2022 GX460 vs 2021 4Runner. Similar modifications. On-road and Off-road perspective.

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GX460 on 35" tires vs 4Runner on 34" tires. On road comparison, off-road comparison, and all issues you may experience.
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[@jollyrogers5261]

GXs! A Land Cruiser Prado in disguise. It’s all over Asia. See them all the time when I lived there. Great off roader and they came with manual option! The 4Runner is a great off roader too!

[@SandyCats]

If any of these vehicles had a manual in US... it would be a no-brainer for me. At one point I was even considering doing a conversion!!!

[@grahammonohan92]

This has got to be the most honest comparison I’ve ever seen! Bravo sir! And I’m a Toyota/Lexus fanatic. I own 4 of them. Awesome job!

[@SandyCats]

🙏 truly appreciate it!

[@dougfleenor9665]

You should just get a 200 series land cruiser. Much stronger over all.

[@pmcandrews12]

This is a great honest comparison! I recently went from a semi built 13 trail to a 15 GX because of rust issues. I plan on putting a good amount of money into the GX so I can make those weekend trips but you're right, mostly on road. The GX surprised me, I checked every box that the 4runner left empty! Thank you for putting this out there.

[@travisradke9753]

This is an awesome resource for those of us newer to off-roading, I learned a ton from your comparison. Thank you for posting, just subscribed as well.

[@terrarecon]

To me the Lexus will always feel like a Lexus and that is the way I like it. To compare a Lexus to a German make IMO does Lexus a disservice. The brand has already made its mark and does not need to be compared to anything German in order to establish its luxury status.

[@SandyCats]

💯 right. Probably Should’ve said it actually feels like a NEW Lexus.

[@terrarecon]

@@SandyCats I get where you are coming from. Thanks for the videos bro!

[@coronalight77]

This comment might have been valid 15 yrs ago. These are both manufactured under Toyota who colabs with BMW all the time. Don't look at it like a regional thing. That's archaic.

[@terrarecon]

@@coronalight77 you missed my point, which is why you most likely think it's archaic. But that's fine. As far as who owns Lexus, that's not even part of the statement/argument. I know Toyota owns Lexus, why you threw that in there escapes me. And no one is downplaying BMW. Toyota collaborating with BMW has no bearing on my statement either. I'm not really sure exactly what about my post you're trying to address...

[@thomassanio8745]

Very good review. I also think the review is honest, there are definitely some pro’s and con’s to each vehicle 👍

[@wheeltogetoutthere]

subscribed! Pretty awesome builds!

[@e5toro7008]

I love my lifted 2013 GX460 Premium!

[@kailua808]

agreed about the kdss, absolutely fantastic for normal conditions but of course you'll want to reconsider if you've got it modded. compared to the aftermarket sway bar I put in my silverado, it's all the good without the bad bravo toyota

[@grn9209]

As I commented on other video,I have thought about adding trans cooler. I have been lucky with no overheating, but my tires aren’t quite 35s (34.6). I live in the desert 🏜️ and have also taken my GX to Alpine Loop, Moab,etc.

[@TrailRunn4r]

Great comparison! Now you made me really curious about the difference in steering. Need to test drive a GX :)

[@SandyCats]

Don’t!!! You’ll never look at your 4R the same.

[@arr0gant1]

My 2023 GX Premium Plus just hit the port and should be on its way to the dealer !

[@boydsorem7706]

Same!

[@perezcp356252]

How much are you guys paying for the GX

[@ernestoperez8876]

How much?

[@boydsorem7706]

@@perezcp356252 MSRP for the black line edition

[@arr0gant1]

Cancelled my order. Ended up finding a 2022 Atomic/Sepia GX Luxury w Sports Design and 800 miles. It was 1.5 months old and traded to a Merc dealer. MSRP was $72,400. I got it for $67,000.

[@p.ashukkur4613]

WELL DONE ..PERFECT REVIEW

[@claudet497]

Great video! Can you please do a video on the backup camera on the 4runner. Looks like a nice mod that people with 4runner tire carriers would be interested in. Thank u!

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5101]

Looking forward to a more in-depth video on the GX build! Curious to learn how you fit 35’s on it. What rear bumper is that?

[@SandyCats]

Expedition one rear (next vid in about 10 days or so). Then will do a vid on the skids and front bumper... followed by full suspension and 35's.

[@nightgoon_0_0]

coming from a Tacoma the steering on my 21 GX feels super direct.. and I'm running a full icon suspension

[@DJMirrorMix]

This was a great comparison video. One suggestion is that if you are highlighting tiresize, you should also highlight departure angles. The 4Runner has a better departure than the GX so even though a smaller 4R has smaller tires, the clearance is better. But of course anything is possible with BMCs

[@SandyCats]

I agree on stock the approach and departure angles are much better on the 4R. Once you add a rear bumper.... they should be identical (they are on both my rigs as I have the same rear bumper). My approach is still better on the 4R as I cut the wings.

[@dannycruz2022]

Great comparison, you’re very knowledgeable from experience. I read in a forum, you would know if you need to regear while driving on the highway on 6th gear (if the trans is having trouble it will be noticeable holding 6th gear).

[@SandyCats]

Yup. That’s usually the best sign it’s necessary.

[@DeadOnTrail]

Kdss with proper supporting mods from dr.kdss is amazing. You get way more flex than traditional sway bars. Even with the standard sways on a 4runner u can't use it with long travel you need anti rock.

[@SandyCats]

💯 on Dr.KDSS switch and all of his genius ideas. And it’s good enough for 95% of people watching this. Long travel you really just delete front and can get away with sway bar in rear with extended links. Anti-rock only good for rear on IFS. I personally don’t run front or rear on my 19’ 4Runner with RCLT on 37s. But it’s not a DD.

[@DeadOnTrail]

@@SandyCats yeah def no sway front and anti rear. I was debating doing rclt but haven't been impressed with the durability of the rack. Decided to just order a jeep 392 to be my hard-core wheeler.

[@SandyCats]

@@DeadOnTrail LC200 rack durability? Haven’t heard of anyone breaking that yet? I agree though…. A Jeep is Better for hardcore wheeling. I have a JK on 40s that’s a trailer queen. Building 4R on RCLT for rally’s

[@RJ-vc2ju]

Sandy Cats - Great series of videos and I appreciate your detailed response to my previous comment. It'd be great to see you build a late model 2nd Gen Sequoia to go with the GX and 4Runner that you have. The 5.7L, incredible cargo room, and bulletproof running gear make it an awesome overlanding platform. It takes the GX powertrain one step further by giving you 2WD as well. Unfortunately you lose the solid axle in the rear. Anyway, just an idea. The only channel I've seen modding the 2nd Gen Sequoia is Tandem Offroad.

[@SandyCats]

Honestly… I’m more excited by the 3rd gen. It’s larger so not applicable to all trails but damn it looks nice! Probably in 2-3 years.

[@RJ-vc2ju]

@@SandyCats It's funny you say that because that's one of the biggest disappointments of the 3rd gen - it's space. It actually manages to have less cargo space than a 4Runner if you can believe that.

[@SandyCats]

@@RJ-vc2ju I hope that can be fixed!!! I was really looking forward to a build that can replace my current DD for my fam (4R too small!). After I'm done with my Jeep rebuild (hopefully by mid 23) I was going to start shopping. Hoping by pulling out the rear seats it's roomier... otherwise I gotta start dreaming of a different new build!

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

you don't need a front and rear lockers. ATRAC is a brake locking differential on both axles... watch our Cleghorn Ridge video 😃... great comparison video

[@SandyCats]

It really depends on terrain. For example… I never run lockers on Hells Revenge in Moab (or most Moab trails). Don’t think I’ve ever turned on lockers in Cleghorn. Never used a locker on all the alpine trails in CO. But something like John Bull will require lockers, otherwise you’ll start breaking parts. Also been on overlanding trips in Baja where I would have turned around and lost 2 days without lockers (no trees to winch off). ATRAC is great to a point. A rear locker is essential security if your doing harder stuff IMO. Will watch vid…. And will def watch the lifetime transmission fluid vid now🤘🏻

[@FJUH]

Mate, I’ve used the rear locker on my FJ in mud holes and slippery downhill, it makes a big difference. The rear locker in my opinion is a must have as it means less stress on your vehicle and the tracks.

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

@@FJUH we've had excellent results with ATRAC under the same conditions 👏

[@arailtb]

​@@FJUH I agree. ATRAC is alright for low speed loose stuff and very moderate rock crawling, just like "crawl control." Anything else, especially mud, hill climbs, where you need to be hard on the skinny pedal, ATRAC is a worthless gimmick. Lockers all day.

[@cadcamfreak]

What type of performance benefit does the magnaflow exhaust system have over stock as far as throttle response/hp gains? I'm looking to improve that. Thx.

[@SandyCats]

Honestly I'd be surprised if any. I'm a big fan of putting an exhaust on just because it makes it more fun to drive.

[@RJ-vc2ju]

As you know, the steering response difference on-road between your two vehicles is 100% due to the GX460 having KDSS and your particular 4R TRD OR not having it. Tough to have your cake and eat it too :) I personally would never get a 4R without KDSS unless I wanted to build it just for difficult/extreme off-roading. I spent a long time in Southern Africa where we had beautiful smooth blacktop highways and then washboard gravel tertiary roads. We drove LC Prados and Nissan Patrols, as well as HiLux and the best "mod" you can get for higher speed washboard dirt/gravel roads is a tire gauge and compressor so that you can air down from 32-34 psi to 22-24 psi when on gravel, and then air back up when back on asphalt. If you want a long-lasting overland rig, none of these high performance remote-reservoir systems are the answer, unless you live in North America and think that spending $4000 on shocks/struts that have to be rebuilt every couple of years is reasonable. If you're looking for a great V8 powered overland / off-road rig, then in North America the best you can get now (after the LC200 and 2nd gen Sequoia where discontinued) is the Nissan Armada. It's still built in Japan and is a Nissan Patrol (2016+ versions). If I was in the market for a V8 powered overland vehicle for great on-road capabilities, tonnes of space, and awesome for moderate technical off-roading, I'd only consider the Armada or 2nd gen Sequoia. If I wanted something smaller, with the ability to modified for difficult/extreme off-roading, I'd go 4R TRD OR.

[@SandyCats]

I can appreciate a lot of what your saying. The GX steering is tuned differently (more Like a Prado). There is a video here that can explain it wayyy better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6uvd3iNqJlmjZI Regarding the adj coilovers I would say that it really depends on your speed, weight and needs. For me… it took me over 6 months to tune the 4R suspension. I finally have it driving perfect… but once loaded… there is a difference so adjusters help. When I want to go very fast (minor jumps inevitable)…. I can make them harder…. If I’m “crawling” … softer. I am probably unique though as I only have limited days and want to do a lot. Often we are doing 500-800 off-road only miles in 5-6 days with time to camp each night with a 4 and a 2 year old. Sometimes this also requires us to go through “moderate” or “hard” crawling trails as there is no easier way around them. So we end up going faster than most, abusing our vehicle more than most, and therefore feel like we require some of these things. BTW… I rebuild every 2000 off-road miles so every 4-5 months or so. I agree… not practical for a lot of people but the ability to go faster off-road in comfort gives us the ability to see more in less time so it’s worth it for us. For perspective… even on steel skids we usually go through them every 2 years not because we like crawling (we often don’t on overlanding trips) but because we are forced into going through harder trails to get to our desired destinations/routes. As for KDSS…. I can agree now that the DR.KDSS switch exists to allow you to turn it off. Before that switch I was really anti-KDSS for myself as it hurts your ride substantially when at speeds on desert roads. But again… this is only if your going faster than most. A lot of my videos are posted from this type of overlanding perspective and I am often heard recommending cheaper options as most don’t need what I need.

[@Luke_MoonWalker]

When I'm off roading in mild trails, I want to feel like I'm sitting in a recliner in front of the TV at home, therefore I'd get the Lexus all day. Rock crawling is pretty gay... I just want to go fishing at remote lakes in the mountains.

[@jamesv5343]

Subscribed! I have a 2016 Toyota 4runner trd pro and I'm about to get ridiculous with the suspension. Probably an icon stage 5 or stage 6. I was wanting to see something like this because I've also been debating about whether or not I should just trade in the 4runner and buy a Lexus with the V8. Even though I've already put a supercharger on my 4runner, the suspension is going to be the most expensive component. Lol. Because it's going to be the full suspension, tires and wheels, and regearing.

[@jonathanhuynh880]

What super charger u have ?

[@justintackitt8529]

Well done!! Would you mind sharing where you got the Topo map vinyl on your GX?

[@SandyCats]

I had it custom made at a vinyl shop. But I believe if you contact @BeyondWraps on instagram, they can make one and ship it out.

[@justintackitt8529]

Very much appreciated- thank you!

[@cadcamfreak]

What roof rack would you recommend for a gx460? I want a cleaner, better fit than the prinsu. Thx.

[@SandyCats]

Westcott Designs. It looks good and is more functional than my Prinsu

[@maratabdykadyruulu7511]

Amazing, compression video. All this gx off road equipments how much cost ?

[@SandyCats]

Not sure yet. Probably around 20K. I plan on making a video about this and give exact numbers in 2-3 weeks.

[@Paranormal_Code]

The GX comes with a trans cooler. At least my 2017 premium has it listed in the build. Is the factory one not good enough? GX’s factory equipped with tow package like mine come with.

[@SandyCats]

Wish I could answer that. They got rid of the option (even though it’s still listed) for the 2022 GX and for the newer Tundras as well. My recommendation (if you are modified) is to get a Scanguage or similar sensor and check out what your temps are.

[@Paranormal_Code]

@@SandyCats so far just 34.5” MT tires and Ironman suspension. No extra weight on front end besides tires. No bumper or lighting etc. so hopefully factor trans cooler enough in meantime. My goal is overland, camping rig not rocks, so may skip steel bumper all together and opt for Aluminum for 50-75 lbs.

[@SandyCats]

@@Paranormal_Code Sounds like your doing everything right. If I could avoid rocks... I'd go as light as possible and skip the winch. I would also test temps before and after the skids. Skids often affect tran temps a lot as it blocks airflow.

[@Paranormal_Code]

@@SandyCats my plan. Mainly wanna play in sand, snow, camping trails and avoid big rocks altogether since it’s my daily, not toy. Rocks is where stuff starts snapping and I’m not ready for those bills lol. Thanks for video and info.

[@arailtb]

My 2019 with factory tow package doesn't have a trans cooler 😕. My 2008 with tow package did.

[@jeremywolfee7807]

Please let us know what steering rack and pinion upgrades you can do for the GX ,I know you mentioned they were pricy but still curious as I want to build the ultimate GX 🍻

[@SandyCats]

Your ultimate steering rack upgrade will be the MarlinCrawler RCLT kit. There are others doing cheaper options but they don’t end much cheaper in the end. So if you want a ready kit… I’d go with Marlin. If you want to start piecing together your own kit you need to start doing a lot of research. Reach out to RC.Fabrication on instagram for possible help to piece together your own kit

[@jeremywolfee7807]

@@SandyCats awesome thanks for your response Happy trails 🍻

[@oreoandbrownie5998]

Hi can what are the wheels ? They look great I am planning to change for my 4Runner

[@SandyCats]

Black Rhino Reno Beadlocks. At the time they were the lightest beadlock I could find for these rigs.

[@naturalLin]

How much total goes into each car aside from purchasing the car?

[@aky19832001]

I wonder how the next generation 4runner eith the i4 twin turbo will handle bigger tires. If the v6 felt sluggish.

[@SandyCats]

Honestly… that’s why we got 5th gen 4R and the V8 GX. Fear of the new engine. Always worried that newer engines will be more fuel efficient and have weaker payload capacity and weaker power for off-roading. But in reality I’m always proven wrong.

[@dude-yg9ez]

Next generation will have way more torque than the v6 lol. Shouldn't struggle much

[@3rdgenbestgen21]

both great vehicles, 1 super expensive the other moderately price. with that said I have the 4runner 2021 Trd cause i plan to upgrade the suspension later. And i never thought of the lexus cause im broke lol

[@SandyCats]

That’s how I felt too when I got my 19 4R. Then I put larger tires and added weight and started searching for power. Put in a supercharger, gears, aluminum radiator, CAI…. and eventually I was basically as the same price as a GX. But the V8 on the GX is still better than all the stuff I put on the 4R.

[@3rdgenbestgen21]

@@SandyCats yeah having a 35, i would want more power too. I think the biggest ill go is 33”. My 265/75/16 tires on 19964runner is capable enough, and i saw the difference it made when i saw 33” on gx460 and 5th gen runners hitting up some gnarly trails the last time i off-roaded, i thought those trails were pretty insane to be tackled by 33” and 265 lol, so having said that 33” is gonna be my limit cause im more of 70/30 on and offroad. Also i think the power on stock 5th gen is very impressive already cause im humbled from the fact that im used to my 190hp 1996. But If i have money, Id buy an import newer landcruiser, fully rebuilt diesel engine, and mod the back for a camper set up, and out on some 37” but im really broke so…haha

[@johnwebb2232]

the Lexus is a good vehicle, but with saying that, it also comes at a steep price, and a lousy rear hatch, and a not so good looking front grill ( my opinion ) both the 4runner and the GX have carved out a brilliant reputation of reliability ,dependable, and excellant resale value. both should be taken as one of the best all round type of vehicle out there, love my 2016 trail and yes, she has KDSS.

[@GB-dc6ye]

Once you own the GX, you the grill really grows on you until you fall in love w it. The GX is about $15k more than the TRD Off Road, not too steep imo. Lastly, and I'm really surprised he didn't mention this, the hatch was designed, and left this way for the purpose of overlanding (LC Prado) so you can put your 33" spare on it, like a JEEP, or a MERCEDES G-Wagon, or even a FORD Bronco. :)

[@Luke_MoonWalker]

Always buy used Lexus... 2 years old cute the price from new in half and they're so well made that even at 100k miles, they still feel brand new.

[@lloydmiranda44]

What is the gear ratio of the 4runner? So said its still slow

[@SandyCats]

4.88 + pedal commander.

[@DandoBorusu]

$56 AT Oil Cooler?! whaaaat, thats sick... how many BTU's? and How was the install for that bad boy? Driving across the desert in Utah and Arizona hills in the summertime always gets me AT Oil Temp nervous.

[@DandoBorusu]

I have a GX... was looking for a large AT Oil Cooler

[@SandyCats]

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C3DDKO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1. that's the one I use. Install was very easy... there are a few KZbin videos on it.

[@SandyCats]

@@DandoBorusu For the GX I ended up using the one mentioned below and then added this one in addition to it: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QITRBS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 If you DM me on instagram, I can send you a clip of how I set it up

[@DandoBorusu]

@@SandyCats thanks!!

[@DMEU77]

I have a 2021 (facelift) LC150 Prado full spec with KDSS. Is it the same problem?

[@SandyCats]

What specific problem are you asking about?

[@DMEU77]

@@SandyCats To upgrade the suspension, to lift the vehicle for max 4cm. I am in Germany, I tried to found smbdy for lifting the vehicle, but they gave me an option to lift the body and not to change the suspension. As I know, thats a bad solution.

[@SandyCats]

@@DMEU77 so KDSS won’t effect either body or suspension lift. You may need dr.KDSS kit and/or blackgate customs kit to fix binding and/or lean. In general though… a spacer lift of 2” isn’t the end of the world. It won’t effect your onroad performance much, just off-road. I would find a better shop that can install a real lift.

[@DMEU77]

@@SandyCats I want do "body lift", its bad. But here in Germany is very hard to found some shop to do a suspension lift. There arent any LC here , just plastic fantastic X5/6 , GLE/S, Q7/8 and others ..

[@SandyCats]

@@DMEU77 hard for me to say much but if your only looking for a 2” lift; it really is easy to do yourself and shouldn’t take more than a day. A lot of good instructional videos on KZbin.

[@brkbtjunkie]

Only thing I would change about the gx is the front grille. I’d rip that sucker out and just add a ARB bumper. Fun fact, the gx is a land cruiser Prado sold in Australia. All land cruisers are made in one single factory in Japan. Built to a higher spec that 4Runners. Fun fun fact: the gx doesn’t actually require premium, it will adjust timing based on fuel quality and octane. Where the land cruiser is popular in the rest of the world, they have very dirty gas.

[@mcwendel8066]

I was always a huge fan of the 4Runner Trd pro, but I always felt that they were so outdated on the inside. How does the interior space between the two compare? Pretty similar I assume. I know the GX has a third row seat that probably takes up significant amount of room, I’d love to get one of those GXs for the “wife”

[@SandyCats]

You hit the nail on the head on all points. Basically the same except the third row makes you lose about 6” of the bottom of you cargo space. However we removed third row and replaced with Goosegear platform. Once deleted it feels like we gained an extra 3” over the 4Runner.

[@mcwendel8066]

@@SandyCats awesome! Great info, thanks!

[@camooo101]

My previous vehicle was a humer h3 and to me the 4runner was a major upgrade across the board. Personally I don't think it's that outdated compared to a Wrangler. Also lots of aftermarket support. My biggest complaint about it being outdated was the tiny infotainment screen and lack of features. For 650 bucks I got a massive screen now and all the bells and whistles I would ever need.

[@SandyCats]

@@camooo101 exactly how I felt too coming from Wranglers

[@mcwendel8066]

@@camooo101 now, if only the 4Runner would get the 3.4 L V6 that the new Sequoia gets it would be unbelievable! However I feel like my Gladiator still is better equipped than a 4Runner. I’m sure less on road comfort though.

[@dlcarr187]

Technically shouldn’t you compare the GX to the Sequoia TRD Pro?

[@SandyCats]

The Sequoia is a much larger SUV than the GX. The GX is built on the 4Runner platform and shares a LOT of factory parts with the 4R.

[@michaelcox4936]

What's your plan for the GX grill?

[@SandyCats]

Not sure exactly what you mean? I made as many holes in it as possible for airflow…. That’s about all I can do.

[@michaelcox4936]

@@SandyCats Understood. I wasn't sure if you had some sort of swap in mind. Thanks!

[@christopherramirez8018]

Damn this guy really loves that GX460. Lol not even a fair comparison.

[@vladd5291]

Have you considered using the stock tranny cooler from Sequoia/Tundra?

[@SandyCats]

Nope. I know some used the Prado coolers from Overseas with success. The are stacked plate coolers which are better than what I used. But I wanted the fan.

[@vladd5291]

@@SandyCats thanks, I’ll look into it!

[@ezeNdog]

Nice... But I'm not tearing apart and off roading a $65k vehicle... U could supercharge, full exhaust, Dyno , lift wheels and tires ect. And still be sitting well under the original purchase price of the Lexus..... But honestly that Lexus is looking dam good.. great comparison though, wish the 4runner was a V8.

[@anantdabholkar685]

There isn’t more than a 200 lbs difference in the payload capacity of a GX vs a t4r, 1700/1500 lbs. where did you get 880 lbs for the t4r? Secondly, the t4r goes to a center lock as soon as you engage 4WD, since it doesn’t have have a center diff that the GX has. The side opening door on the GX opens for curbs that are on the left, where you drive on the left of the road. Here in the US, it’s a hindrance. The FJ designed stateside has the proper door swing.

[@SandyCats]

Door stickers on the vehicle. Unfortunately can’t post photos on this reply but you can look at forums such as here: www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/295868-4runner-cargo-payoad.html Seems 835 is the average when you have a rear locker.

[@nomoarrgames8954]

Will a 4runner fit a V8 engine? Could you take the GX engine and put one in a 4runner?

[@SandyCats]

Might as well just buy a GX? Same size engine compartment though

[@lunamaria1048]

I bought a GX, as a daily driver and hated it lol.. My base of comparison was coming from my ex boyfriend's Range Rover, so I quickly traded it for a Range Rover, and sooo happy I did! The GX has terrible sluggish handling and sluggish acceleration for a "luxury" V8 mid-sized SUV. Like it is a class bigger. The tech is ancient too.. No good for a "luxury" daily driver SUV imo. Not with other companies luxury feeling light years ahead My overland/off road use rig is a 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road, that I ABSOLUTELY love! It has the Magnuson supercharger, so is quicker than the GX ever was lol, and has Fox 2.5 DSCs, plus other mods, so handles amazing. Given what the 4Runner is, it performed exactly as I expected. It just needed more power, and Magnuson provided that! The 4Runner is the better off roader, right off the lot, and definitely when modded. KDSS works as an auto disconnecting sway bar that excels at rock crawling, by increasing articulation, but only when needed. 4Runner aftermarket is full of great KDSS friendly parts. Like A LOT!

[@danehauser8675]

For me, it's about the reliability. Range Rovers/Land Rovers are consistently at the top of the list for the most problematic vehicles out there with more time spent at the mechanic then virtually anything else on the market.

[@lunamaria1048]

@@danehauser8675 No offense, but nobody owns a Range Rover as a long term vehicle lol. My husband and I updates to a new model every 3 to 4 years and have never had a problem. I live in one on Canada's wealthiest neighborhoods, where the Autobiography and the SVA are the most common SUVs. I have never had an issue and never see them broken down anywhere, period. No offense, but the only people complaining about reliability are not people that can even afford a Range Rover lol.

[@Dunwelll]

Did you calibrate the speedo?

[@SandyCats]

I wish! If you figure out how… I’m all ears! Haven’t found a solution yet.

[@ecmortgage1]

Great comparison. But you will need to reevaluate your MPG on the 4Runner. You will not get 14-15MPG with the setup you got. 34” tires, lo pro winch bumper w/ winch, sliders so forth. Unless you are driving 30-40 miles per hour everywhere you go. Many 4Runner owners (including myself) will try every possible way to cut down on their gas mileage and some even willdeny the fact that they lost so much MPG when rigging up their trucks with bigger tires. 33” plus.. Your MPG is going down the drain. PERIOD.

[@SandyCats]

There are tooo many variables to give exact estimates honestly. From tire size (some 34s are actually 33”), weight, re gearing, but primarily driving style. On highway driving at 75 mph with my weight, true 34s, open roads, regeared to 4.88, and not putting pedal to floor…. I get 14-15. On my other 4Runner when I had 35s, regeared, and supercharger I was getting closer to 11-12. I also let off on highway hills and climb to speed back slower. That other 4runner is about 500 pounds heavier (unloaded) and I would drive it more aggressively due to supercharger. This is interstate driving… not mixed as these rigs mostly only do longer trips. Also… I know it sounds crazy… but for me this 4R is a light build. I put what was minimum needed for our style of wheeling and it doesn’t carry any extra weight except sleeping gear and passengers. Tools, fridge, kitchen, and so on all go in the other (overbuilt) 4Runner.

[@wOhtest]

I have 33’s With 2.5” suspension and a couple of others accessories, nothing heavy at all and I’m getting lows 13 just driving around my town so I do really doubt you getting sometimes 15 mpg with your setup unless you only drives on a 50 mph roads

[@SandyCats]

@@wOhtest Will happily take a video and post in on my IG tomorrow or Tuesday. BTW... If you are getting 13's around town... you should expect to be getting more than me at highway speeds if you are properly geared.

[@KristoDIVG]

@@wOhtest It’s 100% possible, my ‘22 lifted on 33’s, but no bumpers, winch etc and would regularly squeeze out 20mpg in SoCal.

[@rmcole1]

GX Basically has same 4.6 V-8 low compression as the older Tundra that takes regular fuel. I have been running my 2021 for 15k miles on Regular no issues and many forums approve. Lexus says Premium Fuel because its a Lexus.

[@SandyCats]

Good info, thanks!

[@TeCKis300]

Negative. Engine is the same. But the ECU software calibration is different. May want to re-consider.

[@rmcole1]

@@TeCKis300 Of course the software is updated but the mechanical components are almost 100% same. 10.2-1 compression ratio. Like you said its the same engine and the ECU would always adjust if there is any knocking. The Gx460 engine has been in many Toyota/Lexus vehicles since 2009-2010. Many with hundreds of thousands of miles using regular gas. Octane has been long ongoing topic in the Lexus Forums. I guess Lexus owners feel special putting in premium but Toyota Owners don't care. I run a bottle of Techron through the tank every 5k miles and all of my cars have run perfect. Mine is lifted, oversized tires ,armor, Rigd Ultraswing similar to the video Gx.

[@texlee1640]

@@rmcole1 Ran 87 octane on three GX's since 2011, never an issue.

[@Justin-dy2ib]

My Gx pings/knocks on regular. I keep premium in it. Tried regular a few times.

[@barryraven4745]

4Runner wins on steering wheel. I absolutely hate T steering wheels. 4Runner you can put your hand on the bottom of the steering wheel but GX nope.

[@mikekay213]

great comparison, if only you had a land cruiser in the mix

[@SandyCats]

Maybe one day I can reach LC200 status 🤣

[@Papolucho702]

I almost bought the GX over the 4Runner I have this “what if I had it though?” Feeling

[@SandyCats]

You’d be happier 😂😂😂

[@clearcut6818]

One tip: don't say "this", "that". 2:30. A lot of us are not necessarily looking at the screen when you're talking. Please specify if you're referring to the Lexus or the Toyota.

[@SandyCats]

Agreed 100%.... still new here!

[@edwardpeters4700]

As much as the V8 manages to spin your 35's healthily, I would wager your transmission temps come down with a re-gear in the GX.

[@SandyCats]

💯 … they came down on both 4Runners after regear. However it wasn’t substantial… it helped by about 10 degrees or so. On my 19 4R the first thing I did was regear… and I was still hitting 250 off-road…then I added 3 tranny coolers and aluminum radiator. On the GX I wanted to see if I can avoid it for a while just to experiment with other avenues first. What I’m really learning with Toyotas (I come from Jeep world) is that there is no secret recipe but rather a bunch of small steps that eventually get you there based on your specific vehicle.

[@edwardpeters4700]

@@SandyCats 100%. I've also found a lot of the Toyota products hold together with years of abuse and poor maintenance. Due to age, used was the only option buying my 80 series. The state of maintenance on vehicles that somehow still drove and handled well was mind boggling.

[@redsouth2715]

“Can’t go long travel with KDSS” 😂😂😂

[@SandyCats]

🤨 never seen KDSS with a three link

[@KL00100]

Toyota loves the US market. The rest of world gets the best option Automatically at the lowest price.

[@Art-wx9in]

Did you fix transmission issue?

[@SandyCats]

Added multiple coolers and a fan. Hopefully 🤞

[@jrladislao]

GX looks better and you don’t see it at every stop light

[@texlee1640]

Down here in Texas you do and if you're in one of the major cities odds are you'll see more GX's than 4Runners. I've owned three of each, the only thing I miss about the 4Runner is the roll down rear window.

[@jrladislao]

@@texlee1640 I’m vegas all you see is 4Runners. I wish the GX had the slide down rear glass. My dogs would love that

[@lot5953]

I'm in Washington state, I see 4runners everyday on the road

[@texlee1640]

@@lot5953 Don't get me wrong, 4Runners are everywhere down here as well.

[@Agent.K.]

I’m one of the few guys that prefer full time 4wd even though I live in dry conditions. I guess I’m getting old ... but I’m not even 30 😅

[@11super9ca]

Why is it harder to put 35’s on a 4Runner than it is to put 35’s on a GX ? 0:50

[@SandyCats]

The fender trim on the 4runner makes it so you lose more clearance than on the GX.

[@inquisitor4635]

New Lexus GX460 changed the ugly "Transformers" grill for the better.

[@michaelblock3998]

Re gear the GX. You will get better fuel economy and have better compression braking. Re gear to 4:88.

[@SandyCats]

I agree on both. Just $$$ as I might as well do lockers as well at the time. Holding off on this one for a while.

[@michaelblock3998]

@@SandyCats I may use your multiple transmission cooler idea. I installed the factory Prado trany cooler and still hit 220 plus on mountain passes in the summer. Over 235 on Monarch Pass in CO last summer and regularly run 210-215 on the freeway in the summer. Offroad in all situations its right at 200. The gears really helped offroad for trany temps and somewhat on the freeway.

[@andyham6094]

I’d choose the 4Runner which is what I own. It’s never let me down and looks way better than a Lexus which was really made for soccer moms. Love Lexus too and some Lexus builds like this one can be bad ass but it’s def way more expensive from the start and for parts and mods if something goes wrong. There’s def more to do you gotta do to a Lexus and more money compared to a 4runner or tacoma.

[@SandyCats]

Agree with you on everything except more money to upgrade Lexus. Except for front bumper… everything was equally priced… especially underneath (steering, frame and suspension) as it’s same exact parts.

[@mrketo7077]

No money 😂

[@Chazyfizzlez]

GX really needs 4.56 gears to run 35s. Ask me how I know. Haha.

[@SandyCats]

Help get tranny temps down, increase off-road control, and increase MPG. But it’s a very $ upgrade (if we are going to open the diffs, we will add lockers too). So I’m trying to find the limits of this rig before we go that $ route. It will eventually happen but right now I’m feeling like it’s not a necessity with the tranny coolers that were added and the trails we are doing.

[@Chazyfizzlez]

@@SandyCats fair enough. I did the same and ran 315/70/17 for 6mo before moving to 4.56 and notice a world of a difference. Definitely night and day but to your point very costly.

[@robs.8629]

Too bad the front of the GX looks like the Predator's mouth.

[@jackryan8719]

13 minutes without any video footage of the trucks driving around instead we get a dude standing around talking for 13 minutes

[@tuoitreomaha9096]

Overall the 4runner is better for off-road vehicle than Lexus

[@Justin-dy2ib]

My GX goes everywhere my 4R took me. I just miss my rear roll down window 😭

[@emidiopuliti7152]

I have gladly owned both of these vehicles, had a 2013 4runner, loved it, wanted to "upgrade" to the GX... I would say it is undoubeatable that the GX is the better machine overall between the two... the things I miss most about the 4runner... rear window roll down & better economy car with no premium & more MPG probably making it the more practical car between the two.. but the driving experience is apples and oranges and Lexus just feels supreme.

[@louisdebenedictis2584]

not 4runner, landcruiser prado

[@kendallgraves4950]

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