4Runner vs. GX460: An actual owner's take on which to buy and WHY!

[@peterulrich497]

I have a 2010 GX460 that I bought new and have driven for 13.5 years. This is an ultra reliable, indestructable and extraordinaryly comfortablevehicle. If God designed an SUV, this would be it.

[@CusineClub-24]

Do you use regular gas or Premium?

[@AR-pm9nv]

I own both too. 2017 4Runner SR5 Premium, and 2016 GX460. Like the simplicity of the base 4Runner, bur the ride in the GX is on another level.

[@CusineClub-24]

Do you use regular gas or Premium in both?

[@stevenscott6715]

You did an excellent job comparing/contrasting both vehicles. I’m a huge fan of your channel. I look forward to all your new vids. 😊

[@joshjamescars]

You are so kind! Thank you for such a nice comment, I so appreciate it!

[@UpTownDanny]

You seem super passionate talking about these trucks. Great taste on both.

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@CeeJay591]

I owned the 4Runner for years and now own the GX - solid comparison, very accurate. As I did not want to completely lose the capabilities of the 4Runner I took the plunge and got the Luxury with the off-road package.....

[@joshjamescars]

Awesome!! Hope it gives you decades of great driving!

[@CusineClub-24]

Do you use regular gas or Premium on the GX?

[@CeeJay591]

@@CusineClub-24 I use Premium as I have found that the GX runs more smoothly with it - however, I don't drive long distances on a daily basis and so am not as concerned about the signifcant price difference. I would be comfortable using regular if I drove more and I'm sure the GX would do fine.

[@ericwright1075]

Thank you for the very detailed review. This took a long time to put together.🇨🇦

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed!

[@jessemorgan7007]

Great video! I have driven both and you are spot on! If you are an SR5 owner you have a 3rd option which is much cheaper than trading in for a TRD Pro, TRD Off Road or GX. All you need to do is add an aftermarket suspension, upgrade your tires and aftermarket locker which would put you just about where the Pro or OF are capability wise that should cost no more than $5k for upgrades vs paying $15k-$30k more for a new stock rig. The SR5 is built at the same Tahara factory in Japan on the same assembly line as the TRD's, GX's and land Cruiser Prado's so the build quality is the same. The only thing you would not be able to add on your SR5 is MTS and KDSS but still for the cost savings it would be worth it and you would have a very capable off road rig that will do 99% of what the TRD's and GX's can do offroad. Bonus is when adding an aftermarket suspension you will also notice a big difference in on road ride quality.

[@joshjamescars]

You’re absolutely right, someone could definitely do the TRD Off Road! My only problem with the Off Road (and all 4Runners beside TRD Pro and Limited) is that they don’t have the JBL audio, dual zone automatic climate control, and remote connect capability for remote starting via the app or key fob. Those are absolute must haves for me. Not for everyone, I understand, but it’s 2023 and a car that costs as much as the Off Road Premium really should have at least the dual-zone automatic climate control and I wouldn’t want to drive a 4Runner without the JBL. Same with the Mark Levinson the GX. The only thing I want to add in response to what you suggested above is that the money one would spend upgrading to a new car versus aftermarket upgrades to an existing car is the MUCH better resale on TRD Pro versus SR5. I’m able to sell mine for more than I paid for it. An aftermarket-upgraded SR5 just isn’t as desirable on the preowned market.

[@jessemorgan7007]

@joshjamescars Ahh yes I forgot the audio system and connectivity upgrades that come with the higher trims and you are absolutely right about the resale value. The only thing the SR5 has over the other trim levels is a 3rd row seat option. Again great video and you just gained a new subscriber 😃. I look forward to more content from you

[@joshjamescars]

@jessemorgan7007 thank you! But actually the Limited also offers the third row option as well!The only ones that don’t are the TRD Off Road and Pro. Not sure about the TRD Sport, it may since it’s more like a Limited. Cheers!

[@wannabeaznufcfighter]

this video helped me decide between 4runner and GX460. I'm going with 4runner

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

*Excellent objective comparison Josh. Great points about the overlooked body differences* ❤

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@mikecolon1802]

Hi Josh yes i did watch your videos on how you had your GX detailed. All your videos are excellent. And thank you for responding well appreciated.

[@quazimoto5241]

Very helpful. I have two dogs, one of them LOVES sticking their head out of the window. That might be the deciding factor for me. Thanks!

[@joshjamescars]

You can’t beat the 4Runner for dogs! The only thing to be aware of is the lift over height of the cargo area is high so smaller dogs and older dogs have trouble getting in and out.

[@johncyr181]

I don't let dogs ride in cargo area with tailgate window open due to safety concerns

[@joshjamescars]

@johnycyr181 your dogs should always be properly secured in the vehicle with a harness anyway, and once they are, you shouldn’t have any problems.

[@bbpearl8120]

Love the GX. The solid build combined with the KDSS is the secret sauce. I have never driven a 4runner with KDSS option but would be interested to see how it compares. Terrific video.

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you! And yes I agree! The 4Runner with KDSS drives very similarly in terms of KDSS controlling the vehicle’s posture really well like it does in the GX.

[@harrywalker4922]

I have the TRD Off Road Premium w/KDSS. That was the deciding factor for me. I wanted a smoother ride. on road. With the capabilities

[@BillyBobTup]

@@harrywalker4922 Now, if I could only get that with full time 4WD! But, that combo is only available on a Lexus. If only I could get a Lexus with similar bumpers and angles as the 4Runner!

[@cruzinthruspace]

Isn't it kind of odd that they don't include KDSS with the TRD Pro top of the line model? But I hear all the benefits from KDSS It just doesn't make sense to me if it's that great why doesn't the pro have it? The info that's out there on KDSS is not enough to justify spending $2k more. Plus that's just another thing to break down and I heard is even more costly to replace or repair.

[@joshjamescars]

@cruzinthruspace No because KDSS is a pain to take out if you want to actually upgrade or change the suspension which many TRD Pro owners do. The TRD Off-road is meant to be a all-in-one model that can do decently well on and off-road so that’s why it has KDSS but the Pro is the “blank slate” enthusiast model.

[@BillyBobTup]

Thank you, very informative! When considering off road(and combined on road) capabilities, there is one more thing(perhaps already commented on?): KDSS PLUS full time 4wd. AFAIK, that combo is only available on the Lexus. Though the bumper sucks(for off road) especially on the newer Lexus, that KDSS improves suspension travel off road while also improving cornering on road. I can get KDSS in one specific model of 4Runner TRD Off Road(NOT Pro). But, I can not get full time 4WD on any model except the Limited, which does not allow KDSS. If I want both, it has to be a Lexus.

[@joshjamescars]

Yes! I didn’t get into the specific details of capability hardware since trims of both vary so much. The thing to be aware of, which I’m sure you already know, is that KDSS is a waste of money for those who want to modify their suspension setup (as many 4Runner owners do) as it renders it useless, and it can also be a rather expensive proposition if/when the hydraulics need to be repaired. I believe the eKDSS is supposed to be a bit more reliable in this respect.

[@Middleguy37]

You have two awesome cars. I own a 23' GX which I love. The ride with the KDSS and the V8. Absolutely perfect, something you can't get anymore. The V8 is buttery smooth and sounds great, and when I take it to the mountains it never hunts for gears like a V6. Unfortunately it's my wifes car and she doesnt appreciate it as much as I do.

[@joshjamescars]

Haha! Maybe she should get a new car and you can take over her GX460! ;) And I completely agree with everything you say here!

[@gregscarcella519]

Excellent Video. Great comparison as I am trying to decide between the two.

[@nld0947]

You missed out one important comparison and that the is the towing capability. GX 460 can tow 6500lbs and I think the 4runner can only do 5000lbs.

[@andyg4980]

Hey Josh. Hello from Austin too. This is a great comparison of the 2 vehicles. I went through similar dillema earlier this year choosing between 2023 GX vs 4Runner Limited. In the end, I went with the GX basing the decision on more or less the same criteria you outlined. It replaced the previous generation Lexus NX I owned for 5+ years with zero issues. MPG is way worst (the NX get 22-24mpg). But i enjoy the GX so much, i don't care :-). When I need high mpg and nimble car heading to downtown Austin for SXSW, I can always drive my spouse's RX hybrid. Would love to exchange stories what mods you have done to the GX -i have done several-....And keep up creating the great contents~

[@joshjamescars]

Hey neighbor! Thanks so much for the kind words, I appreciate it! And you made a great choice there! I’ve never had a car that can make even the worst stretches of I35 smooth as butter LOL! And although my goal is to keep this GX 100% stock, I always love to hear what other folks do to theirs! Cheers!!

[@edmundcharles5278]

“Rides and handles like a 1960s Cadillac limousine!’ I’m at an age and stage to enjoy myself, if I can afford the GX the mi can afford premium gas and so-so mileage!

[@diegosuarezdelreal5904]

Hey yo! ATX here as well! I just lost my 4runner TRD Pro in an accident and I am balancing the decision of going back to a 4runner or venture out with the GX! Hopefully I’ll join your club one day.

[@CusineClub-24]

Do you use regular gas or Premium?

[@mikearend997]

Love them both. I own a 2008 Land Cruiser Prado (what the GX is called in the rest of the world), and live in Panama. Many of the roads here have potholes and there is a plethora of back road trails to discover. Many of them lead to beautiful waterfalls that I film with my drone. Mine only has a 2.7 liter 4 cyl. 2TR-FE engine, but it does the job nicely. The only thing I have done is change the suspension (no lift) and installed TRD rims and Falcon Wildpeak AT3 tires. I haven't found anything that it can't get through yet. The point being that you are probably wasting your money on the TRD Pro, unless you just want the badging, or perhaps a little higher resale. But, a SR5 4Runner (or a Limited for that matter) with proper wheels and tires will go to 95% of all the areas a TRD Pro will go. You may have to try a bit harder and use momentum in some cases, but you'll get there. My Prado is like an SR5, except I have full-time 4WD, and I truly enjoy driving it. It is a bit truck-like on the highway, but there are always pros and cons to any vehicle. I do inspire to own a newer Prado or GX (would have to import) in the future or maybe even a Land Cruiser 200 series. As I get older, I find I like a little bit of luxury. Good comparison, I value your honest opinion. Keep up the good work!

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! I had no idea the Prado was available with the 2TR engine but that’s another one that will run for a million miles with no issues! Great car. As for the TRD Pro, IMO it’s worth its money for two reasons: 1. It actually has upgraded features like the JBL sound system and automatic climate control plus remote app access which only it and the Limited get. And 2. It’s a very low production model and so it’s something of a collectors item. Meaning they really don’t depreciate and often sell for more than MSRP on the used market. I sold mine late last year after having the GX for a while and actually sold it back to the dealer for $4,600 more than I paid for the car new back in 2019, 4 years earlier. So mine appreciated over the time I owned it which alone makes it worth it in my opinion. And once the V6 goes away, they’ll be even more valuable which is crazy. It’s going to be the next FJ Cruiser, which also sells for as much as they cost new even 7-8 years on now.

[@Matt28NJ]

Great video, appreciate your time in making this.

[@JvpiterJvzz]

Love the review. Was looking at used GXs & 4Runners and you sold it for me with the back window for the pups!

[@Mlachake]

Josh, consider yourself subscribed!! Very good info on two automobiles I love.

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you! I’m so glad you enjoyed!

[@Slaxsvo]

Hey Josh, new subscriber. Thank you for the absolutely timely review! I often check for new 4Runner/GX review videos and there are pretty few (given how long this current gen has been). That said, I always love your content and your explanations, so this was just perfect. Thank you again-- seriously appreciate it! Hope to see much more related and new content from you!

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you so much for the kind words, I’m so glad you’ve enjoyed! And yes, same at being surprised at how little there is comparing the two! And thanks so much for watching and subscribing!

[@lji2000]

Hey Josh... wanted to tell you that your videos helped me to finally pull the trigger on a new '23 GX - got the exact same package you've got as this is really the sweet spot (wish the '23 Blackline pkg was still available). Wasn't enamored with the GX on the initial test drives, but after driving/living with it for a day or two now, absolutely love it. There are some old school Lexus luxury still present on the GX that is not there on the newer Lexus ...case in point is my '18 ES. There are also some modern touches that I wish Lexus would've updated it with - namely the 3 blinks of the turn signal when slight moving the turn signal lever. Other than that, absolutely love this purchase. Won't be in the vehicle market for a long time now :D

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! Congratulations! I personally don’t like the black line at all. The interior looks so plain in the all-gray and the wood trim is matte which also makes it look like plastic. But that’s just me. And it’s so funny you mention the ES, we actually just picked up a new V6 Camry since the V6 is going away and they’ve actually taken a lot of the refinement techniques from the ES and applied them to the Camry.

[@lji2000]

@@joshjamescars Congratulations on the Camry! Sad to see Toyota removing this buttery engine from their vehicles. What about the Prius? I agree with you on the interior of the Blackline pkg. What I liked was the front camera available with it, but so far haven't had the need for it. Lexus/Toyota should at least offer it as an accessory.

[@joshjamescars]

@lji2000 Thank you! We actually traded it back for exactly what we paid for it, since they’re in such high demand the dealer will sell it way above MSRP, I’m sure.

[@lji2000]

@@joshjamescarsCool. Enjoy the new ride!

[@sunny6020]

Thank you for such good comparison! Hi from Katy, Tx!

[@joshjamescars]

You are so welcome! Thanks for watching and hello from Austin!

[@OrvilleSchnellenberg]

Loved the video. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it!

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@SFzip]

really enjoyed this comparison 👍

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@allenmayer627]

Good video. You’re absolutely right on both vehicles. I own a 21 4 runner off road venture. Love my truck.

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you! And that’s a great 4Runner.

[@5G4R]

Dude! Awesome video! Can’t wait to add a GX460 to my fleet in the future

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you! It’s a great vehicle and you absolutely should!!

[@andregonsalvez9244]

Great review ! I just purchased a 2024 Toyota 4runner . I traded in my 2017 Ford F150 supercrew V8 which I know u will miss but looking forward to many years of trouble free service from my 4runner . 😊

[@joshjamescars]

You can’t go wrong with the 4Runner for reliability and longevity!

[@michaelbaker2686]

This was an EXCELLENT review.

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@ruggedland]

Good comparison. Pretty simple, on-road, GX wins hands down. Off-road, 4Runner takes the cake. One caveat is that GX is plenty capable off-road (it’s a Prado), but the huge chin limits its capability. Also you really don’t need luxury/off-road package on the GX to go off-road, ATrac and GTSS make GX plenty capable already. A simple 2-3 inch lift for a few grand will unleash the full capability of GX which is what I plan to do to my 23 GX in a year or two

[@CusineClub-24]

Or you can get the Luxury trim that has the Height Control.

[@linhunnicutt6556]

I totally agree with each concise point you made.

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@johnasbury9915]

We’re on our second GX460. I picked her up from a service appt today, got out of a loaded 2023 RX350 and still felt like it had gotten an upgrade when I got back in my 2020 GX… just love this vehicle. Smooth, luxurious, quiet, competent, high quality… we love her. The old school V8 is just bulletproof and smooth as silk. She ain’t fast but it’s a pleasure to drive her anywhere (we have 2 Corvettes and a couple of motorcycles so we can get our speed fix on if we need to do so). We plan on keeping her til she disintegrates… or we do..😄

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! I’ve done the same thing-had a nicely optioned new-gen RX and I was really disappointed with it. Didn’t feel like a Lexus to me. Noisy 4-cylinder, cheap plastics on the inside, low grade “wood” trim, all the things our GXs just don’t have. So… I completely agree the GX is just a totally different product from an era long gone!

[@johnasbury9915]

@@joshjamescars they loaned me an NX which was absolutely ridiculously cheap compared to the GX… it is in a class by itself… I’ve never drive. The biggest Lexus SUV & I’m afraid to do so, it may be too tempting..😂

[@joshjamescars]

Well the bad (or maybe good) news with the new LX600 is that it’s sort of just the new NX and RX just bigger-lesser grade interior materials than before, turbo-6 instead of V8, etc.-so it may not be as tempting as you think. And fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, the great LX570 was discontinued back in 2021 and so low mileage, pristine examples for sale are few and far between. So keep your GX460 because I can guarantee you there’s nothing in the Lexus lineup today you’ll want to trade it for!

[@davidburrus9813]

Superb video. When I started shopping for a used 4R I discovered that a used GX was a better value. Call it the Toyota tax? I suspect a luxury (new) car buyer is more prone to trade in more often so perhaps depreciation is steeper on luxury brands in general vs. mass-market brands. Added bonus: the typical luxury owner takes better care of their car. Given the small price delta when I was shopping for 2015 models in 2021, it was no contest. I would love the power rear window feature of the 4R.. For me, V8 w/6sp, Mark Levinson, fantastic seats, and quiet ride sealed the deal.

[@joshjamescars]

Yes! You’re spot on in that there’s more supply of pre-owned GXs on the market because of luxury leasing. A lot of GX owners do buy and keep for the long term (like me) but most 4Runner owners tend to buy and keep so there’s usually less supply of them. And like you say, the GXs gently used are usually in much better condition than a 4Runner that gets dumped on the second hand market.

[@bradcolby3624]

I miss my 2015 GX 460. It held its value above my expectations

[@joshjamescars]

They definitely do! Not too late to get another ;)

[@bradcolby3624]

@@joshjamescars I would do it if I didn’t have my 2022 RX 350 and 2022 ES 350 F Sport. We need a sedan for my husband’s business. We take care of my elderly mom and she couldn’t climb up into to it anymore. Best wishes for your beautiful new GX

[@joshjamescars]

Oh well you’ve got two absolutely amazing cars there! Don’t let them go LOL!!! And thank you so much!!

[@edmundcharles5278]

Spot-on evaluation ! Different vehicles for different uses and users. The GX is pure luxury with strong accents of b😂ing practical; tne 4Runner is the best/value family vehicle that lasts forever!

[@joshjamescars]

Yes!! Completely agreed with this!!

[@poogan1239]

I currently own a '20 4R TRD Off Road Premium and am thinking of going to a GX. I just spend too much time on road to have all the off road gizmos my TRD has. I'd prefer the 3 zone climate, heated and cooled seats etc over the off road gizmos and basic interior of the 4R.

[@joshjamescars]

I think you absolutely should upgrade to a GX if that’s the case! And would highly recommend doing so ASAP before the V8 goes away as well. I have a video going live at noon today of my experience thus far with the GX and honestly could not be happier with it. Plus, you’ll be able to trade your 4Runner for a really great sum. I ended up selling my TRD Pro for $50K to a dealer which is more than I paid for it in 2019.

[@mazepa-slavaukrayini932]

Exceptional, high-quality, very articulate video!! Kudos!!

[@joshjamescars]

Much appreciated! Thank you for watching!

[@Slowly_We_Rot]

I'm debating between a 2016 GX 460 with 147k miles for $23,500 vs a 2018 4Runner with 131k miles for $22,750. I did feel like the GX drove so smooth it felt like a sedan while the 4Runnner was more truck-like. I plan on keeping whichever I get for at least the next 5 years. Not sure which will hold its value the best in the long-term though.

[@joshjamescars]

With the 4Runner, resale depends on trim. TRD Pro will always hold its value best because it’s the halo model and limited production. The GX will always hold its value simply because it’s a V8 Land Cruiser. However, once you get up there in age and mileage where you’re talking about, it’s less about the vehicle and all about how it was maintained by the past owner(s).

[@LonGilford]

I owned a 2017 4Runner and I just recently purchased a 23 GX460 💙the V8 . The GX power and ride quality is amazing! You can’t go wrong owning the 4Runner or the GX 460.

[@joshjamescars]

Yes! Could not agree more. I’ve also just driven the new GX and what a turd by comparison.

[@METamez]

Great comparison. Only point regarding use of one or other to transport big dogs in the back is that the 4R does not have air vents in the back, and the ones in second row are not in ceiling but in lower console. This makes a significant difference to furry friends.

[@joshjamescars]

It does but depending on climate, your furry friends may prefer the fresh air you get from the 4Runner. My big one hates the GX and loves having the window down in everything from freezing weather to 100 degree weather.

[@bradheemma]

Great comparison, i own a 2023 4runner limited, great car, but im hesitant about the gx being using premium gas. Where i live that would break my bank for gas,

[@joshjamescars]

It can definitely be a lot! But for me, the V8 is worth paying the premium penalty for.

[@bradheemma]

@joshjamescars I get it, part of me I want to get it because it's made in Japan, tested for a long time and proving quality, which is something you can't beat anywhere in the world.

[@joshjamescars]

The same thing is true of your 4Runner, though! So I don’t necessarily think you’re missing out on that. I always tell people to go and test drive one even if just for fun because that’s where you’ll see the real differences between a 4Runner and a GX.

[@steveh545]

good stuff. We have an older LandCruiser, and a 2017 GX. I considered a Forerunner briefly, but didn't like the limited ... view? The really short windows. visibility is what i think i mean. I like a "commanding view" and that's hard to find nowadays. the window line on SUV's is rising, probably for safety. The forerunner has a low roof and high windowline. It felt like driving around in some type of military vehicle (as if i've ever done that lol)

[@joshjamescars]

Yes! Totally agreed and you’re spot on with that being a big difference. The floor to ceiling height as a whole is much shorter.

[@profx9719]

One of the best comparisons ever done !!!! It was so good i think im gonna be buying both ...2016 4 runner limited for myself and a 2020 gx for the wife

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you, and I think you’ll be quite happy with both! My only piece of advice to you is to stretch for the 2022 (or new) GX if possible. The infotainment system in the 2022 is worth the extra cash and I believe blind spot was added in 21 or 22 too. Plus, 2020 GXs are still so expensive on the used market too… you’ll maybe save $10K but new GXs are also being discounted quite a bit in some markets.

[@cormacsage7126]

Helpful review on both of my favorites but 4Runner is old school fun

[@jonathanfosbre4257]

I both, well actually 2 GX's and 1 5th gen 4runner...I love them all!!!!

[@joshjamescars]

Wow, that’s great! Keep them for as long as they’ll keep running!

[@chrishilyer9904]

I have an 18 Runner and considering the GX since they are priced so similar in the secondary market. I want the V8 but still wanted the off road capability of the Tuxedo Prado! Thanks for the video.

[@joshjamescars]

You really can’t go wrong with a GX! Especially since the 460 is the last of the old Lexus quality.

[@wallybigwheels8993]

Great review!

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@Vince7503]

Both excellent vehicles. Best available, in my opinion. I just picked up an LX600 FSport for my wife. I have a 22 GX. Daughter has a RAV4, all made in Japan. This is peace of mind. The LX is a V6 twin turbo, but I think it will be a winner, long term. I don’t expect to need a new car for a long time.

[@joshjamescars]

Great choices!!! The LX600 does have a recall on it for the transmission right now so be sure to have that taken care of if you haven’t already.

[@PhilRizkalla]

SR5 4wd is a deadly low budget contender to the gx as well

[@Vox-Populi]

I really like your presentation style. Thanks for this!

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you for watching!

[@RubiconSS26]

I owned a Limited Night Shade. I traded it for my GX (Premium/Sport) - Never looked back.

[@joshjamescars]

Awesome!! Yes, I think the GX is definitely the best upgrade from the Limited Nightshade!

[@michaellafrance6454]

Got both. 2023 GX and 2024 4Runner. Best non-decision ever!

[@LangDzu]

Nice video. I plan to keep my 22 TRD ORP and take it to 1 million miles. 50k plus at the moment and counting

[@joshjamescars]

I love it! Just another 950,000 to go! ;)

[@bigdarshan]

We don't have these amazing cars in most Asian countires where I live unfortunately. But we do have the Toyota Fortuner in place of the 4 runner and its just as tough and capable! The toyota 150 prado is what we have for the gx. It only come in a 2.7 litre petrol engine so it lacks the raw power but its certainly luxuriously. Great video btw!

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! Believe it or not I actually prefer the Fortuner in many ways. Toyota kept it way more updated than the 4Runner. Way nicer lighting inside and out and I’ve heard that it rides about the same even though our 4Runner is built on the same platform as the LC 150/Prado (but the 4Runner doesn’t ride nearly as nicely). The latest update that gave it the black roof looks so good. Cheers!

[@bigdarshan]

@@joshjamescars yes that's right! The new Fortuner looks sick with that two tone coloured roof. It also handles better than the 4 on road and packs more torque as well so overall it's a great package. I love my 2009 which is actually better off orad than the newer iterations. Thanks for the response and keep the great vids coming!

[@catherinecipolla5151]

The limited 4Runner does not have KDSS. Only on the 4Runner TRD off-road premium you can get optional KDSS, but it is not full time 4 wheel drive. You get full time 4 wheel drive and KDSS standard in the GX.

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! Yes, you are correct, I don’t believe I said it did, but if I did, apologies. The one thing not mentioned here is X-REAS which is similar but different to KDSS which the Limited and TRD Sport get, to your point, but the GX does not.

[@sleepii15]

🎯

[@reddon1969]

Am I wrong in thinking that if you want constant 4WD, you can just keep your vehicle on 4WD? I'm not sure why this is considered such a "feature" of the limited 4R

[@joshjamescars]

@reddon1969 Nooooo. The part-time 4WD system only works up to 50mph and is ONLY meant for off-roading as there is no center differential (meaning all wheels spin at EXACTY the same speed at all times and in cornering/turning your outer wheels are covering more distance and spinning faster than the inner wheels) and you can SEVERELY damage your vehicle if you keep it in 4WD at all times. You should look at every trim of the 4Runner besides the Limited as a 2WD vehicle that happens to have a basic 4WD system when you’re off-roading. The GX and 4Runner Limited have an entirely different full-time 4WD system with a center differential that can run at all speeds. 4WD systems are all different and made for different things. VERY VERY important to know the difference before you end up with a $10-20K repair bill.

[@runnerxa]

@@reddon1969 5th gen 4Runner Limited and GX460 have torsen center differential that can be locked at 50% front & 50% rear like a traditional part-time 4WD to be used on loose traction surface (gravel, dirt, mud, sand, snow). It also can be unlocked (aka full time 4WD/AWD and the default setting) to be able to drive on the high traction surface (paved roads) without binding the front and rear differentials. The torsen sensing part of the center differential shifts power from a default rear bias of 60 rear/40 front to either less rear bias or more front bias depending on detected slippage. This torsen center differential has been in Toyota/Lexus 4WD SUVs since 2003 on the 4th gen V8 4Runner, GX470, and Sequoia. Land Cruisers/LX did not get a torsen center differential until 2008. They used a different type of center differential for full time 4WD.

[@caleb_braziel]

You live in Round Rock?! I noticed that intersection of Sunrise and University immediately.

[@joshjamescars]

Haha I do! And thank goodness that whole stretch has finally gotten somewhat sorted out!!

[@andyking4701]

Excellent Review

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@tylerwest3820]

We have a 23gx it’s quiet.

[@edmundcharles5278]

Great analysis- these are two totally different vehicles which excel within their build-engineer dynamics. For the future 4Runner, Toyota should keep the proven, rugged aspirated V6 and not adopt a turbo engine.

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you! I’m really interested to see whether Toyota even keeps the 4Runner around since I think a cheaper body on frame 4x4 could possibly tank Land Cruiser sales.

[@thinker2328]

Great video man. Thanks so much

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@mcwendel8066]

Great video man! Exactly what i was looking for. Was cross shopping these but I think i might go TRD Offroad premium. You sold me on the practicality. I don’t like how the GX has the raised cargo deck because of that stupid 3rd row and the rol doen rear window 👌🏼

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you! And glad I could help! Though I should tell you in fairness that the 4Runner’s load floor is high too, especially if you get the sliding cargo tray (which I really like). It’s not because of the third row but because of the solid rear axle in the back; it takes up a lot more space than an independent rear. But you’re right, the 4Runner is SO practical. In regard to the TRD Off Road, I do think the TRD Pro is worth the upgrade cost for the JBL, dual-zone automatic climate control, and app-based remote start. It is almost inexcusable to me that the TRD Off Road still has single zone manual climate control given its price. Now, since you say you’re cross-shopping, do be sure you fully understand the differences between the full-time 4WD in the GX and part-time 4WD in the TRD Off Road & Pro. It’s not meant to be used on road and only works up to 50mph.

[@mcwendel8066]

@@joshjamescars thanks for the info! I didn’t realize the Trd pro had that many more features. I thought it was primarily the appearance and the suspension which I will be replacing anyways. I originally was looking for a vehicle for my wife, but we ended up getting her an atlas so now this will be for me. I was leaning towards the Lexus because of the full-time four-wheel-drive, i’m in Massachusetts and we get a lot of snow and I wouldn’t want her to leave it in four wheel high doing 65 miles on the highway by accident.

[@joshjamescars]

@mcwendel8066 Yes! That’s why I bought mine, and 100% worth it for the upgrade. That said… since you say you’re in Massachusetts I might actually take back what I said before and tell you to go with a 4Runner Limited or GX because the TRD Pro is a beast in the snow but again is always only rear wheel drive on the highway (or above 50mph). The TRD Pro and Limited share the same “premium” equipment like the dual-zone auto climate, JBL, and remote connect.

[@mcwendel8066]

@@joshjamescars oh good to know! Could always swap the bumper out of the limited, and make it look like the Trd pro. Yeah, I was kind of wondering what the difference was with the four-wheel-drive systems? I noticed the Trd off-road and Pro have the lever to switch into four-wheel-drive, and the other trims seem to have the knob.

[@joshjamescars]

@mcwendel8066 In short, the 4Runner Limited & GX’s Full-time 4WD is basically the same as Subarus (which I see all over up there). Always-on 4WD with a central limited slip differential. Designed primarily for stability and traction for the best on-road use. Any other 4Runner is going to have the part-time 4WD which is NOT designed for on-road use, and can be damaged if used on-road because there’s no limited slip diff to allow for the wheels to spin at different speeds. So the best way to think about any non-limited 4Runner is as a rear wheel drive vehicle that can get you un-stuck in tricky situations at low-speeds on road (plus do brilliantly off-road, of course). Also, the knob vs lever are just different methods of controlling the transfer case. The knob is electronic, the lever is a true old school manual shifter.

[@Ill06Taco]

I have a V8 4Runner and a new GX...really sad to sell the 4Runner this month

[@joshjamescars]

Oh man I would just keep both, the V8 4Runner was a real gem.

[@Ill06Taco]

@@joshjamescars well it's a 2WD limited with 230k mi and all new suspension, all mechanical work done, maintenance, etc. No rust. Shows it's age in a couple areas mainly the paint on the roof is gone but otherwise is very clean. Someone offered me $20k for it. What would you do?

[@joshjamescars]

Damn! 4Runner values are insane. I ended up selling my TRD Pro for $50. Couldn’t pass that up either.

[@Ill06Taco]

@@joshjamescars Damn! Haha I know you meant $50k but that's insane resale even on a TRD pro. You did great!

[@jerseycitymuaythai]

Great video bro

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@hashemeshanouq7351]

Well done mate

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@franciscoperez6356]

Very well done 👍🏼

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@pall5114]

Hi Josh, enjoyed the video, a new subscriber, I have a TRD OF w/o KDSS no choice during COVID inventory, it was take what was available. If I heard correctly you said the GX is all around bigger and has more interior space. When I was buying I was considering both vehicles and actually liked the GX but hated the dated center info center and didn't want the wait the unknown date for refresh. However, if you look at the Toyota and Lexus websites for dimensions the 4R is wider 75.8 vs 74.2, the GX is longer 192.1 vs 190.5. The 4R has slightly more head,/shoulder room, and the GX has more rear leg room 34.1 vs 4R 32.9. Rear cargo space 4R second row down is significant at 89.7 vs GX with both 2nd & 3rd down at 64.7. Correct me If I am assessing the numbers wrong. Otherwise on point with all the other comparisons. Of course, my German shepherd appreciates the slide-down rear window and would object to GX. Often I consider trading in the 4R for the GX being the last year. Like you said both are excellent and legendary serving different roles. GX without a doubt better for longer trip drives but 4R with stock street tires is pretty smooth. The best thing is like you own both..lol. Also, is the side step on your 4R stock or after-market? I don't like the black and silver that came with my 4R and considering replacing it with similar to yours.

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! A few people have pointed out the 4Runner’s dimensions being wider but the only way I can imagine that being the case with is if I think they’re listing minimum clearance width which for the GX would be with the power mirrors folded. Also not sure how they got the interior measurements because the 4Runner was cramped for me but the GX is almost too big (like it’s almost too tall floor to ceiling inside for my 5’6” frame to sit comfortably and reach the pedals), so… maybe it’s some kind of magic trick Toyota is playing but I personally can’t see a way having the two side by side and going from one to the other that the GX is possibly smaller than the 4Runner. As for rear cargo space in the 4Runner, keep in mind that all GXs have a third row seat but not all 4Runners do, so I’d guess the measurement difference is due to that. But don’t take my word for it, I’d recommend going to a dealer and parking your 4Runner side by side with a GX on the lot and going back and forth between the two. See if you agree with what I feel doing it with my two. The new infotainment in the GX is also terrific so if you’re wanting to upgrade, now is the time! Also, the GX offers a smoother ride not just because of the tires but also because of the V8, the extra 6th gear on the freeway, and full-time 4WD (so it puts down power to the pavement more equally, versus the 4Runner is always pushing itself around from the rear). As for the running boards, mine are OEM Toyota! I don’t have the part number off hand but these are off of the Trail model from when the 5th gen first launched. Google that and you’ll see my running boards. I love them and highly recommend them!

[@cruzinthruspace]

KDSS is cool but if you don't have it no biggie. Just another part to replace. And it's harder to fix. Whether you have KDSS or not you have a 4Runner and it's capable as hell.

[@claw247]

I might have to go with the 4Runner just because of the aftermarket support

[@joshjamescars]

Fully support! I think anyone who wants to modify should absolutely go with the 4Runner! You have to do too much to the GX to make it decent as an off-roader IMO.

[@mercboy111]

Agree with you brother one hundred percent. I would actually go for 4Runner TRD Off Road with KDSS package. That’s just as capable as the Prado 250 but with a V6 engine 😊

[@joshjamescars]

That would be a great choice! Though I think your Prado 250 has full time 4WD if I’m not mistaken which makes it more capable on road. The 4Runner (except for the Limited) is annoyingly part time 4WD with no center differential meaning only under 50mph.

[@mercboy111]

@@joshjamescars oh didn’t know the 4Runner is part time. It’s ok you have KDSS hehe ;) My Prado J150 is full time AWD with DAC and centre locking diff. Great SUV, had Moby Dick since 2012 :)

[@cruzinthruspace]

KDSS is overrated.

[@mercboy111]

@@cruzinthruspace why?

[@paulw245]

I found the comparisons you made very insightful. I like the Lexus brand but would not consider it because of the grill. I really hate the look of the grill and can't imagine it would stand up very well if you parked on the street or parking lots. I usually drive a vehicle for 10 years or more so a big part of my decision is what is going to brake

[@joshjamescars]

I totally understand that. I personally love the grille on this GX. I don’t care for the new grilles Lexus is doing on the new RX, TX, and GX. But obviously, that’s for everyone to decide on their own! :)

[@arvindparimi6691]

For the price point comparison it is true if you were buying new(In 2023) but if you are looking at used ones they are pretty close in price. All in all I think if your driving on paved roads 90% of the times GX would be a better option but if your an absolute off roader then definately 4runner. I guess you cant go wrong with either of the choices.

[@joshjamescars]

Yes but used pricing is always going to vary because there are so many factors at play (age, condition, mileage, color, options, etc.) so the only way to really compare price on a level playing field is to use new pricing of the same model year.

[@T8T-]

Isn't the GX460 narrower than a 4Runner? My research says the 4Runner is 76 inches wide while the GX is 74, but maybe those numbers are wrong. I could see how the GX would feel wider even if it actually isn't.

[@joshjamescars]

You have to also look at width with and without mirrors and interior dimensions on both. The floor to ceiling height and greenhouse also makes the GX feel bigger.

[@elderhiker7787]

Excellent comparison. Speaking of upgrades: I just downgraded from the TRD Sport to the SR-5 Premium and here is why. First, I bought the Sport because it was all they at the time. But, I agree with you about the Sport: what’s the point? It is sort of the worst of all worlds: it’s not as off-road capable as the Oo-Road or the Pro and it lacks the refinement for on-road driving. So, for me, the SR-5 Premium is on upgrade of the on-road driving experience but still retains the same 4-wheel capabilities for modest trail driving and winter bad road driving that I occasionally need. I certainly don’t do extreme off-road driving or rock crawling. It’s sort of a no-brained for me. If I win the lottery, I will get the Lexus.

[@joshjamescars]

Great perspective, thanks for sharing!! I like the look of the TRD Sport but the configuration underneath is odd to me. IMO it should also have the full-time 4WD system from the Limited and the GX. And I’m surprised to hear that it lacks on road refinement because I thought that’s what the whole point of it was (I haven’t driven one personally). Anyway, congrats on the SR5 premium!!

[@christiangarcia3693]

Really good review!

[@Jojo-ni2cg]

great compare!!!

[@joshjamescars]

Thank you!

[@Pyrrhus0331]

Great comparison. Wifey is considering both the GX and Runner. Thing is we have a 2021 tundra limited and I can’t imagine putting gas in 2 V8’s haha, especially premium, ESPECIALLY in the Bay Area CA

[@joshjamescars]

Haha! Yeah that would get expensive real quick! Though, it depends on how much she intends to drive it. I would definitely test drive both and then decide. Part of me thinks having two of the last Toyota V8s would really be something special.

[@Pyrrhus0331]

@@joshjamescars agreed

[@analvillarreal78]

I dont think its that expensive. My husband drives a TRD tundra v8, and I drive a '23 GX v8.

[@chazlyle41]

Looking for room for kids, dog, camping gear, etc. the GX seems more spacious but a lot of that is height. Any insights on practical usable space for car seats, pup, gear, etc?

[@joshjamescars]

I think it depends on how much space you want for all that. How many kids, how many pups, what kind of gear, etc. these are big boxes on wheels and great at carrying all kinds of stuff but if you’re a family of 4 and want to bring your entire lives with you, it may be too small for you. It’s not the size of a Tahoe, for example. On the other hand if you have a CR-V or something like that today, then you’ll have tons more space. Go look at one in person is the best advice I can give you.

[@chazlyle41]

@@joshjamescars We,ve owned Pickup/1st/2nd Gen Tacos, 3rd/4th Gen 4Runner (wife's current whip is a V8 4th gen), 1st/2nd Gen Tundras, and before kids have done a ton of 30+ day trips living out of the back of the tiny 3rd gen Runner. Pretty minimalist. Upgrading her from the 4G4R to a '16 GX most likely, but the '19 4R Limited has us torn from being 100% for sure. I've read multiple people say one is more spacious than the other adamantly so hard to tell which is true. Thanks!

[@joshjamescars]

If you can afford to I would try to go with the 2020+ versions. Both vehicles got significant upgrades that year. Both got the ADAS system and if you’re buying a new vehicle I think it’s worth getting. The 4Runner also got CarPlay for 2020 (GX got it for 2022) and the GX got full LED headlights in 2020 too. Also, if you’re coming from a V8 4Runner I don’t think you’ll want to go down to the V6. The V6+5-speed auto isn’t a great driving experience.

[@chazlyle41]

@@joshjamescars We’re looking for 2016 (and some 2017 model) GXs (and considering 2019 Runners) specifically to avoid the LSS/TSS haha. Thank you so much for your feedback! 6 speed V8 is half the reason we’re wanting to go GX. “Space” may be another if we can get in one to confirm.

[@joshjamescars]

To each their own, but the first generation system in the 4Runner and GX isn’t intrusive and you can turn a lot of it off if you want to, but auto emergency braking is a really important feature; it’s the difference between hitting a kid who may run out into the street or a car that might cut you off. The NHTSA is mandating it in all new cars by 2029 and some insurance companies assess newly purchased vehicles at higher rates without ADAS.

[@johnrichards3666]

Great comparison. I'm glad to hear that the GX is taller and more comfortable on the highway. I always figured that was the case but now I know for sure. I would have gotten the GX anyway because it still has a CD player. Why have a Mark Levinson system if you're just listening to the radio, right?

[@joshjamescars]

SPOT ON. I actually mentioned that in my standalone 6-month in owner review that I use CDs in my GX all the time. You wouldn’t believe the amount of flack that got but I stand by that!

[@johnrichards3666]

Thanks for that. I imagine we're the last two people on the planet that feel that way but it's enough to make me buy a GX over anything else.

[@JC-xc8rx]

What a good análisis. I own the limited edition and I was thinking on trade it for the GX. Now, I’m sticking with the Toyota . Thanks for the unbiased comparison.

[@joshjamescars]

You’re most welcome! I’d definitely advise test driving a GX460 before you make a final decision, but I think both are great either way. And, you’ll still have the last V6 4Runner too since the 25 is going all in on turbo 4s.

[@yanyanxu6339]

Thank you for the video, I am deciding a new SR5 premium vs 2021 gx460 which is 32000 miles and $46900. I have two kids and want a SUV that can fit 7 person. Can you give me some advice for this? For the majority of time, I will just use it on Road. I don’t know cars, but considering the 4Runner is near the last, I think it will reserve more value for the next 5 years. But Gx is easier to drive.

[@joshjamescars]

Hi there! There are a few things to think about. First, do you need 4WD for on-road driving (for winter driving)? If so, get the GX as the 4Runner only has part time 4WD, meaning it’s not meant for on-road driving and only works below 50mph. Second, both the 4Runner and GX’s third rows are for occasional use for young kids only. It’s TINY and when it’s up, you have no cargo space behind the third row. Finally, both can be hard for younger kids and older adults to get into because they’re body on frame SUVs and so the step in height is really high, especially when you’re trying to get into the third row. You might want to look at a unibody crossover like a Highlander (or Grand Highlander) or something like that as they’re FAR more practical for carrying 7 people around.

[@yanyanxu6339]

@@joshjamescars Thank you for the prompt reply and the great suggestions! Yes, I think I do need a 4WD car in Colorado. I just use the third row occasionally. Looking for a reliable grocery car to pick up the kids and drive me to school, looks like 50 mph is enough for my daily on road usage.

[@joshjamescars]

@yanyanxu6339 It’s more complicated than just 50mph. You don’t have a limited slip differential in the 4Runner which means your wheels are always spinning at exactly the same speed and you can damage the car using 4WD on road where your wheels need to be spinning at different speeds. So I’d write the 4Runner off entirely (unless you buy a limited which has full-time 4WD) and go with the GX. Though, honestly I think you should consider a crossover like a Highlander or Pilot.

[@dustinb1985]

Great video, I live in the DFW area and I'm gonna have to upgrade my current beater pretty soon. I was thinking about buying an IS350 (had one in addition to my beater) again but I think I'm done with sedans. I've been going back and forth between limited trim 4runner and GX prem plus. There's about a 10k diff on the price from what im looking for. I like the fact that the 4runner uses the 87 oct but id prob only do about 10k miles a year so I don't think an extra .50 cents a gallon is gonna break me too bad lol. I'm not an offroad person which I'd love to have a BMW X5 but I've wasted soooo much money on flipping cars that I need something that's gonna be bullet proof and last awhile. I'm in search of something reliable, smooth riding, sits up higher (SUV) like. One thing I think is a big PRO in the GX if equipped is the Mark Levinson sound system.. The JBL in the 4runners just don't impress me that much..

[@joshjamescars]

I think you should definitely go for the GX if you can swing it, it’s head and shoulders better than the 4Runner Limited. I love the 4Runner but the GX is in a different ballgame. Now, I do want to add that depending on what you value and what you like, the GX is an OLD vehicle so you’re not going to get modern technology anywhere (adaptive cruise only above 32mph, passive not active lane keep/centering, passive blind spot, no steering assist at all), so to your point about wasting money on flipping cars, you have to be honest with yourself about whether the GX is going to actually make you happy for 5-10 years. Keep in mind it’s about 10 years out of date NOW so in 10 years you’ll have 20 year old technology.

[@dustinbradshaw2153]

​@@joshjamescarsyeah thanks for insight. I'm aware of the technology. I like the fact that it uses a proven tech to make it reliable. All these new features scare me when it comes time to fix or replace outta warranty especially with digital dash. Lol

[@ananamusly]

Don't know why you would switch an sr5 for the trd pro. Save all that money on the trd premium and outfit the sr5 with all kinds of gadgets like metal bumpers and air powered locking differentials. You'll have a much more capable vehicle without overpaying for the trim level

[@joshjamescars]

Everyone values things differently. I personally could never buy a 4Runner and have the low rent cloth seats, manual climate control, and no moonroof, etc. Plus, 4Runner TRD Pros hold their value far better than an SR5, especially a heavily modified SR5. Granted, I am not a serious, every weekend off-roader either. So for me, being able to buy the car in 2019 for $46,500, drive it and use it for 4 years, and then sell it in 2023 for $50K solidified that I made the right decision back then.

[@pinoyelectriciansbayarea1608]

I love my 4runner. first suv that we use for family. Since ive got gx 460 my wife stop driving her 4runner. Love the comfort when u drive the lexus. My 4ruuner drives like a truck.

[@JC-xc8rx]

4Runner is not a SUV. It is a TRUCK.

[@LANDIIIIIOFIIIIIFIRE]

If I have 4RUNNER (specially Limited trim) I would hesitate to buy GX. I would add one more category to this comparison. Which holds value better?…

[@joshjamescars]

That’s interesting! Would love to know what would make you hesitate to upgrade? As for value, there’s no real way to call that one way or another and they will fluctuate with the market. The 4Runner TRD Pro holds its value like nothing else (mine has appreciated and I can sell it for more than I paid for it) but the SR5 isn’t the same way. Likewise, the GX holds its value well too but it depends how it’s outfitted.

[@kevinmcclelland2135]

I’m planning to purchase a 2014-2020 gx460. Update the Navi system to wireless apple CarPlay & add the updated grill on the front. Just waiting for the car market to collapse so i can buy one for a great deal.

[@joshjamescars]

They’re actually a pretty good deal right now (what you want is in the mid-30s to mid-40s), given that a lot of people are focused on the GX550 since it’s the big shiny new thing.

[@don_kandon6006]

Is GX really smoother than benz-s class? How about noise isolation aka sound proofing? Thanks.

[@joshjamescars]

Go and watch my intro video to the GX. It’s like a bank vault. That comment wasn’t a knock on the S-Class, A8, and 7-series, but that they’re far more dynamic and much sportier. As of late I feel like they’ve all gotten firm, taut, and quiet; where the LS and GX are old school soft, cushy, and quiet. Not for everyone, but I love it.

[@SkywalkerPMs]

I bought a 2022 GX, and Im thinking about buying a leftover 2023 4R limited. Im not trading the GX. I want both!

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! You absolutely should, I love the 4Runner Limited. The only thing I’ll advise you think about is whether you may want another GX because in many places, the GX is being heavily discounted below the price of a loaded 4Runner Limited 4WD. And… despite the premium fuel required in the GX, I think I might rather have it for the same price, cheers!

[@SkywalkerPMs]

Well, I bought another GX! A low mileage 2015.

[@justcollectingdust]

I see the 4Runners everywhere as well as the Jeep Wranglers. I'd like to know how many people really take these off road? I honestly believe they are more driven just for the impression of doing so and that is fine. With that, I'd rather have the GX simply for access and egress since I am 6'5" and elderly. Really elderly :)

[@joshjamescars]

I think you’re spot on about the number of people who own them and don’t drive them off-road. Regarding your height and wanting something easy to get into, you may find a crossover to be better suited. The GX still is a body on frame vehicle which means the floor of the vehicle is significantly higher off the ground than a crossover.

[@d.phothirath5084]

I have a Gx 470 , 4th gen v8 4Runner & a 5th gen 4Runner. I totally agree that each vehicle has a time and place, but all 3 are capable and reliable.

[@joshjamescars]

That V8 4Runner is really something special! Hold onto that one for a long time!

[@BernieMittens]

@@joshjamescarsI have a 97 limited. Would you replace the 97 with an 08 v8 4x4 t4r

[@joshjamescars]

I would but you have to be really careful and make sure that the car is mechanically sound since an 08 is going to be 15 years old. Be sure to get it inspected by an independent Toyota mechanic who specializes in Toyota trucks.

[@dougfunk01]

which is your favorite?

[@d.phothirath5084]

I just picked a very clean 4x4 3rd Gen in Arizona I’m looking to build up.. so far I would say the GX470 is my favorite minus the gas. The quality & detail in the interior is something on its own for being a lot older. It also has a lot more room. The GX470 always just feel more stable on in the snow and hills.

[@JoBiatch]

You forgot about the hood scoop in the 4Runner! 20 additional HP right there!

[@joshjamescars]

Haha!!! Yes!!!

[@mikeyc7072]

Thanks for the Video👍😎 The 4Runner Limited can be Supercharged and outfitted with proper wheels and tires for off-roading = Cost of a New GX premium!! Not a route that most consumers would take; however, food for thought!! Where I live, the nearest Lexus dealer is 2hrs+ drive and the Toyota dealer is 15min drive - my decision may be made for me by default.

[@joshjamescars]

Hello!! Yes, it definitely can be but that adds additional maintenance and puts more stress on the engine and transmission too. That actually now would push it likely past a GX Premium like mine. Also, check with your dealer but you can take a GX to Toyota for servicing if you really decided the Lexus is going to work better for you. They can order any parts that you need as the catalogue is the same and the 1UR was in the Tundra. And, if your GX ever did need specialty care, you could make that drive. I say this because I have family that lives in Hawaii but not on the main island of Oahu (they live on the Big Island) and they don’t have a Lexus dealer but many people on the island own Lexuses and take them to the Toyota dealer for service.

[@mikeyc7072]

@@joshjamescars Thank You - great information!

[@M5_Sonu]

Any Toyota dealer can, and most likely will, service your GX ! You don’t need a Lexus dealership for it at all..

[@jameszooski9053]

What about the 4 runner limited edition x ray suspension, center diff, all wheel drive, a baby land Land Cruiser. luxury .

[@joshjamescars]

The Limited is great (it’s X-REAS suspension) but it’s still bogged down by the 5-speed auto and I think the Limited is too close in price to a base GX460 where you get real luxury, a better engine, and much better transmission.

[@Jmort93]

I found a one owner 2015 GX460 213k miles because the maintenance was perfect but aesthetically it wasn’t perfect so I wouldn’t be apprehensive of modding or getting trail marks.

[@joshjamescars]

That’s great! I’m sure you got it for a great price, too!

[@BenMed978]

GX for the Mark Levinson and noise deadening alone. It’s like a 4runner in a tuxedo at symphony hall.

[@joshjamescars]

Yes! Spot on description there!

[@SuperLooneyrooney]

what's the difference in towing capacity ? would assume the GX w a V8 would be higher but by how much ? This is one consideration for my situation

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! 5,000 on the 4Runner vs 6,500 on the GX and trust me the 4Runner doesn’t feel like it has enough power to tow anything.

[@SuperLooneyrooney]

@@joshjamescars Thanks for that. 5,000 lbs is plenty enough for me then (single jet ski and a smallish bass boat for very short , not too hilly distances)

[@TEQLC]

Awesome comparison. :) I totally agree with all that you said. (currently own both). Say, I noticed on your GX driving video footage that your steering wheel looks likes it's off-centered to the left a tiny bit. The only reason I noticed, is because mine does the same. (less than a few weeks old). It drives straight as an arrow, but it's like it follows the slight curve (arch) of the road. Have you noticed the same, or no? It's not enough for me to take it in, just something I noticed. Other than that, the GX is absolutely perfect!!

[@joshjamescars]

Interesting! I hadn’t noticed but I’m going to go and look now that you mentioned it! Honestly I’m so used to both the GX and 4Runner being a handful to drive due to their hydraulic power assisted steering racks that I don’t think I’d notice if it were to start pulling in one direction or another LOL!!

[@M5_Sonu]

It’s a known, and accepted, flaw with GXes ( just like the infamous lean ) .. As long as it drives straight, don’t go down the perfectly centered steering rabbit hole!

[@TEQLC]

@@M5_Sonu Thanks for commenting! As a guy who who would've gone down that rabbit hole, and never came out, I appreciate knowing this. 😎👍

[@xiaoqiuwu4154]

Thank your video. I have one question for you. Do you think 2022 or 2023 GX460 need installing anti theft device on it? Thank you.

[@joshjamescars]

Not for me but I don’t generally leave them in areas where auto theft is common and mine parks in a locked garage at home at night. If you do, or if you’re often in dodgy areas, you might not want to buy a GX in general.

[@ozzie3056]

Do you think a 2014 gx will ride different than a 2021 gx? As far as soundproofing and handling. Im interested in a older gx460 and wanted to purchase cash. Opposed to giving a big down and still making payments. I dont mind the pre facelift look and higher miles .

[@joshjamescars]

Hello! I do think Lexus refined the experience overall, and The Topher who has owned a 2012 or 2014 (can’t remember) has remarked that the new ones ride a lot more nicely than his did. Now, a LOT has to do with mileage and how well it was maintained and tires, etc. as well and that cant be overlooked. Meaning, a new Hyundai or Chevy could very easily be more reliable and more mechanically sound than a 10 year old GX if it wasn’t maintained properly, if that makes sense. And the thing to really look at with older GXs and 4Runners is that many of them were bought from their first owner, turned into an off-roading rig, and then returned to stock once the second owner decided to move on and you wouldn’t know it from looking at the CarFax and vehicle history. So if you’re buying one, take it to a GOOD mechanic that specializes in Toyota trucks and have them do a thorough one over on the truck to make sure it was owned by some retiree who only ever drove it to pick up the grand kids and run to target LOL! I’d also advise you to really think about the long term too. Yeah you may have to take out a small loan for a new one but is it worth it to have a brand new car that you can keep running in pristine working order for the next 15-20 years? Versus one that’s already halfway through its lifespan and won’t have any kind of warranty. The Mark Levinson sound unit in these alone is $5,000 for parts and another $2,000 or so for labor. AMD’s 600,000 mile LS is an extreme case but look how much he’s had to put into that car. Because these are going away full stop this year, it may be worth buying the last great GX new (I’ve heard people are getting $5-8K off of them too) and paying off the loan as fast as you can and having a car that you can baby and maintain from new for its entire lifetime.

[@ozzie3056]

@@joshjamescars thx for the thorough reply. I'll definitely take all that into consideration. You've been very helpful.

[@acsnake]

I am still thinking should i update from TRD PRO to GX550 Overtrail +...... hard to decide. Worry about Car jacking or auto theft.

[@joshjamescars]

I would give the new GX a year or two before you buy; that turbo engine still has some kinks they need to work out and the entire car is new so unlike the current 4Runner and GX it will have some teething issues for the next few years as they sort things out.

[@acsnake]

@joshjamescars the main issue is auto theft/ car jackingis extremely bad in Canada.

[@wonderboy1998]

You should buy seat covers to avoid any type of seat damage in your GX

[@joshjamescars]

That’s one reason I bought the NuLuxe and not the semi-aniline leather. With careful use and routine detailing, they’ll hold up great. We also have heated and cooled seats and seat covers will make those great features less effective.

[@christopherkaialani5916]

very very helpful thanks

[@joshjamescars]

You are very welcome, glad it was helpful!

[@jerseycitymuaythai]

How would describe the seating position? I have a Tacoma and had to get seat shims. It feels like my feet and legs are in a awkward position and also the the tilt and telescoping of the steering wheel. I’m trying to upgrade the size of my family suv ( x1).. but the seating position of the Tacoma i don’t want lol..

[@joshjamescars]

Oh no the GX and 4Runner are totally different. I know exactly what you mean too and I greatly dislike the Tacoma for exactly that reason. These both have a very different seating position. I almost find the GX is almost too tall for me (5’6”) so definitely sit in and test drive.

[@jerseycitymuaythai]

@@joshjamescars which truck if you are 6’4 would be better? I want a Tahoe type feel but Toyota reliability lol . I use the Tacoma for work and i know it will last forever and it’s a just a tool to me like power saw or drill so that is fine cause the pros outweighs the cons compared to my other trucks lol. But driving with kids and dogs and how big i am - i really want leg and shoulder width room.. it seems the gx will have more arm and leg room…

[@joshjamescars]

@jerseycitymuaythai oh get the GX, most definitely. However, it does REQUIRE premium fuel which is a dealbreaker for some. But if it isn’t, you’re also looking at only a few weeks before true GX460 goes away forever. Most dealers are down to less than 15.