2020 Honda City | The benchmark's new normal | PowerDrift

The Honda City is a car with a story and it's a legend that has defined, and redefined, what cars of its class are expected to do, be good at and offer to customers. So every new generation of the Honda City is an important marker of what is to come. In the current times of the pandemic, this is all the more important as the focus on private transport has never been so sharp. And here, then is the fifth generation of the City. It's larger, has more space in the back, more features, sweet new styling as well as new engines. Is this the new benchmark? Is this is the new normal for the D-segment? Rohan heads out of the city in the City to find out.
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#PDArmy, after a long wait, the 2020 Honda City is finally here! Tell us below what do you think about it? If you love it, give the video a Like, and if you have a friend who should check it out, Share the video with them!

[@justaregularguy711]

Wat about speedometer console...is it fully digital or not??😑

[@harshithsadhana7475]

front is a bit polarizing and rear end is an Audi or vw or a hyundai just a copy cat car, i used see Honda as innovative crazy in design like 80s 90s hondas in foreign countries. people like those cars alot why not bring a car with those is crazy designs.

[@umeshhcsoni]

Is an evolution hardly an revolution ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. Power drift ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@sabirahamed5086]

sir kindly recommend me a c segment sedan petrol manual driving enthusiast car

[@harshithsadhana7475]

@@sabirahamed5086 try toyota, because vw has dsg gearbox no good and they cheat on mileage, honda became worst. Nissan is no good, renault had good cars with worst exterior,

[@Rohit10394]

Rohan just hits it out of the park❤️ Sublime review man, take a bow!

[@rohanalbal3158]

Thank you Rohitashaw

[@powerdriftofficial]

Glad you liked it so much, Rohitashaw!

[@anandnarayanan8433]

Take a bow indeed! Great review mate

[@rohitbhosale4497]

2:13 how the old Honda City just show's up 😅 nice moveee.

[@rohanalbal3158]

They looked good together

[@powerdriftofficial]

We swear, we didn't plan it! :P

[@gauravmanjrekar7247]

Indeed that wasnt planned it seems

[@DhirajPatil73]

1:16 Come on man! It looks better than before? The earlier City was the best looking car in the whole segment!

[@rafiqk1290]

exactly...u just stole my hearts voice...

[@almetals]

Even the 2009 ivtec model doesn't look too outdated in its styling.

[@imsrini6013]

Agree

[@SaurabhKamble140]

This one looks shit compared to previous 2 models.

[@photo_magicshots]

Looks like a comment from a loyal/biased Honda buyer, his statement was very right, it's an evolution not revolution. The style statement is okissh not mind blowing like we get in Elantra etc.

[@saurabhnagarkar654]

What a presentation...!!! Ten hut is in a different league all together. He oozes so much of oomph.

[@oggyboy4717]

Do all the youtube channels have their whtsapp group, as all the Honda City reviews frm all the leading KZbin channels uploaded at the same time, but I chose powerdrift and the 85th viewer of Urs.....

[@powerdriftofficial]

It was an embargo set by the manufacturer, comrade.

[@DataDrivenDrive]

I never knew Rohan is 6'2 tall. TenHut is a TallHut.

[@dr.ranadhishrajan2797]

Same here😶😶

[@sharathatchandra]

Surprised me too..

[@rohanalbal3158]

Lol. I like the name TallHut better

[@arpansolomon7572]

Doesn't look that tall, I was surprised too

[@vishnu7hs]

Its an evolution, hardly a revolution! That really stuck it man. Great job on the video.

[@powerdriftofficial]

Haha! Thanks a ton, Vishnu!

[@manuraj7323]

Rohan, it's because of you and your PD Army auto reviews I bought 2 vehicles. KTM 200 and the all new Honda City 2020 top of the line version... Thanks guys.... You people are amazing..., Love you all

[@priyamshukla5372]

Top gear ruined Chris Harris on Cars. While, powerdrift isn't Chris Harris on Harris, even then they gathered a special spot. They have improved a lot and there's a lot which can be improved further. While miles ahead of it's Indian competitors, still have miles to go. I'm sure they will be one day. Also, Rohan is sublime. A gem.

[@abhikdas5518]

Hey thanks Priyam and yes, we definitely have miles to go but we’re also upping the game as with each passing mile. :)

[@PRATHAM1991]

Ten Hut, I always loved your presentation on Honda city, your 2014 Honda City video is still saved in my KZbin gallery, you just nailed it, bdw from your review itself I buyed that car in 2014, and its still with me, and i must say it was best decision I took then.. lovely car really. And your videos too.

[@rohanalbal3158]

Wow great to know you are happy with you buy. Thanks for the kind words too Pratham. See you

[@SahilKumar-zh5xd]

Bought* not buyed

[@shabilmohiddin4125]

This is a perfect review...upto to the point, covered everything and most importantly short and sweet....other's are like telling their life stories along with the review....these people actually deserve more views and subscribers....keep up the good work

[@rohanalbal3158]

Thanks Moto Craze. I see a Motoring Fan in you

[@shabilmohiddin4125]

@@rohanalbal3158 ✌

[@rahulrnambiar5609]

What a way to start the day. Thanks tenhut ! I still believe type 2 vtec is the most fun to drive honda city ever made !

[@rohanalbal3158]

I agree. The new manual 1.5 petrol doesn't disappoint though

[@yash6461]

I owned the 4 gen Honda City Diesel. It was a well rounded package. The 5th gen could have been better designed. Looks could have been a bit radical ala Civic. Selling the 5th gen alongside the prev gen model defies logic. Honda should give it a second thought. PowerDrift reviews as always are Powerful and never drift from its aim of delivering the best automotive content 👍🏻

[@smartaayush]

Honda City owner here too ..... I'm in love with the exteriors of this car but the interiors aren't honda level . I especially hate the infotainment system which looks like a cheap after market one

[@srinitaaigaura]

Wait for the Honda City Hybrid to come. 1.5 L NA engine with an e motor that's almost as powerful.

[@prahladdwivedi3995]

I would still prefer the 3rd generation City over this one. I don't belong to the rear seat.

[@prashanthcharlapally1226]

Times hav changed from...... manual- also offering automatic........ to ....... automatic- also offering manual !!!! Btw powerdrift reviews are as crisp as anyone wants.... no nonsense. No lag. Jus on sweet spot!!!!

[@powerdriftofficial]

Haha! Thanks, Prashanth! The tables have turned in the world of gearboxes. The automatics were once considered an added luxury but have almost become a necessity because of their convenience.

[@arunsanand260]

I am both subscriber of *power drift*and Auto car india . This channel made me to feel that I have watched a movie... By the way who writes these dialogues it's too amazing..

[@powerdriftofficial]

That compliment means a lot to us, Arun! Thank you! :D

[@rohitbhatia90]

This review is exactly why we take PD reviews seriously. No unnecessary showering of praises like some other reviewers. Explained honestly from the perspective of the buyer, the car owner, the one who wants to sit at the back, the person who'd drive this everyday. What is the new normal? This review should be!!!

[@jeevanjose1000]

2:16 Pun Intended!😂 Everyone is a boss until you see him on the side mirrors🔥😍

[@jayakrishnantu3265]

പുതിയ ഹോണ്ട സിറ്റി കൊള്ളം പക്ഷെ front ഗ്രിൽ 2017 ഹോണ്ട സിറ്റി ആണ് നല്ലതു(my opinion)

[@govindsankar9788]

True.but not ugly like the new verna

[@antonyjikku2519]

True

[@TechiesBGM]

2017 city sportier look 🔥

[@jayakrishnantu3265]

@@govindsankar9788 അതെ

[@jinujp6294]

Grill amaze pole ind 😅

[@darshansangawar6829]

Rohan my mannn ..... you should make more car review videos, I love them..... One thing: I have seen a lot of people complaining about the way you guys make review videos, but I should say that I love your way (even if few find it the unconventional way)......... But then that is what differs you guys from others and that is what makes you #Powerdrift .............

[@powerdriftofficial]

Hey Darshan, thank you so much for that compliment. We did set out be different than others, and we shall continue on this path! And we're always ears for a good feedback! :D

[@abhirams615]

Finally after some time we get to see ROHAN. With another review Was really missing you Rohan And the powerdrift styles

[@raunakajinkya90]

There's a lot more coming, don't you worry.

[@AATANK1804]

Its like a gem. This car is a gem in a controlled price. Go for it blindly.

[@chinmaykole7834]

Still my 2019 Honda City looks better than 2020 City. Love for Honda City & Powerdrift Forever ❤️

[@bishaldas13]

Powerdrift's whole group explains better than any other channel, sweet and soothing to ears....especially motorbeam...Faisal khan jst shouts loud...

[@MANOJKUMAR-96]

Team Powerdrift itna Perfact work kaise kar lete ho.🙏

[@powerdriftofficial]

Bas aaplogon ki dua se, Manoj ji! :D

[@Anupv]

It is just phenomenal.. Am driving the 4th gen city and still feels great and looking at 5th.. It is so much like the civic.. One word.. WOW

[@RishabKapadia]

Like always. As rohan says in the video, trying to be the better version. Probably the only Indian car review channel I have come across with such engaging presence. Rohan, what a presentation bro, storytelling skill and the writter...Simply wow. It simply doesn't matter if you review a Merc or a Honda, the content quality is always at the highest level. This channel should be(probably might be) listed in the top 10 global car reviews list & ofcourse great work by the entire team of video edits, audio, etc... THANK YOU

[@ANURAGKUMAR-od7ug]

Rohan i do not wait for the car..wait for you being in that car review !!

[@raunakajinkya90]

You and me both, Anurag.

[@rohanalbal3158]

You are too nice Anurag. Thanks :)

[@swapnarunbanerjee2224]

That last concluding sentence Damn Mr. Albal That was so smooth nd awesome Not just a review conclusion... A life lesson as well

[@Rathoresid7]

Rohan is just the best presenter on par with top gear cast! I eagerly wait for your videos PD! Also, We need more cars like Rohan's Evo not all plush, comfy, low powered cars!

[@rohanalbal3158]

Siddhartha Singh Rathore. Thank you for your kind words. Evo ? Jo hukum

[@promilkumar5569]

We missed you rohan!!! It was a missing spot... Can't say about the car but, the review surely seems exciting and serves the enthusiasm!!!

[@powerdriftofficial]

We missed you too, #PDArmy!

[@angad117]

I’ve lost count of how many times I watched this video. Rohan is the best story teller of all time ❤❤

[@AmalSKuriakose]

That's just a class review of the City! Nice to see Rohan as well! :) Good to see you guys are back and safe! Stay safe!

[@powerdriftofficial]

Thanks a ton, Amal! We are glad to meet the #PDArmy again! We have more coming up for you guys!

[@rShubham17]

both city and verna are good... Verna plus points: -much better diesel engine -more better build quality -more features -more stunning alloys Now honda city plus point -better petrol engine -Very good steering feedback -more spacious -better fuel economy

[@AkshayNariyani]

I dont understand what you mean by built quality? If you mean it terms of safety than you should know that the City even the older one has scored 5 stars while it is 4 for Verna.

[@karnesh7]

Your reviews are of another level. No competitor hands down!

[@powerdriftofficial]

Thank you so much for that, Karnesh! :D We hope you always Like and Share our videos!

[@kalachar]

I watched the video again and again..not for the City..But, for the Powerdrift !! Except for Rohan tummy, it's as good as car videos can get 😀😀

[@shantanusingh9571]

I think manufacturers should stop producing commercials when #Powerdrift is here, these guys are so talented and skilled! Kudos team pd! You nailed it again!

[@Sigma3095]

The way you explain makes me drool for this car. I want this to be my first car. Thank you for thie video i take it as my birthday gift.

[@powerdriftofficial]

Many, many happy returns of the day, Sai!

[@rohanalbal3158]

Happy Birthday Sai. Good luck!

[@harshaokin8064]

wow finally tenhut on the screen! with an actual true blue powerdrift review. weirdly nice car,this new city. how i wish it had a torque converter, instead of the CVT. anyways, the highlight of this video was rohan saying how tall he is. my jaws were all on the floor. really, rohan? wow!

[@AnoopSingh-pd1jh]

i love....your...all videos...the ways you guys..create & mix music.....i..love...it..

[@highwaysandcountryroads]

Rohan needs to spend some of his free time in his home gym! Just as everyone of us do! We may not like it, but it certainly is the "New Normal"!

[@rohanalbal3158]

Hahaha. True.

[@rplusgdj]

PD reviews have become very long advertisements instead of reviews. But this one is a very honest review, thanks for highlighting downsides. This type of reviews will be helpful to buyers for sure. Only suggestion i've is, focus little bit more on NVH and build quality. For some buyers like me, these might be deciding factors.

[@sksingh7732]

With new City Honda has really raised a bar in this segment......Specially in looks OMG....it look fantabulos

[@aswin5792]

Thank God, you guys gave away with the top and bottom black bars and made use of the compete aspect ratio 🤩 Great video as usual!!

[@RBJLetsUnravel]

wow wow wow..I care least about the car but the video is just wow...those 3 beat cuts, background score n transitions are super awesome..It was as if you hold a stallion for so long and then when you release him, he goes all out...Great work PD Team..Great to see an awesome video after so long... waiting for MORE...

[@powerdriftofficial]

Glad to hear that compliment from you, comrade! We were itching to make a proper drive/ride video for quite some time now, and we go the City just in time! And now, we have a few more things in our hands! ;)

[@sunilvarmadatla]

It became new norm for reviewers calling Maruti designs bland and dull.. I feel Ciaz looks more classy than new generation City. Verna has lost it totally with new generation.

[@shshashiekhar]

Rapid classiest

[@MG-fp8hj]

Wider and bigger tyres and This City would be Top notch

[@shivamrastogi172]

Hey huge fan of your channel But this time the presentation of Your video was amazing even the camera man and the shorts that were taken was too good that cannot be compared to any of the video that has been placed on KZbin I guess if someone is actually not planning to buy Honda city and at the same time when I show this video to him or her , he or she would definitely buy the car In short this is the best Honda city review that I have seen till The dateMoreover the song and the video editing also played an equal part in this presentation and I hope that you and your team would do the same for viewers like us specially the young generation because this is something of our time which we like to see how the Car is going to be like if we use it in our own way

[@harik2501]

Hi PowerDrift please help me out in buying my first car I’m confused between jazz and old generation Honda city which one should I pick

[@kirtandodia9619]

I like all Powerdrift videos and specially I like Rohan Albal videos because of his stylish explaination that makes video more attractive and touchy till end. Great style dude and came after long time. Nice Honda city vdo, By the way, pls upload new verna 2020 video also.

[@saurabhsulikeri3380]

Rohan ......ur shades are nice 😜 About car - honda city is stil the old hero in new avatarr🤩🤩

[@bonvoyageVinay]

The flow of this review under Ten hut is just smooth like the Honda City 😂

[@mirzamohsin786]

Finally a good choreographed video from PowerDrift !!

[@raunakajinkya90]

Finally? Our other videos aren't bad, either, Mirza Mohsin :)

[@rajeevgerardbrown6476]

I booked the New Honda City! However, PowerDrift's bell notification woke me up from my dream. And here I am enjoying this splendid review.

[@powerdriftofficial]

Though, after watching it, what do you think about the new City?

[@rajeevgerardbrown6476]

@@powerdriftofficial I'll wait for some more competition!!

[@aviralhlt]

Great video, loved the colour grade. Did you guys shift to S Log or is this because of a camera upgrade? Asking because Powerdrift is as loved by film makers as much as it is loved by car enthusiasts and I happen to be both ;)

[@powerdriftofficial]

Hey, thank you for that compliment, Aviral! We did some thinking about #PDArmy's feedback, in the lockdown! And we shall now make even better content than before!

[@rohanalbal3158]

It was on PP4 not S Log. The man behind camera was singhajaydotcom on Instagram. Hit him up !

[@aviralhlt]

Rohan Albal Yes I follow him on insta already, infact the almost all your camera and edit team, I admire their work :D

[@souledonwheels]

Nice review, #Powerdrift and #Rohan! So this time around, #AutocarIndia started their review of the new Honda City with "New Normal" (Title of PD's video) and PD ends their video with " Evolution or Revolution" (Title of Autocar's video)! What's cooking guys?!🤪

[@ejazahmed3478]

Hahahaha..Ten Hut pulls a fast one on Autocar on their Evolution or Revolution title for the new Honda City review...Yes, they did not answer that even after asking the question!

[@raunakajinkya90]

No comment :)

[@ejazahmed3478]

@@raunakajinkya90 cheeky as hell ;)

[@rvipul86]

Finally after long time we could have short video with the detail information 👍🍻

[@raunakajinkya90]

Rohan has an uncanny knack of doing that, yep. Thanks for the watch!

[@rvipul86]

@@raunakajinkya90 Hey Raunak there is lot pending on you guys, awaiting review specifically for Nissan kicks 1.3

[@raunakajinkya90]

@@rvipul86 All in good time!

[@larsenation]

Subtle aggression! Can feel each and every angle of his crafted speech 👍

[@rohanalbal3158]

Glad you liked it !

[@sahilsiddiqui17]

Nothing is better than Rohan Sir Reviewing A Honda City, I really like his Voice and his shades too. 😎

[@abhikdas5518]

Hey, me too, big fan of @RohanAlbal!

[@sahilsiddiqui17]

@@abhikdas5518 I am a big fan Of Gel Boy too!

[@siddhantsabharwal]

Rohan is literally the best 💯

[@Alex_WorldWideWeb]

How Powerdrift has changed😢😢.. You guys were the leading KZbin channel for cars and bikes in India...somehow something got miss somewhere

[@konarkmohanty8597]

Now there's a fantastic first drive review! Really don't understand why Honda cars and bikes just don't give us all the bells and whistles! Emphasis on watching this till the end! #PDArmy

[@powerdriftofficial]

Thanks Konark! Manufacturers keep some features out to keep the costs low.

[@tusharmahant2788]

As always , powerdrift giving a feel to the vehicles.

[@powerdriftofficial]

Thank you Tushar, glad you liked it!

[@vishnusimba6136]

Damn another step ahead 🔥 Having owned 2 Honda city's of 2 different generations, this one looks mental 😎

[@powerdriftofficial]

Will you for this one too?

[@manikandanshankhar7637]

2:15 hey there brother

[@rohitkore3797]

Rohan albal at his best ❤️❤️

[@rohanalbal3158]

Yay! More incoming

[@rohitkore3797]

Appriciated sir❤️

[@ridersparadise123]

Ten hut is back in action 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@rohanalbal3158]

Been long. Feeling good

[@powerdriftofficial]

He was never out of it! Always planning for his next move! :P

[@ridersparadise123]

@@rohanalbal3158 ❤️

[@mayankmotoVlogger]

Rohan make my day what a presentation ... Fan boy of Rohan

[@rohanalbal3158]

Cheers Mayank

[@Dilsher9494]

Really love ur videos and kind of ur presentation. Moreover than the car , i like the way u describe it. Bring it more on it . PD❤️

[@rohanalbal3158]

Thanks Shamsher. Credit to the one who shot it.

[@navjotsingh3888]

You guys are generous and intelligent unlike other hard plastic soft plastic door thud guys :D

[@iamakkkshay]

Superb directions and cinematography by the team. Loved the grade

[@powerdriftofficial]

Thank you so much, Akshay! That means a lot to the entire team!

[@sparmar88]

I love the way you talk and represent the things..its like watching my favourite actors oscar winning movie..so much nostalgia

[@saiswaroopdesai5263]

Man, this lockdown seemed to part us away from PD guys untill today ❤️🔥💪

[@abhikdas5518]

Different scenarios and drastic changes take a bit of time to get used to but we’ll be back with more soon.

[@saiswaroopdesai5263]

Yes Abhik can't wait!

[@rahulgera3755]

Song Name - BLUE NOIZ (BNZ) - BNZ-0014 - TRAP V GRIME (Super Lago)

[@akashsahay5240]

Is the song used in last?

[@rahulgera3755]

@@akashsahay5240 dancing with the stars by jorden milnes

[@harshaldeshpande9005]

@Rahul Gera can you please tell me the name of the song used at 3:43..? Much appreciated if you can.! ♥

[@harshaldeshpande9005]

can you please tell me the name of the song used at 3:43..? Much appreciated if you can.! ♥

[@rahulgera3755]

@Harshal Deshpande Another Average Day by Unite & Baron Feeley

[@sourabhmarje]

Great to see PD back in action after a long time ✌ Awesome PD❤

[@powerdriftofficial]

And there's more where this came from! ;)

[@sahil-zd8kf]

Finally rohan out of ages.

[@amitsajith6567]

the only reason i like power drift the review and photography and videography hats off to the videographer

[@tejaspadhye]

How is the music always so spot on? Ofcourse the hosts are never a surprise, they nail it every time :D

[@powerdriftofficial]

Legend has it that the editors have been blessed with a divine power! :P

[@fbkensarhd5279]

so basically, no gimmicks and just pure brutal space and reliability.

[@sachinhonnal2226]

There is no other automotive channel which is so powerfull in presentation. BGM is top which synch so well with cars to b reviewed. One suggestion though, would like to see more explanation abt vehicle.

[@abhikdas5518]

Thanks Sachin and first drives are always on a tight schedule but we’re sure to be spending more time with the car soon to know and tell you more about it.

[@sachinhonnal2226]

@@abhikdas5518 appreciate it. 👍 Keep up the good work.

[@vinubabu6396]

We need the review of the Honda City. Not the efficiency of PD camera man and editor. You guys got the Subscribers because of the that quality in Video only. The data is limited and which wont help a customer to buy the car. Thank you

[@raunakajinkya90]

Thanks for the feedback, Vinu babu. What you would keep in mind is that this was just a quick first look. Time on hand to shoot this sort of video is very limited. That said, we tend to address this issue once we get the car for a longer duration, and that'll show in the kind of video we put up. Stay tuned!

[@waveringmindz]

What’s the extra pipe going to the engine chamber. 4 cylinders are fine. Is that the special inlet that features VTC ?

[@dhruvjaaiin]

Was really hoping to get ventilated seats and hybrid system in New 2020 City. No front parking sensors, no tyre pressure monitoring system. Also with all LED headlamp setup, it's difficult to drive in foggy conditions. At least fog lamps should be halogen or HID 3000K OR 4300K.

[@shubhamghag6934]

Im just happy that Rohan is back! Back with a bang an excellent reviewer

[@rohanalbal3158]

Thanks Shubham

[@shivamkrs]

Rohan's reviews just hits us at the right spot..... Love it man... Just a small request.. Please add the name of songs used in the description... 🤩

[@Abhinandhana.]

PD ARMY KERELA 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@rohanalbal3158]

Sup

[@powerdriftofficial]

Hey, welcome, Abhinand! We hope you are well!

[@Abhinandhana.]

@@powerdriftofficial🔥 ❤️👍

[@jayakrishnantu3265]

ഹലോ...

[@milindjadhav2046]

Brother ur tummy is getting out of shape..... lockdown effect 🤣🤣🤣

[@rohanalbal3158]

And they say its still not over. Nom nom nom

[@milindjadhav2046]

@@rohanalbal3158 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@_P.K.]

its the new norm!

[@eliavishal7933]

@@_P.K. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@RadhakrishnanMudliar]

Can you please share your experience with the ground clearance of Honda city? Is this a good option for a bad road with 5 adults? will it scrape the bottom easily?

[@AryanDeep7]

why powerdrift is talking about wireless charging and adjustable headrest and not about the V-TECH motor or the performance?

[@raunakajinkya90]

That'll come soon once we do a detailed review!

[@fourfirefoxes]

The other question is, "what happened to the engines of that bird in the background?" That's just old but abnormal .. The City is new; but just normal

[@prajwalnaveen1376]

Rohan and Reviews are a match made in heaven. We need your reviews more man♥️

[@meerak1381]

Power Drift Pls Make A Video With Amaze,City,Civic,Accord The Honda Squad It Would Be Awesome

[@powerdriftofficial]

Oooh! That seems liike a nice idea! Thank you! :D

[@Rahul_singh_tomar]

City model make sense now Only 3 variants like us and German They only made fuel choice no bullshit variant Manual petrol or diesel

[@whathappensif3810]

Your bike reviews are better than the car reviews.

[@gopikrishna8681]

Lets keep aside the review of this phenomenal car coz you know its Rohan it is going to be awesome. But what i wanna request the powerdrift team is to make a spotify playlist or any kind of link for all the music you use as your bgms. These musics give a different feel to the video, and i would love to hear these songs when i am on the wheel.

[@deepakanair5032]

They should atleast have given a torque converted auto. That would have just made it a lot more appealing than what the competition offers.

[@sajjadsalihvk3187]

It would be good if you had presented the new honda connectivity feature too...