2022 Mid-Season F1 Driver Rankings (20-1)

We look back at our ABCDEF1 driver rankings from the season so far to see who made the top ten and most importantly who is in the number 1 spot.
Elgato is the official sponsor of this podcast and are our official streaming partner, to find out more about Elgato visit their website here: e.lga.to/WTF1
SUBSCRIBE to WTF1 bit.ly/WTF1Subscribe
JOIN Team WTF1 www.wtf1.com/teamwtf1
---- Follow WTF1 ----
On Twitter: / wtf1official
On TikTok: / wtf1official
On Instagram: / wtf1official
On Facebook: / wtf1official
On our website: www.wtf1.com
---- Music provided by ----
Epidemic Sound
www.epidemicsound.com

[@TommoOnYoutube]

OOH GOOD LUCK IN THE COMMENTS BOYS! 🍿

[@jorgemartinchampion2024]

Loved the video you did for the 2010 abu darbi just finished it 👍

[@kkkkkkk140]

Loved Ur new vid.

[@nguyenquocduy4729]

🍿🍿🍿

[@Kessoku]

wen collab?

[@PozzaPizz]

Your comments about Ocon are spot on. The Hungary race was just disgusting

[@Fresta93]

I think you also should give the teams a rating while doing ABCDEF1. (Car, set-up, strategy, pitstops etc.)

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

Setup is still a driver thing but ye

[@abhaynambiar1537]

Ferrari P10 confirmed

[@Fresta93]

@@ehrlichgesagt863 Ye you right, can be both tbh

[@mishavmurdoch]

@@abhaynambiar1537 there are going to have to use other letters to grade Ferrari

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

@@abhaynambiar1537 they will fight will Mclaren how nice to have that duel back!

[@Ceece20]

I’m here to see what stage of grief Matt is at in this video. I want to say acceptance, but I suspect anger.

[@pranc236]

Yes op, the walls we cant see are torn off. Its rage anger! 😂

[@grayaj23]

I believe he's at the Ice Cream stage.

[@DawidSikora]

39:08 Alpine is not challenging McLaren for P4, Alpine is challenging Norris

[@achintya3061]

Lol, if not for 2 DNFs for Alonso and 1 DNF for Ocon when all three occations both the drivers were in points + Add Alonso bad luck and Both Ocon and Alonso have started P20 2 times each , Alpine should have been way ahead . Mclaren are even lucky to be contesting for P4

[@Portocala69]

Ocon is challenging Norris then

[@versiable8041]

Alpine should be 50 points clear at least of McLaren if not for Alonso’s bad luck. In reality it’s actually Norris vs Alonso’s Reliability.

[@urmom3046]

Lmao

[@joserico8449]

@@achintya3061 did you forget that McLaren has only 1 driver? Like It is actually a joke that Alpine is not 4th being 2v1.

[@ms_0642]

Watching Matt while Tom is counting all the races Leclerc would have won is just amazing entertainment

[@Jonathan-mj1oe]

Timestamp? 😂

[@rubenvg7308]

@@Jonathan-mj1oe 1:06:16

[@zonyy5414]

@@Jonathan-mj1oe 1:06:00

[@rosek7114]

Could have won*

[@AugmentedGravity]

F

[@xXxjayceexXx]

I really appreciate you guys giving us content during the break.

[@pancon5]

I'm enjoying Max's perfection and Charles' speed this year, a little refreshing that Mercedes started from behind, hopefully Max, Charles (if Ferrari allows it!) and Lewis (and George, Carlos and Checo) will have some nice battles in the 2nd half!

[@Allblue1]

Charles might be fighting the others. New floor regs in spa

[@pancon5]

@@Allblue1 I'm very curious as to how they'll affect the top 3 teams.

[@gold9994]

I hope George and Lewis get a win this season. Probably in a wet race. Look at how good the mercedes is at low temperature track. In sunny condition, I doubt it will happen.

[@xfreja]

ferrari better allow it. they need to stop screwing charles over

[@awesomefacematt]

I will keep saying it because it's insane. Max with a working car has finished on the podium EVERY race going back to Turkey 2020. If you skip that one race it goes back to Mexico 2019. Every race on the podium wtf!

[@pancon5]

He's a machine. 🤖

[@GMMephisto]

@@pancon5 He's an alien. Hes a manfish from planet plutark. Just look at his mounth.

[@xfreja]

what? no 💀 he finished 7th in silverstone this year

[@xfreja]

and 9th in hungary in 2021

[@gagegr]

@@xfreja he said working car. In the cases you mentioned there was damage.

[@frederickthorne2496]

Matt really saves this podcast by getting straight to the point, staying on topic, speaking clearly, and not endlessly stammering.

[@unthenner5519]

I've never seen anybody belabour the point like Tommy 😂. Ever since Matt stopped interrupting him these podcasts have become twice as long.

[@robertrogier8110]

Honestly, Latifi is in 21st, just behind Hulkenburg and The Hulk only drove 2 races this year. If you look at the official F1 driver standings, Nico is listed. He has 0 points, but Latifi has the same 0 points. It's perfectly fair to list him in your list to call attention to just had bad Latifi has been this year. You don't discount Vettel's ranking because he's only been in 8 of the 10 races, so why not add The Hulk?

[@V1nn798]

You know the standings were updated a long while ago right? Latifi is ahead of Hulkenburg.

[@lore-lv2yo]

They forgot

[@RobertLewis85]

Why not add drivers who participated in FP1 sessions too?

[@maximejulian9570]

Did hulkenberg toped fp3 ???

[@malnfc8565]

13 races but yeah

[@proffesionalretard]

I think Vettel has had some really good races tbh, he’s had a lot of bad luck and strategy calls have been crap.

[@anderstangandreasen2887]

Same with kevin

[@proffesionalretard]

@@anderstangandreasen2887 ye Kevin has been really good but he’s also made some big mistakes- most of which were self inflicted

agree, Seb was pretty ok, he is somewhere 11th to 13th

[@soundscape26]

He did but I think 11th serves him well.

[@retsam001]

Maybe next year along side the drivers could add a rating for the teams - based on strategy, pit stops , tyre selection for the weekend reliability or whatever parameters you like

[@Ministry_of_Truth_Officer04]

Let's be honest Matt would give Ferrari a 20th out of 10 for all the times they had screwed Leclerc's and Sainz's races. Honestly I think it's a good idea and they should add it for sure.

[@willjackson6522]

Norris has been very impressive this year. Essentially no mistakes, impressive race craft and has (unfortunately) embarrassed Ricciardo in the same car.

[@menglei2527]

Matt, Tom and Katy, Thank u all for keeping a record of all drivers' rankings! The rating system might not be the most rigorous one, but certainly the optimal reflection of the driver's overall performance and the most unbiased ranking I've seen so far. Hell of a job guys! Pls keep tracking the drivers' performance till end of the season~👏👏👏 Just luving it

[@Nitrox-.]

I've made an accumulated "WTF1 Audience Ranking" from the ABCDEF1 votes. 1. Verstappen 2. Leclerc 3. Russell ˄ 1 4. Hamilton ˅ 1 5. Perez 6. Sainz ˄ 1 7. Norris ˅ 1 8. Alonso 9. Bottas 10. Ocon 11. Vettel 12. Magnussen 13. Zhou ˄ 1 14. Albon ˅ 1 15. Gasly 16. Schumacher ˄ 3 17. Tsunoda 18. Ricciardo ˅ 2 19. Stroll ˅ 1 20. Latifi (tl;dr differences: RUS - HAM, SAI - NOR, ZHO - ALB swap places; MSC stonks; RIC dive; STR -1) Determining factor was which grade had the majority of votes but major tendecies were still considered.

[@mohammeded-dahbi7603]

It's always Mick

[@sanidhyagodiyal]

This feels much more accurate ngl 🙃

[@hakonb3420]

@@sanidhyagodiyal no

[@utkarshtyagi10]

@@hakonb3420 i would rank Albon over zhou but this seems much better tbf.

[@harshudaytalwar4152]

Gasly been better than albon and Zhou

[@MA-eq7kw]

How are people upset with Vettel 11th, ok maybe 12 with kmag up one more no lower surely. Also it’s interesting that bad luck is mentioned for Zhou and gasly but not for Vettel

[@unthenner5519]

Indeed, they're not taking into account bad luck when they're grading drivers each race, they're just invoking the bad luck element in either direction to back up their point whatever it is…

[@xEppy033x]

If Latifi has another year in F1, I'll be shocked.

[@yoeriw7099]

plz put in someone else, anyone else.

[@daniellehisaw376]

I don't think he should ever of made it. It sucks for the Canadians that bolth their drivers suck. I hope Logan Sargant replaces him.

[@chumpmu1]

Nice work guys!

[@billeib427]

Great show!!!!!!

[@ramakanthbaldawa4391]

That verstappen bit gave me chills! Man is in scary mode since 2021!

[@thanos7536]

Why is latifi p20?

[@spooked2104]

Right??? He should be p21! Below nico

[@thanos7536]

@@deeznoots6241 makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification

[@patricktho6546]

Because Nico Hülkenberg was left out

[@thanos7536]

@@patricktho6546 lies

[@Luis_insua21]

Checo has been dropping because the car is now being suited to Verstappen, even Helmut has accepted that Verstappen has grown due to the car suiting him more than Checo since te beginning of the season.

[@gmarz9611]

Yes, the car was built and completely suited Checo's style, so now they are bringing it a little bit more towards Max, Checo has majorly struggled. I think the car falsely buoyed his performance at the start of the season. He was super lucky to get the contract signed before his true form emerged.

[@f1drivermarket603]

Of all the mid-season grades, this is the best I have seen. Well done.

[@unthenner5519]

It's not really mid-season grades it's just the aggregation of the in-season grades.

[@timooryasen3540]

I think top 7 is spot on,alot may find it hard that sainz is 7th or maybe perez 5th,but if you think about sainz poor start or perez massive drop off in the 2nd half,it makes sense

[@LambdaHDvideo]

Nahh, perez and sainz being above fernando is ridiculous. Fernando has had 1 bad race, and was incredibly consistent in every other, with plenty of moments of brilliance Both sainz and perez had more than 1 bad weekends, and they barely had any standout moments

[@versa5864]

Both Mercedes drivers can prove that they're better than Leclerc, whilst some already admit/know it.

[@metro3313]

@@versa5864 Russell is not better than Leclerc my guy 😂😂😂

[@subhasgram]

For me lucky points/podiums must not be considered in rankings... Because of that only Mercedes drivers are so above.... Every RedBull/Ferrari/Others' issues caused benefits to Merc.... How that is considered as good/great driving skill??

[@versa5864]

@@metro3313 why not? At this point I'm conviced he is.

[@purple4395]

P1 and P20 seem so much different in a rating system like this. But sometimes its important to remember that even a Latifi is better than 99% of drivers out their. Its just crazy how different the top 1%

[@AugmentedGravity]

Their

[@masedi85]

Good day guys, do u think the new TD will have any effect on classifications going forward?

[@kkkkkkk140]

Where can I watch the podcast

[@areebsiddiqui758]

As a long time listener, Tommy really doesn't hide the fact that he hates Vettel.

[@MA-eq7kw]

He’s a very obvious Alonso fan

[@Yetabronz]

They hate Stroll. They give A’s to Vettel when he goes in the points but give B’s to Stroll. If you think he hates Vettel than he must despise Stroll’s guts, god damn that’s some bias

[@dansmith6909]

Hm. I've been pleasantly surprised with Zhou all season. Expected him to be a typical rookie but he hasn't been. Don't forget, this is his first season and his team-mate is a bit of a star. Zhou has been solid.

[@sickydoesmma8898]

Leclerc has lost 30 plus points due to his own errors. I feel like he shouldnt be p2 but its not awful. I feel max, hamilton, GR and leclerc imo in that order

[@purple4395]

I think the total points/rating should be a mix between all races and the last 5 viewed double. Momentum is something very real and you could see a clear fall or increase in performance for some driver

[@onlineghost9813]

You guys cant deny the BIAS towards your brithish drivers lmao

[@SuicidalLemonade]

Think norris got a little undervalued, he's "verstappening" ricciardo possibly out of f1, think he's been a top 5 driver overall.

[@stpbasss3773]

This is for this season, how can you put him above the six drivers at Ferrari, Merc and Reb Bull......you can't lol

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Verstappen Norris Russell LeClerc Perez

[@realMaverickBuckley]

@@stpbasss3773 Because its driver rankings. Not car rankings. If Albons getting consistent Q3s and P10s, in a Willy, HE should be top 3 in this list. Norris is smashing his teammate who is paid 3 times as much.

[@stpbasss3773]

@@realMaverickBuckley It doesn't matter if he's smashing his teammate, is he smashing Lewis, Perez, Max, Russell, Sainz and Leclerc? No he's not, they are ahead of him in points and have had better finishes this season therefore are ranked higher. This isn't a ranking of who's beating their teammate the most.

[@bjs7442]

@@stpbasss3773 It is you who are misunderstanding. It is who is performing the best as a driver, not the best driver car combo. Lando is ringing the neck of a poor designed car. Last year he was voted the third best driver on the grid but that wasnt where he was in the standings . It was recognition of the level of performance he was putting in.

[@not2sharpmd]

Just love Matty’s face when Tom is listing Verstappen’s combined grades from this and last year, like, “Must be nice to be happy.”

[@philippepequeur6890]

Tommy's first "hello" in this podcast was so non-chalant that it looked like he was an F1 driver! That's the kind of "hello" you would expect from the WTF1 founder. Noice!!

[@TheHidalgo99]

I know it's tough to give a driver in a bad car a good grade, but it's highly striking that all backmarker drivers are rated in the bottom half.

[@rlh4648]

Yeah i agree - and top drivers in great cars are ranked highly - this is very highly correlated with points - and Lewis in 3 after consistently being outperformed by George - and Charles after all the unforced errors in second ? Like maybe its the profile of some of these incidents and I'm blind to smaller teams having accidents but surely we need to control for team ranking

[@sentientspaghetti1898]

@@rlh4648 “consistently outperformed” 6-7 in races 6-7 in quali 6-5 podiums

[@rlh4648]

@@sentientspaghetti1898 Like I really wanna reach an agreement on this - so are you arguing Lewis is rightly higher ranked than George? Like George has more points and I would argue his performances have been more impressive

[@petertheawesome1]

@@rlh4648 yes I am arguing that the start of the season they were running experimental setups on his car making it shitty and ever since they stopped we’ve really seen his true pace some races having leading pace, can’t say the same about George

[@petertheawesome1]

@@rlh4648 not to mention the safety car luck George had at the start that prolly put him ahead of Lewis on 3 occasions when without the sc he would’ve been behind

[@weignerleigner3037]

Goatifi only last cus he’s a gentleman and wants to take the heat off the other drivers

[@enotdetcelfer]

Thinking about Tsunoda doing much better this season and then Tommy's point at 16:30 really makes you appreciate the season that much more. Great season so far and love having WTF1 to join in lieu of having friends that are into it xD

[@highgrade9]

Next podcast you should quickly run through what the audience average was and a brief comparison

[@JaneFokster]

On Sainz in Hungary: "He hasn't been shafted by strategy like Leclerc" Well... not in the same way, I would argue, but his race was definitely compromised by Ferrari too. Having re-watched that race a few times, I'm now convinced that Sainz' ridiculously slow first pit stop (with no apparent reason) was done on purpose by Ferrari, to switch both drivers on track, without giving team orders. Just before Sainz was told to box, Leclerc was on the radio asking to be let pass. I think this was Ferrari's solution to that problem. I'm quite neutral towards Ferrari and I don't have a specific preference for either Leclerc or Sainz, but unlike most, I often feel worse for Sainz than for Leclerc. Because he has had to deal with reliability problems and bad strategy the same way Charles has, but on top of that Carlos has had to suffer tricks by his own team to help his team mate, while publicly Ferrari maintains that they have no no. 1 and no. 2 driver. (Btw, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a no. 1 driver, but just be clear about it)

[@lore-lv2yo]

Sainz had almost the same strategy as Hamilton. The differece is that Hamilton had mediums for longer so he'd be faster on the softs at the end. Then in Silverstone Ferrari destroyed Leclerc's race by letting Sainz stay ahead of Leclerc even when Leclerc was 4 tenths a lap faster with a broken wing and especially after the safety car. Probably they decided to not let Leclerc in because if Sainz was in the same position as Leclerc he would've lost more positions at the restart. Then in Monaco Sainz was'nt screwed at all. It went the opposite way. The strategists panicked when Sainz was coming in for dry tyres with one pit stop less than Leclerc. And still at the end of the race Leclerc was 2 seconds behind Sainz having made one pit stop more than the top 3 drivers. I don't know what championship have you watched till now but from what I've seen Leclerc has been held back more than Sainz by Ferrari.

[@FullTimeGaming360]

I would also add that it appears from the outside Sainz is being difficult to work with on purpose because of how bad the strategy has been so he isn't listening to bad calls as often. Sainz instantly seems to shout back while Leclerc turns up to find out he is behind sainz waiting to pit and put on hards then complains.

[@JaneFokster]

@@lore-lv2yo Well, I guess in Charles' case I'm inclined to place some of the blame of the bad strategy calls on himself, because he never seems to question them. You could of course say he shouldn't HAVE to question them, but if it happens as often as with Ferrari, I would expect him to take matters more into his own hands. To me that's part of being a top driver. Carlos of course has been battling the Ferrari strategists on several occasions, with some success, and the way I see it that's the main reason why it looks like they've been screwing up Charles' races more often. They both have had bad calls, but Sainz has managed to correct at least some of them. As for Hungary and the comparison with Hamilton. We'll never know what would have been the outcome if Sainz' first pit stop hadn't been too early and much too slow and he had thus been allowed to stay ahead of Leclerc at that stage of the race. It's all speculation, but he definitely would have been faster on the softs in the end and might have ended up on the podium.

[@mennaselim9865]

in Hungary, Charles was about to overtake Sainz anyways because he was faster regardless of pitting Sainz to allow Charles to overtake or not. and tbh, throughout this part of the season, Charles was the better driver almost on all occasions and Sainz maybe is struggling a bit to be one with the car this year.

[@sniperkuzi4083]

@@JaneFokster This narrative is so weird imo. Carlos has battled his strategists many times just to end up listening to them anyway, like in France. He only overruled his strategists in Silverstone by not backing up. He listened to them in Monaco, the team already told him to not pit because Checo had already undercut him, he listened to them in Silverstone where he got to pit instead of Charles for some reason even though Charles was ahead, he listened to them in France and in Hungary. Another thing is that Charles actually questioned the pit calls in Silverstone and Hungary. He told Ferrari that he wanted to stay on the mediums for longer but his team overruled that and he wanted to pit in Silverstone but his team told him to stay out because they did not want to double stack.

[@iancullen8314]

Surely Alonso deserves AT LEAST two extra A*s for the sheer entertainment value of the AM bombshell and the Piastri (stirring of the pot,thriving off the Twitter storm and the big fat smirk we know he had on his face for days) contribution he has made to this year??? Or? Can these be a new factors added to the end of year end ranking?

[@vfrxsty1571]

This list is most accurate I've seen so far good job wtf1

[@shauna3865]

I’m ok with where Lewis is only because I know it was rough in the beginning. It was clear that his car was way worse than George’s car, and we know he was running a lot of tests. Now he gets to reap the benefits of those tests.

[@hifriend7581]

The people saying he should retire are absolutely blind. He still got so much fire in him as shown in Silverstone.

[@lucastavares81]

The same argument should be used for Perez

[@shauna3865]

@@lucastavares81 Perez is driving one of the fastest and most stable cars on the grid. IMO, Perez should not be coming 5th and 6th in races when Max is winning in the same car and the car doesn’t have issues like Merc. I fail to see how you came to this conclusion.

[@lucastavares81]

@@shauna3865 Perez since Canada is doing tests to improve the performance of Vertappen car so they can be relaxed about the championship. He didn't forget how to drive.

[@lucastavares81]

It's funny how some people think from one GP to another these professional drivers forget what they are doing and simple start underperforming for no reason.

[@willjackson6522]

People used to complain about Hamilton complaining all the time and bossing the team around but I never understood that because that is clearly a VERY important quality to have. Leclerc is very much taking a backseat to team strategy. He’s a phenomenal driver, but he needs to be more assertive with the team. That’s what wins championships, taking charge. I can guarantee that if Lewis was in Leclerc’s place, he would be doing significantly better, maybe even still in the lead. Experience and ability to understand when to command the team for your sake is a quality of champions.

[@markkadams44]

Bang on

[@andrenichols6274]

From a Hamilton fanboy, this is a surprisingly accurate ranking of the drivers. Good on you WTF1.

[@saiyerugara9038]

Solid rankings!!

[@Xike]

Wish you guys would go into more detail about some of the races and moments you reference. I can't always remember exactly what the "mistake in France" was for so-and-so driver and it would just take an extra second to explain and at the same time provide more imagery while filling in the blanks in my mind for some key moments I've forgotten about.

[@therealkinghimself]

Sainz had very poor strategy as well and reliability had been absolute shirt

[@kumaflamewar6524]

Ham had some pretty bad safety car luck early as well. He's just that higher level of driver and I think if Mercedes turns a corner this year those early experiments will have had a bit to do with it.

[@AlfonsoBurgoa]

You should make a ranking of the teams!!

[@NoahRail]

I must say you guys were pretty hard on Vettel. I understand looking at his race results from a piece of paper doesn't look great but when you realize that almost every race he qualifies ahead of his team mate but still p14-16 and then can still get a P6 in the 9th fastest car... Pretty damn good if you ask me.

[@bummbuller]

30:48 How can Magnussen got no "E" ? He busted his Frontwing 3 times (Cata, Canada and Hungary) costing Haas potential points.

[@n0tdanish521]

Hungary wasn't really his fault

[@danielduplessis9253]

defuq is Cata? 🤣 Qatar mate

[@Yambalaja]

@@danielduplessis9253 Catalonia

[@bummbuller]

@@danielduplessis9253 circuit de catalunya barcelona :)

[@bummbuller]

@@n0tdanish521 mmh i have to rewatch that one, if im wrong ok but still Barcelona and Montreal was just stupid of him. oh and dont get me wrong i think he deserved to be in that spott but he should at least get one E

[@johnsummitsecurity]

To be fair to Stroll you used the logic of he went from 18th to 10th but he shouldn't have been in 18th to begin with, while with seb being like wow he went from 17th to 9th he gets an A. Lance needs to be held to the same standards and while seb is obviously much better Lance should have A's for his 18th to P10's.

[@CurryXI]

Difference is, stroll only done that in 1 race ( France )

[@Racing4Fun05]

The difference is that he did it in two races whilst Seb has been doing that in every race he had participated except Melbourne , but still you cant take that away from Lance. Sidenote in those two races Seb got screwed up by AM not pitting him under Safety Car ( Canada letting him out on 45+ laps old tyres on p8 while everyone was on brand new softs and in France instead of double-stacking they let him do another lap costing him important time ). Coincidental ?

[@Yetabronz]

Stroll has been faster the last 6 or 7 races. He has been the most unlucky this year between them by far. He is 5-6 in races against a 4 time world Champion and he should’ve had at least 10 more points considered how unlucky he was in miami, Canada and Hungary. If it wasn’t for his poor qualifying this year he would’ve been easily in front of vettel

[@ELSTERLING]

@@Racing4Fun05 Aston Martin have 100% been sabotaging Seb to encourage him to leave and make Lance look better this year.

[@Racing4Fun05]

@@Yetabronz he hasn't been unlucky this season he has been careless . In Saudi Arabia he had a completely avoidable crash with Albon , in Australia he had a completely avoidable crash with Latifi in qualifying, in Miami he had a completely avoidable crash with K-mag , in Spain he had a completely avoidable crash with Tsunoda , in Baku he crashed twice in the walls cause the first time he didn't completely destroy the car , in Monaco he crashed IN THE FORMATION LAP all by his own

[@formula1980]

I agree with the list completely.

[@clickbait007]

Hamilton fanboy here. I think the ranking are pretty fair. Feel really bad for Leclerc, he's been so good, apart from one of two races. But if he really wants to get better he needs to drive his TEAM better, take more ownership of the strategy too. As for Verstappen, the man is on just another level! He's been absolutely phenomenal all season (and last season) - as Matt and Tom said , he never has an off day.

[@JaneFokster]

Definitely agree about Leclerc needing to take matters more into his own hands as far as the strategy is concerned. I appreciate that it's probably more difficult at Ferrari than some of the other teams, but I do think that this is where Charles has been lacking a bit.

[@minatovids1]

Latifi is 20th in most of the F1 driver ranking Mid season 2022.

[@maxou333]

ye obviously

[@roraldinho5017]

When seb finishes 10th in the Aston everyone is full on praise but when Stroll does it no one cares 🤣 36:09 ... they didnt say the same about stroll

[@moeez1211]

They said, yeah granted he’s come from P18 to P10 but what else has be done all season?

[@scooterelway9191]

stroll is the most hated driver on the grid if you consider his performances, he's really not the worst imo

[@moeez1211]

@@scooterelway9191 which is why he’s 18th and not 20th…

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

@@moeez1211 i mean seb start p16 lol like thats not that impressive either

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

Ye we saw it the last race week review they somehow gave Vettel a better grad even tho Stroll qualified better and was faster the hole race but got spun by ric. And even with that he was ahead of Vettel until the last 5 laps.....by that logic Russell is way better then Lewis but obviously its a double standard

[@sunburntrench]

I'd say i'm 80% on point with the ranking, imo Yuki's season been best than Ricciardo, based on what was expected from them in the begining of the season, so i'd swap their places. And the same goes for Zhou and Albon, but this one I feel could be because some sort of personal bias towards Zhou lol.

[@jasonmadinya7759]

zhou is so much more likable than albon imo

[@Potatotcg1]

Mick is still my favorite

[@AJFransen]

Hearing the possibility of a 100+ point difference between P1 and P2 at the end of the championship made me think. What is the current biggest point difference between P1 and P2 at the end of a championship? And is there a possibility that that record will be broken this year? I have been looking for that information, but I can’t find it. May be a good idea for a video.

[@uz.f1746]

Also if anyone thinks to make that video, please do it in a percentage format since the number of races per year are not consistent. Just an idea... edit: so is the number of points in the past. so it would not be fair to just take into consideration the exact number of points difference between 1st and 1nd.

[@kityhawk2000]

The biggest gap was 2013 Vettel finished 155 points ahead of Alonso in 2nd

[@AJFransen]

@@kityhawk2000 thank you

[@ELSTERLING]

@@kityhawk2000 IIRC that was 6 races in to his absolutely insane run of 9 wins in a row and tied Schumacher's record of 13 wins in a single year, arguably the two biggest records Hamilton hasn't been able to match. (In fact Lewis' longest winning streak is only 5, which is 2 fewer than Nico Rosberg. Not shaming the guy, he's incredible, but that's a strange one.) It's astonishing to think that after the summer break that year _every single race remaining_ was won by Seb.

[@kityhawk2000]

@@ELSTERLING well if this season keeps going the way it is it could end up being the second biggest gap. Ferrari actually seemed more of a threat in 2017 and 2018 IMO. There were large portions of those seasons where they looked like they could actually win the title but then they made some silly mistakes that lost them loads of points. I think there is something very wrong with the team culture at Ferrari. We keep seeing these talented drivers like Vettel and Leclerc showing so much promise and then not being able to realise it.

[@SIDYfe4r]

I understand having Mick below Magnussen (unlike what some people would say), but 19th? Come on... It's the first year he is against a proper team mate (even if he had Mag had 1 year off) and some performances even from the start of the year are being overlooked by his 2 massive shunts.

[@jonathandepue629]

Considering all the shunts at the start of the season, I think it's fair at the halfway mark. He could be higher by the end of the season

[@williamyawn2325]

Can we get the fan rankings on the next episode or on a news post to compare with your grades?

[@DanielGomez1808]

Here to see how a non bias grading haha! not gonna happen

[@shig.bitz.3205]

Max Verstappen is pretty untouchable at the moment, he has been incredible. Reminiscent of Hamilton, Vettel or Schumacher in their primes.

[@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

It's not that he's untouchable. We've seen that Leclerc has the speed to challenge him. But Ferrari is so incompetent that he doesn't have a chance.

[@shig.bitz.3205]

@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens That's part of what makes him untouchable at the moment, those with the pace to challenge him lack the consistency.

[@amirnicolai3830]

There is just no way you can be seriously considering putting Vettel around Gasly lmao, putting Lance around there by swapping him and Ricciardo around would have been much more realistic

[@hallamhal]

>Only driver other than Latifi to get an F >Bloody second place chaps! 👏👏

[@PsychoStreak]

Really need to do this for the teams. They've played a far bigger role in these rankings.

[@kirliefiguera8627]

1-Verstappen 2-Russell/Hamilton. 3-Hamilton/Russel. 4-Leclerc. 5-Alonso. 6-Norris. 7-Sainz. 8-Perez. 9-Ocon. 10-Bottas. ....

[@blaine319]

@CrispinBell hamilton was more unlucky than poor in the beginning of the season. he missed out on a few podiums at the start as well as some good top 5 finishes with stuff out of his control. really has only had two below average weekends in saudi and imola. George has been consistent, but hasn't seemed to have that speed as Leclerc or Hamilton imo. i'd def go Max, Hamilton, Leclerc, Russell. Max and Lewis are super close but Leclerc just a bit behind them imo.

[@areebsiddiqui758]

Perez should not be below Sainz.

[@brianolsen396]

Perez was faster than verstappen in Monaco because Perez binned it on max’s hot lap and spoiled qualifying.

[@patriciorivera762]

They counting the whole weekend. Checo was faster all weekend

[@Nugget_man7269]

@@patriciorivera762 on that final lap that max was doing he was one tenth faster in sector one than both checo and Perez. Max was on for 2nd. Dosent matter if your behind the whole weekend if you string it together in q3

[@williamyawn2325]

We need a summer break constructor abcdef1

[@hanszheng4875]

i cried abit on the inside when daniel came up at 16th :( spain without the s

[@joejasat]

but what if lando is just secretly the greatest driver in f1 and Danny ric is just doing alright

[@zsfekete5211]

So at 9:00 you are talking about Mick and how he didn't score points until Silverstone, which is fair enough, but a bit misleading, as he was 9 seconds off of Zhou, finishing 11th, and I still think that if Haas put him on a 3 stop, he could've finished in the points in the very first race of the season. He finished on 22 lap old softs, most people swapped off softs after 10-15 laps, he was a sitting duck on those tyres....

[@7BD273]

there are a lot of factors as always. wasn't he running in the points in miami too, when he took vettel out? unfortunately he didn't capitalize on the good car they have had at the beginning of the season

[@forzaf1gtaracingandmore824]

He also was running strong in Canada before the Ferrari power unit pulled a classic Ferrari power unit

[@blizzard6741]

I feel that Tom has a bias against Mick. I love Vettel, and I would say he is below Mick for the year. So too stroll. Tsunoda, ricciardo who have good cars have been terrible too.I would put Mick in the bottom 5 (he has made errors) but definitely not in the bottom two. Haas has screwed up his strategy so many times and made him lose points. How can you say Mick is 2nd last, but put his team mate who you are saying he should beat at 12th? Doesn’t make sense.

[@zsfekete5211]

​@@7BD273 That is not the same. Miami was his fault. He deserves "deducted points" or a "worse grade". The point I was making is that in Bahrain it's not that "he didn't capitalize on the good car they have had", it's that he was literally the only driver who was on a 2stop strategy. The average age at which people swapped off of soft was 14, Mick had 22 lap old ones at the end. How was he supposed to defend against Zhou? It's literally the same as Ferrari putting Leclerc on hard in hungary. Was that leclerc fault? Did he "fail to capitalize"? Or was it team strategy fail?

[@zsfekete5211]

@@forzaf1gtaracingandmore824 Sure, but that's a later race, and the point the WTF guys were making is that Mick should've scored points early. Which he almost did, Bahrain was the first race and his race was partially ruined by haas strategy (Mick was the literally only driver on a 2 stopper, finishing on very old softs). Mick "potentially" losing places due to team tyre strategy: Mick's fault Leclerc "potentially" losing places due to team tyre strategy: Ferrari's fault

[@Iammarcus4444]

Would like to see this for f2

[@citedcanvas85]

Agreed on Gasly. Super Pierre has not been so super this year

[@j_oliveira4442]

Stroll in front of Mick???

[@annantjeetsingh8018]

Vettel in P11 , bro see his races , apart from his car pace (which he can't decide cause Aston Martin sucks) , he has done absolutely incredible

[@vrccb]

Having adored your podcasts forever, I am seriously going to fall out with you about the Sainz ranking. Below Norris? What??

[@georgeretsides4293]

He put it in the gravel in Australia

[@vrccb]

@@georgeretsides4293 Lewis put it in the gravel in Austria this year, yet finished high in the rankings here, so your observation makes no sense whatsoever.

[@ISwearDownOnMeNansGrave]

Honestly I agree for majority expect I would flip Vettel with Kmag and Ocon with Valterri.

[@Gullbrand_]

How did Schumacher not get a A* in Silverstone?

[@tobiaslumplecker7666]

K-mag had better pace and he had a bad quali

[@voorth]

Because in the end he could not overtake Max?

[@Gullbrand_]

@@voorth yeah because Max almost drove into Mick multiple times on the closing laps!!

[@voorth]

@@Gullbrand_ I think Mick was not prepared for the kind of defensive driving the top guys(VER, HAM, LEC) are willing to do... I find it interesting to hear him complain during the race, but afterwards have him say he quite enjoyed the fight. Amazing what a bit of reflection can do for you...

[@Gullbrand_]

@@voorth now that you say it, it’s true I think you right he don’t see the defense come and Max probably knew he could easily defend against a inexperienced driver…

[@mohammedbinmahfooz7718]

The part on Ocon being dirty was absolutely spot on. This guy defends like crazy ony when his teammates are behind him (or when unlapping himself 🤪)

[@williamyawn2325]

Bottas has also had some bad luck with the Ferrari engine as well. Zhou and Bottas would be higher by a couple spots each if their car could finish races

[@yerrie1908]

Drivers are part of the strategy

[@MrStoyan5]

No rating for Hulk 😔

[@soundscape26]

Just 2 races... not representative.

[@fballcoach447]

It's always interesting to me how everyone knows the car makes a majority of the difference but yet peoples driver ratings always reflect the car rankings as well. Like the best cars drivers are always rated at the top and the worst cars drivers are always rated at the bottom. You could honestly move one of the bottom 5 drivers to Red Bull or Ferrari next season and everyone would be ranking them in the top 5.

[@sudazima]

best drivers also float to the top teams..

[@davidmccourt6139]

If you aggregate teammate scores, how does this line up with your predictions for which team will have the strongest driver lineups?

[@jwal2]

That Riccardo one hurts.

[@furiousdzn3004]

Russell should be 2nd in my opinion, he's so incredibly consistent he still hasn't finished outside the top 5, he's at a new team and in front of his 7 time world champion teammate even with an extra DNF and Russell managed a pole as the only non Ferrari or Red Bull driver. I think if he was in a Red Bull instead of Perez he would be fighting with Verstappen because they are one of the fastest and most consistent drivers on the grid

[@TheRational1inTheRoom]

That's the thing. He HAS finished outside the top 5. At Silverstone when he collected another car

[@furiousdzn3004]

@@TheRational1inTheRoom but he didn’t finish, a DNF literally means ‘Did Not Finish’

[@hunter_t18]

@@furiousdzn3004 not anything to do with the Russell thing, but I’ve had the DNF debate before. The term DNF doesn’t make sense at all. If you start something you either finish it or you return later to finish it. So in this case Russell is put down as a DNF but he in fact started the race and is not going back to finish it later which means yes, he did finish the race he just finished it early. Anyways whatever

[@furiousdzn3004]

@@hunter_t18 Okay if you put it like that maybe the term should be DNC, Did Not Complete, which is more straightforward because you didn’t complete the race

[@saytam_ar]

@@furiousdzn3004 Yes he did not finish... But whose fault was it? His very own... he caused that crash...

[@Faye_01712]

All I want is Verstappen to wrap up the championship in Mexico with a P2 and a Perez win 🙏

[@StevenQ74]

Japan would be nice as well

[@tuttutteddy8889]

@@StevenQ74 or brazil (where it should end)

[@Fgjmnz]

Mexican fans would go wild with that one haha

[@xXTheGamer09Xx]

Just two good race for Schumacher its wrong: -Bahreïn : in point start of the race but hit by Ocon (possible damage) -Australia: better pace in quali and in race, finish front of Magnussen -Miami: better pace in race compare to Magnussen fight for point but make mistake. -Spain: first Q3, P6 end of first lap but bad strategy of Haas cost maybe point. -Canada: P6 in wet quali, In point during the race but should retire for engine problem -Silverstone and Austria: score point. You say that because when he shows it on TV it was for hes two Big crash or is two race where he's score point you, don't look when he's not shows on TV...

[@noomade]

wheel knowledge!

[@jbaidley]

I'd have put Tsunoda and Stroll above Ricciardo. The smiling Aussie's season has been just that shit.

[@ThEgamingGINJ]

Yea people haven’t noticed tsunodas improvement since the car is a bit of a dog

[@justice4g]

thanks to his team/car/strategy and a bunch of issues, it isn't all down to his driving

[@ronanpearse6255]

Schumacher 19th is actually shocking

[@jasonmadinya7759]

its really hard to argue against this, for me I would put norris 5, alonso 6, perez 7 and sainz 8. perez for me has just not been close enough to verstappen except for a few races. he's been very solid and consistent so i can see why he's fifth, but for me there's been too many races where he was a non factor for the win in the best car/team combo. Sainz has been too inconsisent. maybe i''m too harsh on them for being in the two fastest cars tho.

[@zarararararara]

i think perez deserves his p5. at the start of the season he was nearly on par with verstappen. i believe red bulls upgrades have been changing the car slightly to suit verstappen’s style, which is different to perez, which is partially to blame for the form drop

[@hk6099]

My chart ranking, grades & points matches except: 1. Tsunoda & Stroll - ur rank 17 & 18 respectively. Mine is opposite. 2. Tsunoda got a C in Monaco which u said he hasn't any. 2. Stroll - ur rank 18, mine 17

[@shig.bitz.3205]

Also for me Leclerc v Hamilton is closer... Just hear me out! Leclerc for sure has been faster, but he has arguably the fastest car. Yes, Ferrari themselves are to blame for most of the point deficit, but the mistakes he's made have been huge. LH has made less mistakes and arguably out driven his car in certain races. Definitely hard to call as we expect so much of both drivers but the failings of Ferrari and Merc (in different areas) make it hard to compare them both imo What does everyone else think?

[@OK-fi4yq]

charles has consistently been on the pace where lewis, however, has not

[@shig.bitz.3205]

@@OK-fi4yq Charles has the fastest car on the grid, just being on the pace is the minimum expected. Yes, there has been bad Ferrari strategy and unreliability but Leclerc has also made some pretty big mistakes where LH hasn't. LH has arguably out driven his car at points and hasn't made mistakes on the same level as Leclerc has. In my mind LH and GR are doing surprisingly well considering Mercs slow start whereas Leclerc is not as close to Max as he should be partly due to his own mistakes, making it tricky to place him. I'd maybe put him in between LH and GR.

[@numbnut257]

Ricardo without question should have been 18th !!

[@jupekz6147]

38:20 Huge W

[@andreecelis2093]

Thanks for not over/under rating Mick just bc of the last name

[@InfinteIdeas]

Vettel disrespect TBH, he has driven well many times