetersen2573 would you like to elaborate? It's not the first time the cars have had 4cyl engines, and it's not like the cars are garbage. What is your disagreement with, just sound? I myself wouldn't buy one with anything other than a V8 but that is because I would ONLY buy one those cars at all to get a V8 engine. Not that they should only come with that engine, but I wouldn't care if the cars had been made before at all if it wasn't for the engine. The 4cyl engine is a good one, the v6 is actually quite good in these cars, but a car like the amazing GT350 is ONLY amazing to me because I can't get that engine in anything else. If it didn't have that then I don't need to know it exists, but MANY other people DO like the car for itself not just for the engine. It's hard to describe what I'm saying, but think of it like this if it helps. A Miata isn't special because of its engine, it's special because of the car itself whereas I don't care at all about these cars because they're huge, heavy as heck, and don't drive the way I love to drive....but I do care about their engine. Other people just love the cars, and to them these engines are great, and I agree with them.
@covertpetersen25735 жыл бұрын
@@Kamukix than go buy a BRZ, 370Z, Stinger, miata, genesis coupe, etc. No car with a muscle car nameplate should be bought with less than 8 cylinders, full stop. They're embarrassing. This also applies to the i4 Mustang, and V6 dodges.
@Kamukix5 жыл бұрын
@@covertpetersen2573 I am not buying either a Mustang nor Camaro unless it's a full on track car. They have zero appeal to me, but I think they're cool. They are not muscle cars they're pony cars, and honestly they have been SPORTS cars for quite a while now as they actually handle, stop, and in general do everything well instead of just make a bit of power and noise. GM and Ford are surely aware of this which is why they are as they are now. Either way I mean, the Mustang was a secretary car at the beginning but lots of people forget that haha. I don't mean to sound argumentative so I hope you're not reading my words harshly like an internet kid would be saying them (I'm 39 and very much not a kid haha). I'm simply asking the WHY instead of just the answer, know what I mean? There are cars where I believe they should ABSOLUTELY have only one type of engine in them, but I have reasons why I believe it so (specifically anything that's a Mazda RX-? because the engine is literally the name of the car). I'm curious how you feel about the upcoming Corvette (or the last Ford GT) not having the engine people are used to seeing in them? What happens when a car reaches a point that in order to go faster, they HAVE to change things that people assumed would never change?
@Kamukix5 жыл бұрын
@@covertpetersen2573 btw, the v6 Challenger absolutely does suck lol. That is waaaaay too much car for that poor engine, and it's also the ONLY American car left that is a muscle car (in my humble opinion) though if they put the money into a supercharged/turbo'd v6 as a base I guess that'd work...but it'd likely cost more than developing the V8, so...
@blkdna7485 жыл бұрын
4 cyl + new design total lol
@FL50ssp2 жыл бұрын
C&D Lightning Lap results at VIR - Ecoboost = 3:15.6 and Camaro Turbo 1LE = 3:05.6 or ~ 10 seconds difference over 4.2 mile road course. I'd call that a win for Camaro.
@MLeeder535 жыл бұрын
I am looking forward to a track battle! No one had really pushed this version of this car on track yet. Track battle this vs, BRZ, vs, Type r? Oh also Mustang has the PP1 option for its ecoboost!
@MJC-GSXS7505 жыл бұрын
I was thinking same thing as you. BRZ,TypeR??? Ecoboost Mustang PP1...Hello guyz LOL, frig you can use my car to for it, i'm just down the road from y'all
@BoopSnoot5 жыл бұрын
Type R is not price competitive, and at that higher price you could go V6 or V8 on the Camaro. BRZ would be left in the dust, not really performance competitive. Ecoboost Mustang and Veloster N would be good options.
@MLeeder535 жыл бұрын
@@BoopSnoot I more mean the Type R in the way that its the relatively top dog right now. it punches above its weight, and to add it would be to see how it compares to it on track! Yes i could have got a turbo 1le and not the type r and i would have saved about 8 grand, but also the type R resale is amazing! Whatever they do test it will be awesome and i cant wait!
@BoopSnoot5 жыл бұрын
@@MLeeder53 That's actually a misconception, at least in Texas. The Type R's are selling with no manufacturer rebates at full MSRP around here. This is verifiable by doing a TMV search where they put together all the recorded sales for an average, and you see they go for $36,620. No discounts on new means higher resale values on old, but you didn't SAVE any money because you paid full MSRP. GM is the exact opposite, by setting MSRPs that are far above their true sale price in order to make consumers feel like they got a "good deal". A Camaro I4 with the track package by contrast has an average TMV of $26,118 after $1500 in incentives and a selling price not only well below MSRP but well below invoice. This means that used vehicles will sell for cheaper than new ones (duh) but appear to have massive depreciation from MSRP... but nobody pays MSRP. So to compare a $26K version of the Camaro real street price with a $36.5K Civic real street price makes no sense, and would make the Civic seem better than it truly is. After all, the Edmunds TMV for a SS Couple with the track package after incentives is $36,630, almost identical in price to the Type R, and I think we know the Type R would not be able to hang.
@Tangsters5 жыл бұрын
No..seriously the weight vs a brz etc?
@jeffmorse6455 жыл бұрын
Too bad you didn't have a Mustang EcoBoost with the EcoBoost performance package and MagneRide Dampening System to compare it to.
@MJC-GSXS7505 жыл бұрын
That's what i was thinking. They compared to BRZ, or TypeR, i was like really? The EB Mustang PP is it's best match up IMO
@SoI_Badguy5 жыл бұрын
The EcoBoost 4cyl was the mid tier engine package back when the v6 Mustang was still around. The camaro goes 4cyl, v6, v8. The mustang goes v6, 4cyl, v8. The EcoBoost would be competing with the v6 1Le, not this model.
@CarGuy51415 жыл бұрын
Then you could title it: Which American Muscle Wannabe is the gayest
@InuranusBrokoff5 жыл бұрын
I'm more of a Ford guy so you'd think it would make me all warm and fuzzy to see the Camaro's design department bomb so hard. It doesn't. I might have cried a little...
@studio-flash5 жыл бұрын
It looks great...its not a v6 or v8..but it delivers.
@Mario-tl7ff5 жыл бұрын
Mustangs are ugly, always have been.
@InuranusBrokoff5 жыл бұрын
@@studio-flash I'm sure it performs well; it's on an amazing platform, and has reduced frontend weight. I just cant get over the front fascia. If all iterations of the Camaro had the ZL1's looks I think they would be golden.
@RRSmurf5 жыл бұрын
The front is definitely a step back. Not a fan. Not a fan of the 4cyl either. I'd look at the V8 against the V8's competitors. But if I was looking at the 4cyl then I'd just get a hot hatch. I genuinely don't like a 4cyl Camaro...
@QuSilver5 жыл бұрын
test drive before you comment
@RRSmurf5 жыл бұрын
@@QuSilver No.
@VeritechGirl5 жыл бұрын
Car aside, I’d love to be able to drive on that nice, smooth road you guys test drove on!🙂 🚘
@doubletee43915 жыл бұрын
One thing Chevy needs to look at is how it sells them. The packages are so confusing if you are trying to build one on the website every check box you click changes everything. Its so confusing you never know where you are actually at. I just gave up.
@VideoProducification5 жыл бұрын
Experienced that myself, my guess is certain options are only allowed on certain trim levels.
@thephao43275 жыл бұрын
The Guys: This would actually be a good track car. Wallet: Yes, yes it would ZL1 1LE: I'm I a joke to you.
@CarGuy51415 жыл бұрын
Your wallet has a mind of its own too?! Atleast i now know that im not crazy
@thephao43275 жыл бұрын
@@CarGuy5141 Yeah whenever I buy things, my wallet is like "I have limits"
@CarGuy51415 жыл бұрын
😂
@Rainmanthereal3 жыл бұрын
0:41 I've just had one the best spontaneous burst of laugh of my entire life, and I've just turned 40 !
@c8z0632 жыл бұрын
For real, that would be embarrassing 🤣
@alexduey78685 жыл бұрын
Why not just get the brz if your going to drive 4 cyl?
@blackstaticband4 жыл бұрын
"Security guard pants" lol...
@bricklayerlzdp98252 жыл бұрын
Ultimately it’s the car you get when you can’t afford the higher price tag, gas, and insurance that comes with the ss + models. A cool car for younger enthusiast getting there foot in the door but still want the looks.
@sugerhitman1295 Жыл бұрын
BS! I have this and the SS...the 4 banger Camaro is no joke...it's a full on sports car..it's literally an upgrade to the Cadillac ATS.
@betoortega4084 жыл бұрын
6th generation camaro V6 . 0-60 5.2 seconds . 6th generation inline 4 camaro 0-60 5.3 seconds . This one here does 0-60 in 5.1 seconds .
@jjs777fzr4 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of a camaro that sheds some weight by virtue of the 4 banger. I can’t wait to get one!
@boxerdog59795 жыл бұрын
This would be a good track car for someone to learn driving in.
@jamesengelsman93695 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Incredibly easy to drive. Easier than a miata and a BRZ to manage the throttle and clutch
@boxerdog59795 жыл бұрын
@@jamesengelsman9369 I remember my first track day I had a Trans am with a ton of power, and got lapped by a stock Miata. Driver skill is the most important if you want to go fast.
@96kylar5 жыл бұрын
Track battle !!!?!! Well done again gents. Keep up the great work/vids.
@terminhaider9695 Жыл бұрын
When Thomas demonstrated the sound I was like "it sounds like a Civic". I now think of it as possibly a good RWD alternative to the CTR
@tomdubois30625 жыл бұрын
Also It would be interesting to compare the camaro 1lt 1le to the ecoboost mustang with the performance pack.
@x.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.x5 жыл бұрын
both shitty
@camaro69green315 жыл бұрын
A fair comparison would be the Eco boost PP to the V6 1LE
@jamorg23065 жыл бұрын
OK, for those of us that bought and enjoy our Ecoboost's or 1LT's. How about a performance review of the two together. Or even add the BRZ if you choose not to have a North American car in last place. Keep up the good work. Cheers
@subscriber61815 жыл бұрын
If you want to count the BRZ, also count the WRX (yes, I know. It's a sedan) for good measure.
@moflyboyblanquito5415 жыл бұрын
9:05 his bag of weed in the door compartment. Just subscribed 🥴
@DeeJayAdverb5 жыл бұрын
Its legal up here so why not ;)
@KingLexus5 жыл бұрын
😂
@caglioso5 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t really tell what was in the bag but hey, when in Canada.....
@Hot-1LE4 жыл бұрын
Comming from an SS 1le myself I bet this car kicks ass.
@Rumorsmusik5 жыл бұрын
you guys makes the best intro
@frozencarguy62745 жыл бұрын
They're fantastic...
@alexrichards38135 жыл бұрын
The ecoboost mustang gets shit but everyone loves this? Gotta love it. It does have 310 horsepower and 350 lb ft of torque Oh shit I actually got people to debate things. V8s are better for the record, I was just surprised how much more power the mustang has
@ELITEViRuZz5 жыл бұрын
Nobody actually likes this car or the Ecoboost or the sad v6 charger/challenger. Anybody considering one of those 3 cars should look elsewhere or save up for the V8.
@LeJunny5 жыл бұрын
@@ELITEViRuZz I also hate the 5.7L Charger/Challenger regardless if it's a V8
@ELITEViRuZz5 жыл бұрын
@@LeJunny Care to elaborate on why you hate the 5.7 Hemi? It doesn't seem bad on paper, but I have no experience with it.
@LeJunny5 жыл бұрын
@@ELITEViRuZz yea all it has going for itself is a loud V8 engine, but besides that a V6 Camaro or Mustang will out perform it in every way possible. Power to weight ratio is off
@FirebirdCamaro12205 жыл бұрын
@@LeJunny yep, the R/T Scat Pack with the 6.4 Hemi is needed just to compete with the GT or SS
@carlosvillalobos84315 жыл бұрын
I watch a lot of your vids but never realized I wasn't subscribed 😱 omg lol You guys are fun to watch btw
@RobustArid3792 жыл бұрын
Nobody today still knows about this car because it started on production of the pandemic era. And everyone stayed quarantine at home 3 years. Only a few cars produced in USA.
@samuelhoward85049 ай бұрын
We absolutely need a track test/battle. Bring out a type r and a gr86 and a stig
@kylenewberry85985 жыл бұрын
Comparison with that, the 2.3L Mustang, BRZ, Type R and veloster N
@BoopSnoot5 жыл бұрын
BRZ is too slow to be a contender, Type R is too expensive (might as well compare it to V6 or V8 then), but the Mustang Ecoboost and Veloster N are price competitive.
@kylenewberry85985 жыл бұрын
@@BoopSnoot I mean I know it's "slow" but again, that is not the point of the car lol. No one complains about a Miata being slow. It is the best handling car south of 50k. So you trade smiles for Drag time. Plus I might be far more livable than the Camaro above.
@SoI_Badguy5 жыл бұрын
The ecoboost mustang would be competing with the v6 1Le
@BoopSnoot5 жыл бұрын
@@SoI_Badguy Check Edmunds TMV. Mustang Ecoboost is price competitive.
@kylenewberry85985 жыл бұрын
Gᴜᴛꜱ • ᏖᏂᏋ ᏂᎧᏬᏁᎴ Ꭷƒ ᎴᏗᏒᏦᏁᏋᏕᏕ that is a both and. There is no v6 stang to compete anymore
@onlyoneromeo5 жыл бұрын
Please do a few track battle comparisons with this car against others in it's segment. Thanx.
@neitherlink66125 жыл бұрын
I like the idea behind this car and the execution of it is quite good to be honest.
@malcolmscott41505 жыл бұрын
Compare with Mustang Ecoboost? V8 stang outsells it massively in Oz but underrated car inmho
@mefman95 жыл бұрын
How do you guys only have 174k subscribers? 😔
@K03sport5 жыл бұрын
... Canadian conversion 🇨🇦
@andresperez83825 жыл бұрын
A new Genesis Coupe
@gherasimtibi5 жыл бұрын
these guys have reviwed like 30 camaros, i love it and so do they
@DeeJayAdverb5 жыл бұрын
This is like the Kawhi of cars. Its a really fun guy.
@enthused75915 жыл бұрын
God. They really ruined that front end. Shame too, because they're such great cars. Just too ugly to own.
@TeflonNapkins5 жыл бұрын
Good news is the 2016-18 is now cheaper!
@halalwrld5 жыл бұрын
Enthused I agree 16-18 ones looked perfect
@TOTO_2095 жыл бұрын
I think the 5 gen looks the best.
@VaddyFC5 жыл бұрын
@@TOTO_209 It does
@alextkd20034 жыл бұрын
2016-18 best front end for me :)
@crackag35 жыл бұрын
That into made me LOL 😂 You guys are just amazing 🔥
@ToriL975 жыл бұрын
Half the amount of cylinders but it makes 55hp more than the Z28 was rated at in the 80's
@SilverMoon11345 жыл бұрын
ugh gotta wait a few years for this beauty
@frstassen5 жыл бұрын
the plate says 'byna'. In Dutch, 'bijna' means 'almost'. :D
@CarGuy51415 жыл бұрын
"2.0L 4-cylinder turbocharged..." "So its 1/2 a camaro?" No, its a little under 1/3 of a camaro...
@numpty945 жыл бұрын
Eli Waldrep why do all you people care? Get the v8 then..
@MikeShero5 жыл бұрын
What kind of car do you drive then lol?
@CarGuy51415 жыл бұрын
Camaro’s have always been known to be an American muscle, with a big v8... Put a 2.0 turbo in there, and its homosexuality on wheels
@dancarthen36344 жыл бұрын
Times change. Mustang and Camaro are sports cars now.
@jamescobrien4 жыл бұрын
Camaro doesn't have any 2.0L. It just has a Camaro body. Yeah, anything less than a V6 is not a Camaro.
@payasofeo695 жыл бұрын
Best car car channel on KZbin. You guys need more subs!
@vlads28745 жыл бұрын
Love your guys' intros. Jeep it up!
@gdsmokey50995 жыл бұрын
Ecu remap and some turbo swaps. Boom you get boost in performance
@gigi94675 жыл бұрын
Sabin Rai and there goes the reliability. Just buy tr v8 if u want more power
@Clone8955 жыл бұрын
Honestly just go for a used SS... I picked up a '17 2SS for like $34k
@wykydytron5 жыл бұрын
Clone895 damn here in europe 17' ss goes for around 60k usd...my 2011 v6 rs cost me about 23k usd last year... must be nice to live in country where everything is so cheap :-)
@Clone8955 жыл бұрын
@@wykydytron That's crazy... My car's sticker price with options (mag ride, NPP exhaust, etc) was about $50K... Just did a quick search and found a 2013 2LT Hot Wheels edition for S15.5K with ~40k miles. I didn't realize how expensive American cars were overseas... Then again European cars aren't terribly cheap over here :P
@GodspeedZRZ2 жыл бұрын
Bluetooth phone calls or even apple car play are horrible in the 6th gen Camaro. I always hold it to my ear!
@FL50ssp2 жыл бұрын
No problems in my 2019.
@scottneaves34873 жыл бұрын
Best intros in all of car KZbin
@abracing1995 жыл бұрын
Would love to see this compared to some hot hatches or the brz like you mentioned. Also to the eco boost mustang. I see this car as almost a modern 240sx or s15 etc.
@Me-eb3wv Жыл бұрын
Exactly 💯
@gigi94675 жыл бұрын
Track timeeeeeeeeeeee laps 0 to 60, 1/4 mile geezzz come on!!
@JuanTorres-nx1cd5 жыл бұрын
Jesus H Medrano most likely less than the Mustang Ecoboost jajaja
@gigi94675 жыл бұрын
Juan Torres well thats mean! But actually the mustang will beat it on 1/4 and 0 to 60 lap times is a different story..
@gigi94675 жыл бұрын
Robert Schattauer u have a lap time at a track?
@gigi94675 жыл бұрын
Robert Schattauer sorry but i dont believe it being under 5seconds. 5.1 5.3 yea maybe
@SoI_Badguy5 жыл бұрын
@@gigi9467 ...and why not? The 4cyl makes a sneeze away from 300ft-ibs of torque and has less weight on the nose, meaning more traction. And the stock SS Camare does sub 4-sec times.
@NakedTanPanda5 жыл бұрын
Awesome intro as always! I really like these shorter videos too.
@notleoso7 ай бұрын
I might get this car. I don’t car that it’s a V4, it’s a beautiful car, good on gas, and faster than a normal sedan
@epi20455 жыл бұрын
The 2018-2019 V6 Camry has 301hp and does 0-60 in 5.7-5.8 seconds. Please don’t let a Camry smoke this Camaro. Still thinking of the cool Red Camaro in the show Simon and Simon.
@samuelchan95015 жыл бұрын
@@VideoProducification a stock 2.0t Camaro is not doing 5 seconds flat, the V6 doesn't even do 5 flat
@danielsherrill70854 жыл бұрын
I bought a turbo 4 for my gf, and then I kept the car after we broke up. I have done 0-60 in 5.1 and 5.2 seconds repeatedly, on level ground of course, plus I outrun a stock 2008 Bullit Mustang and held a car length on him all the way to 140 mph before traffic made us slow down. These cars are not slow, and they corner like a dream. I would take my '16 turbo 4 Camaro any day of the week over the '96 Z28 I had.
@billplaschka92794 жыл бұрын
No you didn't...
@Blakehenry115 жыл бұрын
4cyl ? No interested. If I want a 4 cyl I'll buy a honda.
@Mario-tl7ff5 жыл бұрын
You'd be better off with a Subaru.
@TheZebadon5 жыл бұрын
@@Mario-tl7ff Yeah, no. I disagree. Subaru's have way too many issues under the hood, blowing gaskets and oil issues being two of them. Honda is the way to go here.
@Mario-tl7ff5 жыл бұрын
@@TheZebadon I was a Honda guy for years before I switched to Subaru. Hondas are great, but just like any car they break if you don't know how to build and tune then correctly. It's the lack of torque and FWD that make Hondas inferior to Subarus.
@NOFATCHICK15 жыл бұрын
@@Mario-tl7ff it's not the lack of torque it's fwd for the majority of Honda's cars & I much rather Honda's 2.0T engine vs Subarus 2.0T, however I rather even have the Honda Civic type R over the Subaru WRX STI. Yeah a FWD Honda absolutely destroys your glorified Subie
@bunk-bn9eo5 жыл бұрын
Then do it.
@americanormuscle232110 ай бұрын
These 4 cylinder Camaros could not keep up with the Z28s or the SSs of the 4th gens. It makes the same amount of power as a 93-95 Z28 but not the torque. In 96, the 5.7 went to 285hp 305-310hp(in the SS), and in 99, the Z28 made 305hp standard before the SS treatment.
@MJC-GSXS7505 жыл бұрын
I would like to see you do a head to head, with the Mustang ecoboost performance pack. I like this Camaro, and think it would be fun with all the bolt ons, tuned. Even put a bigger turbo, making 400+ whp. The 4 banger Camaro definitely doesn"t get even close to as much hate as the 4 banger Mustang LOL. I wonder why?
@studio-flash5 жыл бұрын
£23,821 ($30,000) for this Camaro...wow...why have a crappy hot hatch when you can have this. For the exhaust..get an exhaust for it. Looks alone knock hot hatches for six. RS is rallye sport.
@Mgoblagulkablong5 жыл бұрын
You can get one under $25k (discounts) and without the 1LE track package offers for the base model start under $20k.
@BMWROYAL5 жыл бұрын
studio7 people. Hot hatches for the useable 4 seats and actual trunk space and decent power.
@Game-The-System5 жыл бұрын
@@Mgoblagulkablong Car & Driver says otherwise: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a22842469/2019-chevrolet-camaro-turbo-1le-performance-track/
@chadpugh14904 жыл бұрын
The 3.6 V6 with the 10 spd auto w/ paddle shifters is a great powertrain.
@BuGz_World2 жыл бұрын
not gon lie have not ran into a v6 camaro that can beat my 2.0 yet
@chadpugh14902 жыл бұрын
@@BuGz_World from the factory the 4 banger has more torque than the V6. I'd imagine you win off the line. What about a rolling start say 40?
@BuGz_World2 жыл бұрын
@@chadpugh1490 i did a 40 and 50 but i was tuned by then with cold intake,borla exhaust,zzp downpipe, and my friend in his v6 2021 had cold air and exhaust but i beat him bad
@BuGz_World2 жыл бұрын
@@chadpugh1490 he is auto and Manuel idk if that plays a part as well
@t-lawsfitness60442 жыл бұрын
@@BuGz_World not stock for stock
@joshuakelton83175 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a 2010 camaro 2LT V6 automatic. I think it makes around 306 horsepower.
@rocksjoshua5 жыл бұрын
Put this car up against the ecoboost Mustang. Both are 4-cylnder turbo charged engines, would love to see them two compared on this channel.