2020 Supra B58 Engine Teardown - First Look - Better than the 2JZ?

[@sunkingozy5051]

Its cool to watch Jonny Sins's and Vin Diesel's cousin working on this engine

[@Jacobskibros]

Umm... man.... That's Dom Terretto. Now we know he's not just a factory Dodge sponsored crime fighting criminal.

[@DhirC35]

Johnny sins🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jdea1817]

Lmaooooo

[@ALSPEHEIR]

I just google Jonny Sins to see who he was. I should not have done that :(

[@SimonSez83]

johnny who ?

[@braydencooper7482]

I love how the car is new enough that he tore it apart and is now probably one of the most experienced mk5 mechanics

[@Ostentatious24]

Most experienced MK5 mechanic? Lol You mean he basically just became a typical BMW inline 6 mechanic?

[@jdenha7078]

@@Ostentatious24 don't be too naive, he just rebuilt a 2jz weeks ago

[@ihtruong0822]

@@jdenha7078 He wasn't questioning his skills just that the Supra Is mainly made of BMW parts

[@N11-o6j]

@@Ostentatious24 YUP

[@liljon454502]

BMW techs are already the most experienced

[@DanielSantos-jv5me]

The real Toreto tearing down an engine, wow.

[@mezo72271]

But he didn't say 'family'

[@fredorincon9393]

@@mezo72271 he said "familia"

[@buiItnotbought]

Now me and the mad scientist gotta pull apart the block and change the piston rings you fried

[@zolikoff]

He looks like half Toreto, when in trouble he seeks out his twin brother, and fusion HA into Full Toreto

[@buiItnotbought]

Vin diesel likes fishsticks?

[@DonBMW]

These dudes are at just another level. When you are making a bracket for an engine on the fly, that's just madness.

[@MrMannyhw]

No madness. Just old school machinist skill.

[@squirrel6687]

Not really. Many Japanese engines, including the KL series from Mazda, suggest such a mount in the Dealer's OEM service manual. That's from the 90's. Easily impressed?

[@DonBMW]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@squirrel6687;@mrmannyhw Must remember. Some folks skill are non existent. The genius from old is new or unknown to the new generation. I was happy I could find a bolt and washer to replace an old one. When i saw this I was blown away.

[@Rb25patrol]

Really enjoyed watching Vin Diesel take it apart as you narrated the video

[@mthobisilucky2186]

😁😁😁

[@stevie-1154]

I was thinking the same 😂😂

[@graphicscardtech3167]

You’re fuck up man lol 😂

[@deanfriesen4946]

I love the way you describe every piece as it was being taken off.......top notch education. Thank you!

[@mrpantur7280]

Yep .. Ive learnt more from KZbin than I did in my MACHANICS class.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@UC4_hROdH7_Oc4CPH7c-E0Rg this B58 is the modular predecessor of the N54/55 but is now closed deck with diesel components shared from the B57 has forged internals and crankshaft with a high pressure fuel system(that's only in the mk5s B58 not BMW's)has more oil squirters than a normal B58,engine is already hitting over 700hp on stock block and internals with a tune,bigger turbo,and downpipe unopened and has yet to hit its limit in hp. Current mk5 record of hp(for RN)is 527hp with only a tune and downpipes so numbers should climb even high as companies continue the R&D for it.

[@terrytheterryible2944]

I'd say pulling the trans would be the process simply for engine mount reasons. leaving it in the car seems way better than pulling.

[@fastundercoverkitgoogle7381]

My comment is probably gonna drown in an ocean of other comments, but Steph, if you see this, I want you to know how grateful I am that you are giving us all this knowledge!

[@justinzuniga3828]

FastUnderCoverKitGOOGLE boy did you get that one wrong and I’m glad you did!

[@fastundercoverkitgoogle7381]

Justin Zuniga Had I known that I would have written a more thoughtful message, but I'm sure the amount of likes speaks volumes more of our appreciation for this content.

[@evansorensen]

FastUnderCoverKitGOOGLE you can edit it and write more

[@mikev2116]

Who cares

[@sariahreigns3666]

@@fastundercoverkitgoogle7381 i clicked like for that comment too. I may have a problem with the engine but Stephen is a legend and he didnt have to do this video. You rock stephan and thankyou so much for everything you have and will continue to do for us!

[@robertm3029]

Great- no fluff, just a constant flow of interesting information. Well done, thank you!

[@Jzx100]

Yay, timing chain on the rear of the engine. Servicing is going to be soooo much fun... 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

[@Pogaspm]

Unless something goes really wrong, you don't need to change it.

[@Jzx100]

@@Pogaspm ...or you need to change cams etc.

[@fatcatsgang]

It’s really easy with the right tools

[@Forgan_Mreeman]

@@fatcatsgang it's even easier when you have a lot of money

[@randommitsu6098]

@@fatcatsgang Nothing easy about having to pull a motor to change your timing chain. Super inefficient design. Otherwise the motor seems decent.

[@magzire]

Not in a million years would I be able to put that back together

[@arcadiagreen150]

Exactly my thoughts

[@a_tacolypse]

Doesn't look too hard. Just like any other engines, follow sequence and torque specs. Other than the modified engine stand, just a few special tools.

[@YoBoyNero]

Doesn't seem too difficult tbh

[@ethanschocke4746]

Its actually relatively easy to do. Ive only taken apart old ls drag blocks before but this is much simpler than old ls6 ss blocks

[@Cole_King]

I can do it with my eyes closed.

[@gusparra4037]

I can’t believe you took that whole engine apart in only 14 minutes and 19 secs.

[@joanferra3395]

Yeah thats so fast

[@MikkaPower]

It’s filmed in fast motion Big brain moment

[@mikev2116]

LOL!!!!!!

[@lj6284]

MikkaPower small brain bad

[@hathaway.1166]

MikkaPower r/woooosh

[@lilken21]

This honestly made me give the B58 credit. Very nicely built! Despite the cons of course. Like that timing chain location. OUCH! Leaning towards getting a Supra.

[@RDSAlphard]

Wait a second... 1000 horsepower, new Supra, B58. So, Aasbo is getting a new car? XD

[@FredricAasbo]

RDS Alphard Wouldn’t that be something!

[@bergrud]

Could be for his Norway car.

[@ogland6482]

there's already one being tested. its either ken gushi or daijiro yoshihara.

[@alexmanitiu21]

Reality? Yes but that one is running a 2jz. I’m really curious to see what the new engine is capable of

[@ribbles1699]

@Cole Fawcett the "other" version of the B58 (m240i and others - the Supra version is a mild step up) is at over 700whp and climbing. Japanese tuners get a hold of this (big market) and 1,000 looks easy. A lot of motors can claim that number, but it's a matter of how much money it costs to get it there. I wouldn't personally want anything more than 500, and that's easy.

[@ne1273]

Made it look so easy,,, I’d be looking at it thinking,, “What have I done”.

[@lex4lyfe870]

Lol

[@TheLondonCyclist]

Haha 'oh no, what have I just done'

[@krunkage1]

woops, There goes my warranty

[@jayrob403]

Good thing he recorded himself doing the entire breakdown!

[@richiemiami]

Oh, boy will girlfriend's Supra ever run again? yikes!

[@wh4tevercomest0mind41]

Timing chain in the back...... sounds like an expensive repair. (4.2 litre Audi)

[@Jester123ish]

It would typically be an engine out operation to replace the chain and guides, I'm thinking this is actually easier, less accessories in the way.

[@wh4tevercomest0mind41]

@@Jester123ish probably, I mean I'm not a mechanic just seemed like a bad idea especially with how things went well with those Audi V8s, granted a V8 is more complex than an inline 6.

[@BF109G4]

You are right, this engine is so complicated

[@Luckingsworth]

Chains should never need replacement. By the time it needs replacement the engine needs a full overhaul and rebuild anyway.

[@santabeefy]

Audi put it in the back also for weight. On the new Audi’s they also reduced the cam gear size but added a heavy Partikel Filter

[@maneki9neko]

This is very helpful. I have never seen a state of the art engine completely dismantled, like this. When I started out in the trade, we rebuilt engines all the time. These days it is rare. Used engines in acceptable condition are cheap and plentiful. I am impressed that you understand features like the rod bearing caps that were fractured to create a unique surface pattern, such that they would re-assemble more precisely. BMW has been building overhead cam,in-line six cylinder engines now for 100 years. The IIIA was introduced in 1917. Four generations of BMW engineers have worked on this platform. I found it very useful to be walked through the current iteration of the design.

[@mcnycz6813]

Guys This dude just opend unscrewd the whole engine and didn't lose any parts....

[@MR_71_BLACKBIRD]

They didnt show him clearing out the rats nest of tubes and wires

[@MyIronman8]

Ya he did an good job taking it an part

[@danielmarshall4587]

AND he takes the engine to another room to work on it, THAT IS SOME NEXT LEVEL SHIT.

[@bmw328igearhead]

Yeah....it's called not being a mouth breathing twat. Some people are capable of putting stuff back together too.

[@ilynpayne7491]

Where was my slow mind I could have lost every bolts and nuts within 5 seconds

[@charliefrharper]

What a great video! No BS music just plane information from a qualified guy! Well done... subbed

[@CompressorSurge]

Charlie Harper we need more of these kinds of videos

[@Cre8tive81]

Too bad all the effort was wasted on a Z4. Shoulda done a corvette.

[@HiDDENk00l]

I believe it was car information, not plane information.

[@Alex-yo3vm]

nonono i read so much more ACTUAL REAL INFORMATION from super duper experts here in the youtube comments. mostly of kids and idiots thinking they could do better and instantly know anything that is wrong with the engine or the supra itself. "this engine will fail. 2JZs NEVER BRAKE even with 500000HP !!!11!!!" or "I am actually 12 years old and saved my milk money. no i have 34,28$ but there is one thing i know for sure. I AM NOT BUYING THAT STUPID PIECE OF SHIT WANNABE SUPRA. FUCK OFF TOYOTA. WONT GET MY MONEY" btw talking about potential a german youtuber and tuner did a video today, where they JUST did software and nothing else, got it up to 420hp & 460lb/ft. 60-120mph in 8 seconds, which is on par with a porsche gt3 rs. but yeah i guess there is no potential, when 65000€ stock + software keeps up with a 200000€ performance sportscar acceleration wise. DAMN TOYOTA YOU DID DO A BAD JOB :(

[@hutchdw77]

You do a great job with your videos. Good information Good tempo Good production Thank you.

[@brapbrapbrapbrapbrapbrapbrap]

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NO MUSIC.

[@Twobarpsi]

@@brapbrapbrapbrapbrapbrapbrap lol right!

[@fanuelmopyenlmopyeni952]

Dustin Hutchinson

[@HiVoltish]

Well said.

[@Hellcatvsworld]

even time the whole video is 15 min!

[@Sna66.1]

he went 13 minutes without saying "BMW"

[@mkvB58KING]

He didn't have to, it was stamped on almost every part he touched 😂

[@Tankerpaul223]

He was balls deep in a BMW the entire time lol

[@StockTurboN20]

Ha

[@mechanikos84]

Working as BMW diagnose technician, i'm very very interested in this project, so subbed. But reading through the comments i'm astounded by the amount of silly misunderstandings. So to straighten out a few: Yes, the B58 is a BMW engine, but Toyota "persueded" BMW to build it this way, to the standards Toyota wanted. Otherwise you'd be looking at the N55 engine now. The B58 (and the entire car) is a BMW-Toyota collab. Add some Italian "feel" to it, and it could be a centerfold in a dirty magazine. Timingchain behind cil 6 is there for weightdistribution. This way the engine can be mounted lower down in the car, shaping the sump around the front subframe, not getting in the way of steeringrack etc, and be further behind the front wheels. So big big performancebenefits from something as simple as timingchains and oilpump at the back of the engine. And with modern silicone sealant leakages are a rarity. I personally have not encountered any timing issues at all with this engine, nor have i heard of any. But yes, if ever there is one, the engine comes out, consuming a lot of time. Can't afford it, don't buy it. Plastic intakemanifolds are the standard this century, for almost all carbrands. Cast alu manifolds started dying out in the late 90s-early 00s. Productioncosts ofcourse, and plastics improved a lot, a whole lot. Same for valvecovers etc. The aluminium versions crack before the plastic ones do. And plastic saves weight over alu. Thinking of all plastics being a pour material is thinking of the past. Having the intakesystem on turbocharged engines as low volume as possible greatly improves turbolag, and therefore efficiency. So the watercooled intercooler, on a separate coolingsystem of max 60*C, ( same temp as air from aircooled intercoolers) in the intakemanifold is smart. offcourse it is used in roadgoing cars. But yes, may be changed for trackcars, but that can't really be a big issue for a proper mechanic. The cilnderhead comes in different versions. Not all have the integrated watercooled exhaustmanifold. Don't know which have what system, but when uprating the engine, the head with the external exhaustmanifold might be worth considering because of extra heatproduction. The integrated cilhead is mainly for efficiency of heatrecovery and -removal depending on current engineworkingconditions. So again very desireable for roaduse. I'll look up the details if i have time. Edit: From the info i have at home: B58B30M1 M stands for Mittel, midrange poweroutput, has the integrated exhaustmanifold. B58B30O1 O for Obere, higherrange poweroutput has an external/ more conventional exhaustmanifold. The coolingmanagementmodule may be out of its comfortzone when B58 produces 1000+ HP, so maybe thats something to look after, but it just might be able to handle M3-kinds of heatproduction 😉. Haven't found any flaws on productioncars with it so far. About the fuel system... Only to be worked on by people who REALLY!!!!!! (Do not risk an near-unstoppable fuelfire!!!) know what they are doing!!! But watching the next the next vid, @PapadakisRacing what's the plan for your system? Using the direct injection or bypassing it and having it indirect only, since thats what your CAD shows? Would like to see how you'd do it. Anyway, love to see more of your project, all the best, Mechanikos

[@mechanikos84]

@Rico so read again

[@JustusKuroVT]

@Rico read the comment first

[@djaric]

The solution (so far) to many modified direct injection engines that are running out of fuel is to add traditional fuel injectors to the intake side though a modified intake or intake plate. Wonder if they'll go that route.

[@mechanikos84]

@@djaric They showed a little in the next vid, so i'm just curious about the details too.

[@turbotj99]

Great information! One question, why would you want to pull heat out of the exhaust manifold. Unless you’re recovering energy (think bmw has something for this) or the turbine wheel can’t take normal temps, seems unnecessary. What am I missing?

[@SketchyDJM]

Cutting your own path. Leading for others to follow. This video will become iconic for teaching everyone about this engine. New tools and engine stands will appear because of your work. Great effort.

[@eddzuki0]

SketchyDJM why will it bmw fans have been modifying these for ages

[@CaptZapBrenigan]

New tools and new engine stands....Ummmm Toyota and BMW already has them made. He just didnt have them so he made them. Nothing new going on here, but yes the video was very informing.

[@zacharyparis]

Can’t talk, busy tearing down my BRAND NEW engine!

[@ActNasty5]

zachary paris research and development my dude

[@berticusmaximus00]

So he can make a better than new engine!

[@TheWholeGrainBread_Real]

3 year old engine* fixed it.

[@rjvanrhyn7465]

As a guy thats new to car mechanics. You make me want to get a lot better, Thanks man

[@lemster101]

I'm very happy this showed up in my recommended list.

[@mongoosebootrrider]

“The engineers have simplified everything down again” “The timing chain is in between the transmission and the engine”

[@StrikerFin]

Josh Ribeiro lol

[@richardknight307]

For real right.

[@richardknight307]

@typeav I'm no mechanic but this thing look hard, u see all the special 4 teeth socket to remove the crankshaft pulley..I'm not a Toyota owner but 2JZ is still boss.. dont give a rat's ass..

[@jdrok5026]

@@richardknight307 the 2jz is also a pain in the ass. Just because you need a few tools. Doesnt make it a pain.

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

i am beginning to think this guy is a bit off in the head as nothing negative talked of new so called tech is not good allways

[@mikeboldtphoto]

Anyone else love the volume being on when he pulls the coils out? lol

[@procrastinator1842]

Like a ping pong show 😍

[@Bfizzy420]

Jamie Kulhanek Winona Ryder ☄️

[@Shuv455]

@@Mickey_Bauer hahahahahaha

[@fonz-ys6xu]

You know what i enjoy most about your videos? You explain everything in a way that even a very amateur home mechanic can understand. Thanks for the great videos!

[@gonzomuse]

I don't know what BMW were thinking by designing a new engine without even consulting all the experts on KZbin! The audacity! Seriously though, this is a brilliant video, new sub right here!

[@11venomer]

its not a new engine lol B58

[@Graciashauf]

But but it's A SUPRA. IT'S A TOYOTA! 🤣🤣

[@gonzomuse]

@@11venomer lol

[@fobbitoperator3620]

The narrator in this video, has mastered the art of translating mechanical'ese, to comprehend-able English. I actually kinda understood everything he was saying in this video. My hands are all gaw'damn thumbs...

[@hambo6713]

Joel Williams If you understood that part about the intake cam phasing using eccentric shaft, I take my hat off to you, because I just can't seem to get it

[@MrBlue-ib7oi]

@@hambo6713 all i got was the shaft part....

[@FredaricoIsCooL]

hambo I could be wrong, but I believe that’s BMW’s Valvetronic. The second shaft allows for a variable intake valve length. Engineering Explained has a video on it. If it’s what I’m thinking of, the throttle body stays open all the time, and the intake valve opens bigger each rotation as the throttle pedal is pressed. The idea of variable valve length is similar to Nissan’s variable compression engine, where the stroke is variable.

[@gonzomuse]

More thumbs might be really helpful for texting.....

[@fobbitoperator3620]

@@gonzomuse Nah man, hitchhike'n!

[@markv7047]

I'd be able to put it back together piece of cake the hard bit would be knowing what do to with all the parts I had left over 🤣

[@mojojoji5493]

Lmao this is actually the best comment on this channel

[@kerimmejdoub1381]

Well, for me it would be all in a days work.

[@picax8398]

Hey man, less parts means lighter weight.

[@cobaltboi4204]

weight reduction b r o o

[@kedrshr1mp6]

Hahaha story of my life.

[@threadoflife]

I’m so tired of all the troll comments saying the MK5 is a BMW or ugly or not reliable or a zupra or Z4, if you don’t like the car move on and buy what you enjoy. To me the Supra now owning a manual Transmission is a fantastic platform and I literally have no bias. I’ve owned over 50 cars personally and just about everything shy of HyperCars. If you want to make some damn good power reliably and have a unique platform that breaks necks and eats up the track and roll races this is a great platform. I personally wouldn’t own an automatic but as soon as Toyota designed a MT for the car I was all in. It’s one of the best MT gearboxes I’ve ever experienced super tight, notchy and no play at all. It’s like driving a video game every day I personally love this car and that I have 1 of 1236 MT made and the rarity of this car driving around town. I like nostalgia and having cars you don’t see every day like BMW’s, Corvettes, mustangs, etc this car will be a limited production and carry a name for itself as the pinnacle of BMW and Toyotas legacy’s together as incredible designers. They hands down make some of the most recognized sports cars in the history of car manufacturing I don’t think you could ask for a better combination of engineers to have your back creating the next and final Toyota Supra I know they did my Manual Supra right I have no complaints other than visibility and space, but you don’t buy this car for those needs you own another one and drive this on the weekends and keep it nice and don’t sell it ever! It’s one hell of a car I’ll tell you that and a bucket list checked of this is literally a dream car to me and I own one and couldn’t be more satisfied they did it right. Even insane MPG out of a performance car and MT gearbox. Thank you Toyota, thank you BMW for bringing us this masterpiece. 🙏

[@QurttoRco]

Internet experts: This engine is POS. Actual race car builder: I'm pretty impressed Says a lot doesnt it

[@CFAuugh]

@日産スカイライン you do realise , that apart from drag racing, you rarely ever need that much power. Track driving or drifting usually are happy doing up to 600 hp.

[@323gtxr]

Auugh Literally all Formula Drift cars are 1000+ bhp...

[@CFAuugh]

@日産スカイライン *realise, British spelling. Anyway, Formula D, not rarely, have heavily build up engines, really can't call them stock. Reckon once people know the weaknesses of the B58, they will be able to produce said 1k hp. However, for most track driving and "semi serious" drifters, 600 hp is enough. Formula 1 cars V6 produces around 750-780 hp, the rest is produced by its electric engine. Not everyone is a world class driver who earns 10+ million dollars. If you are in said Formula, or Formula D, you will NOT be driving with a stock engine with a massive turbo on it.

[@323gtxr]

日産スカイライン Everyone is comparing this engine to the 2JZ. The bmw engine will easily make 600bhp all day. So if anyone is doubting its ability to "replace" the 2JZ they must be talking about power more then 600hp right?

[@komentierer]

@日産スカイライン Well then, which engine would you prefer? This is the best inline 6 engine in the world that can comply with modern emissions regulations. Toyota hasn't built decent performance engines in decades. Toyota from the 2JZ days and modern day Toyota are two completely different companies, nowadays BMW is the main authority when it comes to inline 6 performance engines and they have been for decades. BMW is known for the M5 and M2.. whereas Toyota is known for the Prius.

[@Mikey-fo9mm]

Wow. Thanks to you guys for opening up a new BMW B58 engine for people who don't own one let alone seen one in real life in a 14 minutes video. Good job PapadakisRacing.

[@ReydioTube]

Timing service? Pull the motor. Cam swap? Pull the motor. The curse of impressive packaging.

[@nou8257]

They followed ford's truck repair mentality what's that work on the engine pull the cab ohh you wanna do exhaust up pipes for your diesel better pull the cab again

[@AllOutOrNothing88]

My thoughts exactly! This motor looks like a complete pain in the ass.

[@tylerott9269]

I didn’t see any dipstick either.

[@bg710]

good luck to the basic toyota techs who will have no idea how to work on this engine

[@IamCombustible]

German engineering.

[@MrWoodroe]

This is amazing. I was mesmerized and was a mouth breather for 14 minutes.

[@nibotkram7743]

B58 BMW engine. Snapon has the 12point 14mm that is thin walled enough to remove the plugs. Very elegant engine. Closed deck block..

[@mauricioibarra701]

It helps to use a wobble extension too.

[@pmoua08]

Probably wants about $200 for that one socket

[@fohatadri]

@@pmoua08 yea man 10$ on amazon.

[@fohatadri]

nibot kram no they don’t, especially not with spark plugs that are barelly tightented

[@nibotkram7743]

pmoua08 around $43

[@jdmcarboy64]

: world you can’t put a intercooler inside the manifold Bmw - hold my schnitzel.

[@BF109G4]

Thechristopherryan actually many American companies does

[@KrashKan]

The PLASTIC manifold

[@KrashKan]

@@Rubendybs sounds like something a bmw owner would say

[@twinturbo_c7vette]

This is very typical in air to water setups. There is actually a separate heat exchanger mounted up front to receive air flow like a radiator. A water pump, usually and electronic one, then circulates the coolant through the heat exchanger. Then to the aftercooler in the intake manifold. A lot of supercharged cars are this way. I wont be shocked if they do not add a large front mount air to air intercooler as well during the build, or ditch the water cooled setup entirely.

[@s14theron]

@@KrashKan subaru sti tingssss

[@cra_55]

Those Forza-playing 14-year-olds will NOT be pleased to hear that you said positive things about this BMW engine

[@jouhajohnny]

CRA_55 💀💀💀

[@Jake-cs5oh]

😂😂 best comment I've read all day 😂😂

[@CBrown621]

I clicked on the video for comments like "Nothing is better than the 2jzzzzzzz. 2jz best engine, none better" and stuff like that😂

[@BF109G4]

And BMW fanboys who collect others trash would enjoy hearing good things about this trashy engine

[@RMH5.0]

@@BF109G4 Found one lol

[@fricken99]

You gotta admire the depth of engineering that goes into cars.

[@MarioLoco03]

For a regular owner, hope you never have a timing chain issue. Its gonna be EXPENSIVE.

[@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689]

MarioLoco03 agreed😅

[@fredc8346]

Disassemble car to pull engine

[@MRwaterlicious]

You want to see drama? Take a gander on the BMW forum and you'll see that all their new engines are having internal issues from rod knocking to chain popping. Shame on toyota for destroying the supra nameplate.

[@lordjaashin]

@Omer Ahmed what weak points have they rectified? during all disassembly i don't see any rectifications done to BMW engine

[@MRwaterlicious]

@Omer Ahmed you are one of those chickens who would buy feathers if you believe the BS about toyota reinforced B58. Remember Toyota made mention about them reinforcing the frs Subaru motor and low and behold there is currently a recall on them for internal failures. B58 is more modern than 2j yes but 2j has the edge for being tuner friendly and easy to work on. Go get your b58 and pray I dont see you on the road with my mk4.

[@thinkkops853]

Mercedes and Audi: “We are the hardest cars to work on” BMW: “Hold my Timing Chain”

[@shona5512]

Yeah no Mercedes are still the most difficult to work on. Particularly the diesel V6s

[@IKhanNot]

@@shona5512 No they're not. Go work on a MB M112 or M272 motor. They're rather easy. Some weird things here and there but overall not difficult at all.

[@Zack-rm3xn]

ThinkkOps the Audi v8 has the impossibly complicated timing chain and assembly on the back of the engine as well

[@miata100]

audi and benz have both used a timing chain in the back 😂

[@madr9142]

Zack Behen gotta love having to take the engine engine out just to put in a new timing chain.

[@BFIFE22G35]

Renowned engine builder: compliments engine People on the internet: sHoUlD bE a 2jZ

[@rocketlaunch99]

Well yeah should've been a Toyota engine. That's true.

[@peterp1552]

AWOL the 2j wasn’t a “Toyota” engine either. But I get what you’re saying.

[@rileystoygarage7310]

@@peterp1552 huh 2 j not a Toyota engine???

[@Tristor86]

The 2JZ was designed by Yamaha. Like what the hell. Are you really that dumb?

[@peterp1552]

R [e-mail] Toyota partnered with Yamaha to create the 2jz

[@shiloh5199]

This is the first Papadakis video I've ever watched. This was an interesting tear down and a really cool vehicle.

[@CarsGarage]

Awesome, thank you Stephan for spending money and effort to make this video.

[@Bramon83]

Someone else spent the money. Def a customer car

[@mgz282]

This guy: the engine is simpler than the older ones... Me, when they remove the engine cover: Holy God...

[@Eule153]

Ya

[@MarvelousSeven]

Yeah, a real nest of snakes.

[@Skyline_-cg1yw]

Lmao , indeed xD

[@I.Odnamra]

He meant the way you take out the engine. Which I agree with. Bunch of bolt on parts that hold everything together. Very cool.

[@jeffhaire1984]

I know right...this thing is mind blowing compared to a Toyota JZ

[@EliTheDriftPanda]

KZbin done right. Thanks for taking the plunge on a fresh motor and making a very informative, well-structured video!

[@g.dubyou6263]

Wondering how this is the first time I’ve seen this guy on KZbin. I remember him big time into the 1990s Honda scene. Holy hell, and he doesn’t even look any different. From Sac Raceway to Palmdale, this guy was at all of the events! Liked and subscribed. 🙌🙌🙌

[@lw4518]

I can only imagine the bag of parts I’d have left after Reassembling !

[@jonthelamb4549]

Lol true. Being honest it’s actually pretty easy if you take it apart yourself and keep things sorted

[@biggusdickus.376]

Lmao I legit always have leftovers

[@lisalim7287]

@@jonthelamb4549 ' 😂0😂

[@AdamMGTF]

How you take it apart is what matters. Mechanics who throw everything in a box are making work for themselves.

[@catalintimofti1117]

Weight reduction

[@cmaszerowski]

Made me cringe when you were taking the intake cam out. I’m a bmw tech and have had one of those springs snap back on my thumb. Not a good feeling. But this was a great video👍

[@fatcatsgang]

Dude my blood was boiling with that

[@chrisg4rr377]

I was pulling one of the engines apart and was using the tool. The lad next to me doing the same job without the tool. His finger got trapped too. Was funny for me

[@parteepro]

its crazy how similar this engine is too the 3 and 4 cylinder engines in the bmw's the springs you talk about look the exact same the oil pump, oil filter and so many other bits look exactly the same

[@chrisg4rr377]

@@parteepro its all modular now mate. It makes more sense to make one part thats used on everything. Makes them more money

[@parteepro]

@@chrisg4rr377 still wouldn't expect so many parts to be exactly the same, from what I've heard there moving away from the modular baukasten engines and slimming down there engine line up. Think I read it on car throttle or something

[@DCassidy42]

The comment section is the international meeting for mechanical engineers.

[@ohnoitisnt]

Not very talented ones, it sems

[@alfiebrotherton935]

That shit made me laugh do hard 😂

[@uncavallo2580]

Guess how much innovations brings this basic and anonymus engine, besides the 2jz who has potential, sounds better, and was more reliable than bmw engines. Not engineer's business, just someone who doesn't associate "new>better"

[@maximilianlindner]

I've read so many dumb an uneducated comments by some cod / forza kids, that I am going to take a break from the internet for today. This shit gives me headache...

[@_TheWerewolf]

Greeting from a mechanical engineer 😛

[@Nordmore68]

Mr Papadakis is the nr 1 mechanic on KZbin! The efficiency, the explaining, the easy going through the video. Nr 1!

[@drift_boi2843]

"rotary valve" Rx-7 owners: *Brap brap brap intensifies*

[@fxzn]

im suprised those mumble rappers havent used the rotary engine sounds in their music.

[@HoweDoYouDo1999]

TimmyDoesGFX cause those guys don’t even know what that even is 😂

[@santileonsteinberg1441]

*rebuild flashback intensifies*

[@miasnieuwoudt8952]

Im dead😂

[@troydoggett4561]

hahahaha

[@user-gb4np8it8o]

My god! This is the *best* video I've ever seen, anywhere! Short, concise, actual real information, and the narration was fantastic. Thank you!

[@DoJo-HyGe]

If I was taking this engine apart I'd still be hovering over the engine with my flathead screwdriver.

[@rileystoygarage7310]

Hahaha too afraid and confused to even begin😅😅😂

[@keithw4920]

Same, except that I would also be crying.

[@rexleehe7633]

@@keithw4920 that's me with everything

[@ginger7304]

I would have took it apart easily but then start crying when I try to put it back together.

[@BF109G4]

What a mess

[@woohunter1]

10:57 I’m impressed!!! Block girdle ties the 2 sides of the lower block together, along with a center bolt going into crank bearings! We can appreciate the slight over-engineering.

[@MurderMostFowl]

“It’s actually simpler...” cut to: massive mess of crazy wiring , hoses and plastic spiderweb intake manifold 😂

[@littlerhino2006]

I think he meant the modularity. It didn't look too bad, it's nice to remove big chunks of several parts rather than a ton of small pieces.

[@MurderMostFowl]

The faceless you’re right... I was just giving him a hard time. This video was actually super interesting because I could never afford to do this.

[@littlerhino2006]

@@MurderMostFowl right?! Still under warranty and everything

[@djsonicc]

to be fair, the 2JZ-GTE has got a crap ton of hoses and wires on top too

[@roadreg1820]

The faceless The B58 is actually part of BMW’s ‘modular’ engines. It shares/lends components to all B series engines. It shares the same block as the B57 3.0 twin/quad turbo engine!

[@samac_schnitzers3454]

Timing chain in the back ... Audi 4.2 V8 flashback

[@seankim9076]

I was thinking the same thing LMAO

[@UconventionalWarrior]

That's a car you don't want to own past a timing chain service...

[@GrimesGarage]

have done timing on those and the VR6, i share the same concern.

[@JadeGeminiM390]

Iron Duke was a great motor

[@firekaratechop3676]

Fuck those soooo hard!

[@michaell7090]

I love these engine teardowns! so much info. Keep it up. Quality content.

[@mrfreckles666]

I’ve never understood why people think it’s so cool that drive by wire throttles can move faster than your foot, if it’s controlled by your foot then the input will only ever be as fast as your foot anyway. Other than that this was a great look at some new engine tech

[@verdict1163]

Very interesting to see how modern engines are constructed. Lots of combined function parts and proprietary assemblies that will make this thing impossible to repair in the (distant) future.

[@dazasc3994]

yep, you can see the planned obsolesce with all the plastic parts attached to a hot engine....will be fun to see how long they last but the days of 50 year old iron blocks running like they did when new are over

[@boboutelama5748]

@@dazasc3994 Yes. It's already a common problem since the mid 2000's. Quality is dropping, due to the depreciation of money and the chase of better emission standards, making engine more and more complex. And we didn't talked about electronics, that can't be repaired or maintained sometimes. This is hard in coming right now. Overall, the tendency is to have cars with shorter lifespan.

[@nobba255]

plastic, plastic, plastic, damn, soon everythings gonna be plastic

[@NaruSanavai]

@@nobba255 Plastics are much more resilient than people give them credit for, especially now (plastic is a 157-year-old technology). There are also _several_ types, compositions, and grades of plastics, designed to do different things. Plastics have been in engine compartments for just about as long as cars have been around. On proprietary assemblies: with the nature of mass production (and how easy it's gotten with computers, lasers, etc.), even proprietary parts, while unfavorable, won't be hard to obtain.

[@HDESM]

This is why the market for rebuilt/refurbished older cars is going to literally explode once people realize that these new cars are only design to last 5 years...

[@flowmastaflam]

"They actually made this engine really simple to work on, except for the part where we had to literally manufacture something to hold the engine." Just playing. Love straight 6's. Been making 600+whp from N54's and N55's for a decade. Fun motors.

[@Mrjohnnymoo1]

Or the fact that you literally have to pull to the engine for anything lol. RIP cam swaps.

[@nssherlock4547]

@@Mrjohnnymoo1 No you dont,you can even change the timing chain in situ.Theres a panel you remove and unlink chain,clip new chain to the old and wind around till its back at start ,old chain out ,new one in unlink and re-join.install panel an adjust the tensioner.

[@BennyAndTheJets86]

Flowmasta Flam simple? 🤣 dude the f’ing timing chain is on the back of the engine 🤣. It’s BMW junk.

[@jamesearlcash7725]

Benjamin Lopez Exactly. Made to be taken apart by dealerships only

[@flowmastaflam]

Benjamin Lopez ...

[@07wrxtr1]

reminds me of auto shop: "okay, now put it back together!" .... 3 days later: "uhh... we have all these extra parts..."

[@abynoura7253]

07wrxtr1 hell yeah!!! The ugly truth...! Owner came back and shop charge them again

[@Kytes93]

ahah yeah. use alt+27

[@BurrNinja]

that had me laughing!

[@1alopezpr]

😂😂😂🖒

[@marwanezzat3798]

😂😂😂

[@Abj-op2tc]

This engine is very under appreciated, 2020 Supra is a great car

[@WetCows]

Toyota service manager: "I need u to do *literally anything* to this mk5 supra" Toyota tech: "say sike right now"

[@mickgrimes9078]

LMAOO

[@core4365]

Everything is gonna pay 8 hours minimum lol

[@ryanbennett8086]

1.5 for the PDI...... takes like 3 hrs just to get the NAV unit online......get ready to bend over getting shoved with quailty Toyota warranty times working on this German nightmare.

[@badatcad]

everyone with toyota certs would have general certs and a good amount of hands on knowledge. you should in theory be able to hand most seasoned techs basically any car and with enough time they'll probably be able to figure it out.

[@jefffloors1]

Best comment here!!!!!

[@TH3M0NSTR1NU]

"This engine uses direct injection" Me: *has ptsd from my n54*

[@SavageBunny1]

Relax,you see how simple the HPFP is now, and the injectors look simple AF

[@needleonthevinyl]

The N54 from a decade ago made the B58 possible today. Lessons learned and technology improved.

[@crimsonhawk4912]

Lmfao

[@needleonthevinyl]

@CLP Are you forgetting that it took TWELVE DIFFERENT revisions of fuel injector for BMW to find a design that worked? That's what I'm referring to.

[@ejpmotorsports5188]

*blows it up* "What do you mean its not under warranty???"

[@IamBATMAN2024]

Trashy 2jz? Are you dumb!?

[@MadStyle1911]

@@IamBATMAN2024 yes he is. He knows nothing about the 2jz apparently.

[@AV-zh6tq]

@Richard Ren yeah those engines couldnt take anything

[@alex_ag7022]

MadStyle 2JZ is trash for real

[@khoajin]

@Richard Ren you can't blow up* not you can't blew up. Thats all, have a great day! :D

[@LanceCorporal_Waffles]

2:46 Mmmm. Forbidden Mountain Dew... A lot of the engine design and engineering will always be way beyond my understanding but it never fails to amaze me. That cracked rod design so that it aligns perfectly every time blew my mind.

[@Rival-Sama]

Only the Germans would make a one piece, plastic, air to water intercooler, intake manifold combo.

[@ragingraven7915]

That just sounds expensive.

[@Forgan_Mreeman]

i bet they put they assembled the intercooler the same way you build a ship inside a bottle.

[@Rival-Sama]

@B. Chandler I'm sure the plastic will be fine, but they made 3-4 separate pieces into one assembly and if you want to change the intake manifold you're going to need a different intercooler for sure. It just seems like BMW engineers flexing.

[@boostjunkie2320]

@B. Chandler Well its still gay asf

[@boostjunkie2320]

So if you want an exposed front mount intercooler you have to change the fuel intake manifold too......Only BMW engineers who are completely out of touch with the Supra would put that design on a Supra. If you want a tubular exhaust manifold it's going to be very small and very gay.

[@JamesJames-nr5rl]

I am blown away with how much more complex this engine looks. I was always of the mind that simpler is better and more elegant as far as engineering goes. I have been disassembling and assembling engines for 30 years and I would have become confused fairly quickly when tearing this motor down. Very interesting video, than you for posting. I am hooked and will continue watching.

[@catinthehat5140]

The complexity gives you high hp, high efficiency, and long life.

[@EnhancedTrashBin]

@@catinthehat5140 pretty sure high hp and long life dont go together

[@mrfixitdellacertifiedfield5376]

did you say disassembly? and assembly? oh i thought they were tearing down a building? AMATEURS

[@NineDiamont]

​@@catinthehat5140 that just sounds like a marketing slogan.. More complexity increases the number of sources of error, thus leading to higher repair cost and making ownership more expensive.

[@sigmamale4147]

@@catinthehat5140 lol no

[@sieve5]

This is so interesting!!! Plastic intake manifold, intercoolers in the exhaust and intake manifolds, internal exhaust manifold, jeez!!!

[@kevintucker3354]

Great engineering though for a compact power plant!

[@Damicske]

More and more you will see it with new engines

[@the_visionvry6244]

@@kevintucker3354 just because it works doesnt make it better lmao

[@frostnone5128]

@@the_visionvry6244 he never said it was better

[@the_visionvry6244]

@@frostnone5128 what are you 12? he said she said? my point still stands regardless of what he posted....

[@andljoy]

As much as older stuff is cool. The level of engineering in a modern engine is just insane. It reminds me of a quote. Anyone can build a bridge that stands, it takes an engineer to building one that barely stands.

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

On the intake side, when I work as trainee at bmw, we use a giant cable tie to tie things up and pull the whole assembly together. It works. You may wanna try it.

[@jaredgann7206]

Papa Papadakis in for the win for the 2020 Supra engine breakdown!!! Can't wait to see what you are able to squeeze out this engine. Keep up the good work.

[@nicklevi5537]

Papadakis tear down new engine : 45 mins video. Me trying to just think to reassembling them : infinity

[@samuelgutierrez3860]

I have a 340i with the b58 and i cant tell you how helpful this video is! Helps me understand my car better

[@DeepBlueWaves]

Can't say I've ever cared about any of this until watching you. I'm hooked. Might have opened a new part of my mind!

[@mojojoji5493]

Should start building engines bro

[@geluix69]

Your knowledge of engines is astonishing, this video was like being in school. Learned so much in such a time period. The timing chain setup reminds of my old VW VR6.

[@tonystips6487]

The timing chain setup reminds the rest of the world of BMW engine for the Last 15 years

[@gapyrodawg5181]

Well there goes the warranty 😂🤣😂. Very cool, thanks for the peak inside 👍😎👍

[@fakealexstrong]

Steph IS the warranty. 3x over

[@gapyrodawg5181]

@@fakealexstrong I'm well aware of this my dude, I've been following him since the late 90s back before drifting was even a thing in America.

[@fakealexstrong]

JustSome PYRO Right on bro 🤙🏽🤙🏽 I started following in the Tanner foust days 👍🏽

[@gapyrodawg5181]

@- whoami - 1000hp, I'd say so!!!

[@TheBlkzenki]

@- whoami - that corolla engine is so baller. I was impressed by that build.

[@Hurry_Revive_Me]

It's funny how most people complain that 'oooh itsa BMW, etc'. Do people not realize Toyota has the most strict standards in terms of engine reliability?? I'm sure Toyota put the B58 thru the ringer over and over, redesigning it to be 100x's better than when they received it from BMW. Toyota had big shoes to fill living up to the Mk4 2JZ and it's legendary reliability and superb tuning potential.

[@Robin-ic7sy]

2020 supra for sale, driven less than 2000 miles. like new!

[@rainxie8004]

lol

[@lordjaashin]

i know what i have

[@TruckerDave215]

How mu 15k

[@TruckerDave215]

Oh wait not worth it waiting for c8

[@keed_on_two_wheelz]

@@TruckerDave215 not gonna lie i think the c8 is gonna be hot garbage. The dry sumped lt on the rear is gonna be a bitch to get to and well the last mid engined car they made was the fiero and they caught fire..... Like a fucking lot i think 30% burned down

[@awesomekitty89]

It's like modern diesel engine. Rear timing, direct injection, block stiffener. This got potential of a lot of torque

[@destin-diesel.9495]

Lol. Diesels have gears. They dont fail. Chain f up daily. Look at audi or mazda or nissan or bmw.

[@budgetdrift6403]

Destin - Diesel. Not true

[@GeFeldz]

@@destin-diesel.9495 Lots of diesels have timing chains and lots of diesels have timing belts...

[@Generalusuer]

Duh its a bmw engine

[@dime4026]

The complexity is quite Intimidating. All I see is dollar Bill's. But I'm a peasant who cant afford it anyway.

[@LeeePowers]

For reals. It's almost Lexus LS460/ ISF level of Rats nest.

[@anthonyt4981]

@Kevin Schmidt lmao what. I purchased my isf brand new back in 2013 and I only make give or take 100k... $60k car is a reasonable purchase with a 100k salary. 300k salary will give you an entirely different perspective. I would be buying myself a m6 or gtr at that point.

[@ODST_Republic]

@Kevin Schmidt I thought this car was sold for 40 to 45k in U.S. dollars

[@EmazingGuitar]

Wait 7-9 years when they drop in value to 25-30k

[@JmanRx81]

Aging jedi for real

[@quickdiy8127]

Man, messing with hondas 20 years ago you can see how honda was ahead of it's time, we had forged cranks, oil squirters, cracked rods and caps, girdles in the b and K series.

[@DeadlyBrianX]

“We”

[@fry.master]

oh they definitely did and are very strong/reliable for it. Sadly open deck, though. Fairly common to blow head gaskets or crack liners under high boost with forged internals. For an n/a application they are incredible engines.

[@rlscustoms]

Hands down the best engine teardown video I’ve ever seen, you’re a legend Steph 👊🏼

[@mhector89]

By the way awesome job tearing down that bmw engine and explaining..A+

[@wariqkobra]

God you guys are fucking annoying with this whole BMW shit..

[@williamarden5441]

@@wariqkobra truth hurt huh 🤣

[@wariqkobra]

nubz detail what truth? To repeat what’s been said over and over on every 2020 Supra video? Nice way to be original.

[@wariqkobra]

Ulices Bamaca im sorry, I need to get over what now?

[@Jash_F]

@@wariqkobra ye mate, it's kind of "we fucking get it so shut the fuck up" 😅 let me watch a man make a 1k hp engine now thanks. lol

[@吾-e2x]

Thank you so much for making this video....It's a joy for me to get a look inside the B58

[@kickyadick]

叶莉雅 agreed, joy for all of us. Love or hate the b58, we are about to have some real reasons. 兴奋。

[@Nicesh007]

I love L6 engine sound and i love bmw's. same for me,it a pleasure to take a peek inside thge new b58

[@josephferraro2507]

Ha when i was a kid just able to drive stephan was my biggest role model i followed him thru all the tuner mags that posted content about his builds ans early racing career glad to see him still thriving

[@SebastianBlix]

Outstanding vid, first mk5 engine teardown I've seen. Thank you for the upload, looking forward to the build!

[@emotionz3]

Very professional video, great pacing and narration. Looking forward to more of your content. Subscribed.

[@kylegreenley8950]

Loved this video, as a former BMW tech this engine was just being released within my last year at the dealership. Knowing about some of the tech in this engine but also learning a few new things I did know about was awesome. I also enjoyed how in depth you went

[@hanynowsky]

Is still the N52 a good engine to keep?

[@juliolopez7893]

This video made me fall in love with the ingenuity of the supra gr

[@ImthatPete]

"Timing chain is in rear" What I heard "timing chain tensioner changes will be very expensive if you buy one"

[@hammertimee777]

Timing chain tensioners do not normally fail. These tensioners are hydraulics and should be fine for the life of the engine.

[@ThaJay]

Plus they already dealt with the theething problems for that system in the first gen 1 series.

[@dandare1001]

@@hammertimee777 They have done quite often on BMW engines of the last 12 years.

[@elcaminosunlimited]

@@hammertimee777 They do fail periodically, and guides also become worn out over time as well. It cannot be assumed the timing system will last the entire life of the engine without service.

[@InTheZone85]

hopefully they mounted the tensioner to be easily accessed with everything still mounted. For example on the s2000 you can do it in 5 minutes from the front under the hood. In the rsx you have the remove some stuff but do it under the car. On this, I'm hoping it's not buried inside the timing cover.

[@d3tach3d]

Thank you for doing this. Theres a lot of us who wanted a comprehensive breakdown of this engine.

[@eccosabanovic1589]

He attacc He Protecc But most importantly He has timing chain on his bacc

[@_dajo]

@J who

[@jesusmiranda2236]

Funny lol😂😪

[@davrilmassey1697]

I laugh every time I see one of these comments. Where is this from?

[@HoweDoYouDo1999]

The timing chain is much weirder because Toyota didnt make it but I think Toyota already knew that however Toyota really honestly kinda liked the motor as is because it was more technology than Toyota even knew what to do with so I’m sure Toyota found that as a plus to build upon 😂

[@MaxiiBoii23]

@J you

[@despected2008]

Thank you so much. The engine is a masterpiece. One of the last of gasoline era.

[@FuZe.]

This was a REALLY good video. Thanks guys you just earned yourself a new sub 👍👍

[@aerialasturias9785]

Two👌👌

[@bobbywasabi5218]

Three.

[@douglasburnside]

Four.

[@VinM817]

This channel puts out great content.

[@seussyyy]

Your channel is about to blow up my friend

[@mattyb.5628]

No kidding. 1M views on a channel with 200K subscribers.

[@arnoldr1746]

This actually gives me fear on remembering how to place all pieces together.

[@abz124816]

They make manuals for that

[@zstrode.8953]

I take pictures lol

[@fluffy1973]

Only when the dealership manuals will do 😀

[@subwhiffy02]

There's a disassemble and reassemble for the engine in service manual through online, it tells you step by step in diagram, the trick of not forgetting on some part or how to not lose some things like studs or bolts, you can use a zip lock bag and a sharpie to put a specific bolt on one part then write it down.

[@admin_kovacs3003]

He also did record it

[@markjmaxwell9819]

One of the great engines of the decade. The twin scroll is much better than a twin turbo setup. The direct injection could do with a bit of work.