2021 BMW 5 Series | Write Off Machine

We review the updated 2021 BMW 5 Series 540i with all-wheel drive. The car is a near-perfect sedan with only a few issues that we discuss. We look at the good and bad and talk about the technical side and how it is different from the Audi A6, Genesis G80, Mercedes, and affordable cars like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.
#BMW #Cars #luxury
Index:
00:00 - 00:30 Intro
00:30 - 3:54 Interior Impressions
3:54 - 6:25 Mechanical Impressions, Suspension, and Body
6:25 - 10:53 Driving Impressions
10:53 Final Thoughts

[@davidj4662]

Geez, that thing costs almost as much as a dodge pickup.

[@802Garage]

This comment is underrated no matter how many likes it gets.

[@mitchellsteindler]

🙊🙈

[@MRMV483]

Costs 130.000$ in my country...

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Anyone can afford it, it's just one time down payment of $4,999 and $1,250 a month for only 108 months at 7.99% financing.

[@ismaeldah6512]

@@PianoBlackTrimRep. you would be lucky to get such a low rate to be fair

[@great_deception]

I had one, the 530i, with the 4cyl-engine. At no point did I feel it lacked power. The lack of turbo lag was almost magical. The interior was beautiful with very high quality materials with no rattles or bad panel gaps. The fuel economy reminded me of a 3 Series, which was impressive. Going 85 down the freeway felt like 50. The driver seat was probably the most comfortable seat I have ever been in and all my passengers were always comfortable. It was a heavy car and driving it you could feel it yet the engine and transmission made it drive so well as so smoothly. In the 3-year lease I had it, it only went to the dealer for oil changes and software updates. Never have I been more impressed with a vehicle especially for the price point. I am a big fan of MB, but somehow BMW managed to make everything extremely consistent and near perfect with the 5. I would happily recommend the 5 to anyone looking for a quality, sport-oriented luxury 4DR sedan. To this day I still think about how well the car did everything and the people who designed that car really are at another level.

[@Mark-eu6mc]

What did you buy after the lease?

[@great_deception]

@@Mark-eu6mc I leased a 3 series

[@Mark-eu6mc]

@@great_deception Gotcha. Would you lease another 5 series after this 3 series lease is up, or is there something else you’re interested in?

[@great_deception]

@@Mark-eu6mc New 5 is due out in a few weeks. I would lease the LCI 3 series and wait a few months after the next gen 5 is out.

[@dynasyss]

@@great_deception are there any features you'd recommend as a must have/nice to have?

[@dil6969]

At least it has a somewhat normal grille.

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

You say that as if the rest of the car isn’t beautiful, and arguably the best German midsize option

[@cygnusa3772]

@@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX It isnt. It is very plain. I agree with his assessment that is completely lacks character.

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

@@cygnusa3772 I think he was speaking of the boring sedan-like driving experience, not the look of the car. It’s very understated and handsome, and it will likely look very nice for decades. BMW is good at that unlike Audi, and MB

[@Love2Cruise]

@@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Well... I can’t tell a 20 years-old Audi from a brand new one. Their styling has been timelessly boring.

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

@@Love2Cruise audis are timelessly ugly after about 5 years

[@jo_magpie]

Love how Mark and Jack has divided the two clothing brands for middle age, middleclass American men between them. North Face and Patagonia.

[@maxamende4563]

I honestly thought they were sponsored by Patagonia for some time

[@tickandslug]

Don't forget columbia whenever they go fishing

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

I've been watching for years and had no idea what Patagonia was. I imagine most don't. Must be a middle America thing? Back patio survival clothes?

[@wmahmoo]

@@iHaveTheDocuments It's more of a 20-40's yuppies in tech/finance bro thing

[@tickandslug]

@@iHaveTheDocuments they're actually really good outdoors clothes but middle class white dudes wear it for no reason. It's like the middle class version of wearing camo all the time because you go hunting once a year

[@sanghoonlee5171]

Hey, it looks like a normal BMW. How effing sad is it that that's a compliment now?

[@benwells2338]

Haha right?! I’m surprised this model update didn’t at least get the 7 series nose considering the limousine class of car from the German makes tends to be the most conservatively styled, and even the 7 didn’t get a pass over by this latest design trend.

[@AhYesIndeedItsFunTime]

Right? The Gxx noses are atrocious

[@Eyeofnelms]

and then the grille grows and people complain. There's no pleasing them.

[@TheAdnanmajor]

That car depreciated by $10,000 by the time I was done watching this video. 🧏🏻‍♂️

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

And the cooling system and vanos failed.

[@fvlok]

So true. Hahaha

[@drk2803]

I've had my G30 540i for 3 months, and coming from a 3 series, I would not go back. The car is amazing and I personally find the drive very sporty and far superior to a 340i. Soul less would be an E class, this sedan is just amazing.

[@apem0de]

@Franz Fanon shame they're not continuing the kia stinger line 😭 but i guess the g70 genesis is pretty much the same car

[@apem0de]

@Franz Fanon same, its why im watching this video trying to convince myself a 2020 540i is a good purchase 🤣🤣

[@apem0de]

@Franz Fanon i haven't, but I've been hearing great things about the b58 in the 540i, and im honestly trying to escape the v8 world LOL. I currently drive a lexus 570 and whatever costs i saved on reliability im probably spending every week on petrol 🥴

[@apem0de]

@Franz Fanon haha cheers man, i can imagine wanting a v8 to drive daily, but Dubai's speeding fines are way too high and i cant bring myself to get anything too fast since i have a heavy foot, besides having TWO v8s would be the death of me 😭

[@apem0de]

@Franz Fanon im still just in my window shopping phase though since im abroad, if you go through with the m550 lmk how it feels

[@Luboiordanov]

I like the fact that you lift the car and show us the underbody of the car,no other car review do lift up.

[@FSXairpilot]

Jay Leno does

[@blakslee720]

Goodness, when you’re a poor car enthusiast, you forget how fast the new “normal” cars are.

[@jeffmurray1681]

Yeah, its insane.

[@Neojhun]

Multi Motor Electric Cars are death machines. Noob driver are incapable of handling the full power and instant response. Going to be a wild time on the roads when those become the majority.

[@supaahflyy]

@Aria and you own nothing. Paying to have an empty hand at the end of the day. Imo leases are designed for people who can't afford something to get into it. The exact demographic that shouldn't be leasing for that reason

[@supaahflyy]

@Aria are you getting confused with leasing vs borrowing money to pay off the car? What you're describing is borrowing to pay off a car which is still owning a car once you've paid it off. Leasing is just a rental basically. Is the terminology used in the US different to the UK and Aus for example?

[@supaahflyy]

@Aria I don't know your financial situation so I can't comment. But do your due diligence, if you're saving is $100 a month or $1200 a year and that's the make or break point for you, it really goes back to my first comment. Leasing is a strategy used to get people who can't afford a car, into that very car. Because at the end of the day pay $1200 more a year is piss change considering you get to keep the asset (depreciating asset admittedly) at the end of the term which you can then either keep or sell. There's plenty of videos online by financial experts much better at it than me that illustrate the type of situation where leasing makes sense and long story short, there's very few situations. Only if the person switches cars and wants the newest and most up to date car every 3 years. It's definitely not for people who want to make a financially sound choice. Again, I have no idea of your finances and don't claim to. But it's worthwhile doing your due diligence, it can't hurt

[@misztal2112]

Kramer : It's just a write off for them . Jerry : How is it a write off ? Kramer : They just write it off . Jerry : Write it off what ? Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is . Kramer : Do you ? Jerry : No . I don't . Kramer : But they do and they are the ones writing it off .

[@MrCrashBandicoot25]

I wish I had the last twenty seconds of my life back.

[@andoletube]

@@MrCrashBandicoot25 I liked it because I remember it. Good times with Seinfeld.

[@tim3172]

@@andoletube (Mr's post is literally the next line of dialog which Jerry says... not a criticism of the comment.)

[@andoletube]

@@tim3172 Yeah, I know, lol. Sorry, my humour is sometimes a bit obtuse!

[@musguelha14]

Life cycle impulse Jack, get it right because it's even more pretentious.

[@ErsinN]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6DShWx_hZarbbs Take a look at one of my projects that is no longer in my life, I will soon publish another video, make me think and help me show you a new project

[@j.3854]

Cock cycle repulse. I hate BMW.

[@jeffl1944]

@@amishparadise1924 volvos are bricks on wheels

[@Angry_Gnome]

@@jeffl1944 1990 called…

[@CmanCorporations]

I get it, BMW style isn't the most revolutionary, but it's timeless man. This will look as good in 15 years from now as it does today. It looks great.

[@KaiHinLkh]

You know it is probably not a good car to own when its savagegeese review is only 12 minutes long.

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Naw, that just means its not distinct

[@kamilb8232]

12 minutes because it's a good car but boring.

[@tomikivela7634]

@@kamilb8232 Yeah, hard to criticize anything and lacking a "soul" so hard to say anything that hasen't been said already, kinda a good thing for the typical bmw buyer.

[@alanhorn8253]

The owner could not let him have it for longer than that because of the rate of depreciation.

[@Zonno5]

Sometimes he gets access to press vehicles for a limited time so there's little opportunity for an in depth look. I also think there isn't much remarkable about this particular car.

[@jlolment]

"It's like buying a Mercedes" the absolute state of the german sedan

[@MrCarGuy]

@Zombie Head When you say "the absolute state of..." it is referring to the present. It's clear he was talking about current cars.

[@HrHaakon]

​@Zombie Head They have been saying since 2016 at least that they wanted to focus on quality more, because they see where the future is heading: Fewer new cars sold every year. People will buy cars and keep them longer. Well, if that's what the buyer wants, then you have to build cars that will do that. Is it soulless? Maybe if you want something a bit aggressive that can't quite help but eye poland hungrily, but that's not all of us.

[@markmiller3279]

@Zombie Head Yeah, but they really didn't have much choice, as small carmakers were pretty much doomed by the cost of modern research and development. Their traditional market of sports sedans and coupes has shrunk steadily and no independent carmaker left is focused on that small market category. BMW chose to broaden their products to include the bigger luxury car category and that kept them profitable.

[@rebeltvr6046]

@Zombie Head BMW has lost it's identity indeed. Merc = luxury. Audi = business. Lexus/Acura = reliability. Jag = British lux. Cadillac/Lincoln = American lux. BMW = ??? It used to be about being the best sports sedans. Now that AMG and the Audi Rs have caught up, BMW lost that advantage. So they're trying to be a Merc/Audi mix bag, and that leads to problems like this. I don't see them recovering from this tbh.

[@rebeltvr6046]

@Zombie Head Yes, sales department is to blame here. Hopefully they find their vision again. Honda is facing a similar problem.

[@moiggc]

Great opening monolog. But then, calling it soulless, is like missing everything that this car is about. The engineering perfection is the soul of this car. It's like firing your butler who excel in every aspect for being bad as a friend due to the lack of character. This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[@antoniomarsicola8608]

Well said. This is the end-game car for a family guy, and you can say it is better than any other car for the purpose, specially when you get criticized for being old fashioned by someone who owns a 2+ ton SUV that crashes at the moose test.

[@faffabout9412]

What he means is this car is great in the way a robot is great, but not the way Jimmy Hendrix was great. Its precise, not fun. If you dont get it, you probably never will.

[@Sam-os1lt]

@japanwatchconnection this. Rural America only has a taste for those ugly trucks

[@touchmetheclown69]

These old car reviewers are obssesed with "sports" and "fun" and they project that unto luxury cars.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

Have you driven one?

[@andrewhillman9632]

Absolutely one of the best reviews I’ve seen. You nailed this and that’s truly appreciated.

[@DennyJr22]

Is this the first Savage Geese video you've seen? Not that this one is bad by any stretch of the imagination but he has some epic ones on here...look up the Lexus LFA one...boing

[@Nick-es8fl]

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[@jackjr1]

"Like driving a spreadsheet" Was your best title for BMW

[@SpaghettiKillah]

Get this at -40% off after 3 years with 30k miles on it and it's a great deal. That's how I buy my E Classes 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AStick3Pedals]

With some kind of warranty preferably

[@miikatj]

Indeed, my G31 had depreciated 46% in 2 years.

[@Obloms]

Yep, throw in 7 year, 100K warranty and you are good. If you get the car which is 2-3 year old you still have 4-5 year warranty.

[@AStick3Pedals]

@@Obloms that's why I have a Kia

[@salami99]

you're the one buying my eclasses? lucky you, they get full service and never drive more than 30 minutes a time

[@iceman480]

I thank the KZbin Algorithm for recommending me this channel great content

[@dougrobinson8602]

Hit that subscribe button SG needs the support.

[@iceman480]

@@dougrobinson8602 I been subscribed though

[@dougrobinson8602]

@@iceman480 Good for you. Spread the word!

[@Raymanujan]

me too

[@trith72]

I bought a 2023 540i a couple of months ago and hands down it's the best sedan I have ever driven in my 36 years of being a licensed driver in the USA. I've owned a lot of vehicles, some real beaters when I was young and didn't have money, and several different luxury choices in the last 15 years or so when I had money to get what I wanted, and the BMW 540i has beaten them all in terms of performance, luxury, fun, drivability, looks, value, and service. This includes Mercedes, Genesis, and Lexus to name a few, all of which I have owned and ran screaming from eventually. Mercedes because of the terrible performance and painful suspension and road noise, Genesis for the horrific customer service experience (thanks Hyundai, you ruined what could have been a monster of a brand by treating your luxury customers the same as the folks with 500 credit scores buying a turd), and Lexus, which always felt like I had overpaid for what i got, which was an hyper expensive Toyota. BMW mitigated all of these issues for me. I don't think I will ever buy another brand at this point in my life.

[@robwoods5434]

For the record - I absolutely love the 5 series. The engine is the best reason to get a 540i.

[@jsfbay1]

Yeah, I just wish that you could figure out the engine based on the last 2 digits of the model like you once could. To me, a 540 has a 4 liter V8. I guess I'm 20 years behind the curve...

[@ruhaan6216]

@@jsfbay1 Generally 40s have a 6 cylinder and 50 and above have V8s

[@bvedant]

@@jsfbay1 with turbocharging and electrification it would be a lot more cumbersome to distinguish power output without this new scheme. I tend to agree with you though.

[@MarkRVillano]

The narration for this video should have started: "If you have money you don't really need, and nothing better to do with it ...... " Well ... I guess that if you can afford the price of admission, you can afford to pay extra money for butter on your popcorn too.

[@THESLlCK]

Exactly, it's a serious waste.

[@madsqil19]

That used to be my joke about Audi’s. Sad that it’s come to this.

[@THESLlCK]

@J B camry's drive better than this heap

[@THESLlCK]

@J B Well you got the last part right, keep your distance lol

[@THESLlCK]

@J B HAHAHHAHA EMOJI SPAM BIG FUNNY

[@asannurgaly8425]

I really like your style of reviews. Calm without overreacting, very pleasant to watch. Thanks for the review👍

[@thehauke7981]

I drove a 540i for some days and loved it. Granted, it’s not as passionate as a Ferrari, but for everyday use show me a more refined car.

[@alexk3352]

"When you're making $100k a year..." Dude, that's not nearly enough to afford this car, unless you live with your parents or somewhere where the cost of living is extremely low.

[@RichardinNC1]

Lease payments are only $650 or so per month. Should be affordable unless you go crazy on a house payment or live in CA.

[@wrxrob]

My friend makes $115K, and just bought a used $14K Hyundai. $100K is not quite the ticket to financial freedom.

[@yeetusdeletus9]

@@wrxrob your friend is very smart financially. Unfortunately, not many people are that smart

[@DriverDude100]

@@RichardinNC1 The car they test drove stickers for $73k. Leasing on that car is going to be closer to $800+/month, especially when you consider taxes..

[@alexk3352]

@@DriverDude100 Not only that, but the maintenance is quite a bit more expensive than a non-luxury car.

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

These 540s start becoming a VERY viable option in 3-4 years when they hit the used market at a much lower price point 20s-30s. It’s not a competitor at 80 grand, but after the built in depreciation has hit, its definitely a real option for plenty of people. What’s important to know, is that the 540i has one of the most reliable, efficient, and powerful drivetrains BMW has produced in probably 12 years. At this point I would be perfectly comfortable owning a 2017 or 2018 for 30 grand, with 35,000 miles on it. I am aware it will have a cost to maintain just like *any* modern car, but that $50,000 discount makes up for it. I also don’t see myself trying to drive it 150,000 miles into the ground, like some of you assume be default. For me, and many others it will check all the boxes just fine.

[@jaycarr5348]

This is spot on

[@james10165]

Spot on, just picked one up for the mid 30s fully loaded with 40k miles. B58 engine is reliable and easily tunable if you ever get the itch.

[@davidw7609]

Agree, although, I would say an 18 with 30k miles is prob north of 40 grand but still. definitely will be looking for one of these in 3 years

[@devn3813]

That depreciation doesn’t happen anymore and it won’t happen again

[@thedragon356]

@@devn3813 but it is car prices are already dropping to normal levels give it 6 months to a year and we will be back to pre Covid used market

[@jkandybar]

I’m on my 3rd Five series in a row, about to be 4th. Amazing car. In my opinion, much better looking than the A6 and E Class, especially in M-Sport form. Yes, it’s more luxury than sport and that’s why I love it. BMW isn’t stupid, they know their customer.

[@rogerclarke2191]

And all 3 within 6 years!

[@fabolousjada5070]

no btw is better than a Mercedes now a days your on drugs lol

[@bvedant]

I hope at least one of them was an E39!

[@libreultimate]

Great b-roll, camera angles, quality audio, narration, well versed hosts. Nobody seems to mention it but this channel deserves much more recognition. Great review

[@nvkulk]

70k In 2021 7k In 2031

[@johntyson]

70k a year in repairs to keep it running.

[@palpatov]

A lot sooner than that, i bet. Your cooling system will get tired in about 5 to 6 years, so by year 10 you would have replaced most of it...

[@dair7947]

@@johntyson hilarious

[@RK1FX]

@@johntyson bitch please. 70k on an m5, probably, but not on this ffs

[@pnourani]

@@palpatov that's highly exaggerated. You will easily be able to drive this ten years without any big issue if we're being honest. I hate this wrap BMWs get as if they're made from cardboard. But with a car with a lot of tech like this you want to make sure you maintain it.

[@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow]

I fell in love with the 5 series a couple years ago -- hope to get one as my next car. Such a great cruiser. I didn't expect to like it at all, but got invited to one of those BMW drive events and was pleasantly surprised.

[@liberteus]

Love the intros every single time. I can't watch every videos of yours, but honestly your content is very informative, relaxing in its own way, insightful, funny. Definitely the best car channel on KZbin.

[@ChrisWalksFast]

Mr. Goose is the type of KZbinr that other cartubers go to watch before they put out a review.

[@snail415]

Thanks for the thorough review! Sincerely, Henry Catchpole

[@DavidTrumbly]

I love the song choices and you guys always have a great track shown on the display! Never change.

[@rollydoucet8909]

A number of years ago, I purchased a two year old (at the time) 2014 535i with X Drive and the M Sport package. The car had 23,000 miles on it, and was stored during the winter. Now, it's six years old with 53,000 miles on it and still looking like a showroom model. This spring, I plan an buying a new M5, I can hardly wait.

[@FrankW1029]

I traded my 2014 535i m Sport for the 21 540 m sport

[@Rastafarian549]

BMW 5 Series: brought to you by the smell of sterile medical equipment.

[@nicholaslee5473]

Not as sterile as Audi's offering

[@GaganGrewalf095]

@@nicholaslee5473 Not only sterile but abruptly sterile... and rife with build quality issues (2018 onwards specifically)

[@Vaino_Hotti]

From (short) experience, I'd say the new 5-series the least sterile and has the most character of the big three german sedans. But they're all very sterile anyways. And IMO the beemers center screen is the best, partly because you don't have to touch it almost at all.

[@oxysz]

@@GaganGrewalf095 you are saying the Audi has bad build quality? Just got my first Audi a 2021 q5 e , and it seems to have better build quality than the c class I had . Not as nice looking mind you but I mean the buttons and everything are so solid and clicky.

[@GaganGrewalf095]

@@oxysz It's bitter sweet tbh. Check out the C8 A6 owners' reporting issues on Audi-sport.net . One of them had the entire dash replaced. It was under warranty of course. But for a car costing as much as that, one would expect it to not spend that much time in the dealership getting fixed. The payment's still keep getting paid every month but what Audi give you for a "courtesy" car is not an A6, most likely a manual A1 or A3 ! My own C7 A6 developed a rattle one month from new and the dealers could not locate the source. Recently when looking for a long term replacement, I test drove the C8 A6 myself, and in 15 minutes of test drive, the test car developed the popular rattle/squeak. Also, the driver aids stopped working, the dashboard lit up like a festive tree. For me I would personally not go near a VAG product. But fo course, YMMV :-)

[@night5091]

I just got a 2021 M550, that’s where it’s at with the 5 series. Best value for $. Car is crazy.

[@sphaera3809]

We can thank Mercedes and BMW for setting the standards for what a modern sedan should be. Still one of the most refined options IMO, and a great value if bought used with only a few years of usage.

[@hellocar123]

yeah they do the best executive sedans for sure

[@KealeyOnCars]

This is such a great review! One thing I noticed however: this is the first implementation of the B58 mild hybrid system from BMW besides the M440i. The 48V starter-generator motor not only competes with Mercedes M256 straight six, it add 3mpg to both city and highway driving (now 32 highway according to the EPA). For a car that does 0-60 in under 5 seconds, that’s incredibly impressive! While it may not have much of a soul, I actually can advocate for this. As an enthusiast, it’s nice to have that one boring car. A car to cleanse your pallet, that just works, won’t complicate your life, and reminds you when you get out and step into a true driver’s car... just how special that 2nd and 3rd car is in your rich ass garage... because that’s exactly who’s going to buy a 5 series.

[@dailyrant4068]

BMW engines/powertrain are similar some of the most amazing engineering there is. People talk about horsepower and all that but you really don't get the same level of power vs efficiency as you do in their engines (Of course we know BMW underrates them too so there's that)

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

It’s also fair to say BMW has a lot more experience building modern inline-6 engines, and frankly I’d rather have theirs than Mercedes recent attempt.

[@davecom3]

@@dailyrant4068 if you go back roughly 40 years, BMW were practising black magic on their engines even then. Motor journalism found it mind boggling that a 3.5 litre petrol engine with 290hp could get roughly 25mpg on a spirited run, when the same engine of similar displacement from Porsche would struggle to get high teens. Hell, even something as performance oriented as an E46 M3 or the new Z4 with the b58 will get 30+ mpg.

[@ariellubonja7856]

@@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Mercedes has also had inline 6 for forever. The original gullwing had one

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

@@ariellubonja7856 I’m well aware of their history. They don’t compete with BMWs I6 development

[@jbbeckel]

Just discovered your channel last night but, I must say your videos are lovely. I appreciate your breakdowns, the simple yet elegant feel to your filming.

[@ponrix]

When he said "when you work 50-60 hrs a week", it made sense. When you work that much and your driving home, you want to feel what you work for so hard.

[@worldofz00]

I’m work 50-70 hrs a week, and with the amount of hours I put, I want that salary in my pocket and not force me to continue to work those hours to pay for a car. Everyone’s different I suppose.

[@supaahflyy]

@@worldofz00 no point being on your deathbed telling your grandkids how much money you saved.

[@worldofz00]

@@supaahflyy Not sure why you took my comment to the deathbed. You either work 40 hrs per week, work part time, or don't work at all. You'll understand in years time.

[@supaahflyy]

@@worldofz00 because it's a philosophical outlook that brings nothing to your life at the end of the day. That's the point I'm bringing up. Saving within reason is different to just being cheap and enjoying nothing even when you are able to

[@worldofz00]

@@supaahflyy I agree with you of saving within reason. Back to my point, I work 50-70 hours. It's difficult to put in those hours and be stuck in a room all week + weekends long. I place a tremendous value on the effort it takes me to bring money in. Within the context of video and personally, I could not fathom spending it on a 5-series when you can arguably settle for something more reasonable (which I believe is your point). Others would and do, good for them.

[@rashadarbab2769]

Its the drive train and handling you buy BMW's for. They have had some real lookers in the past but through and through its always been how confidence-inspiring the handling is that sells BMW's.

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Last time I was this early Turbowski was still co-host.

[@DV-ou1yu]

What happen to him?

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

I heard he finally blew a head gasket when for the 1,000 time a customer came into his shop with a rusted POS dodge vehicle and bitched about how much it was going to cost to fix it.

[@barrygoldwasser5449]

That guy was a disaster. Not even sure what Mark saw in him or why he kept putting him on the videos

[@andoletube]

@@barrygoldwasser5449 Yep. He had the enthusiasm of somebody who was there to complete his mandatory hours of community service.

[@markmiller3279]

@@barrygoldwasser5449 Yeah, yet there are commenters almost every week who want him back. They seem to think he was funny, when all I saw was grumpy.

[@doug9194]

Your car reviews and production quality of your videos are always top of the line. Great Review! I enjoyed it!

[@wotertool]

The first 3 minutes sound like I'm watching nVidias introduction to their ray tracing implementation (RTX). It just works. Thanks Jensen.

[@bethehammer0676]

How much for the optional turn signal package?

[@fabianherrmann6398]

and a years supply of blinker fluid

[@wrxrob]

@@fabianherrmann6398 that blinker fluid requires a subscription fee, sorry.

[@sephiros9883]

Clearly too much since nobody takes it....

[@PedroTRamos1]

I remember when that was funny, like 8 years ago

[@bethehammer0676]

@@PedroTRamos1 Nothing funny about it, Pedro. In the past 8 years I haven’t seen a single BMW driver use their turn signal.

[@OneNotNumb]

My kind of car. I’m okay with boring. I want it to not bug me, be reliable, keep my comfy. That’s it.

[@SiamHossain7]

A Bimmer being reliable is a bit dicey though, why not an Acura TL or a Genesis G70?

[@ShaiyanHossain]

>bmw >reliable yeah the b58/zf8 is fine but what about the rest of the car?

[@shoersa]

I heard the word "Camry" in this video. You could get 2 or 3 of them for the money talked about here. Why not a Camry? I am impressed by my 2018 LE.

[@RedNekLvr22]

@@shoersa Personally, I wouldn't go to the bottom rung and get an LE, but I'd be content with a fully-equipped SE, and would consider an XSE if the deal was right. That being said, while the BMW checks every box for me, even if I had the money to buy a 5-series, I'd still go with the Camry or Avalon, or even better a Honda Accord Sport with a 6-speed manual?

[@ivanandreevich8568]

I drove this back to back with a C43 AMG, Genesis G70, Genesis G80, Infinity Q50s, Lexus RC F today. I - a regular run of the mill driver who has never been to the track - have NO IDEA why you keep saying it's not a sports sedan. It's fucking fast, the transmission is fast, the engine is epic, the awd system inspires confidence. Do you need me to what - corner at 100 kph while flooring it? I'm not going to do that in any of those. This was my favorite car of the bunch, and used it was within 5-10K of all the rest of them. Character, passion? Put an exhaust and a tune with 80 more HP on it. Come on!

[@markallen4514]

I've owned several 5 series. Here's the thing, in every product class going from good to very good to great isn't linear. that next 5% isn't going to be 5% more, it's going to be twice as expensive. For someone like me who drive 30k miles a year, I want the best experience I can have during those many hours on the road and I don't mind paying more, ji don't mind paying for nice meal even though I could get 5 In-n-Out burgers for the same price. Another thing worth mentioning is the BMW leasing scheme makes it really attractive to rent BMWs year after year. Thanks as always for an excellent review.

[@JonnyBeoulve]

Well said.

[@neelkrishna]

Can you explain what you mean about the leasing scheme? Lease prices seem very expensive for 5 series in NJ

[@socialweedia]

drove the pre facelift 530 hybrid for a while and loved every bit of it! just feels like a car, and with the options ticked out quite a luxurious one. with the traction control turned off you can even sense some of the BMW dna

[@toweringhorse2054]

You know you’ve successfully developed a car when the only flaw is that it does everything too well

[@mharro88]

Except it's not dynamic at all and boring as shit

[@raxxmoriti]

Gti Joins the chat

[@benjanorris]

Anyone else love the differing opinions and the counter arguments these two have at times? Love hearing two sides of an argument

[@keweenawbee]

All this has been true since your first G01 review. Glad you've finally had the time to absorb it.

[@dmfamzo]

01:15 is perfection ! Goodness gracious those interiors!!!

[@roofpizza1250]

How to turn 70 thousand into 20 thousand in 4 years.

[@petersinclair3997]

Good for buyers who wait four years and seek out a good unit with low mileage. Not only BMW.

[@wigletron2846]

@@petersinclair3997 until you make up the difference in repairs. Cars like this are lease only. And they lease so cheaply it really makes no sense to buy

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

@@wigletron2846 how are you going to spend 50k on repairs?

[@petersinclair3997]

@@wigletron2846 Think what you say was once very true, yet, at least a decade good design and robotic manufacture have improved prospects. I have found buying a four year old, very low mileage Jaguars and keeping for four years not a problem. With my current XF 3.0 DTT, I have only paid for scheduled servicing, tyres and a faulty fuel monitor, after three years ownership. I pay cash. For a new car, agree, yes, leasing might be better.

[@rogerclarke2191]

That's almost EXACTLY what happened when I was dumb enough to buy a Mercedes. Same figures!

[@rico4you]

Review with so much Soul of a car with no Soul. SPOT ON!

[@jgionti3]

Amazing video. I want that car even more after watching your review. Thanks for a great review.

[@imaheatfan]

Flight of the Concords... LOVE IT!

[@Raymanujan]

It's Business Time because this is a businessman car.

[@theunown1912]

Perfect car to smash 300 miles and be fresh enough to present effectively. Love Lexus until I took a trip in one of these recently, this really gave me a different view on what a long trip can be.

[@billmorrigan386]

Yeah, BMWs are better. Don't know why they are complaining about them being no longer sports cars. Nonsense. Sound dampening is good 'cause you can listen to music with more comfort. Even the McLaren GT adds sound dampening and some luxury touches such as a good sound system. And it's still a fully fledged sports car. If the 540i is not nimble enough, they should look at 3rd and 2nd series (as cars are getting bigger). Those lower series BMWs are more nimble and fun but they won't have the same luxury or noise isolation. It's a good alternative between el cheapo cars like Hondas, Toyotas, Hyundais, etc and something like a Bentley. The latter is gonna cost an arm and a leg in terms of upkeep and possible repairs. Yeah, the Bentley is gonna have way more luxury but BMWs are more fun IMO. It's so ridiculous them complaining about this BMW like if BMW didn't produce 2nd and 3rd series. They should praise it; not compare with worse cars saying they don't see much difference. The difference is huge: BMWs do 0-60 in 3-7 seconds depending on the version. Japanese and Korean cars can't do that unless they are dedicated small coupes. In the latter case, the Porsche Cayman and the BMW M2 will also shred them to pieces, but they might still complain about exuberant price tags.

[@dragospahontu]

@@billmorrigan386 BMW always makes the best engines. This is a fact.

[@emirzymberi3577]

Thats why people judge without trying it, in video they say why pay double as Camry ( have a camry for 4 yrs) Yes it is worth it as double as camry bcs with camry you suffer everyday

[@dragospahontu]

@@emirzymberi3577 Camry is pretty damn well made though. Comfort wise, the Camry is not miles off.

[@billmorrigan386]

@@dragospahontu That's true. Japanese cars are well made and are reliable. Performance-wise the BMW will shred the Camry to pieces.

[@alanhorn8253]

There was an old study that indicated the most popular cars for millionaires were Camrys and Accords. Plenty of wealthy people just don't care or don't want to wealth signal. But, much like college, we can think of the cost of a car as both the price, maintenance, insurance etc and the time you spend in it. So if you are very wealthy, odds are you want to minimize real cost by making the time spent in the car as nice as possible. Since more of today's rich are extremely rich, this time maximization correctly dominates their thinking. It is the flip side of the idea that someone near the poverty line with no safety net is usually best served by making extra money and/or saving everywhere they can.

[@cr101]

Spot on

[@ronin1914]

I've been driving this (the 530 Xi) for 2 weeks and could not agree more with you guys. It is a clear step up from the 3 series, and does everything great. The question is about its price point and diminishing returns...yes it's better, but not twice as good as an accord. That said once the novelty were off it really is a no-nonsense car that just works. The notable exception being (i) the object sensor thinking it's hitting walls everywhere when it's snowing and (ii) the cheap plastic clicking sound of the volume knob on the steering wheel. Otherwise, it's solid

[@dungernator]

Savagegeese being a flight of the conchords fan doesn't surprise me but does make me happy

[@justinfay3011]

Some people say that rappers don’t have feelings... we have feelings

[@darrene.mathews5566]

Mark, you nailed it when you said: "There's an emotional reason to spend this kind of money on a car." I agree 100%. There are many subtleties of a vehicle that specs cannot capture. It's the same reason some guys might choose a 'plain' woman for a mate. She has that inevitable something, that je ne sais quoi, which other men who only judge women by their outward appearance completely miss.

[@rogerclarke2191]

Never forget "buxom"...

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

For sure.

[@runner3033]

I love the MotorWeek-inspired button mashing in the interior, takes me back...

[@ksmuffin]

My 2018 M550i just hit 100,000 miles and I have done nothing but basic maintenance. The weirdest issue I had was replacing a DRL light module. The whole time I was 0-60ing in 3.6 seconds and getting 30 MPG on the highway with Eco Pro mode while getting back massages. I had this experience for less than the price of a new Toyota Camry. To me the G30 M550i is V8 perfection. If I want ideal handling on the track I just take out my MX-5.

[@whatchis1120]

This is exactly why I have never bought one of the new bmw's they've lost their way and are price high as hell. I drive 30k miles a year mainly interstate I have a Maxima Platinum for that plenty of power, good mpg, low maintenance, has all the features I need paid 22k for it with 14k miles. I'm just saving a extra few grand and buying an all out sports car most likely a 911 S 991 2015-16 for it being the last years of the N/A 3.8 for in the 70-90k range and will hold it there.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

honestly more people should invest in mundane dailies and have a special weekend car, but alas people need one car that does it all hence why x6ms are a thing

[@dailyrant4068]

More non sense, BMW doesn't charge more than what the same class charges (Audi A6, Benz E-class). Your argument about having a Maxima is reasonable, but I can make the same argument that a Honda accord is even a better value purchase than a Maxima. People always make arguments about pricing which are frankly just ignorant. Whenever you look at pricing of a product, you have to compare to the market they compete in. BMW sits right at the middle of the pack, slightly more $$ than Audi and slightly cheaper than Benz in almost every category.

[@whatchis1120]

​@@dailyrant4068 Yes their all the same price but they have went up stupidly high compared to a normal car like my maxima with the same options. I just don't see the appeal anymore, grew up dying for one and they just seem to basic for the price in my opinion. I still like them design and driving wise but still undecided to ever buy one, maybe cpo. I don't like Accords and it would take a 2.0t touring so 40k new to have the same options when I bought the max in 2018, so not a better value, and it was all new with the 2.0t so reliability was up in the air vs a 20 year old motor.

[@whatchis1120]

@@ShaiyanHossain An X6M doesn't make sense to drive 30k miles a year. BMW V8 are a lease only as they are notorious for oil guzzling, valve seat issues that still plague them today, along with it have M car issues as usual. An SUV isn't my forte either, I have a truck for those duties.

[@megaxboxx]

hahaha tries to be the voice of reason, buys a maxima.... garbage car

[@iBlewupthemoon98]

The ultimate leasing machine

[@yes8032]

Driving

[@DashingnDining]

You guys make portraying something soulless beautiful. Thank you.

[@aripattymiranda8859]

I love that flight of the concords are part of your "liked" playlist

[@xxwhatevahxx]

"Lacking character, passion" (i think so for any new BMW) is for me two things: 1. Turbo, i dont like turbo/chargers, i think its a horsepower cheat and a engineering cheat, i want a real N/A engine.... the sound/performance is important... 535i used to mean a 3.5-4.0+ Litre V8 back in the days.... now its a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder TURBO..... ***** offf...... 2. Automatic gearbox etc... yes, its comfortable, but i feel less used/in control, feel BORED... i think just destroys the fun & spoils the fun (not to mention the engine sound/shifting)... certainly doesnt exploit the engines capability aswell.... N/A engines and manual gearbox is the way BMW used to do it ALWAYS, what set them apart and made me love them over Mercedes/Audi... but now they went the same shitty TURBO route....

[@rab000rab000]

A lot of times Mark contradicts himself and other times he talks nonsense, BUT the show absolutely has character! So I watch it:)

[@ginogina4589]

18 BMWs and Minis since 1992. Everything works. Fast. Quiet. Solid attentive dealer network. I don’t want to deal with shit either. The 5 series is my next ride.

[@Schmago]

I own a 17 540i x drive that I’ve tuned to stage 2. Bought it with 35k miles a year ago for 37.5k. Huge bang for the buck and best car I’ve ever owned, no issues in 10k miles of tuned driving.

[@mharro88]

Blacked out lol

[@666chew]

Soul less super sedan? Sign me up. Boy racer is so yesterday.

[@vidalvosilvinodacostafilho3720]

Beautiful interior, great suspension and all wheel drive! For those who want a real sport sedan, the M5 version could be the right choice

[@mikir.9698]

You de best videos by far! Keep it up man!

[@markk3453]

" just works" till your engine light comes on a month later for no reason or a sensor glitch lol

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

Check engine light won’t be seen until it’s old, and cheap enough for you to afford.

[@cupompa]

@@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Can confirm, I own a 13 year old BMW I fixed that had CEL. Drives great 👍

[@maxheadroom224]

Nice propaganda Mark. Enjoy your Lexus es300

[@tonysterbenc]

@@maxheadroom224 You were mistaken. Mark's Lexus LC was much more expensive than this car.

[@maxheadroom224]

​@@tonysterbenc um something about 425 E Valencia Ave... something something, 847 area code, maybe a little 312, something something, 9699...

[@ramadjones]

.... what an odd review. "This car is fantastic. Excellent engine, smooth transmission, quiet, plush interior, wonderful interface with plenty of tech. I hate it." I guess I don't understand what you mean by "soulless." Do you need more engine roar? Is the cabin too quiet? Do you want a harsher ride for it feel more sporty? What do you do to give an expensive luxury car that is trying to be quiet, fast and dependable, soul?

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Some people only ever order vanilla ice cream. That's who this car is for. Nothing wrong with it, tastes great, does the job and is about as exciting as watching golf.

[@gordontheman6151]

Only way for a new car to have a soul is by it being a really sporty sportscar. Or by waiting for it to age and grow on you. The "soul" a car gets is created by the experiences and memories you have with it.

[@AlanForde-CheyneMS]

Lexus auto enthusiasts are used to the soulless comments, BMW fans will get used to it too. I think this is an amazing car that I would lease if I had the $$$$

[@OlJackBurton]

Manual transmission, louder naturally aspirated V8 or a naturally aspirated high redline I6 including a much better sounding exhaust, mechanical steering or any type of steering better than those found in modern BMWs, better handling, much better exterior styling, more bespoke interior styling, you know, things BMW used to have instead of just being a faster but less attractive, less reliable, but more expensive Genesis...

[@pettersaethre]

@@OlJackBurton being critical(geese) of this cars interior is imo ridiculous, its as beautiful as it is functional. exteriors of modern cars(drooped nose and rear) have changed for better fuel economy/emission, so unavoidable. the sound and power is easy to vastly improve with a downpipe, piggyback and intake. looks and potentially handling is imo improved with wheel spacers. sure it feels more muted with inputs and feedback then cars 15-20 years ago..but so is `every` competing car

[@chbrules]

Business owner here. I expensed off multiple BMW leases - including a BMW 550i M Sport. Nice cars, but I ditched the lease after a year and got a Corvette. Never looked back.

[@hellothere4342]

Excellent summary as to why we buy the 5 series. It just bloody work without gimmicks.

[@repete74]

This is more than twice as good as a noisy plastic Camry and Accord. There is also the feel-good factor of finally being able to afford a brand you had as a poster growing up.

[@binzhao7445]

I just got one of these for ~74k USD in China. But it is only a 530 with 2.0T engine. The good thing is it is lone-wheel-based. The backseat space is insanely large. This makes the car much more versatile. It becomes not as fun to drive, but most people buy these cars not just for the driving experience.

[@bvedant]

Aren't most of your roads straightaways anyway?

[@Tarrant64]

Great vid. Would be interested in a future video on the new G80 M3 coming - maybe even a comparison head-to-head with the M340i or X3 M40i or similar.

[@grahamggg7527]

now that you can get one of these in the mid/high 30s with well under 50k miles and CPO warranty, they're much more compelling - great video as always

[@_ALPHA_619]

I bought a preowned 2018 M550i x drive with less than 10k miles for half of msrp. It’s perfect to me after you get off work it just works like you said. It complements my 2020 m4 heritage 6 spd.

[@s.c.1972]

I also recently bought a CPO M550i. Amazing value. My car's original MSRP was close to 90k .it is loaded with options, and I paid about half of what it was new. It's not an M5, but it is an amazing daily driver that does everything well. In comfort mode it is so quiet, smooth, and luxurious, but at the push of a button it goes into Sport+ mode and it is loud, shifts blindingly fast, and handles extremely well. It's not a sports car and it's no M5, but for the price paid it is an insanely amazing DD that is Jekyll/Hyde. you get the best of both worlds. When you factor in that you can relatively cheaply extend the CPO warranty out a couple more years, you also get warranty/peace of mind for years to come. The 540i is a great car, but a CPO M550i would be less expensive and way more fun.

[@mharro88]

Nobody cares.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

I had a 530i as a loaner. It's a nice car the way Lexus is nice. Boring to drive, very comfortable. So why not get the Lexus, get the reliability and resale value instead? It costs less, too.

[@dailyrant4068]

Because Lexus are Toyota powertrains which are not even as performance-oriented as the very base models... there is simply no comparison between a "300 hp" Lexus and a "335hp" BMW... they will feel like a 100 hp difference, not 35 any day. Lexus literally has the slowest vehicles out of all the luxury brands, not to mention mostly FWD. And LFA is a super niche product that is simply not mass market.

[@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX]

Because the Lexus is less attractive, the interior and infotainment are less thought out, the ‘new’ Lexus engine options are boring and weak and arguably no more reliable than the B58 engine in this 540i. With this BMW you are paying for the best you can get right now, with full intention to be rid of the car by the time the next one is released.

[@yes8032]

@@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX true

[@RedNekLvr22]

Are any of these luxury brands worth holding on to for more than a lease period? I don't know of many people who buy new true luxury cars that plan on keeping them 10+ years. And with all the new gadgets and tech, I question the reliability of many cars down the road.

[@RedNekLvr22]

@@dailyrant4068 You're absolutely right. Lexus had the worst engines by far.

[@Samada500]

The king of sedans baby.

[@vayneecoaug5662]

It would be interesting to see what is your reaction to 2021 E450 sedan or even E300 sedan. BTW high quality review every time. Really enjoy the shoppe part. Other car reviewers don’t do this( at least from my list). Happy 2021.

[@anokyekofiboateng628]

I wanted to jump off a building, then I subscribed. Then I wanted to jump of that building just a bit less.

[@goowatchi]

Are you Batman?

[@markm0000]

Keep it together man life goes on. Things will get better. Focus on changing your situation and improving your health.

[@snail415]

Show-off.

[@jerrybarrax5618]

LOL

[@saman-iw9tx]

@@goowatchi spider Man or super man

[@rauchmanufacturinginc.1641]

This guy is silly.. "Why would you buy this when you can buy a Accord or Camry for half the price?" Then gives his final thoughts in a Patagonia sweatshirt...

[@mrhdwhite]

I would love to know what the guys would recommend these days for those of us who love to get a 5 series if it still had soul? I love driving, need to occasionally pack on a couple of teens, and maybe head out to Joliet ACC a couple times a year.. what options exist?

[@shmser8401]

I would have liked to hear your thoughts on this 5-series compared to the Lexus ES 350 instead of the Camry/Accord/Avalon. Which one is better at being a soulless luxury sedan?

[@LuigiRandazzo21]

"Soul less" "fast, reliable" "you feel nothing" "no longer a sports sedan...its like buying a Mercedes" 😥😥😥😥😥

[@carenthusiast6748]

reliable ? dafug

[@descendinggod9740]

@@carenthusiast6748 Reliable for being unreliable LMAO

[@LuigiRandazzo21]

Have you driven a BMW lately? After their 2007-ish unreliable shitshow, they made sure ALL current generations are reliable.

[@hazardeur]

@@LuigiRandazzo21 haven't had a single fault with my 5 BMW's since 2010, nothing. them being unreliable is just bullshit from people who don't know better by now

[@3TimesFaster]

@@LuigiRandazzo21 This. All the people can only parrot the same shit every time. They were pretty unreliable in the first decade of this century. The F generations fixed almost everything that was wrong with them, especially once they switched over to the B-series engines from 2014 onwards.

[@topperharley8322]

Refined car, if I had a choice it'll be this over an M5 any day. Mark, Jack any chance you guys are gonna get an Audi Q5 55 e Quattro for review?

[@charliewaffles6996]

Maybe Audi plays hardball with these guys. Would be interesting to have a deep review since the power train is amazing.

[@wildbillclinton2748]

Ryan Douthit has reviewed it. Was quite good offroad.

[@mosswilson]

nice to see someone bringing back some literary class with the word "yesteryear"

[@BJA1127]

Love all your 5 series reviews and this 2021 seems to have addressed a multitude of issues in past models...YET...now it's "Soulless"! BMW can't win!! LOL!

[@RenaissanceBoss]

Human beings are never satisfied. They'll always find something to complain about. These incessant complaints and lack of gratitude are why BMW gave us the ugly G80 series. BMW designers said "F""k customer feedback, they'll always complain. We give them what we LIKE, they're gonna love it or hate it, we don't care".

[@questioner1596]

If you work hard and just want your car to work, isn't Lexus a better choice? 😂

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

Just get a Honda Accord. It's 70% as good for a fraction of the cost.

[@kristians2704]

@@user-xg6zz8qs3q If you can afford a luxury car then you want 100% of the features (not 70)

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

@@kristians2704 You're absolutely right. I can't tell you how to spend your money. Just consider that the type of people most likely to use coupons at a grocery store are millionaires! Seriously. So for that specific group of stingy wealthy people, a BMW is utterly stupid. These people are most likely going to drive a used Toyota, Hyundai or Honda and don't want to stand out. When your finances are in check and you're wealthy, you have nothing to prove. Life is all about accumulating assets and reducing liabilities. I went off the deep end 😂😂

[@Quartzhawk878]

@@user-xg6zz8qs3q Weird, I thought you were supposed to live life, not save through it....

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

@@Quartzhawk878 I'm just describing a mentality rich people have. But I'll conclude that there's a fine line between "middle class with loads of debt" and "stingy wealthy".

[@raist315]

It's one of the best sedans on the planet, and completely soulless. I'm not sure if that was a compliment or not. But I like it.

[@brockb6]

The first 3min of the video are so on point. Signed BMW driver

[@mikemilenzio7555]

The "Final Thoughts" was excellent. There is no one perfect car, as much as there is no one perfect person.

[@anthonycbrown1952]

This vehicle as a 3-year old CPO purchase is an excellent and exceptional vehicle. No FWD biased car will ever perform like a 5-series or be as refined. The level of construction details and configurability is amazing and this is a vehicle one can appreciate of long drives. Due to the 3-year included service, any maintenance issues and software updates will be performed and not neglected.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

A three-year service plan is definitely not included in a certified preowned BMW purchase. They might’ve added onto you for an extra cost.

[@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77]

@@daytonasayswhat9333 He means that the previous owner will have done the required maintenance.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

@@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77 what does he mean that? I don’t see that it says included service three years.

[@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77]

@@daytonasayswhat9333 If you lease a BMW maintenance is covered. Therefore, if you buy a previously-leased vehicle, you can expect that the previous owner did the maintenance. Not sure where you're getting lost here.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

@@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77 for one, it’s worded that the CPO provides the maintenance plan, not the previous owner. Number two, your assumption that all CPO are previous leases is erroneous. Next, not every lease follows the maintenance plan, even if it’s free.