2022 Honda Civic Si vs Toyota GR86 // DRAG & ROLL RACE

[@ezsog8903]

I would buy both just for the financial instability

[@eliotgarcia21]

Yes brother 🗿🗿

[@slappy4braps20]

? A 30k shitbox is breaking the bank ?

[@Bailey_54R]

@@slappy4braps20 yeah lol. $30k is a lot. More than either of these cars are worth. Peoples willingness to finance vehicles has skyrocketed vehicle prices.

[@Alumnikiid]

@@slappy4braps20 Yea dude thats $570 on a 60 month loan. Now they have 10 year car loans so now companies can overcharge for cars even more.

[@sidefx996]

@@slappy4braps20 Well considering probably 99% of people who buy one of these things don’t have that much money saved up, yeah it is.

[@ShinyOwen]

I'm glad there was an explanation of the "evil laugh" noises by James, because I thought he was enjoying his cake. I'd love to put a new GR86 in my garage! Thanks for another enjoyable race.

[@noahpickerill3749]

Who wouldn't want a new GR86 in their garage honestly

[@wayward03]

I've been trying for a couple months now 😩

[@chalelu]

Would you like to put one in mines as well?

[@ToyotaGT8614]

@@noahpickerill3749 mx5 owners

[@maxwelltolstedt]

As I'm still in the break-in period with my GR86, living vicariously through you guys racing it has been a blast.

[@MrNotgoth]

Same...it's been tempting to go past 4k 😅

[@MrGamingCookie]

Littrally just missed out on an order in the UK because of computer issues....

[@nanashi2146]

@@MrGamingCookie That sucks man

[@hxhabe5795]

My si didn’t get a break in period. I wanted to give it the true honda owner experience.

[@fry.master]

@@hxhabe5795 as you should... tbh the oem pistons/rings in k series engine burn oil if you don't break them in... HARD. mostly on the k20a2, if the owner didnt trash it off the rev limiter a few times during break in, they would burn oil every time at those high rpm's for the rest of the life of the engine. One day I want to understand why the hell that is, but it's absolutely real. Good luck with your si! Throw a bigger turbo on it after break in :)

[@zigaveren3902]

A race around the circuit would also be very fun to see

[@peterjordansonthe2nd731]

The Si has had about the same power since 2006 (it now has more torque). It used to have a few more horsepower but was detuned or something for whatever reason - pretty embarrassing. The only thing going for it is that it's cheaper than it's rivals and can fit more luggage/people actually by a substantial amount

[@manshellramos1292]

I am a honda guy but I am happy for Toyota with the new GRs.

[@kimgonzalez1591]

I'm mad 😠 jk I want a gr86 they are so much faster than before

[@chriscline3944]

I'd love to see more competition. I hope Honda has something in store that returns the shots fired by Toyota.

[@mitchellc2723]

Happy for Subaru

[@djw5415]

@@chriscline3944 I couldn’t agree more. Honda needs a budget 2 door rwd sports car!

[@Cyborg_Auto]

@@chriscline3944 Don't hold your breath, Honda is all about family cars now..

[@VaunShiz]

That new motor in the 86 is such a huge leap over the old one

[@marcusmcneal7453]

Yeah, the last gen 86 was notorious for getting abused by even non-SI turbo Civics. Now they're actually sports car quick!

[@flip90925]

30 extra horse power 😆

[@nn99nn99]

@@flip90925 Dyno results seem to show around 50 extra horsepower

[@rx4mandude]

The old one was ok . Tuned on e85 with breathing mods easy 180kw

[@nhantran98]

I want Toyota to put that 3 banger in the 86

[@NvSrAgE679]

Exactly as expected but a joy to watch regardless.

[@dnegel9546]

Wonder if the Elantra N line DCT can beat the GR86 since it beat the si by roughly the same margin.

[@NvSrAgE679]

@@dnegel9546 personally I would expect to the N to win but hey, Throttle House, can we get a race please?

[@dnegel9546]

@@NvSrAgE679 I'm thinking of getting a n line. But in manual.

[@NvSrAgE679]

@@dnegel9546 I prefer the look of the N-Line to the N. I think the front looks nicer without all the black.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@NvSrAgE679 N Line doesnt fare any faster either bro.

[@marcinhernik1270]

Had to settle for a Civic Sport as I am not paying 5k or 10k over sticker on an Si... and even in the Sport model, I will admit, I take the "slow car fast" seriously. My neighborhood corners have never seen such fury.

[@desertdriver7056]

“My neighborhood corners have never seen such fury.” I need that on a t-shirt. 😎

[@svandorst1]

Plus if you live in America rather than Canada, Honda thinks Americans are fools. Charging more for the same car with less features than the Canadian version.

[@s2kedwin502]

Bruh I work at this Honda in Los angles and with the mark up and Everything else comes out to $40,000 plus tax smh

[@svandorst1]

@@s2kedwin502 I want what they're smoking.

[@WorthTheRiskGaming]

where do you live where this is? ive never even heard of this in Canada, or atleast in my province.

[@letsgobrandon416]

In the words of Jeremy Clarkson "congratulations, you've proven the most powerful car is also the fastest"

[@stubbingtonmarigold3032]

Haha the si is a fuckin dud. It got walked by a slow car.

[@royshavrick]

@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 the GR86 does 0-60 in like 5.2 sec, so if the Si does it in like 5.9 ofc it'll be slower. edit: 5.4 according to C and D but whatever

[@-_--le3zk]

@@royshavrick who told you it does 5.2?it does 6.6,but if that was an example then sorry

[@ralkia]

@@-_--le3zk old gen 86 did ~6.6, GR does 5.4 according to Toyota.

[@Matthew-rc1xt]

@@-_--le3zk 6.6 in an automatic maybe. does under 5.5 in the current gen with a manual

[@dannyve4982]

Coming from an 2017 STI owner to the 2022 BRZ, I am thoroughly enjoying this thing. No regrets!

[@thunderclap2205]

Do you still like it? I currently have 2015 STI and I am seriously considering trading it for a 2022 GR86. I am just scared I will miss the turbo/more power of the STI

[@dannyve4982]

@@thunderclap2205 love it! You'd be surprised how much the BRZ/86 delivers despite being down on power. It's no straight line car, but neither is the STi (of course if you put a lot of money in it, but that's beside the point) Their both chassis balanced, drivers car. I think you'll enjoy the lighter, rwd, analog feel. You'd be surprised how they are both similar in their own way. I do miss the steering rack in the STI

[@thunderclap2205]

@@dannyve4982 That's great to hear! I do like the idea of a smaller lighter car that should be more reliable. And I could always do FI later down the road if I really wanted more power. Though FI would probably negate the reliability lol

[@dannyve4982]

@@thunderclap2205 also a reason I moved away from the EJ. Mind you she was extremely reliable, but, I wanted something newer and n/a

[@gilbertosantos2806]

When i was car shopping, these were the two cars i wanted. And frankly, i could go either way. If you want the best driving experience outside something like a Porsche Cayman GT4, get the GR86. If you want a near 40 mpg sedan with more than enough Handling & Speed keep you entertained when the wife & kids aren't around, get the Civic Si. P.S since everyone is mad in the comments, i reference the Cayman as i've gotten the chance to experience it in-person.

[@ZakDavis]

For sure, pretty much why I snagged the Si over the hachiroku

[@omarawilson2853]

If the Civic still came in a coupe. I might’ve bought one but seeing as how I’m in my 20’s and love coupes, the GR seems like the way for me

[@apolloxlix679]

@@omarawilson2853 same, though im not planning to buy one any soon, i really liked the civic coupes and the hatch like the ek series

[@Joe---]

I agree 👍 💯 %

[@Cyborg_Auto]

Comparing the 86 to a Gt4 😁😂😂😁

[@counseledeight8964]

I own a 2022 Civic SI and I fully expected the GR86 to win this one unfortunately. I love my SI though and I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's an absolute blast to drive!

[@buildmorefarms1007]

It's a Honda.

[@utsavmayani5272]

I picked mine yesterday and I do not care that it is not a rocket like everyone expects it to be. Its just so fun to drive in while being economical and comfortable

[@kobecross3298]

Hmmm you wouldnt trade it for a gr86?

[@povboy009]

I expected the same since new si only comes sedan

[@TheFK8Life]

A simple flex fuel kit and e30 tune/downpipe would demolish a GR86 280whp/340wtq

[@DefinitelyNotIU]

I hope you guys don't change the intro for the track stuff, it's honestly pretty great.

[@shibaspeed]

Looking forward to the new Type R versus the GR Corolla in a drag race and how their lap times compare

[@SlowFk8]

Same I can’t wait. I thinking gr get it off the line and the R has a chance to reel her back in. But on a roll I think the r will get the win. But to me the true test is the track.

[@alanblack1340]

I’m sure the type r will freight train the gr the top end is crazy on the R

[@xuananator]

YAAAAS I was thinking just this haha

[@GERONIMO326]

The old Type R would dominate the Corolla on track, let alone the new one

[@alanblack1340]

@@GERONIMO326 I agree the type r has the fastest 60-120 out of all the cars in the class plus the fastest lap times

[@ScottSchapiro]

Important that Willow Springs, CA is at about half a mile of altitude, so the Civic Si actually has a bit of an advantage, being a turbo. So at sea-level, the GR86 would do even better.

[@roblucchetti2993]

also the GR86 gets Michelin's and the Civic gets Goodyears....that's most certainly going to add to any performance difference.

[@Drewdownkali]

@@roblucchetti2993 the Goodyear's I bought for my GTI are way lighter than the Michelins.

[@HydraliskX]

@@roblucchetti2993 I don't think either car is traction limited.

[@normt430]

I was going to say about 2,600 feet above sea level I expected the turbo-4 to pull ahead. California piss gas to blame?

[@metalogic1580]

@@Drewdownkali Performance of the tire and grip matters a BIT more than the weight.. just a bit lol

[@adrianstaicu5476]

I love your content and car knowledge, identifying the difference and sometimes why two cars truly aren’t on the same level/performance/use. Like these two. One shopping for an Si who wants a real rear seat and comfort, space would not purchase a 86. And one who just would want a coupe would purchase the 86 as it’s more sporty. Miata vs 86 is a better comparison. But none the less this was fun to see. But what I give you credit and why I love your show… the banter between you too, corny jokes… knowledge and just fun all around. Keep it up guys. Love your stuff!!

[@t.k.morris]

My dilemma is that while I enjoy having a back seat for practicality, I also much prefer a RWD car. I prefer a naturally aspirated motor also. Manual transmission is a must for me. I am unsure which of these two cars would be more reliable to own? Other than a drag race, which one is more enjoyable as an everyday driver? And lastly, If I am willing to buy a turbo sedan, How about the new Elantra N ??

[@one8s7n]

The gr86 is beautiful. Nice design on it

[@jdmguy14]

Thank Subaru.

[@midnightquest9758]

Like a mini Supra .

[@jdmguy14]

@@midnightquest9758 not even close

[@TheG60528XiJinPing]

@@jdmguy14 like different in everyway

[@Aaron-fb6mb]

@@jdmguy14 Toyota and subaru

[@8Kyofu8]

Very entertaining to watch! Loved this comparison (even if we all know straight line speed isnt what either of these cars are about). They are actually the 2 cars I'm cross shopping at the moment, I used to have a 14 Si and loved it. I was a little disappointed to hear that peak power on the new Si was even lower than my 9th gen Si, but all the glowing reviews about the shifter keep this car on my shortlist. On the other hand the GR86 sounds like such a special car, and since it'll likely be my last ICE car that I'll keep for an insanely long time itd be nice to have something little more special than a Civic. If I had the money Id probably dump it on the upcoming Type-R but thats a little too much of a stretch haha.

[@chrisdaxer3984]

I’m 2 months into my 11th gen and put ~5,000 miles so far (college student so road trips) and I LOVE it. I get ~34mpg if I drive it like a normal person and ~30 if I drive it hard. It’s not fast but way faster than average traffic. I never really liked the look of older civics but I think this new one is really clean and the interior is very premium. It’s a blast to drive feels just like a miata with back seats and w/ the LSD it really pulls out of corners. Would recommebd

[@Nateorade117]

i missed these drag races - cant wait for more!! great video gentleman

[@moca4783]

“The new Type-R will avenge it’s little Si brother” 🥲

[@dripgod5129]

The supra will avenge you 🥲 GR86 after the type R beats you

[@valentinedpg]

@@dripgod5129 the NSX will avenge its younger cousins.

[@moca4783]

@@valentinedpg Honda baby!!!! And doesn’t need no third party engine too :)

[@moca4783]

@@dripgod5129 no hate to toyota tho…

[@ili.qfiddy]

Been waiting for this one 🤙🏽

[@riseabove3082]

You know I really enjoy the both of your personalities. Such a joy to watch. You both are very likable people. Then ending was just hilarious. Thank you for testing both of these together.

[@michaelbusch5610]

they make the si heavier every generation and haven’t increased the hp since 06 and torque since 2013

[@stubbingtonmarigold3032]

Wait till they give it the mr2 treatment and gut it’s power and tell you it an improvement ( because they want it to fail so they can stop making it)

[@darkenergon6655]

@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 why would they want to stop making it?

[@benedictl6716]

@@darkenergon6655 too small of a market perhaps..

[@TheFK8Life]

lmfao meanwhile in reality this 200hp engine makes 200-205whp aka 230ish hp Please research before trying to talk about stuff you dont know the details of The 06 to 11 Si made 175-180ish whp ....the 2017s made 190-195whp and the 22s make 200-205whp

[@benedictl6716]

@@TheFK8Life yet they all have around the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. How about that, huh? Stop believing those tuning companies and their fake secret 230 hp dyno claims. They're not reflected or backed up by real life results whatsoever.

[@OneNation_SpeakTruth]

Need a full comparison. Been waiting for this fwd vs rwd for years! Thanks for a drag at least

[@milesfathi]

Well what I've learned from 3 months of GR86 ownership is that 60 percent of its noise and harshness come from the PS4 tires. Change them to anything else, and you have a much quieter, more comfortable ride. The other thing I've learned is that I can't stop driving it. It's just so much fun zipping around town.

[@pvtcmyers87]

I hear ya my man. I got my Mazda Miata and I think the only other car I’d want is a Subaru BRZ.

[@milesfathi]

@@pvtcmyers87 Which generation of Miata? I was cross shopping with the ND2. I think both are special in their own way. The BRZ twins are a bit more serious and race car like, while the miata takes itself less seriously and focuses on fun alone.

[@SPEEDYNOOB]

@@milesfathi the nd2 rf is the best car for 30k fr

[@benhill2454]

The GR86 was finally launched today in the UK and I’ve ordered one. (manual transmission). I must now cancel the GR Yaris order now as I can’t afford both! What MPG are you getting from the GR86?

[@milesfathi]

@@benhill2454 Well live next to some really good twisty roads here in Canada and generally drive like a mad man. So my fuel economy is pretty bad. I get around 9 liter per 100km which is around 26 mpg.

[@sshah2545]

You guys are the best car reviewers on KZbin. By far the most entertaining, real enthusiast reviewers

[@danielz8186]

I genuinely enjoyed this review/drag race, honestly felt like i was there

[@mn240s14]

Every time I hear James go, "And I'm James!" I think about that old South Park episode about Pip that had Malcolm McDowell open with "And I'm a British person."

[@krasnaludek298]

The GR86 is a solid car … great design & handling at the price point.

[@manuelcastrejon5571]

Glad to see more affordable yet still sporty and fun to drive cars like these on your channel. Would love to see more like these, would like to see the 9th gen 3.5l v6 manual accord coupe vs others of its range. Please 🙏

[@robertalicea5585]

There a good daily plenty of power

[@hoodieboy1515]

FR!!! The last accord V6 touring

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

Apparently, with the bigger Subaru engine it now has enough power to beat the Honda Civic Si. The old model could not do that, and it means that Subaru/Toyota listened to their customers and gave it a bigger engine the second time around. Backs up what the magazines have been saying - this car is substantially better than the first generation and it is a real sports car now.

[@jdmguy14]

They didn't quite listen. They settled in the middle.

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

@@jdmguy14 For its price point ($30,000) there is little out there that is faster. Want more performance, get a more expensive ($50,000) car!

[@jpizel1070]

@@Buc_Stops_Here WRX is faster and it's about the same price even though I think it looks hideous.

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

@@jpizel1070 True, unfortunately, that body cladding that many dislike is that new thing in the industry. Mazda has it now on the new CX-50 (not a competitor, but you get the idea).

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@Buc_Stops_Here There’s plenty of cars faster for under $40k. Mustang Ecoboost Camaro V6 Elantra N Golf GTI WRX Midsize sedans with upgraded powertrains. What there isn’t is a cheap lightweight sports car with a turbo.

[@itzblacknred]

Thomas when he wins a race: 😀😊😁😎🤗😌 Thomas when he loses a race: 😦😧😲🤪😡😠 James when he wins/loses a race: 😃🇬🇧😃🇬🇧😃🇬🇧

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Not every day you see NA beat turbocharged. That redline does work!

[@djsson7544]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO DO THIS I LOVE YOU GUYS

[@KarzKreated]

From my understanding, the Civic is a good car but is limited in stock form. Minor bolt ons and a tune completely changes the car. With that said, I'm honestly really surprised how much quicker the GR86 is. I did not expect that much of a difference!

[@thrashingjustin]

All factory turbo cars you mean

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

Literally every car.

[@drivescene6747]

I remember when the SI was quicker than the 86

[@wayward03]

I'd assume if you wanted to keep your car running for more than say 30k miles a mild tune and simple parts would be the limit. At which point the added 50whp would catch and slowly pass the GR86. Would still probably lose on that track.

[@billwilson4859]

Great video. Loving the content. You guys are very entertaining, and very funny. Keep up the good work.

[@deejayimm]

I have a tuned Fiesta ST and I freaking love it. But I've been so tempted by the gr86 and the Veloster N lately... I feel like it's difficult to say no to the extra power and sound of the N, but it's also difficult to say no to rear wheel drive and the looks of that gr86...

[@gottagofest1610]

I had a Fiesta ST and tuned Focus ST. I was thinking the same with the GR 86 and N but, what do ya think about the Corrola GR?

[@deejayimm]

@@gottagofest1610 I love it but it's going to be a limited production vehicle. The circuit edition, which is the vehicle that everyone wants, is going to be an even more limited version of a limited production vehicle. I personally think it's going to be marked up to the freaking moon, so I haven't even been considering it. I wish Hyundai would bring the i20N over here but that probably will never happen. Toyota will definitely never bring the gr Yaris over here. So to me, it seems like it's either Veloster N or gr86.

[@gottagofest1610]

@@deejayimm Yup could not agree more. I'ma wait up and save for the Corrola GR. Hopefully mark ups and production get better in two or 3 years... Good luck to you too.

[@Juvahh]

Guys, don’t miss on the opportunity of buying a naturally-aspirated, manual & RWD car. That’s a freaking awesome package that is very rare and going to be even more difficult to find, and a bargain at Civic Si’s prices. The Veloster is nice but nothing more than your usual, everyday little FWD turbo car, just like everything else and much less fun to live with and, especially, to drive fast.

[@deejayimm]

@@Juvahh see everybody I talk to says it is an extremely fun car to drive, and its quick af. The new gr86 premium is for second slower around Virginia International Raceway than the 2019 veloster n. The other thing to remember is that the Hyundai comes with 3 times the warranty. There's also the Practical aspect of if I buy the gr86, I'll probably have to keep my Fiesta also because I sometimes need the haul things, and yes there's a lot more space in the back of a Fiesta ST than the gr86. If I get the N, theres 17k I can put down, because my six-year-old Fiesta is now worth 3 grand less than it was when I bought it new... insane. But really I don't want to get rid of my Fiesta, it's such a fun car.... I just feel like I need to get something else before the government gets their EV wet dream.

[@CT37BN]

I'd go for the Civic ( and be content ) but will be so jealous for GR86/BRZ owners. Honestly 2 fantastic cars.

[@89ayobami]

Toyota GR86 for me anyway. What a great improvement

[@TheWombatCredenza]

I still love being told that I’m watching TH!

[@Schmago]

Have you guys thought about doing the U-drag thing? It’s informative and looks like fun!

[@StinkySundae]

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[@FRFM00]

After driving newer Si and sitting in the BRZ 86 etc... These cars are actual gems... So simple, so fun to drive. May treat myself to a new Si in a couple years! Glad to see they brought back my 2012 Si sunburst orange paint job!!!

[@christianservin7635]

As a Honda fan and current 21 FK8 owner and previous 17 Si owner I’m glad the new Si is getting bested by the competition, Honda get back to the drawing boards again. Great video💯🔥

[@thrashingjustin]

The si hasnt changed much. Actually its been going downhill

[@nate1971]

Same. 21 ctr here too. I just cannot get behind this generation of civic. Yes it has the better-ish interior, but I couldn’t be more bored with the exterior.

[@Swapp_Shop]

Thank you for doing this I have been looking for a video like this for a while

[@alexresendiz5139]

The gr Corolla vs the civic type r would be a nice match up !!

[@leolopez626]

If the GR Yaris is anything to base it off the Corolla would dust it off the line but the Type R would eventually reel it in 😂

[@jimgurganious6642]

​@@leolopez626 If the hp of the GR Corolla is also underrated they may be pretty evenly matched.

[@DenisKudlik]

there are going to be people with a garage of GR86, GR Yaris, GR Corolla and GR Supra all as manuals. I wouldn't mind being those people

[@stevend3753]

Honda take note: This is what happens when you ADD more power and not TAKE it away.

[@keithjackson4985]

Lol 😆 lol 😆 hilarious. I'm a total Honda guy. But that was funny.

[@ahmadsair1584]

The new SI may have less power but it has more torque and power available through the rev range...I might be wrong but that's what I know

[@stubbingtonmarigold3032]

Honda doesn’t care. Honda is on a mission, a mission to pump out as many boring ass cars as they can.

[@keithjackson4985]

@@ahmadsair1584 Seriously man! I like Hondas, but it's obvious which car performs better. We own two Si's. Their fun. If I where looking now though, the Si would not be on my list. Others are doing some things much better.

[@keithjackson4985]

@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 lol 😆 hilarious.

[@jgoncal13]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for !

[@josephpupino6632]

I think you guys should do shootout between the last of the naturally aspirated Civic Si and the current one, I bet the old one is faster in the speed trials.

[@doc4165]

2MILLION SUBS COMING - Congrats guys!

[@NoGames0891]

Would love a track Battle!

[@manuelalejandrojimenezgome632]

This!.

[@gregp.7148]

Almost there! Very close to 2 million subscribers!👍

[@zerotoux]

So weird finally seeing the 86 beating anything in a straight line 😻

[@Luis92fer]

Thank you for leaving the car specs on the screen long enough for me to put my drink down and take a screen shot 👍

[@BlackenedBullet]

I'd love to see the Type-R against the 4cyl supra. Should be similar in price, but still quite different cars.

[@GetOffMyLog]

Ooo yes good idea

[@Руснакъ]

Unfortunately new type-r is probably gonna be almost the same hp and the same performance.

[@Brickleton]

Great vid! Good job guys!

[@aroundomaha]

I kept waiting for you to run them around Willow... that would be interesting.

[@Frankies_YT]

I think a 2022 Toyota GR86 vs 2022 Volkswagen GLI will be a great match up. Both are priced fairly about the same and identical in horsepower. So far, I have not found a video on KZbin yet. I hope to see that comparisons on your channel first. Keep up the great content guys!

[@JDoggStudios]

GLI will SMASH these junkers

[@jasonblair4057]

The gap was much larger than I expected. But the Honda has 4drs as a consolation.

[@HandlewithcareVibes]

= more hoes

[@Evolution10X]

And much larger back seat for those with a family. 😂

[@marjanmihelcic7238]

Great video guys

[@matts.6789]

2022 wrx would be a good 3 way

[@Evolution10X]

Nooo. I think the wrx launch (awd) and more power means easy win in qtr

[@bert50]

Creativity is a kingdom and you are kings.

[@GerardoLopez-xy1fy]

They should try the Corolla GR vs Civic Type R when it comes out, that’ll be cool

[@3man659]

They definitely will, seeing that the GR Corolla is Toyota’s (long awaited) answer to the Civic Type R

[@leobustamante7436]

@@3man659 You can add the STI to the list lol

[@driveri1435]

Already have the gr yaris vs type r. Nothing new there

[@Philbyyyy]

Americans are 18 months late. Check the GR Yaris VS Type R videos. I suspect the Corolla to perform slightly less than the Yaris

[@3man659]

@@Philbyyyy I mean, considering we in NA didn’t get the GR Yaris, seeing the GR Corolla vs Type R would be a better comparison. They’re both also direct competitors (Corolla vs Civic) so we could get better info on how they perform against each other and how practical they are to live with etc…

[@SupraSav]

About to step into a GR86 tomorrow, having just sold my heavily modified '08 335i. I too, am learning to be humble. Civic SIs used to be pylons on the highway, now I'll have to ask nicely just to pass one. Many years later, history repeats itself again.. Although still expensive for their class, Honda and Toyota are offering the cheapest most fun vehicles in their segments.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

How do you like it?

[@johnz8112]

Super disappointed you guys didn't do a lap in each ride and get the times and try to best each other!

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

Yeah, total tease when he said he did a hot lap in the Si in his closing thoughts. I'm sure there were filming/insurance/track limitations why they didn't give us lap times of both vehicles like they sometimes do at their Toronto "home track." But kind of a bummer.

[@amgguy4319]

Thomas really should be in Drag each time they race. It's only fitting. A true Drag race.

[@atmartens]

A fun race to watch, but makes sense for the GR86 to win. The weight advantage is huge.

[@princesskenny7222]

James: @1:14 It takes a brave man to take on an Englishman Thomas McHolland: Laughs in Scottish

[@ChrisHondaProductions]

You guys are awesome!! Great vid can you run the si against the 86 but with a hondata tune for the si and see where we are at ? Would be a great run I believe

[@Unfinished_sentenc]

Thank you very much! Liked, subscribed and shared. My absolute favorite KZbin channel by far.

[@Portabil0]

The ultimate drag race :D

[@ThePedalDance]

Ordered that exact spec GR86. Can’t wait to get my hands on it. My BRZ was the most fun car I’ve ever owned. Will miss the MK7.5 Golf R 6MT but I miss lightweight, RWD, NA, sports car even more. Super excited for GR Corolla. GR has me hooked:)

[@TheTopher]

Glad to see you getting back in a twin!

[@xFlared]

@@TheTopher I’m waiting for another BRZ video from you.

[@stevenyia2778]

Lifestyle inflation at its finest 😏

[@itsjasonshi]

The new gr86 with the facelift really grew on me after a while. Looks more refined and tamed compared to the first gen. The civic si definitely has more tuning potential but out of the box the gr86 is a great car! Nice work. 😃

[@jdmguy14]

Its a subaru.

[@jarjarbinks6018]

@@jdmguy14 Spearheaded by Toyota engineers with a body designed by Toyota using a Toyota transmission and Toyota fuel injectors. There is a lot of Subaru _and_ Toyota in this car which isn’t surprising. The whole story behind this car was that Toyota engineers grabbed a Subaru Legacy to use it’s low center of gravity engine, extensively modified it, and then presented the car to Subaru to convince them to collaborate with Toyota to create a unique sports car. It’s a Toyota and Subaru endeavor

[@alexandrefauchon7755]

Dude I love those drag race

[@MidnightAspec]

The GR86 is the budget sports coupe that the modern day Civic Si or Prelude should have been.

[@TheFK8Life]

The Type R demolishes the GR86

[@akashswarnkar8486]

one thing most forget is that 86 behaving so good while stock, thanks to 2.5 block. its going to be an mind blowing thing with some turbo+tune and an exhaust. might even kill an 5.0gt

[@zinny999]

2.4 ltr to be precise.

[@danielgillrup9518]

Moral of the story, put the Si even further down the list than it already should have been.

[@shivamarya5225]

But people like the new si, it got really good reviews by almost car reviewer including these two, even more than the gli, it loses to a similarly priced rwd coupe in a straight line, but it is also a lot more practical than a rwd coupe, the old si was not tho, its handling was more, civic with more horsepower rather than type r with less power

[@redemissarium]

This channel and savagegeese literally the best car review channel

[@goatweedwillie5349]

would love a GR86 but man are they hard to find

[@anthonyporcu2261]

Been waiting to see this great choice for a video

[@farafz3798]

great video as always! Unrelated question: what's the exhaust system for the GR86?

[@mantisushi]

Stock most likely

[@Trendyflute]

the Greighty-six. Dig it. Rock on boys.

[@deathbysockpuppets]

This just makes me that more excited for my GR86 to arrive! 🥰

[@gsxr1189]

They could do a video drag racing the Power Wheels Barbie Jeep against the Power Wheels Corvette and it would be just as entertaining as watching these.

[@brokentradgedy]

ur not getting one

[@deathbysockpuppets]

Okay.

[@ActNasty5]

@@deathbysockpuppets grats bro. I went from last gen 86 to 3.0 supra but this gr86 is honestly sick!

[@deathbysockpuppets]

Thanks man! Supra 3.0 is sweet and easily a superior car to the GR86. I might have pursued one if they made it in MT. With the way the auto industry is going I felt the need to pull the trigger and buy me a 86 before everything is electric. 😒. This might be the last solely combustion engine car I buy 😭

[@timothycoyne5874]

I just bought a new refreshed 2025 Civic Si a couple weeks ago. That was after I heavily considered buying a new GR86 over the summer, and which I test drove a few times. I ended up with the Si because it was the better choice for a daily driver for me. Cheaper to buy (compared to the GR86 Premium, which is what I would have bought), cheaper to run due to much better fuel economy (which is a big difference when you're driving 20k+ miles per year like me), and far more practical being a sedan with a usable rear seat and a good sized trunk. It helps that Honda added heated seats, the fully digital gauge cluster and shift lights, and made improvements to the chassis and ride quality. And despite not being fast, it's quick enough for me. The Si has a better, more forgiving ride, and doesn't feel as small nor as dark inside as the GR86, due to the Honda having more and larger windows and a moonroof. Body roll is minimal, as is understeer. I also went with the Si because I like using my car for trips with my wife, as opposed to taking her SUV, which I hate driving. Two other reasons, though they weren't huge factors, were the factory stereo and FWD vs. RWD. Say what you will about Bose speakers, but they sound immensely better than the factory system in the GR86. The GR86 has a very noisy cabin, and the factory speakers are not going to overcome that and still sound good. I didn't want to buy the Toyota and immediately have to upgrade its speakers. I would rather have a RWD car (or AWD but rear-wheel biased) than a FWD car. But with the Toyota I'd have had to buy a set of winter wheels and tires, and swap them for the OEMs a couple times annually, which is what I did with my ND1 Miata for 4 years. Doable, of course, but it's nice not to have to do that. Nothing replicates the feeling of RWD, but the Si's suspension does a nice job for a FWD car in my opinion. All that being said, the GR86 is still a great sports car for a daily driver. Its NA boxer engine is a treat and it looks amazing. I'm sure I'd have been happy with it had I bought one. The Si was just the better choice for me.

[@MatrixDiscovery]

$33k is budget????

[@coreyadam6667]

The average price for a new car right now in the US is over $47k so sadly $33k is budget.

[@kevinnorris6558]

@@coreyadam6667 Furthermore, the average price of a used car in America is $27k I believe. Insane

[@jjchockey]

Yup. New vehicles are for the rich now. Or poor people who are dumb with their money.

[@oemj7147]

@@jjchockey I'm afraid that's totally inaccurate.

[@jjchockey]

@@oemj7147 how is that inaccurate? The Average price of a new car is 47k and the average income is 31k. Someone who lives on an average income can not afford a new car unless they are very stupid with their money. If you make 95k a year you are considered the top 20% of income. That will give you enough money to comfortably afford a new vehicle payment.

[@wanglee21]

Type R VS Corolla GR, that battle should be epic!

[@TwistedSXS]

GR86 looks and sounds way better. Sharp car.

[@newzealanddeeksealant4369]

This is the exact video I was waiting to see

[@mawaboutcars671]

Hand-on-heart, this isn’t supposed to be a joke, but I genuinely thought you were drag-racing the GR86 against the ACCORD SI. As someone who works on EF-gen Civic track cars, why do Honda have an Accord anymore? really?

[@gtasanandreascluckinbell]

There is no accord si in north america anyways

[@IReahpZz]

Accord 2.0t.... nuff said 😂

[@rusack7174]

For one thing, the Accord is a larger car.

[@ARCNA442]

@@IReahpZz The funny thing is that the Accord 2.0 posted identical 0-60 and quarter mile numbers as the GR86 in Car and Driver's testing.

[@Dirty-D]

Lmao I feel like I was watching a slow mo race.

[@rinbine2713]

Winner is Golf R or Elantra N

[@jjchockey]

Unless you want a legitimate sports car. As good as they are they will never be a lightweight dedicated RWD sports car.

[@richardledesma1675]

Both of these cars are absolutely beautiful in their own ways especially in the California desert! Props Toyota/Subaru and Honda for these two

[@HondaProJason]

I watched and well….not my favorite vid of yours but I’ll wait for the Type R VS the World 😊

[@entertained...]

the result was not a surprise at all, but i think you can't go wrong with either - "better" really just depends on whether you want to haul stuff or you want a more traditional sports car experience.

[@dadhats]

toyota underreported those numbers for the gr, they're getting around 215whp on most dynos from what I've seen 👀

[@gsxr1189]

Where's the other 2/3rd's of the power?

[@beexiong2995]

Total newbs dont know a thing about drivetrain loss lol

[@Nick-sx6jm]

Still slow as dirt. Fine as a cheap economy car but if your "sporty" car can be beat by a stock base level truck its not sporty or quick.

[@tinapham202]

@@Nick-sx6jm curious what base level truck? A Raptors supercab does 5.2 sec 0-60 but that’s not base level.

[@tinapham202]

@@gsxr1189 wydm by 2/3rd? The car is listed at 228hp at the crank, it’s dynoed at 215hp at the wheel. Rwd has 15% drivetrain loss so the car should actually be around 247hp at the crank

[@anijp9275]

Good vid guys like always keep it up.

[@michaelmuhammed6049]

Nice content 💯 but living this life requires some high level of constant income

[@michaelhughes6058]

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[@chloecampbell7122]

@@michaelhughes6058 You are right, the market is profiting if you are using a really good broker or account manager

[@murphygriffin9695]

Please I need someone to help me trade or invest, I've blown my account twice and it's frustrating.

[@chloecampbell7122]

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[@mikeambrose9922]

@@chloecampbell7122 Wow you really know expert Isabella.? I'm a living testimony

[@RMAN-rz4xw]

So cool that that’s my buddies GR. Couldn’t believe the group chat when he said you messaged him

[@austenfairbanks5604]

Honestly i didn't even know much about the gr86. All I kept hearing about is the new civic si and I gotta say before watching the race so far I'd rather buy the Toyota. Rwd with only 2 doors, and a more minimalistic 90s style is more of my thing. Welp and its even faster😅. Just watched the race as I was typing.

[@harrybuhse8622]

The interior is my favourite part. It's the perfect modern take on a classic 90s design.

[@hitenmitsurugi3225]

Now we need a GR86 vs 2023 Type R