2022 Middleweight Sportsbike Shootout | Aprilia RS660 vs Yamaha R7 vs Honda CBR650R track/road | MCN

[@zero11010]

Thanks for being the first people to admit that dropping from 120+HP to about 70HP and keeping the same terrible feeling seating position was a bad idea.

[@jordanjoestar8839]

For street riding the R7 is much better. Makes nearly 20tq more at 6,000rpm. You can't always rev to the moon in town for power, and it fills that spot perfectly. It's also only 0.1 seconds slower to 60mph than the R6. Granted, they should've kept the R6 as well. It's not a replacement, but it fills a spot the R6 didn't fill very well.

[@FadilKarim]

Yeah it literally makes no sense. If you're going to be in that cramped position, you might as well enjoy the extra power of a 600cc supersport. The whole point of this class is to make a bike that's more enjoyable (aka upright) on the roads.

[@zero11010]

@@jordanjoestar8839 I’ve had an R6 for the last 10 years. I have commuted on it into a major city. I ride on awesome canyon roads and coastal Northern California roads. I run it to redline all the time. I keep hearing people talk about how it’s hard to keep the bike in rev range. I disagree. I have no problem staying above 10k RPM when I’m having fun on it. The problem I have with the R6 is that it’s uncomfortable for more than an hour and it’s torture riding 2 up on a mountain with even a tiny passenger adding weight on your back as you slow or ride downhill, or heaven help you …. Slow while riding downhill. The R7 seems just as uncomfortable, and has half the power. To be fair, I also drive a high revving car and have no problems keeping that in high range either. So, maybe I’m just practiced at it. You downshift …. It’s not magic. You just downshift. You keep yourself in a good RPM range when you slow. Heel toe driving or rev matching the throttle on the bike as you downshift …. No big deal.

[@beanwithbaconmegarocket]

They'll probably make the same mistake with the R9: give it R1 erogs but have around 110 hp. I think all people want is an MT09 SP with plastic.

[@Mockle07]

@@jordanjoestar8839 No, it’s still under-powered on the road. If someone has only ever ridden low powered bikes or only rides around town/city then fine (though why you’d chose to torture yourself with the R7’s riding position to do that I don’t know) but on any decent road it’s just far too under-powered. It’s aimed at learners and commuters who want a bike that looks like a proper sports bike but is easy to ride and doesn’t scare them, which is absolutely fine, but let’s not pretend it’s a proper sports bike.

[@grahamfalcon4825]

19 plate CBR 650R used everyday,all year round. 20k miles,never missed a beat and still looks like new. Honda dealer network too 👍🏻

[@grahamfalcon4825]

Another great video and review, thanks MCN

[@pummyy]

youll never go wrong with a honda

[@mike_2366]

Simply the best of the 3 :)

[@2wheelsonly614]

Slow

[@NA-nc5dg]

Does it have a slipper clutch?

[@beanwithbaconmegarocket]

As soon as I sat on the R7 I thought "oh great so I have the wristy discomfort of an R6 but none of the power or suspension or brakes." Riding a demo bike confirmed this.

[@TheInfantry98]

That’s cuz your old weak and boring

[@ktkace]

Same here

[@roelfkromhout]

Pretty much lol

[@markcuban9936]

I think that Yamaha would have been better off putting fairings, new rearsets, clip-ons on the MT-09 SP and making the R9. Might be a little too cheeky for the track, but you get all the low-end without losing the top-end.

[@08ChrisMC]

@@markcuban9936 I'm fully expecting to see the R9 at EICMA. Possibly the ZX4R as well.

[@remsangachhakchhuak1738]

Between these 3 I'd pick the Aprilia rs660 but I really like that 4cylinder honda, because a 4cylinder revving is very beautiful.

[@ianwarren]

And effective even on unrestricted Autobahns. Cruising at well over a 100 mph all day isn’t a problem!

[@brianpreval5602]

a lot cheaper than the aprillia as well

[@smarwickoutdoors7993]

And the aprilia rear shock is bad that's why it's been changed out . Honda would have scored better if the rs was running standard!

[@jcwaka76]

I own a 2019 Honda CBR650R. I felt the same about the engine lacking low-end grunt and wanting a bit more sound so I got a Akropovic titanium exhaust - baffle removed, a Dynojet Power Commander, and a tune. It now makes about 100 HP and a bit more torque down low too. It’s still not as punchy as my 2018 Yamaha MT-07 (also with an Akropovic, PC, and tune - now makes about 80 HP) but it’s got enough low-end to be usable on the street and it’s a much better highway bike than the Yamaha. The Yamaha wins around town and in giggle-factor.

[@bretsimpson9890]

Tied a mt09 didn’t like it. Dont like look of mt 10. Saying that the 22 model is a bit slicker But I’m a Yamaha guy. Am going to go back and get the 2010 r1 with the cross plane and just keep it forever

[@Yagerbombs83]

I've also heard changing the sprocket in the front to have 1 less tooth will also add a lot of torque down low, or at least make it more available down low. I really want the cbr650r as a nice commuter bike that I can also just have fun on. Seems with an exhaust and a tune, it hits that no problem.

[@santiagojaramillo9887]

Im Planning on dynojet tuning my cbr650r, have u had any problems after doing it? And how do u feel thé torque ( im comin from a mt 09, didn’t like the sensation of the mt)

[@badassbiker78]

Done shade over 1150 miles on my rs660 and confirm that it is a great bike for the road. I came down from an rsv4 expecting to be disappointed but so far I am enjoying swinging a leg over the RS. Its more comfortable, more forgiving, cheaper to run (averaging 67mpg) and the tech is phenomenal.

[@mala7794]

im considering buying a tuono V4 for when i get my A licence. i got A2 now and riding on a 600cc xj6. but im considering the tuono 660. is it really worth the extra to get a V4?

[@crimsonking6585]

@@mala7794 I've never rode the tuono 660 but I had the v4 factory for a couple years and it was the best bike I've ever rode. Absolutely amazing engine. If you love mid range torque it might be the best.

[@andrewg4412]

@@mala7794 give ya a hint, he sold his for a 660, i sold my 899 panigale for a 650r, you're better off ringing out smaller bikes xD

[@lhbeau1]

Dang, I’m getting like 45-50 mpg on my Tuono 660. Might have to look into that..

[@ProBroTheGreatBoo]

Ya, dreaming about a rs660 as next upgrade to my SV650 but whenever the two locals with their goddamn tuono 1100s ride by with that V4 sound I just wonder if half that engine will give the same hard-on response from my body :D

[@jhond4824]

I can definitely confirm that the RS 660 is comfortable enough for touring, I've just done the nc500 on it with my camping gear and panniers.

[@ianwarren]

I can confirm the Honda CBR650R is great for touring. After 2,700 miles chasing my son and his Ducati V4S to The Austrian alps and back via unrestricted Autobahns even loaded down with a fat 56 yo on his first big bike and 2 panniers and about 20KG of luggage it was brilliant fun, stable all the way up to max chat (148 MPH indicated) and beautiful around the twisty alpine roads. Even doing over 4 hrs per day and over 6 on one ot didn’t break me or leave me not rating to get on it the next day! If I had the extra £3,500 for a new RS660 over my 241 mile 6 month old Honda would I have one, possibly not as a 6ft overweight oldie I think the Honda is more comfortable on tour but will still do me a my first track day with my sons mate a MotoGP test rider!

[@Praveen_salim]

Hey Jhon, I've been wanting to do the NC500 too. Did you rent a bike or do you own the RS660?

[@jhond4824]

@@Praveen_salim it's my own RS 660, I went with a motech set up and givi ut805 tail bag. 👌🏼

[@Praveen_salim]

@@jhond4824 That's awesome man. Where did you ride from? Do you have any clue about bike rentals in Scotland?

[@thomaschilds8781]

@@ianwarren how do you find the stock seat Comfort wise?

[@cp4512]

Love the Honda CBR650R best of these bikes. Makes a fantastic road bike and great fun to play with those revs. Also much cheaper and more reliable than the Aprilia 💰

[@ianwarren]

The price is the big obstacle for the RS660. That’s a LOT more money than the Honda. Just shy of £2,000 more!

[@robertbernardday9935]

Yep agreed

[@hby7768]

I track a rsv4rf, i never had a problem with it. What are these reliability issues you are experiencing and with which Aprilia?

[@bernhardg6187]

im actually suprised the honda does 25km/l mixed average. and 35km/l at 60kmh cruising

[@sebastian8294]

sorry but the Honda is the most boring bike in comparison. No equipment and zero technology. In addition about 30 kg more weight.... When you sit on it, everything just looks simple and cheap. felt zero innovation

[@brayvdb2191]

That cbr looks absolutely stunning 😍

[@anthonyreed480]

Funny you say that, to me it's the ugliest of the 3, by far!

[@Chris-so6db]

@@anthonyreed480damn like that

[@IShadow__PT]

@@anthonyreed480 on god lmao

[@Sikkasfoo]

@@anthonyreed480🤡

[@Erelyes]

To me the R7 sits well below the old 600's. If Yamaha get around to making an R9 with the triple, and can finally invest in the brakes instead of parts-binning them, then they'll have a very special bike on the market.

[@gixxis3264]

🤣👋

[@beanwithbaconmegarocket]

Unless they make it as uncomfortable as an R1. People want a bike they can take on the road. That's why hypernakeds are so popular.

[@MyMednas]

If the R9 has 140hp and CBR650 erogs I'd have one. Sadly I think it will have the same power as a Tracer 9, not enough for a 900cc sports bike.

[@nth842]

@@alexmoja3042 only the kawi 636, duc 848 evo and daytona 765r made 120 whp. The r6 , ninja 600, gxsr600, all made 110-115 whp with the cbr600 being weakest in class at 105-110....... but this is more of an sv650 vs gxsr 600 comparison. The SV650s makes 70 just like the r7 the gxsr600 makes 110 just like the r6 the only difference is suzuki still sells the gxsr so peole dont confuse the fact there different classes of bikes.

[@sagarthapa3765]

Bro, I want a R9 now

[@drewiediggler1]

The first 100mph lap of the TT was done on a Gilera with 60 to 75bhp apparently. Many of the people I meet who claim 70bhp isn't enough, could not manage a 100mph lap of the TT. Even with 150hp at their disposal. Puts things in perspective a bit.

[@stevietrucker4631]

I've got the Honda cbr650r ive owned it just over 12 months now and it's been a fantastic bike and it's reasonably priced as well.

[@ianwarren]

6 months and 4,500 miles on mine including a tour of Europe and I’m loving every minute on the CBR650R. 👍

[@Knoxvillemoto]

I had a deposit on a cbr650r. After waiting several months I gave up and bought a rs660 instead. Unfortunate because the cbr sounds fantastic.

[@stevietrucker4631]

@@Knoxvillemoto i was told by a staff member at my local Honda dealer that they are really struggling to get motorbikes into the country at the moment. Hope you are enjoying the Aprilia.

[@Khmersupra]

gotta also put in the maintence intervals where cbr is about 4000 more miles on valve checks , and spark plug s triple every three checks on the rs660 is two on the cbr and r7 is 26k interval but more spark plug replacement

[@2wheelsonly614]

Just slow...

[@szaesz8190]

Cbr650 just smiling there and shitting on all opinions and conpetition... Still the best looking, best sounding and ONLY middleweight bike I'de consider. Tamed under 5k, lets the ponies out above. Honda is the way to go, those viby paralel twins should be left for the tractors...sorry, I meant adv-s. 🤣 Nice review, keep it up!

[@linopontes]

What people want is something like an MT09 and Duke 890 derived supersports... That way you keep the power of 600s but usable on the road too and without the extreme clip-ons and pegs positions.

[@KimmyR3]

err... isn't that the MT09 and Duke890?

[@ZJQ23]

If youre talking about from purely a hp, top speed, and torque perspective of having those bikes fully faired theres a reason all the manufacturers are not making things like an R6 anymore. The in between market of people buying liters and hitting tracks and people wanting something fun for the street that can also do a track day here and there (nakeds you named and these 600s). I don't see companies going back

[@linopontes]

@@KimmyR3 Unfortunately, not everyone can have a road bike + a track weapon so people go with what gives them the best compromise. A powerful and comfortable bike for the road that can perform on a track (supernaked) . But you can't deny, fairings make bikes look better and perform better (aerodynamics/ wind deflection).

[@KimmyR3]

@@linopontes you can have a comfortable (upright) super naked with 200HP, but you will almost always prefer the supersport on a track. and likewise, you can have a fast supersport on the road, but you'll prefer the super naked on average. You don't even need the power on the road. they're polar opposites, there's no bike that's ideal for both. yes you can take nakeds on the track but the ergonomics are off for track riding that even the smaller R3s and Ninja 400s are better.

[@linopontes]

@@KimmyR3 yes I have heard that too. Still, if they want to sell it in big numbers I suggest they make it into a sports tourer or a special limited edition track weapon similar to what KTM did with the 8RC (supersport with the 890 engine).

[@nockianlifter661]

Honda/Dull Yup. It runs through all their vehicles. It will do every thing faultlessly, be ultra reliable, survive some neglect, but for some reason they always feel like appliances.

[@tomasjanostak789]

Absolutely love my cbr650r. Great all around bike. Ive put close to 9k on mine.

[@mineblock9024]

Whilst I'm always disappointed if Neevesy isn't the main presenter, I think Dan's presenting skills are really coming on and I this is his best video to date - he's developing a natural style and this was a good quality review 👍

[@mayhemmeme2907]

And he has the uncanny ability to make these tiny bikes look big.

[@acermahoney5463]

His voice does my head in

[@MalagutiF12Phantom1]

I can’t Even listen to this kid

[@chug4083]

Hard to take him seriously when he sounds like a 9 year old

[@Fee.1]

@@acermahoney5463 play him at .75x

[@ozzyg82]

I’d go, overall: 1 Honda, 2 Aprilia, 3: Yamaha

[@sebastian8294]

Why Honda place 1??? zero features, bad sound, 215kg, when you sit on it everything looks cheap. Honda is heavy and only engine + frame. She felt zero innovation. No Tempomant, no mapping, no adjustable chassis, nothing. For me Honda place 3!

[@christosswc]

@@sebastian8294 If sound is that important to you then you're gonna put an exhaust on it. And with an exhaust this engine sound is out of the world. And it's primarily a road bike so all the other don't matter, only raise cost.

[@14489]

@@sebastian8294 The sound of the Aprilia sucks, sounds like a cheap vtwin bike, sportbikes should be 4 cylinder screaming monsters. but fanboys are really impressed by the overhyped and overpriced parallel twins .... 600rr, gsxr600, and r6, are miles better

[@sebastian8294]

@@14489 i have for 6 Years a R6. In compare to RS660 it is the last Trash on the Street!!! You have only power in the first gear... in second gear you are far outside the legality. These bikes are for the track only. They are the last piece of trash on the country road. At the corner exit there is no torque and zero power if you don't always drive in 1st gear. I am significantly more agile and faster on country roads with the RS660. R6 only has an advantage on racetracks and speeds over 150kmh. The sound of the Aprilia's airbox is great, if you had driven it you would know it. It also rotates up to 11500RPM.

[@Lupos-F]

yeah. i actually loved the 90s' 600 power delivery. very 2 strokeys. you had a silent and fuel efficient commuter up to 5000, and if you wanted power just drop two gears, at 8000 you had a screaming missile. like having two bikes in one. anyway, the thing i really really want back from the old days is a larger tail: these skinny folding-seat styled saddles are not enough to even keep papers, emergency tyre sealer, and a disc locker. it's not that i want a SUV load capacity, but c'mon...

[@bretsimpson9890]

I kind of agree and my wife would agree more so

[@Krom1hell]

I remember that time when my grandfather and father were riding 250 cc bikes that had 50+ horsepowers and they were screaming like you were going mach 2 :)...... For people that love that era, a 600 that doesn't blow your mind is a bit disapponting ...... Not that most of us will ride the wheels of the new bikes, but there is a feeling that they lack compared to the old ones that just gave you a thrill that you will not get with the new ones.

[@edge929]

When you can only get to the 5-hour-away track a few times a year but still want to look like a racer, this is the segment you look at. Comfortable on the road and still amazing on the track. The twins give you the low-end you want on the street. The Aprilia is a Cadillac compared to the R6. Liter bikes are just not practical for the streets anymore.

[@nranieli]

Can’t help but wonder what am I getting out of a new r7 that I couldn’t get out of an older sv650s for less than half the price?

[@FeiraxIS350]

SV650 is always the answer. 😜

[@Worther12]

I just recently got a SV650S and love it. It even has a boot like my old GSXR750..😎😉👍

[@DHKarol]

looks

[@Valks-22]

I've got a '19 CBR650R nearing 30k kilometers, just done a two-up summer tour of 2000km in two weeks. Daily it throughout the year and am absolutely in love. It perfectly ok comfort-wise having done 8hr ride days, agile for the city, and I don't know why or where I'd need more power and it's not killing you to insure, register, and service.

[@ajaxsid9034]

People complaint about it torque. Is it that bad? What are your thoughts?

[@Valks-22]

@@ajaxsid9034 no issues, it kicks in for real around 4,5-6k depending on gear. In that range it screams all the way to 12 and you'll be doing 160kph in 3rd gear before you brain figures out the complication if you're spotted by cops. You can also ride it very smoothly and quietly in the city/calm roads around 2-3k, it won't explode but it will pull and it makes it work for commuting. It's a bit twitchy on really low rpm 1st and 2nd but nothing horrible like liter bikes. Tl;dr if you find an empty straight and want to have fun - drop a gear, twist it for all its got and just enjoy the spectacle you won't be dissapointed. The really strong torque starts to drop off around 110-120mph in higher gears - and this is in no way a street/non-track issue but if you're looking for something to track extensively then Aprilia would probably top it (or a dedicated 600cc supersport)

[@ajaxsid9034]

@@Valks-22 thanks for the reply m8

[@Rempai420]

People hating on the ergos and power on the R7 are the same people who buy a 1000 and only go fast in straight lines. In the UK it’s almost impossible to open up bikes for long before you hit a blind bend or some kind of gravel patch/pot hole. The R7 fills the gap in the market for people who want a dedicated racing position on a bike you can really ring out on the road. The R7 still goes 0-60 in around 3.5/4 seconds and gets to 132mph. Why would you need more? Edit: I just saw the lap times and the Yamaha coming in only 3 seconds slower despite having 30 less HP than the Aprilia shows that it’s also a fantastic track bike as it’s clearly kept up in one area or the other despite having less power.

[@irfantakazumi]

in MotoGP, 3 sec difference is between 1st and 24th man for the same category 😂

[@Rempai420]

@@irfantakazumi A professional race with skilled riders. All competitions are done with the “same” power bike. So the Aprillia wouldn’t race the R7.

[@irfantakazumi]

@@Rempai420 The point is, for the bike that should be to replace the R6, it’s disappointed. Feels like Yamaha should have name the R7 something else, everyone knows that R in Yamaha family means “fast!” for their own class. Example like Yamaha XJ6

[@Rempai420]

@@irfantakazumi Yeah like the R125 and R3. How dare the R7 not be the R6. The thing that it wasn’t made to replace. How dare the R7 be a super sporty fun to ride around town bike. Silly Yamaha.

[@irfantakazumi]

@@Rempai420 Bro! do you even know about 1999 Yamaha YZF-R7? It produce around 106hp! This's why all Yamaha fans are disappointed about. The new R7 got the same name from previous one but lacks a lot of power LOL. I'm not a HP dude but this's unacceptable.

[@csposir]

Fantastic job of presenting the bikes. Great video. I’d have a Tuono 660 and love it. I think the Ohlins shock upgrade would be the icing on the cake.

[@elphabama]

Thanks for putting this video up guys I can see all the work you and the team have put into it. The three bikes that you have chosen for the video are absolutely perfect I’m a great fan of a middleweight sports bike, keep the videos coming I love watching the MCN vids that you guys put up.

[@johncosta8538]

I hummed and hawwwed for almost a year between the CBR and the RS 660 but eventually went with the Aprila and I love it regularly doing 4 to 6 hour rides without discomfort and it sounds beautiful.

[@bluemindmaverickpeace2281]

best decision

[@Cam_Wight]

Still loving it? trying to decide

[@ChasingTenths]

flipping heck, who has been editing your videos lately , smashed it!

[@MrAdambinnie]

Lost it at "hello there" from MCN's Obi Wan Keneevesy. Epic video - more from Dan please.

[@shadowred1980]

Great content. Question if you have a sec, what laptime did the rsv4 do around the same track ? Thank you.

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

For comparison the RSV4 did a 1:06:03 around the same track.

[@Showmetheevidence-]

@@motorcyclenewsdotcom Maybe a nice idea to post this kind of thing in other vids as it gives a sort of reference point for the sportiness of a bike :)

[@ianwarren]

Only 4 seconds slower with only half the engine and probably half the price! And much easier to ride. Impressive. Even the Honda a 1:12 and the Yamaha at 1:13 are good bang for the Buck! And less tiring.​@@motorcyclenewsdotcom

[@jesse68569]

@@ianwarren Wel.. 'only 4 seconds'. It is actually quite a big difference per lap especially on such a short track. But still very impressive from the rs660!

[@tuyenhoang5546]

@@ianwarren i think the track is small and tight, which not an ideal for big heavier rsv4

[@franklynneil1379]

The CBR650R is the best one here, especially with its super smooth and sweet sounding 4 cylinder : )

[@daimennorthfield4511]

Finally a no hype review with anything with a cp2 engine in it ,I fell for the hype on a new mt07 a few years back, very disappointing after the reviews boring engine crap handling suspension brakes and build quality

[@turkishexpress]

I think the idea behind the R7 was to make a cheap sportsbike, that would become excellent with a little bit of money and a lot of aftermarket parts which we all end up doing anyway lol

[@glsracer]

I really like the RS660, but for my money I'd have the CBR650R. There's something about the way I fit on it and other Honda sportbikes that I don't get with Yamaha or Aprilia. I'm about 6'2" and I even fit well enough on a CBR1000RR that with a couple mods, I could use it for touring.

[@BigDonkMongo]

Yep! Have this same experience, no idea why but the ergos on Hondas (except the later gen CBR'RRs) just work for me. Bought a 19' CBR650R, threw bags on it, it's great! Make sure to budget for better tyres, but comfortable for long rides & through twisties & more than enough power

[@RichardSShepherd]

Yes - I am 6'4" and had the previous model CBR650f and it was comfortable. I tried a test ride on the RS660 and while it was great fun to ride, it was just too small and cramped for me.

[@TeslasSecret]

Great review. Nice to see some less familiar faces on the channel as well. The Aprilia however, didn't look as well made as the pictures might suggest in the metal. Very pretty, and extremely compact. Still, the problem is always the same with Aprillias : I have only one local dealer and they were so obnoxious I didn't bother getting a test ride. I knew that the probability of having an issue was perhaps higher than with most other brands, and I didn't want to have to deal with these folks if/when it happened. Sad really.

[@Eldergloom]

The CBR650r with a fender eliminator would look so beautiful. What an awesome bike.

[@tonebonetones]

The Honda for the finish and a proper engine. Parallel twins are fine for 250's, but sports 600's need a nice smooth four. Note, these two likely lads do not mention money. In fact, few professional reviewers do. They get their bikes for free for at least a year, and hence do not have the grounding of 'reality', unlike the rest of us. For the price of the Aprilia, it bloody well should be the better bike!

[@roessalaar]

Totally agree. To basically any normal consumer buying a bike in this category the price is a major consideration. In my country the Aprilia can't really be considered a competitor to the CBR or the R7, simply because of the price difference.

[@ianwarren]

RS660 is about £1,900 more than the Honda so your spot on in needs to be a lot better to justify it. Given the conclusion that what that money went on (electronics and less than 10 BHP) weren’t really any use on the road means it’s not really justified when you figure that in!

[@ThermicLight]

@@ianwarren - This is why there ought to be different electronic packages for bikes. Namely a basic package with TC and ABS. While anyone that wants more can *choose* to pay for it.

[@cjhockett4308]

@@ianwarren That’s not what the development money was spent on, though. Aprilia put the whole bike together custom. It was built from the ground up with original R&D. Hell, they used the RS660’s electronics package in the rsv4 they spent so much time on it. The frame is one piece with the engine being a stressed member. The other two are built on a budget using recycled parts.

[@eskemeldgaardkrogh4145]

Here in Denmark, the CBR and R7 is pretty much the same price… the RS660 is €3200 more! I agree that it’s a competition of two - with a nice bike that’s 20% more along for the show.

[@kleinbottled79]

These bikes are right up my alley, and yet none of them really grab me. Maybe the CBR if I needed one bike to do it all. Seems like a good all rounder. R7 is a little over priced for what it is (USA pricing). Aprilia too high tech and too Italian.

[@sandersho4008]

If I didn't have to worry about maintenance costs, parts availability, and potential downtime due to repairs, then I'd go for the Aprilia. Reliability is just too big of a concern with the Italian.

[@blazingwheels7293]

Honda-engine sounds too good👍 Aprilia-Fast Yamaha-looks of the bike is great.

[@ragerider6283]

Great review. Nice to see we've still got some sporty middleweights that are quite practical too. Hopefully the other manufacturers will get in on the act soon as well. Rumours that Kawasaki have got something up their sleeve with a new ZX4 & Suzuki supposedly have a new faired & naked parallel twin engined SV replacement coming out in the next 12 months. Also talk of a mass produced KTM RC890 & maybe Triumph will get in on the act too with a Trident RS or something. A very interesting resurgence of the middleweight category imo.

[@tranquilmind8487]

Dont forget the Yamaha R9 likely coming out soon too with the MT09 engine although this isnt middleweight

[@ragerider6283]

@@tranquilmind8487 Yes good point, I forgot about that, a very interesting proposition. Crazy to say but in today's market it is kind of a middleweight but I know what you mean, it could be a real beast.

[@kleinbottled79]

Is there really anything more than rumors on the R9 yet? Stoked for that bike to happen. ZX4R was slightly more than rumors already I thought. They registered a vehicle code for it with some entity here in the US? Can't decide which one is cooler, love both concepts..

[@dcptiv]

@@kleinbottled79 The zx4 is revealed but not released yet. You might be thinking of the zx25r that has only been released in a few countries in 2019

[@ragerider6283]

@@kleinbottled79 Yes true, the Yamaha, Suzuki & KTM are unconfirmed rumours, the Kawasaki ZX4 is definitely happening & the Triumph is just speculation on my part. The question mark over the Kawasaki is which countries it will be released in. It looks 50/50 for Europe at the moment but should be fine for pretty much everywhere else apparently.

[@sleavesley]

The thundercat offered a great balance for commuting and fun/sports. Had one but had the dreaded 2nd gear failure.

[@bretsimpson9890]

I inherited a thunder ace. Was Awsum Burnt more oil than fule

[@bk83082]

Is the ZX6R not on sale in the UK? In the US, it's $1000 cheaper than the Aprilia and that's where the middleweight twin supersport loses me. I love the idea of this class of motorcycle, but I love it at $8k, not $11k.

[@gamekeeper687]

Nope, none of the 600 super sports are sold here anymore except the R6 but that’s not road legal& is track only.

[@tomlehecka5164]

Refreshing to get an honest opinion about the bikes. I remember the days when the magazines wouldn't say anything bad about a bike for fear of losing advertising. Great review - keep up the good work. How about comparing the RS660 and the RSV🤔

[@colonelclaw]

Superb production quality, well done!

[@subject8123]

Cb650r chiming in, the inline 4 in the Honda bliss, enough torque down low to zip around and plenty of headroom to open her up. Was interested in the Triumph Trident 660, but heard the ride by wire was quite muted. I was keen to try out the aprilia but my $2600 cheaper.

[@danieloconnell4225]

Brilliant overview; really liked the RS660, but ended up going with a 950S SuperSport from Ducati - same sort of idea, but a bit more polished and performance-oriented (especially when one considers the suspension). That said, the Ducati is a significant step up in price - I think most people would be better off with the RS660.

[@stanleyblazeraznik6047]

Both Ducati and Aprilia Quality suck. The Italians are all show and no go.

[@danieloconnell4225]

@@stanleyblazeraznik6047 uh... no? Ducati ever since they were bought out by the Germans a few years ago have gone way up in quality of build. Are they as reliable as a Honda? Nope - but they also don't look as plastic-y and they're a much finer finished machine.

[@milodebruin4821]

I am in the same place as you, want the RS but think the SSS would be better, so I am waiting to see if there is a R9 coming.

[@edge929]

I compared both of these bikes too and for the money I went with the RS 660.

[@sburns2421]

@@stanleyblazeraznik6047 If this craters resale of these two brands, allowing people like me to collect even more of them...by all means tell your friends to continue to post things such as this.

[@KimmyR3]

maybe factor in price, reliability, and post purchase experience next time?

[@odiewan67]

I love the sound of the RS600, reminds me of my old track-tool SV650.

[@voltronmccloud3310]

Wanted a cbr650 for a long time but none ever came in stock near me. Just went with a daytona 660 and I love it.

[@raymondwandell8880]

Aprilia doesn't have the reliability of the other ones. For street riders who keep bikes for 3+years that's a big deal.

[@stanleyblazeraznik6047]

Yep. Nailed it.

[@cp4512]

Especially as it’s more expensive to buy too.

[@ianwarren]

Reviewer failed to mention when explaining what a lovely bike his RS660 long termer was didn’t mention the reliability (oil leaks) issues he had!

[@raymondwandell8880]

It's more the electronics I'm worried about. But yes, you don't see oil leaks on a 40 Year old Honda very much.

[@tonygiovanni7598]

Bought the 650r 22 mod last month and must say I’m surprised. I took it to Italy from Norway the first day I bought it, about 2400km. It performs well in all areas and it’s a good all around bike.

[@BRYAN536]

whats the fuel mileage you got?

[@tonygiovanni7598]

@@BRYAN536 5-5.5 liters/100km

[@barryholden5774]

As an Aprilia owner (Tuono V4) this result makes me happy. I really don't understand why there are not more on the road, they are cracking bikes. Good video guys 😀

[@stanleyblazeraznik6047]

Because the Aprilia dealer network is lacking and bikes are plagued with issues. Buy a Honda and be happy.

[@NB-kh5jf]

Even tho I love Italian bikes, both Aprilia and Ducati, their reliability is not the best out there, also the price of RS 660 is 4 grand higher at least in my country, that is not a small diference, heart says Aprilia, but my brain and wallet say Honda, so I'm planing to go with CBR650R next spring.

[@lovelessissimo]

because Piaggio customer service is legendarily terrible.

[@barryholden5774]

I could be tempting fate but : this is my second Tuono and both have been faultless. We have dealers within an hour and i get treated really well.

[@22Epic]

@@stanleyblazeraznik6047 All brand new platform have issues. Also I guess your american, the dealer network ain't lacking everywhere mate. And in the end, if your bike has an issue, just get if fixed and use one of your other bikes in the meantime, not a big deal.

[@storyofakhi]

End of the day I find someone honest straightforward review based on some crucial priorities.. Great job mahn!

[@JPWest020]

It’s a bit puzzling to me. In the mid nineties Yamaha and Honda were spot on with their 600s (CBR600F and ThunderCat) Fun, useable, fast, well build, sporty but not wristy. Why not use those bikes as a blueprint for a modern 600? I’m sure there is still a market for bikes like that- back in the day they sold by the bucket loads.

[@andrewuk184]

Agree. I also think there is a market for the sector once occupied by the Firestorm, TL1000S, Aprilia Falco, etc.

[@hstefan]

600s are fun in a bubble. Try ridding it back to back with an MT09 with decent suspension or a 890 Duke R and you'll soon realize that revving to 15k just to be going somewhere gets boring real quick. Times have moved on. IMO I'm kinda happy inline 4s are no longer a thing and we're having all the fun with crossplane twins and triples. They are just THAT more fun.

[@JPWest020]

@@hstefan That is why I specifically pointed to the mid nineties. 600s then had about 100hp and topped out at 12000, but had enough midrange too. Kawasaki even went up a bit to 636cc I have a Mt09 and I still own (although it’s in bits and pieces right now - I’m restoring it) a ThunderCat. The later 600s, like all the 1000s, aren’t as practical and fun. IMO it started to go wrong with the R1 and R6 in the late nineties. Too focused on track only use.

[@JPWest020]

@@andrewuk184 Those twins were lovely!!!

[@MyMednas]

@@hstefan I totally disagree. I tried an MT09 and the torque is fun at first, wheelies all the time. But the drone of the engine and lack of top end soon outweighed that. I'd rather a lovely reving 4 cylinder.

[@BlackFlag94]

Best video you guys have done in a VERY long time.

[@jeffestrada6857]

Hi Dan good to see a fresh face with good presentation skills and what appears to be a fair test between these bikes. I am old school and with my height/weight/age have something a fair bit different being the 2019 Suzuki Katana and absolutely love it. However I reckon and agree the Aprilia would be a lovely second bike to hit the corners with 👍 Thanks again for the review 👍

[@VespertiliKildem]

I'm here after watching your ZX 400 review, because "a group test in Sicily last year" WHAT WERE YOU DOING IN SICILY? I had no idea people tested motorcycles in Sicily ahah The CBR is so beautiful, pure art.

[@siraff4461]

Remember when your top level sportbike was also a great commuter, tourer and all the rest? Early Fireblades spring to mind. Big seats, comfy ergo's, a boot, decent economy when you're being nice and prices which weren't into orbit - all while being very capable on track. There's a reason they used to be the best selling bikes. I hope thats where this class ends up. The RS is certainly headed in the right direction. I just hope we don't keep seeing lazy/cheap designs like the R7 which is really a commuter bike with worse ergo's. Oh and for all the talk about the R7 being great in the race class made for it - just remember back in the good days most "production" classes tended not to allow engines so modified they are making 30%+ over stock. Oh and also remember the R7 shares most of its specs with an SV650 - a commuter bike which was launched back in the 90's. Putting that out as a "sports bike" is more than a bit of a stretch.

[@L0n3W0lfBl4ck]

Still riding my 2006 zx-6r 636 ninja. Had it since new and it’s been an amazing bike.

[@thealiusjones]

I think the fact that they each have 2 wheels really makes them function well.

[@MaximumProductions70]

Always enjoy your videos. Thanks for putting out the content.

[@nicksokolis6343]

What we need is an R9 with brembos.

[@shadowred1980]

Agree with that.

[@milodebruin4821]

I am holding off buying a new bike in the hopes of a R9.

[@FC-pf2xv]

Absolutelly agree with you. I'm waiting for the R9.....But I'm not sure Yamaha will do it....

[@ThermicLight]

@@milodebruin4821 - I'm holding off too. Especially since Honda in my country only offer the neutered leaner version of the CBR650R. 😮‍💨

[@CptSlow89]

No we don't.

[@onlymurgs]

Will be upgrading my ZZR600 next year and l am sold on the Aprilia. Looks BRILLIANT and havent see a bad review yet. Can not WAIT to get it

[@bluemindmaverickpeace2281]

best decision, will enjoy it!

[@laz1go286]

I own three 600s. GSXR, ZX6R, Daytona 675 and eventhough they are all over 10 years old now, would never give them for any of these crippled sport bike copies. I love their agressive geometry, preakyness and that there's actually something happening between 10 and 16000 rpms.. They are so much fun to ride. And if I want comfort and touring capabilities, I jump on my VFR800 with panniers and top box, heated grips, ABS and cross Europe with ease..

[@laz1go286]

@@alexmoja3042 there are a few 600s still around from the previous era. Here in Australia you can still buy a new gsxr600-750, There are plated R6s around from 2020-21 and still available a brand new ZX6R with the WSSP colour scheme. I think also possible to order a Honda CBR600rr from the dealer. So there's still some models available here and the US but not in Europe that is for sure. I understand why market is going towards these gutless bikes. But I prefer to keep the touring bikes separate from Supersports. Just like you wouldn't go and try to eat a steak with a fish knife 😉

[@laz1go286]

@@alexmoja3042 my fifth bike is a dual sport. Yamaha WR250R from 2015. 32HP plenty of fun in the Aussie bush 😁 This bike also got wiped out of the European market many years ago. We're so lucky here Down Under that Euro standards don't apply. You can still buy a new DRZ400 SM which I also had previously but sold it a year ago. There is still a Kawasaki KLR650 available brand new in dealerships,, which is real ancient bike but super reliable and indestructible. You can cross the continent with it any time. Unfortunately these values in today's bike world are not so relevant anymore. Companies just try to sell, high number of units, multiple bikes on one platform, a massive electronic package with 2 or 4 catalytic converters, and carbon canister built in the system and make them quite as an electric bike, and prone to fail due to high specifications, and complicated engineering.. Anyway we've to enjoy the older, raw bikes as long as we can IMO..

[@HelloJamesBond]

Great review from both of you....and a very relevant set of bikes - really enjoyed it, thanks guys

[@borkarms]

Great Comparison , Enjoyed every minute of it .....

[@jared123123]

Overall ranking IMO: 1)Honda 2)Rs660 3)r7 Taking everything into account , power , build quality , reliability, looks, price, ergonomics etc as a rider who commutes to work every day but still likes long weekend rides and what not, about 2k miles into my 22’ 650r and loving every bit of it. Tail tidy, integrated brake light, smoked windshield, orange rim decal to match factory accents with the black and orange scheme . Made a good looking bike that much nicer with those simple additions

[@sebastian8294]

Honda the most boring and unwieldy bike in comparison with zero equipment and 30KG extra weight. You can talk to yourself about anything. Honda 1 🤣🤣

[@MaceJuanDu]

Supporting the "I could tour on an RS 660" comment: I've done 2500 miles on a road trip in May and found my RS 660 to be very good actually. Yes, it's not a touring bike per say and there are more comfortable/appropriate bikes out there, but my bottom, legs, back and neck were perfect throughout the trip. My only uncomfort was on my wrists but primarily on the days where we did long miles over mountain passes, where the hard braking downhill did get them sore. P.S: the rack below the pillion seat is awesome for setting up Kriega kit - it took me 10 minutes to set up the anchoring loops on the rack (which now live there permanently) and then takes mere seconds to slap a Kriega US-XX on.

[@Jay-yg8jj]

My girlfriend routinely rides hers on 200 miles days with me and doesn't usually have comfort issues until the end of the day. Granted, she's in her 20s but the fact that I can take my 1290 SAS across the state and she will come with me just goes to show how bang on the RS660 is. It's more comfy than an R7, faster, looks better, sounds better, cruise control, and it's really not that much more expensive, especially when you compare it to how much Yamahas are to insure in my area ($300+/month for a 27 year old with a clean record).

[@siraff4461]

I think the RS is just a very well designed bike altogether. It seems to hit the spot in this class perfectly. Yes its a bit more pricey but thats about the only downside. Otherwise its better than the CBR and miles ahead of the pretend R7.

[@MaceJuanDu]

@@Jay-yg8jj Three. Hundred. Per. Month????? What the hell is wrong with insurance companies there? I insure my Monster for £340 and my RS is £810 but these prices are FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. And this is noting that I only got my licence 1 year ago so I'm considered an inexperienced rider. Give it a year or two more and I'll be halfing those figure. $300 per month... Extorsion!

[@whatnever]

does the rs660 still hold up in terms of reliability?

[@MaceJuanDu]

@@whatnever Hi! So far it still holds yes - 7000 miles on the clock at the moment.

[@siraff4461]

I quite liked this video. Dan you've made a big difference since you started mate. You used to seem nervous and a bit off to me but this was great. Nice one. I'm not sold on all the bikes though. I like the RS but the CBR is a bit boring - it isn't a lot different to the late 90's era CBR - and the R7 is just a commuter in a frock - might aswell be a CBR500 with a big bore. If we're going to lose the 600 4-pot class thanks to it being completely track focussed I think we at least need to see something else thats trying. The RS seems like it is - its got its own engine albeit derived from its big brother - and it seems like a good, genuine modern sportbike.

[@kasztan2008]

Aprilia once again proving that they produce the best bikes out there. Would be very interesting to see comparison between RS660 and few years old R6, CBR600, GSXR600...

[@Stratocasterhead51]

it would get annihilated on track and it would be better on the road.

[@leanit5756]

I recently bought one. Terrific street sport bike.

[@Mmyers1177]

I’ll Take the Suzuki GSX-R 750 all day long!

[@jimperry4420]

Or even the Gsxs750, fantastic machine.

[@patw9175]

@@jimperry4420 The GSX-S750 is way, WAY, better than it has any right to be. Absolutely the best daily rider I ever owned.

[@jimperry4420]

@@patw9175 And yet, no one ever mentions it

[@Lex-Rex]

And a true middle weight.

[@eskemeldgaardkrogh4145]

Sadly no longer available in the EU… But I agree!

[@marleyman101]

Interesting that RS660 came with the Ohlins rear shock, is that a hint of an imminent Factory version? Test mule?

[@stanleyblazeraznik6047]

Aprilia Quality sucks. If you buy this bike you better have a dealer nearby. The dealer network is lacking. Check engine light almost guaranteed on this bike as new. Honda reliability all day long and a big dealer network. The 4 banger is robust.

[@mikemorales4806]

I road every street bike in the 90’s to 2015 everyone loved to power and front end stability of the GSXR. Honda for the looks and reliability. A lot of us liked the look of the Yamaha but didn’t trust the front end. Especially the R1. But add a steering stabilizer and it helped a lot.

[@GarryMcGovern]

Have I missed something, or are there no prices listed in this video? I think the actual price differences here would make a MASSIVE difference to somebody's buying decision: all well and good saying the RS660 is the best bike here, but if it is hugely more expensive than the other two, that's not really much help to the consumer. Fun per Pound/Bang for Buck would be a big deciding factor for me.

[@Piuriel]

Just visit each dealer website and in 3min you will found out the prizes.

[@mbag012]

Yeah, omitting the prices is a huge disservice to viewers. One of the nicest deciding factor in buying a bike is based on the price.

[@aroundtheblockmag]

Looking at around a four second gap between the RSV1000 and the 660 for twice the money and around a three second gap between the 660 and the R7 for 1/3 more money seems to answer just that-huge value and bang for your buck. I am agnostic on brands, but faithful to fun and anyone of three seems to hit that mark, only the Ape does it more so!

[@Ninja-400-girl]

All 3 seem like good rides. If MCN has one of them laying around that they are not going to keep you could send one to me hahahaha.. I enjoy the content you all produce on your channel, nice comparison of all 3 and to go on the track and the road was good way to compare the 3 too.

[@nth842]

should throw in an SV650s for a benchmark comparison at some point since its practically the grand daddy of this class.

[@grakenwhitelotus289]

agree on this but its naked..

[@nth842]

@@grakenwhitelotus289 so is an mt-07 and an xsr-700.... The sv650 was fully naked the 650s had clip ons and was partially faired with the sv650 sport being fully faired.

[@666Tazer]

Another great buy would be a nice tidy used cbr600f4i. Similar riding position, good suspension for road and track. Then lastly has great power, not as much down low but still the bike I'd buy with my money

[@BigJimFodder]

Tried an rs660 as a possible replacement for my 2016 600rr. It left me completely cold and I wanted to love it so much. The honda survives another season I guess.

[@Stratocasterhead51]

Dont think these bikes are destined for people who used to have 600s at all. All the equipement is lower spec, less power/performance. They are bikes for people to upgrade from a 300 or 400 i think.

[@Cam_Wight]

What didn't do it for you?

[@BigJimFodder]

@@Cam_Wight engine mostly. I was expecting a modern mini mille. This p twin phase honestly cannot go away soon enough.

[@morganil93]

I'd rank it 1. Aprilia 2. Honda 3. Yamaha Why? Well the Aprilia is very versatile, can do both track and road comfortably. The Honda is also very comfortable for road and track usage, only downfall is being a bit boring on the road due to it being a revvy 4-cylinder bike. Now... As for the Yamaha, it got the ergonomics of a track bike, lacks the power for it and has an engine better suited for the road. So to me, the Yamaha misses the mark in where it should have shone the brightest, aka, being the perfect sporty road bike that you can actually ride around on comfortably in a more lenient riding position like the other two as opposed to being the worst in that area. But you know, this is just my opinion. I'd love for Kawasaki to release the Ninja 650 with the Z900 engine, or Yamaha to embrace their strengths with their engines rather than try to keep the old consumer supersport bikes in the past (aka crappy ergos, and hence why it is a segment of bikes less popular today than in the past). I have big hopes for Hondas upcoming CBR750R/F, let's hope they get it right.

[@Veggettu]

I was so disapointed when you said that yamaha's r7 was not a great option for track day and that the agressive position didn't make it out for the lack of power, but then I see lap times and I don't think numbers back up your words, the difference is minimal for 20+hp between the r7 and the other 2 bikes

[@Veggettu]

@No_Name well it might be, I’m just saying the r7 is not that bad. I think the cbr has better engine but all the r7 cycle part is more track oriented and in the video they say it is the other way. Same times with 20hp less it proves that it is worth

[@Veggettu]

@No_Name well you are right but that was not my point, I was talking about the bikes not how they compete in the market. But anyway I dont think they intend to compete against each other, one is for new A2 riders who want to start in a sportlike bike with that agressive position and the other one is more like an allrounder bike with a comfortable position for those who want to commute and do sport touring

[@Veggettu]

@No_Name I think the aprilia is the one that has the most sense, it has both the engine and the chasis, is not as agressive as the r7 and it wont limit you on track like the cbr, but yeah they should make a version without all that technology and it would be much cheaper. Anyway if you go on forums you will see that it is unreliable af. If you dont have A2 limitations just buy a gixxer lmao

[@Veggettu]

@No_Name nah you are right

[@dry509]

Neevsy, would you buy the Aprilia with your own money given some reliability issues?

[@MetalGuitarist11123]

Love my CBR 650r , Great everyday ride. Great video and well honest. I was looking at getting the Aprilia 660 but as a Honda fan went with the cbr.

[@nickcbr650r]

I wasnt ready for that kenobi Hello there lol nice little meme is always appreciated! You deserve a like for that

[@sburns2421]

I feel like the R7 is just the first draft of what Yamaha (and buyers) really want. Enlarging the engine and tuning it more for sportbike (top end power and bigger hp numbers), along wth an SP version of the same is the next logical step in '24 or so. Make it ~900cc with 110 hp priced about the same as the Aprilia.

[@chaselandry2962]

R9 with the 900 triple is what everyone always wanted.

[@filipcmaros]

Im curiouse what was the lap time difrence beetween the bikes .I have honda 650r i was wondering if i put cartridges front and rear shock on the will it keep up with the aprilia

[@TheSudsy]

Triumph 765 Street RS would be interesting up against these. Similar price bracket.

[@James_765]

No it wouldn't be fair it's way too good but maybe I'm biased haha

[@kostasjezuz4846]

No fairing or clip-on, doesn't qualify

[@ProBroTheGreatBoo]

Not really, but a Daytona 675 comparison though :D

[@picturesquemoto8023]

Love my rs660. Definitely the best bike for me!

[@lgrw660factory]

Aprilia. No contest. Tuono may suit me better than the RS660 though.

[@fotisproutzopoulos20]

Excellent review! Bravo to all of you!

[@Martijn00095]

Why is the ducati SS not here? Ii know its more powefull and expensive. But its the same sporty middleclass. And it was first, not the honda...

[@stanleyblazeraznik6047]

Ducati and Aprilia cost of ownership way higher than Honda.

[@UWfalcin]

I LOVE my RS660. Had it for one season. It is just seriously a planck length from perfect for me. Feels so premium and luxurious. Testrode a CBR650R after buying the RS660 and I was bored just riding out of the dealerships parking lot, honestly. Felt like sitting upright on a lady’s bike and the power deliver is just so dead compared to the Aprilia. No trashtalking, just genuinely so happy with the Aprilia.

[@whatnever]

any problems? the bike seems great but the bad reputation concerning reliability is a turn off

[@UWfalcin]

@@whatnever nothing

[@ghostvardy6693]

Just ordered an r7 60th anniversary edition i literally cannot wait for it!!!

[@Curry3659]

I almost clicked away when I saw the ungraded intro. Good one you got me ::)

[@vervok]

1:50 What about the ZX6-R? That one is still for sale.

[@Fastboycolt]

Hey goofball this video is about middleweight bikes not 600cc bikes 😂

[@vervok]

​@@Fastboycolt I guess I'm too old lol, since in the past we would classify a 600cc middleweight (for sport bikes).

[@Fastboycolt]

@@vervok more like lightheavy weight

[@dende2401]

It is not just an english think. People in GER look down to 600 too. But then I've hunted z1000, 1199, H2, RS900 r9t and so on at tight tracks with my 22 year old CBR600FS. No matter to own a sharp knife when you have ten thumbs on each hand.

[@tadhgoshaughnessy6612]

Great review next 1000cc 👍👍

[@AbogadongKalye]

Awesome review (as always)! Which would you pick between the Honda CBR 650R and the Kawasaki ZX-6R?