202: Ayesha & Battle of Jamal: Did She Violate Verse

This episode is from Chapter 8 of Our Prophet -- the most comprehensive life story (seerah) of Prophet Muhammad (s) by Sayed Mohammed Baqer Qazwini.
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Things you'll learn in this episode of Our Prophet:
00:00 - Summary of the previous discussion
01:34 - Allah's command specific to Prophet's wives
03:45 - Rebuttal by Sunni scholars in defence of Ayesha's violation
05:32 - What stopped Umm Salamah from being in the Battle of Jamal?
10:26 - Why Sawda never performed Hajj/Umrah after Prophet's demise?
11:37 - Examining reports of Ayesha crying in remorse
16:35 - Narrations from Ayesha regretting failure of the battle
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[@iMan-610]

Aisha r.a was among FIRST OF MUHAJIRUNS to whom Allah was pleased and promised Paradise in Quran 9:100. Allah would never be pleased and promise Paradise if she would disobey Prophet a.s and hurt his family.

[@wazzabanzook5028]

may Allah curse whomever hurt the Prophet PBUH and Ahl Albayt

[@rumanaadam7604]

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[@rumanaadam7604]

May the peace and blessıng of Allah (SAW) be upon the prophet and his family

[@hameedchaypo355]

Ameen

[@tasneembootwala8308]

Subhan Allah Another great lecture Allahumma Salle ala Muhammad wa aale Muhammad As the 13 th of rajab is approaching i congratulate all my Muslim brothers and sisters on the birth of our leader ;the commander of faithful; the brother of Rasulullah s.a.w.a.w.s, the lion of ALLAH SWT MAULA ALI A.S. NAARA E TAQBEER ALLAH U AKBAR NAARA E HAIDERY YA ALI ALLAHUMMA SALLE ALA MUHAMMAD WA AALE MUHAMMAD

[@jannisar548]

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[@tasneembootwala8308]

Please keep up the good work May Allah swt bless you Syed And may thaqlain reaches new heights of success in the path of islam Aameen

[@rumanaadam7604]

Bless you more

[@amerj5243]

Always the voice of reason & pure facts, Sayyed Qazweini!!! Undeniable logic! أعلى الله مقامكم 🙏💛

[@RLMNO399_5]

I am sunni, but I agree with shiaa. Aisha was behind the split between us all.

[@25rizwana68]

You should learn again and read more before commenting

[@dxsaqibdy]

No. The stage was set during uthman and cemented during Muawaiya

[@ethandouro4334]

I love the direction this lecture series is going. May Allah bless you and accept your efforts. Love from Brazil.

[@hashh2019]

Are you a revert brother?

[@ethandouro4334]

@@hashh2019 yes

[@hashh2019]

@@ethandouro4334 thats awesome!! may I know how you came to Islam esp shia?

[@ethandouro4334]

@@hashh2019 It's a long story, I basically became a muslim because I missed a friend, but then I realised about shiism when it exposed the fake friends of the prophet

[@nikoutoajaisai6310]

Subhanallah keep up the good work my brother.

[@muhammadkazmi8982]

Salam, will Sayyid discuss Ayesha's role in the problems faced during the burial of Imam Hassan?

[@Thaqlain]

Alaykum Salaam. In Saturday's episode InshaAllah.

[@ethandouro4334]

@@Thaqlain Ooooh I'll be keeping an eye then!

[@user-li9py9rm4x]

​@@Thaqlainthere is no authentic narration or the transmission of chain of this narration is not sahih

[@Abdul-Ali-313]

great lecture

[@cutiestar4560]

Thank you so much for the lectures Syed. May Allah bless you in dunya and akharat 🤲

[@user-li9py9rm4x]

We are the servants of Ahlul Bait a.s and we must adhere there path and way towards other companions of prophet s.a.w.w as same as they did

[@rumanaadam7604]

Asalamunalıakum Alahuma sualıy ala Mohammed waalı Mohammed wa'ajılfarahum

[@eliasuadams]

Keep on enlightening about Shia. We don't know much about them. Salam.

[@asgharasad8031]

I love these videos so much but i wish these conversations took place with sunni scholars too just to see their response. Love the content regardless.

[@Thaqlain]

JazakAllah. However, we feel that even the young followers of Ahlulbayt are missing on a lot of knowledge :)

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[@dxsaqibdy]

His fight is different he is against belief that go against Quran found in both shia annnd sunni. ​@@user-rt6jj8lj6g

[@RAVU514]

Please make a program on exmuslim momentum activits such as SACHWALAJI SAMEER JI SAMEERJI ADAMJI AND SAHILJI

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[@s.nawazishrizvi1646]

I agree with historical veracity. We already know. We are here to educate those who have never had the chance of delving objectively into historical accounts. Captions like these are too offensive to those who glorify these figures. We must display some DISCRETION! They will never listen to an authentic clip with such a repulsive title. Please be careful! There is a thin red line between being objective and being outright offensive.

[@Thaqlain]

Salaam Alaykum. We appreciate your thoughts on this matter. However, the definition of offensive is subjective. What we have observed working on this series of 200+ episodes is, stating clearly what the user should expect while watching the video limits the hate comments. Our purpose has never been to instil hate, which is why we have many Sunnis, reverts and non-subscribers watching this series.

[@arfius6134]

Ya Allah, make my belief firm in the dignity of all the Ummul Mu'mineen, no matter what the disbelievers say whatsoever

[@Thaqlain]

Is this belief required in Islam?

[@dxsaqibdy]

It's not central Tenet of our faith to believe in ameer ul momineen ... Bro i am not shia so use your mind

[@arfius6134]

@dxsaqibdy I am neither shia nor sunni ... but those who GIBAT about them will surely suffer in the hellfire ... they gibat about the one who are way more pious than the whole family of those shias can ever be ... also .. now, use your mind and tell me if you believe the ameerul muminin are faulty, and they are the ones who told and gather hadiths, and that mean you should not believe any hadith at all , right ? Or, if not totally disblv, you shold at least doubt, right ??? all those sahih muslim and buhari are meaningless cuz they are not even written by ameerul muminin or any sahaba ... "It's not central Tenet of our faith to believe in those hadith" .. this sentence is also true in this case right ???? So lets together become disbeliever in every aspect, disblv in sahabas and everyone , only believe in the "central tenets" as u said..... i wait for your reply

[@arfius6134]

@@Thaqlain those who GIBAT about them will surely suffer in the hellfire ... they gibat about the one who are way more pious than the whole family of those shias can ever be ... also .. now, use your mind and tell me if you believe the ameerul muminin are faulty, and they are the ones who told and gather hadiths, and that mean you should not believe any hadith at all , right ? Or, if not totally disblv, you shold at least doubt, right ??? all those sahih muslim and buhari are meaningless cuz they are not even written by ameerul muminin or any sahaba ... "It's not central Tenet of our faith to believe in those hadith" .. this sentence is also true in this case right ???? So lets together become disbeliever in every aspect, disblv in sahabas and everyone , only believe in the "central tenets" as u said..... i wait for your reply

[@laughAFrame]

Don't forget she was the one who said, A SCRIPTURE OF THE QURAN WAS EATEN BY A GOAT, when she came up with a new fitwa that A NON MEHRAM MAN CAN BE MADE MEHRAM BY BREASFEEDING. when people asked where she heard it, she said in QURAN but when I was not in the room a GOAT CAME AND ATE IT. Thw original wordings. "It was narrated by AYESHA that the verse of STONNING and BREASTFEEDING (😳🤦‍♂️) a man 10 times was revealed and the paper was with me under my pillow, and when Prophet died, we were preoccupied with his death and a SHEEP CAME AND ATE IT." The hadeeth where she mentions that by breasfeeding a non Mehram can be made MEHRAM is the hadeeth before this. References: 1: SUNAN IBN E MAAJA JILD # 1 PAGE 543 HADEES # 2014 6: SUNAN IBN E MAAJA JILD #2 PAGE 51 HADEES # 1944 (URDU EDITION) SUNAN IBN E MAAJA, VOLUME # 3, PAGE # 113 HADEES # 1944 (ENGLISH EDITION)

[@laughAFrame]

@Bahrom Olimov It was narrated by AYESHA that the verse of STONNING and BREASTFEEDING an adult man 10 times was revealed and the paper was with me under my pillow, and when Prophet died, we were preoccupied with his death and a SHEEP CAME AND ATE IT. SUNAN IBN E MAAJA JILD # 1 PAGE 543 HADEES # 2014 SUNAN IBN E MAAJA JILD #2 PAGE 51 HADEES # 1944 (URDU EDITION) EGLISH EDITION SUNAN IBN E MAAJA, VOLUME # 3, PAGE # 113 HADEES # 1944

[@iMan-610]

All false hadiths.

[@iMan-610]

Aisha was among FIRST OF MUHAJIRUN(Emigrants) to whom Allah was pleased and promised Paradise in Quran 9:100. Allah would never be pleased if they would disobey Prophet a.s and hurt his family

[@laughAFrame]

@@iMan-610 Umm e Habiba's husband Ubaid Ullah Ibn Jehesh, was also the first of those who brought Eiman , and later turned to christianity, when Prophet was Alive. He was sent to habsha for tableegh and he turned to christianity

[@ElijahKareem]

Assalamualaikum, what are the hadith numbers for that verse about Umm Salamah RA choosing not to follow Ali RA?

[@Thaqlain]

Alaykum Salaam. You mean not choosing to join Imam Ali at Jamal? We will have to ask Sayed about the exact hadith number if that's your question.

[@user-yo1qt5uo8y]

what is the sunni hadith reference of umm salama talking to Ali? jazakallah

[@Thaqlain]

Al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn by al-Hakim al-Naysaburi

[@mubarakalisopori7375]

Please tell me. Can I copy this video on my personal channel ? Isn't there any copyright? Reply importantly.

[@Thaqlain]

Salaam Alaykum. As far as you are not making any modifications, you are allowed to use our content.

[@nemf.696]

Salam Aleikum Sayed Qazwini. I’m Shia. My opinion, and I don’t like defending Ayesha, is that she was NO LONGER the active wife of the Prophet (PBUH) because the Prophet (PBUH) had passed away. She was now a widow or ex-wife of the Prophet (PBUH), not a wife anymore. The marriage bond between her and her husband became null and voided the moment when the Prophet (PBUH) had passed away. Does that make her innocent? My opinion is Ayesha still made wrong by opposing Imam Ali (AS) and the Ahlul Bayt, and was responsible for the deaths that occurred at the Battle of Jamal. But Ayesha simply violating verse 33:33, again in my opinion, I don’t she did. She was not a wife anymore but an ex-wife or widow.

[@Thaqlain]

Alaykum Salaam. The rule was applicable on them specially after Prophet's demise. Because during Prophet's lifetime they already had to take his permission, him being the husband.

[@nemf.696]

@@Thaqlain Salam Sayed…thank you very much for responding. Unfortunately, I still didn’t understand the reason. If possible, please provide a reference to a Quran verse or Hadith that a prophet’s ex-wife or widow has to stay confined to her home even after her prophet husband passes away. I couldn’t find anything in the Quran regarding widows of prophets in this specific regard. The closest thing I found is in Quran verse 2:234 which states that the widow has to wait for 4 months 10 days after the death of her husband before she has total freedom to move on with her life. My logic is this: The wife of a prophet is no longer an ACTIVE wife of a prophet after a prophet passes away. That’s it, the marriage bond had ended when one spouse dies. There is no longer a husband and wife relationship. The woman becomes the ex-wife or former wife of a prophet after death, or widow. So what Ayesha did with regards to the Battle of Jamal is not in violation of Quran verse 33:33 according to common logic. Again, because she was no longer the wife of the Prophet (PBUH) at that point in time because the Prophet (PBUH) was deceased. In other words, Ayesha became a single woman after the death of her husband, and had her total freedom after 4 months and 10 days according to Quran verse 2:234.

[@Thaqlain]

Hadith literature is pretty clear on this matter. That once a woman agrees to marry the Prophet she is married to him for her life and can not marry anyone else. If you have any proves from hadith that present the theory that you are presenting we will be definitely open to look into it.

[@nemf.696]

@@Thaqlain Salam aleikum, I really appreciate you responding, and greatly appreciate the time you are giving me. To be honest with you, I do not go by Hadiths, whether it is Shia or Sunni, and I’m Shia. I go solely by the Quran. The Hadiths are man’s words that can be played with or manipulated by bribes or powerful figures in politics. No matter the source of the Hadith, I cannot have 100% confidence in what is being said. With the Quran, however, I have no doubt whatsoever. I know that a prophet’s wife cannot remarry because the Quran implies it. But the question is not whether she can remarry, but is that, does the widow have to stay put in her house even after her prophet husband passes away? The Hadith you mentioned is that the woman is the wife of a prophet for life. But does the Quran say this? So, if a prophet dies, is his spouse a wife or a widow? In other words, the title of “widow” cannot be applied to a prophet’s wife after the prophet passes away? If it is not worded in the Quran, then I believe this topic is debatable. My conclusion is that Ayesha is a widow who cannot remarry but can leave her house after 4 months 10 days after the death of the Prophet (PBUH) according to the Quran. Did the Prophet (PBUH) forbid or permit Ayesha otherwise? No one knows for sure, so no one can say Ayesha violated verse 33:33 with 100% certainty.

[@Thaqlain]

Had that been the case Umm Salamah and other wives wouldn't have admonished Ayesha when she went to war. Neither Ayesha ever justified. So it seems the understanding of the wives of the Prophet was pretty clear on this matter.

[@thecritiquer9407]

i think she cried bcoz she didn't wanted that verse

[@mohamedabu2540]

Asalamu alykum why shia curse sahaba it is not the sunnah of Rasulullah (saw) you all know the story the people of TAIF near macca they reject the message of ALLAH . Did messenger of ALLAH curse them ? the answer is NO if you love ALLAH follow the sunnah of Rasulullah (saw) instead of cursing the wives of Rasulullah (saw) and sahaba if they make mistakes they are human beings make DUA for them ..... may ALLAH guide us all and make us the people of jannah AMMEN

[@Thaqlain]

Where is the curse?

[@mohamedabu2540]

You know what I mean most shia people curse Abubaker (r.a) omer (r.a) usman (r.a) and mother of the believers

[@mohamedabu2540]

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[@Thaqlain]

Your statement is a generalisation. One should avoid generalisation and should learn about a school from its scholars.

[@Thaqlain]

Out of hundreds of thousands of hours of digital content available, you choose to share Sunnah Discourse which has no aim other than to create discord amongst Muslims. Just one question: Have you seen any hadith from the Imams of Ahlulbayt that attests to the point ritualized cursing mentioned by Sunnah Discourse?

[@s.nawazishrizvi1646]

I think it is better not to use such controversial catchphrases. It can be off-putting. We must let them delve deeper into history. Hence, using such captions defies logic!

[@corpsefoot758]

This violation is not controversial. Anybody who believes so is denying history What’s more, condemnation of Sahaba is found in Bakri sources themselves, such as Bukhari 6586; therefore, if such “controversy” is written down as “Sahih” by millions of Muslims across the planet, then who are we to shy away from it At one time it was dangerous for many Shi’a to highlight such references, because it endangered their lives just to speak on the topic. But now there are two types of Shi’a whose continuing silence is having an adverse effect for educating our Sunni brethren on the error of their ways: 1) Those Shi’a who passively inherited this silence until their voice was simply erased from society (allowing a void which was then filled by Sunni/Takfiri replacements), and 2) Those Shi’a who today are so actively concerned about upsetting their Sunni friends/neighbors/family/spouses (unfortunately) that they simply surrendered the importance of Lady Fatima & her public stance against the crooked Khulafa, abandoning her legacy in an age wherein both the safety of Western countries & the freedom of internet access leave us with no more excuses away from doing our duty

[@s.nawazishrizvi1646]

I agree with historical veracity. We already know. We are here to educate those who have never had the chance of delving objectively into historical accounts. Captions like these are too offensive to those who glorify these figures. We must display some DISCRETION! They will never listen to an authentic clip with such a repulsive title. Please be careful! There is a thin red line between being objective and being outright offensive.

[@s.nawazishrizvi1646]

I hope you read my latter comment.

[@ItachiAli1993]

@@s.nawazishrizvi1646 it doesn't matter if they want to learn or click on this video. Allah is the one who guides. Leave it in His Hands.

[@s.nawazishrizvi1646]

@@ItachiAli1993 I am a devout follower of the Supreme Leader and believe that his discretion is better than ours. We have to be prudent and yet factual!

[@murtazabandali5609]

Crocodile tears.

[@corpsefoot758]

Oh I don’t know, maybe Aisha truly understood what might be waiting for her after this life I remember a similar narration about one of the Khulafa, and his public regret over his prior actions: “Oh if only I was the hair on the chin of a goat”, or something else to that effect

[@corpsefoot758]

@Bahrom Olimov Here’s the one point I struggle with though, before condemning Aisha completely: doesn’t every single sinner feature this same Jahiliyya, because our ongoing sin proves that we’re not so concerned about the punishment waiting for us all in the hereafter? In other words, if someone truly believed in the afterlife & Judgement Day, wouldn’t they be wise enough to never sin in the first place? And since only Masumin are sinless, doesn’t every single Muslim (even Mo’min) still hold SOME level of ignorance, because otherwise we’d never stray from the path for a single moment in this life?🤷‍♂️

[@corpsefoot758]

@Bahrom Olimov Ah, that’s true. Good point I guess technically it’s possible that Aisha eventually repented without it being written down, but you’re right, all of her actions which were recorded definitely do not place her in the best of light. A shame that our Sunni counterparts can’t (or won’t) see this

[@corpsefoot758]

@Bahrom Olimov I see Well then I have no right to speak any further about such a topic when my own personal experience is lacking, and I also congratulate you for finally reaching the Ahlul Bayt through one of the hardest paths possible today. May you be rewarded for that proportionally JazaakAllah Khayr

[@jannisar548]

Shai rawafid Nusairi aren't Muslims Becareful

[@hashh2019]

yea and you are!

[@ethandouro4334]

learn how to spell first, wallah.

[@ItachiAli1993]

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[@khizarabbas7689]

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[@Yondaime_Legacy]

Fabrication of lies against the mother of the believers.

[@Thaqlain]

Salaam Alaykum. We understand that the points mentioned here are new for you, but an allegation of sharing lies requires proves from your side :)

[@Yondaime_Legacy]

@@Thaqlain I don't need to spend time with you kafirs (shias)

[@Thaqlain]

JazakAllah. Thanks for dropping by :)

[@Yondaime_Legacy]

@@Thaqlain Jazakallah?! Just say what you kafirs say jazakaali

[@Thaqlain]

JazakAllah. Once again :)