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@dudewuttheheck3 жыл бұрын
I love how Zain says he thinks Pika sucks even though he personally loses to Axe. The humility and honesty is impressive. He says he's going to prove it to Blur (presumably by beating Axe) showing that he has confidence in himself rather than using any excuse as a crutch.
@deejay41393 жыл бұрын
Zain has the best mental game, possibly of any smasher ever.
@Figgy200003 жыл бұрын
Completely the opposite of Leffen who just bitches about match ups everytime he loses. The fact he thinks puff beats fox only because HBox shat on him is honestly the dumbest worst take I've ever heard in the history of melee.
@Radarssbm3 жыл бұрын
Saying “pika sucks” doesn’t necessarily mean “pika sucks vs Marth” though lol
@yobobby93 жыл бұрын
@@Figgy20000 I dont even main fox but Leffen is usually right on the nail with fox vs puff/marth especially from a mental/tournament game aspect. IDK why so many people take it that way.
@Figgy200003 жыл бұрын
@@yobobby9 If by mental aspect you mean he gets tiltied because HBox fucks him up the ass every time they play sure. Lets not forget Armadas insane winning record against him tho. Leffen just can't accept that Hungrybox was always a better player than he was. Same as he still can't accept Zain is a much better player and changing characters is never going to fix that fact.
@phiz26503 жыл бұрын
zain: talking about matchups that actually matter me: focusing on why dk is higher than ganon
@moddedpan42523 жыл бұрын
I feel like a case could be made for it, DK has alright mobility and cargo throw shenanigans (he's also less commonly used than gdorf so the matchup unfamiliarity might give him an edge, not sure if that should influence tier placement or not though)
@AnonymouslyHidden3 жыл бұрын
ganon on yoshi's is so good ppl don't even know
@snailcakes91193 жыл бұрын
@@AnonymouslyHidden ganon on yoshis is a tier higher but you only get it once
@peytonwinstead34123 жыл бұрын
Old thread but I play a lot of ganon and DK is better against spacies which should have a huge bearing on tier lists IMO. Ganon is better against floaties though
@YURTZYN422 жыл бұрын
@@peytonwinstead3412 DK and Ganon are both ass vs spacies and sheik. They're both generally better against floaties, Ganon is more explored whereas DK is better on a few more stages like Stadium and FD (Specific MUs). DK is better at edgeguarding and Ganon hits harder, they're quite comparable, but DK's mobility and better recovery gives him the edge, he's just less popular. Also Ganon is significantly easier to chaingrab than DK, so that kinda matters too.
@sliceofpi27683 жыл бұрын
Remember though: a skilled roy can beat any puff.
@myboy_3 жыл бұрын
He's doodoobutter against puff other than up b cheese
@sam.lipchutz3 жыл бұрын
By skilled do you mean TAS?
@petrapine49953 жыл бұрын
@@sam.lipchutz bro zain almost beat hbox in that set so no not at tas level
@sam.lipchutz3 жыл бұрын
@@petrapine4995 he didn’t beat him and it was online and Hbox hasn’t been at his best and I don’t think he was trying his hardest
@petrapine49953 жыл бұрын
@@sam.lipchutz nice johns bro doesnt mean he couldnt beat him
@Aefax3 жыл бұрын
the most honest tier list ive ever seen
@jacobquackenbush29813 жыл бұрын
I love that your tier list video isn’t 45 min long
@jdotcash3 жыл бұрын
idc what no one says i fw tier list content. can’t have a sit down conversation with these ppl so it’s a way to pick their brain.
@pIayingwithmahwii3 жыл бұрын
i can. i have had sit down conversations with several players, such as zain. i can call him zain cuz its his real name and we're cool like that, but its whatevs :P
@IcebergSSBU3 жыл бұрын
We love your skits, but this is sick af to see a tier list from you! Keep doing the skits for sure, but I'm really interested in seeing more analysis videos from you! 😃
@FlamingZelda33 жыл бұрын
Censors every "shit" in the volleyball video. Says "sucks ass" 1,000 times in this one.
@AnonYmous-ob7py3 жыл бұрын
Blame KZbin demonetizing people
@lexkornelis91102 жыл бұрын
I think it's funny how Roy and Marth's positions are pretty much flipped in Ultimate. It kind of shows how both games are played; Melee is about precise gameplay and long combos (which is sick) and Ultimate is just about running at people and beating the shit out of them (which is also sick)
@GOODMORNINGOCEAN3 жыл бұрын
Finally a tier list that isn't 104 min long
@Mahamaru3 жыл бұрын
Everytime Zain says Marth, he's pretty much saying "Me" or "I"
@mjohnson28073 жыл бұрын
Not really, he says pikachu loses to Marth. (Yet he loses consistently to axe) I can confirm as a pikachu main, Marth and peach are not fun and seem unfair.
@mallow29023 жыл бұрын
Finally, a man of culture understanding that Luigi is the superior Mario Brother.
@mandalorianhunter13 жыл бұрын
Most people agree Luigi is better in Melee and Brawl. However, 64, Smash 4 and Ultimate, Mario is superior.
@sageosaka3 жыл бұрын
Stoked for the melee season to start back up again and see how much people have improved during the off-season.
@mvdbergrede3 жыл бұрын
Zain might not like putting things on KZbin, but I like Zain putting things on KZbin
@IstayHighAF3 жыл бұрын
You’re a smart guy Zain, even watching mango I see moments where he needs so much practice, and I’m a huge fan of his and falco main myself. I second Marth because it feels like an art to play him. But you outplay even what I can imagine with him.
@bfors84983 жыл бұрын
Love the way this video started, let's cut right to the MEAT
@peternguyen53143 жыл бұрын
Dude, this is the type of videos that will grow your channel, if that's your goal, so please don't hesitate to upload them
@SphazeTV3 жыл бұрын
I love tier list content
@zacharysteele3 жыл бұрын
thank you for not disrespecting Luigi like every other top player
@MitchBison3 жыл бұрын
good list. if sheiks start stepping up and winning big tourneys maybe i'll believe she's REALLY good (or maybe not cuz Wizzy and Armada won super majors with Falcon and Peach but those characters still aren't top tier). but i think she's in the tier with Falcon and Peach, cuz Wizzy and Armada proved those characters can solo win super majors, and, in theory, Sheik could too, but it just hasn't happened
@drakejoshofficialyoutubech55693 жыл бұрын
It's really weird how it hasn't happened yet considering Pikachu has even won a Major. I guess part of the issue is that the 2 best Sheik players, being M2K and Plup, both have a lot of good secondaries so they can just swap in a secondary in a bad match up. Would love to see solo Sheik a Major though
@JoeSmith-db4rq3 жыл бұрын
Idk... I feel like I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I reallllly enjoy tier lists and even though lots of people get shit on for doing too many, I honestly wish MORE (especially very specific/niche) tier lists were made haha. For example, it's already doe decently often, but I think a matchup tier list against various characters (especially Marth) is always informative. What I'd really like to see though are much more specific tier lists (especially ones that only Zain specifically can answer), such as ranking off of "best secondary for a Marth main," "characters easiest to pick up with Marth experience," stage rankings (with analysis) for each matchup, etc.
@Skapes112383 жыл бұрын
Keep up the grind Zain, aka the MD/VA savior.
@prizm95153 жыл бұрын
M2K puts Marth at 4th best, and he's been playing Marth for a long time. I'm not sure what to think at this point. I think the top 4 are all very well balanced. But each are good in their own way. Seriously how did Sakuri make such a well balanced game in 13 months?
@captainfalconmain65763 жыл бұрын
I agree I don’t see jigglypuff higher than marth maybe falco tho.
@diegobanegas99403 жыл бұрын
I’m glady you decided to upload this it was amazing!
@FigmentsofFiction3 жыл бұрын
You know it's a Melee tier list when you have 2 tiers just to categorize "Sucks"
@E-Brightvoid3 жыл бұрын
I swear I will show just how good Luigi is.
@t9t9t9t9t93 жыл бұрын
Said every player who just started playing a character xd
@user-hd4pj8yf9s3 жыл бұрын
wow a tier list not drawn out to like ten parts
@juniors87453 жыл бұрын
i dont think pikachu loses to marth, never, and capitan falcon, sheik, fox and falco beat marth, i know it because i m a marth player, the problem that i see here is that zain based this in his results and not in the reality
@heyzeuscreestow93943 жыл бұрын
Nah, git gud lul
@juniors87453 жыл бұрын
@@heyzeuscreestow9394 do you know how to write?
@heyzeuscreestow93943 жыл бұрын
@@juniors8745 Nah, I don't. I know how to type though. With yo run on sentence ass. :)
@kingturdle91003 жыл бұрын
why did I think this was gonna be a skit
@danistardust82643 жыл бұрын
because it is
@Yvs89623 жыл бұрын
Spacie Mains: We lose to Marth Everyone: STFU STOP COMPLAINING GIT GUD LERN2PLAY REEEEEEEEEE Zain: Marth beats both spacies Everyone: Ok :)
@crooker233 жыл бұрын
never seen a sensible take from anyone with a falco pfp
@ChristianTheChicken3 жыл бұрын
Get good
@Yvs89623 жыл бұрын
@@crooker23 I dont main Falco, and how is this even a take? It's literally what happens 😂
@crooker233 жыл бұрын
@@Yvs8962 everyone: spacies lose to marth but its pretty close, fox vs marth on FD is unreasonable but thats it really, pretty close matchup, 55-45 maybe spacie mains on twitter: 60-40 WORSE THAN FOX PUFF (WHICH IS EVEN IN TOURNEY BTW) IM DUAL MAINING FOX GANON CUZ SPACIES CANT DO IT everyone: get good spacies: NO
@Yvs89623 жыл бұрын
@@crooker23 Okay thats horseshit, “Everyone” does not/has not openly admitted Marth beats Fox until maybe very recently, ONLY because Zain said it himself. When it was spacie mains saying it y’all wouldnt even let them just speak honestly and would just bitch them out and dogpile them for talking about the game.Thats the point of my comment. Even then youll only concede slightly losing 55:45 when even Zain says they lose more significantly and they clearly do. Marth has been robbing spacies off hella low effort shit since the beginning of time, and yet people who have never played the MU from a spacie perspective gonna act like they know what theyre talking about and spacie players are full of shit when they talk about the MU 2. No one is tryna pick up Ganon for any MU. 3. No one thinks Fox loses to Puff, the most people complain about her is that shes boring and non interactive, and ALL mains do that. 4. Disingenuous as hell acting like everyone is civil with the conversation about the MU until spacie mains throw tantrums about it, thats complete BS. Leffen literally can’t talk openly and honestly about meta analyses of the MU without constantly being shit on and called a scrub. Literally just talking about meta and high level interactions that make the MU hard, totally reasonable, knowledgable, and legitimate statements get him dogpiled just for making the blasphemous claim that Fox loses a MU. Also you openly admit the MU is unrealistic on FD. How tf can a character possess a virtually guaranteed free game + momentum kill in every set, but the idea that this character might hard win the MU is ridiculous to you? Do you not realize how busted that alone is? Neither spacie possesses an equivalent CP, Marth beats them on every other stage as well, just the worst on FD, which is really what tips the MU from slightly losing to actually bad territory.
@mahikmamun37113 жыл бұрын
gotta respect the belief in marth
@TastyBubkiss3 жыл бұрын
Zain showing the youtube frogs some love
@Nikkerman3 жыл бұрын
The "marth beats falcon because fd is a factor" is so mdva lmao I love it
@sheridan51753 жыл бұрын
This tier list is GOATed
@AnonYmous-ob7py3 жыл бұрын
Personally I would swap fox and marth
@goodguycwyzz47683 жыл бұрын
Remember when Armada and Leffen said puff was #1. Omega lol
@Banquet_3 жыл бұрын
That sonic pinball music and streets of rage 4 🤙
@Champion_Vapor3 жыл бұрын
how does the meta change in melee, there is no updates or nerfs/buffs. (please dont harras me i play ultimate only)
@boof59283 жыл бұрын
it changes once new punish options get realized and implemented. Remember tier charts are based off tournament results not just the character in general. If people were to place higher in a tournament with a low/medium tier they'll be respected more as a character. That's what I think at least, correct me if I'm wrong^^
@Champion_Vapor3 жыл бұрын
@@boof5928 thanks for the info, its amazing that a old game like melee still has a huge fan base.
@danistardust82643 жыл бұрын
players improve and so do strategies. The melee meta changes slower than a patch based fighter like Ultimate does, but over the course of years it will change of course. The same applies to games like 3rd strike, Marvel 2, and any other classic Fighter. Unless there's a top 1 or tier 0 character it takes a while for a meta to stale out. Melee runs so deep it'll be ages before this game days
@raddude_11153 жыл бұрын
Its also just hella fun to talk about the melee meta, everyone sees it slightly different and seeing tier lists from top players gives an insight as to how each sees the game
@Utopia1616 Жыл бұрын
Such a based tierlist holy shit
@guyledouche793910 ай бұрын
Amsa confirmed Yoshi top 5
@bb979793 жыл бұрын
Roy S tier
@drMzfictiOn3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Eh and Sucks tiers are all wrong. There really isnt that big a difference between mario and doc, DK is placed absurdly high just for his good spacies punishgame, and younglink has more to offer than mid Sucks tier imo. What stands out to me the most is DK though, feels overrated.
@vgmilo3 жыл бұрын
Zain is becoming so good that he thinks marth beats sheik and falcon damn it's really over for everyone else
@vgmilo3 жыл бұрын
Falco #1 btw KappaPride
@emanonomoi3 жыл бұрын
Marth *does* beat Falcon though. The consensus on that has shifted for a while. Shiek is still debatable though. The way Spark does against Zain seems like pretty hard proof it’s still even too, and historically it checks out.
@EverythingisGoodieBud3 жыл бұрын
Tbf Marth does better versus pretty much every character except maybe Peach
@TheoryCrafter3 жыл бұрын
i havnt watched yet, but this video better have 15 humble brags
@TheoryCrafter3 жыл бұрын
edit: disappointed
@SweetsSsb3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the youtube content
@silafim3 жыл бұрын
marios a good character i will swear it on my life
@lsh61083 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@sigmundsoldier3 жыл бұрын
Finally someone that ranks Marth first.
@gigawhopper3 жыл бұрын
I see the SOR4 OST ❤
@sunnyfalco33393 жыл бұрын
this shit litty 😜
@DannyCheezits6 күн бұрын
Doc could totally win a supermajor hes just kind of a nothingburger character
@rapidretrovenue563 Жыл бұрын
I'mma say it rn, puff is even with Marth. Most puffs just don't actually use melee's movement and spam bair.. Seriously, force a spacie to play puff and you will see puff do some crazy things. Mang0 can EASILY prove this.
@esthersmith30563 жыл бұрын
does doc in the same tier as yoshi/pika mean that you believe that doc (if the right main came up) could win a supermajor in the modern era?
@FenderStratFan6663 жыл бұрын
Hello zain
@lifeiswonderful223 жыл бұрын
Diggin the green hill zone
@FlyTaka3 жыл бұрын
i think zain's right on that luigi is super untapped
@KyokujiFGC2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a lowkey diss on Eddy and Abate, lol.
@mrogeliastico3 жыл бұрын
I agree with falco being really good, but he's really hard and gets comboed/cheesed pretty hard so that's probs the reason we don't see as much falco rep
@jonathanlgill3 жыл бұрын
Zain, would you make a video about your thoughts on M2K's Marth (when he was active)?
@Nikkerman11 ай бұрын
To this day the best tier list out there I litterally can't think of one better
@DctrBread3 жыл бұрын
You dont think samus is worse vs puff than pikachu? I think puff counters a lot of samus's strengths, but i also think that puff seems to kinda dance on pikachu without fear of retribution.
@lee17eric3 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the song playing throughout 1:00?
@taytertot93823 жыл бұрын
If only we got to see you try out P+ Roy for a bit. Would love to see how fucking sick you are with a Roy that’s actually good
@Okamikirby3 жыл бұрын
surprised to see dk so high
@saotomebuster3 жыл бұрын
Obviously ZeldaFool hasn’t put the fear of god in you yet.
@spacebiggles3 жыл бұрын
Correct list
@yoshter1353 жыл бұрын
ICs are underrated
@orendamusic75773 жыл бұрын
Marths worst matchup by far is marth lol
@user-wm5ot5uj3q3 жыл бұрын
Song starting at 13:48?
@malonee3 жыл бұрын
I knew this was cap when he put Zelda at the bottom
@VinMann3 жыл бұрын
4:47 the actual ranking where falcon belongs
@TheMistUser Жыл бұрын
What does Weirdos mean, exactly?
@PokemonWalkthroughDS3 жыл бұрын
My hot take is that G&W easily has the most untapped potential out of all of the low tiers, I remember there was a nasty G&W in the Toledo area who always did pretty well
@drakejoshofficialyoutubech55693 жыл бұрын
I agree, I sometimes wonder how good he would be if you could L-cancel his aerials and if his shield actually worked. Considering he has chain grabs on Spacies and Falcon, and the fact that his neutral air is massive, I feel like he could be among the weirdos on this list at the very least. It's just sad that he was probably rushed during development
@ADavidJohnson3 жыл бұрын
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 as much purity as there is to Melee being unchanged for 20 years, a Melee+ that buffs some low tier characters with obvious fixes (like for Roy and Game&Watch) seems like it would be a no-downsides improvement to the health of the game. Nobody would get worse but some new characters could be in the mix
@yophi82753 жыл бұрын
FOR THE ALGORYTHM
@MAEVELOVE13 жыл бұрын
I hate the Marth over Fox thing going on. You have to be kidding.
@joelpettersson40553 жыл бұрын
happy to se the SS rank removed
@Pi22aPino3 жыл бұрын
Did zain cut his hair now or not???
@cise38953 жыл бұрын
He did, but this recording was from a while ago
@nothankyou48593 жыл бұрын
why do ppl keep ranking YL over link... ask anyone in the link/YL discord and they will say link is better in nearly every matchup except super floaties.
@finmin2k3 жыл бұрын
yeah link is better it's just people not being too informed about the characters either way, especially how they compare.
@yobobby93 жыл бұрын
I feel thank Link is more of a gimmick than YL, once you get passed his wall hes very slow and semi fast faller combo food. VS Young Link who has better camping/time out potential with his faster movement and jump squat especially he seems more threating. Just that YL struggles OOS in some MUs and getting people out of CC percent.
@maliit08272 жыл бұрын
Did you realize that Marth is higher than Fox?
@HD-nb7kw3 жыл бұрын
Mango said both Fox and Falco could beat Marth.
@sethlaughlin99893 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh Samus
@myboy_3 жыл бұрын
I'm a game and watch believer
@IIIISai3 жыл бұрын
Big link is better than yink tho Lol
@bubblefish32103 жыл бұрын
lets fkin go zain
@Brando5502 жыл бұрын
DK better than YL? really? i would disagree with that
@kupaxykalee44542 жыл бұрын
game n watch is so good tho
@xzantos24773 жыл бұрын
you should upload some !focus clips to youtube
@contra313 жыл бұрын
Music at 11:04?
@salami498611 ай бұрын
Why isn’t fox f tier
@malonee3 жыл бұрын
I know he didn't just put marth over donkey kong
@HoboSapien6193 жыл бұрын
Let’s face it. The only reason why peach is even considered top tier is Armada.
@negativesplits063 жыл бұрын
Obviously Zain hasn’t seen Hbox’s Ness.
@AllYourRAw3 жыл бұрын
Ness is better than Pichu at least
@CreamyPesto5053 жыл бұрын
Zain put Marth first because he thinks no one can beat him.
@tysonfontanez2 жыл бұрын
There is no way in hell puff beats Falcon, that matchup is at best 50-50. Mad respect to Zain for not underrating his own character or overrating a character like Pikachu that he consistently loses to though.
@Protopro913 жыл бұрын
Was this FFX music?
@XenonAgenT01 Жыл бұрын
put gnw in the weird tier
@Lampaluile3 жыл бұрын
Pikachu top tier
@titanssouth10383 жыл бұрын
Why is Yoshi a weirdo?
@EA_SP0RTCENTER3 жыл бұрын
What song is 3:55 ? If my memory is right, its a wii song?
@yaboi_burrus3 жыл бұрын
Wii U Download Management
@louiscolangelo20823 жыл бұрын
Solid list, Mewtwo deserves a little better than "Sucks" tier
@gareth43483 жыл бұрын
I feel like 5 in the top tier is 1 or 2 too many
@drakejoshofficialyoutubech55693 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I kinda disagree with Sheik being there because of the fact that solo Sheik has never won a major. Still a good character though.