Middleweight madness! | New era sportsbike showdown | MCN

[@Maverick-moto]

Top job Carl. Fluent, well articulated and detailed 👌 Thanks for a great review

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Many thanks!

[@varnxxx]

Nice

[@eckerttheemu9791]

It was a horrible and fake review

[@alfie6426]

The 750-900 class of sportsbikes needs to happen. A Daytona 765, R9 and RC990 would be epic.

[@firdaus9195]

Waiting for Daytona 765 to be reality.

[@CELL7GAMING]

Gotta add the Ducati V2 to this list.

[@vladgluhov2399]

​@@firdaus9195It exists, although limited

[@cemozcan3630]

Maybe a Ducati Streetfigher 937?

[@alfie6426]

@@CELL7GAMING Epic bike, would definitely be at the top end of the class.

[@samevans9113]

I have an R7 and can confirm its uncomfortable after about 200 yards 😂

[@BikeSounds]

Tank grips took all the pain for me. I am used to it now, and it's not even 10% uncomfortable to me.

[@samevans9113]

@@BikeSounds tbf i don't do huge mileage so jokes aside i love the R7. Inspiring looks, really good torque. It makes for a really fun road bike. Have you changed the exhaust on yours? If so what did you go for?

[@HuskySwe]

I sat on it, and couldn’t get over how small it was, great engine though.

[@keithquinn5624]

Baby beginer weak girls bike. Get a r6.

[@Cliffracer46]

@@samevans9113how do you think it would be for smaller tracks? Is it too heavy? Am running a Panigale alongside

[@GripEngineering]

Friendly reminder for potential buyers of these machines; making suspension adjustments for your weight and intended use makes a big difference on any bike, and tire choice can transform a machine. Don't let this review keep you from the bike you want. Example 1: I purchased a 2024 Ninja 650 in January. I'm 5'11, so I spent $200 for the Kaw accessory seat (30 mm higher than stock) and it opened up the legroom. Adjusted rear shock from 3 to 4 of 7(next stiffest) for my 210 lbs and handling was sharp. Next, the OEM Dunlop Roadsport 2 tires were extremely stiff, feeling way over-inflated, even though they weren't. Bike was bouncy/jittery. Swapped them for Michelin Power 5 tires and now I have the compliance and grip I need for good pace on backroads. Complete transformation! Example 2: I took delivery of a Daytona 660 last week of April. Rear shock preload came delivered at softest setting, 1 of 7. I bumped it to 3 and now I have the sharp handling I wanted; no complaints. The spring rates dont feel soft at all. I live in the States. It appears MCN does not take time to set up the bike for each rider weight, etc. Not condemning them for this, but reminding that owners SHOULD spend time adjusting suspension, tire pressures, etc. It can really have a huge effect on our enjoyment of the machine, and also explain some of the statements from reviews of this type.

[@curtmeyer4894]

Agreed, My Street Triple 765 RS was soft both front and rear in 2018...Loaded the rear first and got the feeling he described, Added preload and a few clicks damp and Reb and this bike has been flawless for years and wouldn't trade it for anything...12k miles and it's never let me down.

[@matthennig903]

How are you enjoying the 660

[@GripEngineering]

@@matthennig903 I've only ridden it twice, a 220 mile ride and another 221 miles (different routes!), but enjoying it thus far. As I am still running it in, I haven't enjoyed the motor at full revs or throttle yet, but the more I use of it the bigger my smile. The front brake may require a change of pads to achieve the linear relationship with lever pressure I enjoy on my non-ABS Ninja; right now, stopping power and bite increases substantially during the duration of brake apply while holding constant lever pressure. May seek a KTM pad to try on it. Absolutely love the ergos, wind protection, motor, and I like the display. Oh, the Sport mode does sharpen the throttle response compared to Road, so both are quite usable. The Daytona differs from the Trident and Tiger in that it has Sport mode, and a numerical tach as one of the selectable info trays. Seat is also very comfortable. In a nutshell, it appears to be a modern replacement of the do-anything sport bikes of the 90s.

[@kilerscn]

​​​@@GripEngineering I have been thinking about replacing my tired CBR600F and have been falling in love with the looks of the Triumph along with never having had a triple to the point I really want to get one but wasn't sure due to some concerns, this has alleviated them, thanks.

[@GripEngineering]

Brakes feel better/good after I loosened frt caliper bolts, pulled brake lever to align caliper/pads to disc, then retorqued. A radial mount has a different installation procedure than axial mount.

[@CaptainPetrolburner]

Don’t care which one is faster or has more torque, the 16,000 RPM screamer is the most enjoyable for me. I just bought the ZX4RR to convert to a race bike. I put a little over 400 miles on back roads with it and now I need another one to keep for the street. Seriously so good and I haven’t even unlocked the extra 20+ horsepower it has waiting for me.

[@sahilmohammed8715]

Do you have USA spec?

[@bazitube390]

cope lmfao.

[@keithquinn5624]

Lol it's a baby beginer weak bike, sell it get a 600 and the money u save is for gas/trips.

[@elcookiemonsteru]

2024 and they are all slower and a lot less powerful than my 2008 600RR...sad days we live...

[@yummyhershey5902]

@@keithquinn5624 Why would I get a 600 over the ZX-4rr?

[@bullittproof]

Racing the CBR650R with the E Clutch is doing it an injustice. The bike is not slower than the zx4rr nor the R7.

[@paulconnell1309]

The CBR650R ain't slower than the ZX4RR. The R7 will be a lot more torquey and feel quicker off the mark for every day riding. The CBR needs a rev or two...

[@amisfitpuivk]

Yeah the entire zx4rr power curve is underneath the CBR650R. Even if riding a 4RR perfect I don't see any way it could beat a CBR650R in any scenario besides a big skill gap. But it is ~10 horsepower slower than an R7 under 8k RPM, but from 8000 to redline the CBR is faster than the R7

[@icebruner]

​@@amisfitpuivk True, but the CBR is the Heaviest out Of the Group.

[@icebruner]

​@@amisfitpuivk True, but the CBR is the Heaviest out Of the Group.

[@nardbryant08]

Own a 23 cbr and i swear this is a not broken in detuned cbr 650r getting smoked like this

[@shadowred1980]

Can we get that drag race footage, without all the cuts and edits please ?

[@Steve-motorcycles]

The Suzuki would come close to last place, 2nd from last maybe.

[@ashwinraggs4226]

@@Steve-motorcyclesBull 💩 😂😂😂

[@ashwinraggs4226]

IKR 😝

[@harshalthedon]

Yes please

[@paulconnell1309]

@@Steve-motorcycles Depends how far you ride.

[@Villani_AV]

The cbr is an excellent everyday bike, and it handles everything from short jaunts to touring perfectly fine

[@6speed636]

I had a 2018 CB650F and was not a fan. Terribly uncomfortable seat, and a questionable transmission. It was comfy on the highway, but not after 30 minutes because of the crappy seat. The transmission being questionable was my big reason for selling it, as after some research others had the same complaint. I know this is the cbr, but they previously shared the powerplant. Just my experience

[@eckerttheemu9791]

@@6speed636it’s not the cbr stop comparing it to the r

[@youtubed9695]

RS 660 looks & sounds the best

[@ogofog9120]

Triumph or Honda for me, the rest look naff or cheap

[@paulconnell1309]

Yeh and costs 25% more...

[@youtubed9695]

@@ogofog9120 what you think the triumph doesn't look naff...??

[@youtubed9695]

@@paulconnell1309 because its 25% better

[@paulconnell1309]

@@youtubed9695 I don't think so, but then the great thing is we can ride something different. For the money I would take Triumph Street Triple RS. Great handling and even quicker. Not as pretty though.

[@howardfreedman4289]

I recently bought the 8R based on all the positive prior reviews. Nice to know it's considered best all around sports bike. I love my 8R, the looks, the power everywhere, the handling stability, the comfort, and it's happy puttering around in the suburbs. I haven't found a flaw yet.

[@ApplesAndOranges188]

How are the insurance companies treating you with it? Are an experienced driver?

[@Stratocasterhead51]

It is a very good road bike. Have tried it and its top notch. Will not lie though, as someone who wants a bike to ride on track the 8r is nowhere near the level of some other bikes on this list. It is hard for me to consider it a sportsbike.

[@grahamheffer6535]

I’ll take the 8r ta

[@williamvanderscheer4327]

I rode both the 8r and cbr650r went with the cbr650r. 8r just didnt excite me. On paper its excellent but idk. Theres just no beating the 4cylider and surprisingly I found it was too upright, cbr 640r felt waaaay more like a real sportbike, while still being comfortable.

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

@@williamvanderscheer4327City riding is all about torque. I like the CBR but do I really want to deal with a 4-cylinder everyday? Not as my daily. Where I live the roads aren’t great and there are police everywhere. The 8R is extremely comfortable and has plenty of engine for the city. It’s also made in Japan and every Suzuki I’ve owned has been bulletproof and so easy to work on.

[@mala7794]

how suzuki managed to make a 800cc engine make barley 80hp while aprilia sniffing coke made their 660 make 100 with almost the same compression ratio i will never understand.

[@Jason-hl8uj]

Agreed but i think they’ve left some on the table for later model updates

[@richardsewell8657]

The 400cc zx4rr makes 78hp aswell

[@mala7794]

you clearly know nothing about bikes. the kawasaki rev to the moon and makes those 78 hp at around 12k. and a measly 26 ftlbs witch is nothing when it comes to torque. the rs660 wins since it has the highest compression ratio@@richardsewell8657

[@bearwolffish]

Look at the engines and number of cylinders. Just going by cc is how companies sell you weaker bikes with bigger digits.

[@1786crafty]

Simple suzuki said on the launch that they wanted balance and torque. Usable power. They said they could have easily gave it more power but chose not to do so.

[@gordonhenry7760]

This is the best format for a comparo, as opposed to the normal "conclusion"... comprehensive, emotional and decisive. Well done!

[@chrisgarret3285]

I went from a 2023 Ninja 400 to the 2024 Suzuki GSX-8R. Power is an obvious world of a difference but man, the handling is soo much better on the GSX-8R. Stability is part much wider rear rubber but the SHOWA forks are awesome. They are right on the money in this review.

[@Al-df7np]

You cant argue with someone who has actually owned one . Gald you found your happy place! I moved up from my Ninja 400 to the Aprilia 660 nearly three years ago and love it. Surprisingly it's also crazy economical on gas.

[@chrisgarret3285]

@@Al-df7np thanks! Aprilia 660 is a nice one as well, good looking bike. Enjoy it.

[@edmorris4103]

Nobody in the world is gonna buy a ZX4RR and NOT get an ECU flash. That alone will help the bike tremendously.

[@kleinbottled79]

The Euro markets get a full 77hp from factory. No American or Canadian won't get the flash though, that much is true.

[@kieranJo70]

Not sure about that. The ZX4RR would so engaging in the twisties, but like he said it’s a Sunday bike.

[@sebastiansd8436]

In Spain the zx4rr comes with 80hp

[@kleinbottled79]

@@sebastiansd8436 80hp includes the ram air effect. Gotta be going fast already for that to work though, which why I quote the lower number, but both are correct in a way.

[@ninja1970fin]

In Eu it is full 80 everywhere. It can be run as high revving sports bike and also pretty relaxed on higher gear ... I own one.

[@UpsideDownFork]

I test rode the GSX-8R and the RS660 2 days apart from each other. The Suzuki was just a bit too much sit up and beg. It really did feel like riding a naked bike in it's seating position. I'm not sure how it could legitimately be classed as a sportsbike? Can you tell i bought a RS660 after testing them back to back? Even though I love Suzuki and have had 4 of their bikes prior to this Aprilia. Most recently a GSX-S1000 and GSX-R1000. The Aprilia is composed, powerful, all day comfortable and when you park it, everyone wants to ask about it. After 30 years of riding motorbikes, i find the RS660 the best all round package currently available. I dont know what they are talking about that it is too exciting. Just whack it in commute mode and it is such a tame and easy machine to ride. Mode selection makes a massive difference to the feel of this bike, more so than any other bike I've tried before.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

I went and sat on the 8R myself and it’s a bit more upright than I wanted. If the bars were more like the Daytona or Aprillia in height it would be so much better IMO. My ‘22 Z900 has a more tucked/leaned forward position than the 8R… if they come out with some aftermarket choices for lower bars I may try and pick up an 8R used in a year or 2… unless Yamaha drops the R9…

[@UpsideDownFork]

@@sleeper.simulant7327 totally agree.

[@stuartstogdill2406]

The 8R is nothing more than a the 8S with full fairings... certainly not a sportbike in any sense.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

@@stuartstogdill2406 it’s certainly a sport bike, just not a super sport by any means. The slower R7 is closer to a super sport, simply because of the chassis and ergonomics… the 8R is a straight up street biased sport bike, like the Ninja 650.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

@@UpsideDownFork if there was an Aprillia dealer close to me I would have ended up with an RS660 as you did. It’s literally the perfect daily rider sport bike. But the closest dealer is 4 hours away. There’s 4 Kawasaki dealers in between me and that dealer… that and I got a really good deal on a private sale cash paid for my Z900…

[@yuvarajm8134]

I just loved the way you detailed outliers for each model...Brilliantly presented...Great Job!

[@shivvashishthabhargava4600]

The RS660 would be my pick but the 8R does seem to do it all! Suzuki masterpiece??!!!

[@weed46]

Just a good bike, nothing remarkable about it to be a masterpiece.

[@robertowen8281]

I'm waiting for the r9. That will take the biscuit when it arrives

[@moc0097]

@@weed46 That is exactly what makes it a masterpiece, getting so many things right and suit multiple different riding styles. The most complete bike of the bunch.

[@amisfitpuivk]

It needs a bigger butt then I think aesthetically it'd be really nice

[@808Mark]

​@robertowen828if the r9 is more comfortable than the r7 I'll get it

[@leejohnson7981]

many thanks for the review, it was really informative. Upon review and testing in person, i purchased the 8R and haven't looked back, i love it.. thanks for all you great work.

[@alexashby6601]

I’ve got the triumph and it’s an awesome bike for the money 🔥

[@GeorgiaGrowGuy]

To reveal the winner at the start was a real change and saved me 16 minutes of view time for your channel and advertisers. Thanks for making it easy and not feeding cash to the man. Cheers

[@Chris-ij8tb]

Why would you post that? Do you want them to go the standard route of saving all results for the end? Because with comments like this, that is what you will get. Smh

[@chrissy.v]

I've ridden the Suzuki gsx-8r, honda CBR 650 R, Kawasaki ninja zx400rr, and the Triumph Daytona 660. I ended up preferring everything on the Daytona, and even bought it for that reason. I was torn between the Suzuki and the Triumph, but the Triumph just has a more versatile and smooth engine, superior comfortable seat, better crash protection (and other options), has more feel in the brakes and has better safety features (and lights). Also found the handling to be quite good to my surprise after the partly negative reviews.

[@RussRyan7713]

The good news is there are all great bikes and fit different people and their needs. Looks for me are highly important, so the Aprilla and the CBR (in Red) win that round. I am sure the Suzuki is great but I would not look back at it and think wow. So ruled it out. Same for the Daytona, its nice looking but they forgot to paint the rear, also cant forgive the display. The ZX4RR was high on my list but I couldnt get past the "Ninja" paint job. Not my cup of tea (even the anniversary one). I would have got the RS660 but my little 27" inseam means its just too much work for me. So I brought the 24 CBR650R in Red of course and went normal quickshifter. Thats why I say all the bikes are great. I absolutely love my CBR, it looks amazing, I can fit on it and the inline 4 sound is so nice. Came last in this test :) but I love it. The only other bike I would buy would be the RS660. Guess its all about looks for me 😁

[@roessalaar]

Nothing wrong with the CBR! Its a great looking, great sounding, great performing bike with Honda reliability. Whats not to like?

[@paulconnell1309]

I road the Tuono and found it too tippy toed for me. 5'8" with short legs. The front of the saddle was too fat giving a poor stand over. Bought a GSX 8S. Pity the 8R was not out....

[@RussRyan7713]

@@paulconnell1309 I didn't ride one but sat on it in the dealer and found the fat seat my main issue. Couldn't even tip toe it. 👍.

[@paulconnell1309]

I recon the CBR looks great! The Daytona is ok but poor handling and aren't those Triumph instruments rubbish! Why do they do it? The Street Triple R has the same set up. The RS has a full screen but the Tach is unreadable. Crazy stuff.

[@Al-df7np]

Yes looks are very important! Thats why I bought an Aprilia but I agree the CBR is a cracking looking bike too. I just wish they'd stop cutting the arse off them! The Suzuki looks best in the silver with red wheels colour scheme I feel. It surprised me that it won but I'm happy for Suzuki to have their time. They are well priced too so should sell well.

[@MacAlex007]

I find the cbr650 engine much more exciting than the CP2 from the R7.

[@davmanlop333]

😂 no ways

[@jamakasis18]

@@davmanlop333 Depends where you ride. In town? No. In B roads? Yes.

[@MacAlex007]

@@jamakasis18 A mix. In town, B roads and highway. Riding in town is never exciting anyway. Too much traffic. 😅

[@neodurden6793]

​​@@MacAlex007Who cares if it is fun in town (except for the commuter). I do not buy a motorcycle that does 0-120 mph in 10sec (cbr650r) with clipons to "have fun" between two red light at 30pmh 😂

[@MacAlex007]

@@neodurden6793 I said "riding in town is never exciting anyway". Glad that we share the same opinion. 😉

[@swieri2003]

Whoever rode that Honda off the line in the drag race has no business launching a bike in a test. Fml, thank god for channels like 44th unlike this BS

[@michaelch6536]

Couldn't agree more ive never seen a launch so bad in my life i guess honda was the only company that never slipped them some dollars

[@DanSny]

I thought he said the Honda was put in E-Clutch during the race clips?

[@MotoInstructor-Jacob]

Apple with oranges.. ZX4RR would be my choice

[@dannyferguson9415]

I can't wait to ride a ZX4rr!

[@dwcubatch83]

the drag video is not complete. All 2-cylinders are faster on the first couple hundred meters because they have more torque at low-mid range. But as the drag race goes on further, the 3-cylinder engines will catch up with the 2-cilynders because they have torque from low to mid and a little bit high range. But through the finish line (assuming it is a longer distance race), the 4-cylinder engine will catch up with all 2 and 3 cylinder engines because a 4-cylinder engine is a high revving engine. Once it reaches the high range it goes really really fast. This is why you see honda cbr last at the start of the drag race, but I am sure it came up the first finisher. Perhaps zx4rr second.

[@paulconnell1309]

The Suzuki will do well up to 100 kph. then the multis will move ahead. One drag race I saw had the Suzuki beat the RS660 up to about 115 kph and then the RS superior HP took over and it pulled away.

[@morri03]

The Aprilia will be fastest. 100hp and light

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

The CBR650R isn’t a very rev happy i4, it’s nothing like a real super sport engine, it’s a stroked and massively detuned 600 which will take away from the more rev happy feel of a majorly overbore inline 4... It doesn’t rev higher than Triumph’s triple or make any more high end power over the triumph, it also lacks the mid range of the triumph… Honda power: 94 hp at 9300 rpm, rev limit of 12,000 rpm. That 12,000 is all just over rev though, it doesn’t make any more power. Triumph power: 94 hp at 11,250 rpm, rev limit of 12,500. Verdict: the triumph revs higher, and makes more mid range power. It’s the clear acceleration winner

[@paulconnell1309]

@@sleeper.simulant7327 The place to look is where the engines make their torque. The GSX has the lowest peak torque at 6,800 rpm and 80% at 4,000. It feels like a bigger bike until you race. As you say, the CBR is flat low down and in the middle. The Triumph has a surprisingly flat torque curve and I guess will also be quick for everyday. I have not ridden the Daytona 660, but did own a Street Triple 765 which was smooth in low revs and quick everywhere. Same torque and HP as the GSX S750 four but way snappier on the roll on. With the GSX four you have to wait or change down, then it goes with a growl. My GSX 8S just pulled away. Easily as quick as a Street Triple under the speed limit and without revving the shed out of the bikes. Similar time to 100 kph.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

@@paulconnell1309 the original comment stated that because the CBR650R is an inline 4 it revs higher then all the triples and twins here and will be faster then them, which is simply not true. Cylinder count is but a single variable in the equation of how an engine performs. Bore:stroke ratio, camshaft lift and duration, weight of the materials used for the internals such as crankshaft, rods, pistons, etc… both the RS660 and Daytona 660 have less cylinders then the CBR, but require higher revs to hit their peak power figures, while both have more mid range punch. That equates to a more exciting engine feel, while still retaining that sporty, high revving feel. I currently ride a ‘22 Z900. I’ve actually looked hard at getting a GSX 8S or 8R for a second bike, they get stellar reviews and aren’t crazy expensive… and they seem like an awesome backroad ripper. All in all the CBR650R just seems so vanilla compared to its competitors. It’s not objectively a bad bike, it’s a Honda so it will be reliable and dependable. But the ZX4RR is a much more rev happy i4. Makes less power sure, but rips hard like a true super sport the higher you rev it, and begs to be rev’d out…

[@Druezy]

Fantastic video and excellent presentation! Great videography as well!

[@cloudcata8300]

After I bought my gen 3 Hyabusa I went back to the dealer so my dad could get a bike as well and actually sat on a Suzuki 8R, it's much much better looking in person and it feels great, the black one I saw seemed like the perfect middle ground bike for a beginner or people without expectations of massive power and it's really well priced

[@chrissunde1104]

RS660 is the best. Power, cruise control, aesthetics, suspension and handling.

[@hstefan]

Except the fact that the engines have a little feature called "self destruction" at times.

[@chrissunde1104]

@@hstefan Yeah, you've got a good point there. Reliability is paramount.

[@ThaBootyBandit]

@@hstefan Those trouble engines have been replaced in dealers for awhile now. Its not a yamaha, do your scheduled maintenance.

[@BodybuildingSteve]

​@chrissunde1104 which unless you have really deep pockets reliability should really matter but they never take that into consideratjon in these tests

[@ThaBootyBandit]

@@BodybuildingSteve It really shouldnt because the daytona and the 8r havent been out long enough to find out.

[@vincentbeijing6926]

Great video, informative, well narrated and edited, thank you👍🏻 Interesting and unexpected result too!

[@orhan14oglu]

I go for Aprilia.. Chasis, engine character, handling, electronics and quality.. Aprilia is absolutely phenomenal bikes 🥰

[@SpeedTourer]

Surprised the cbr 650r is the last ! lol ! Agreed not the best on low end tourque but still a high revving inline 4! Also they have compared the e-clutch, not the non e-clutch which is much quicker! Throw in a decent exhaust on the CBR 650 and hear it roar, the soundtrack can even put litre class bikes to shame! Great sports tourer, aggressive styling, super comfortable is what the CBR is, a good all rounder, with amazing value for money! Poor review from MCN again! Yes a proud Honda CBR owner and wouldn’t trade it for any of the other bikes except the aprilia rs 660! ( already ridden some of the other bikes mentioned here so I know what I am saying)

[@SuburbanWarfare69]

for some crazy reason you can't buy an unrestricted CBR650R in Australia though, only a detuned Learner version

[@matthewfall-eq8be]

E clutch on the cbr doesn't make the bike much slower!! Off the line its less aggressive but once you start shifting it's no different ,

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

It’s not that high revving though, the new Daytona 660 revs higher and harder, and makes more mid range punch. The CBR is a stroked and massively detuned 600 engine, Honda did a Honda and made it incredibly vanilla. It doesn’t rev hard, it’s incredibly smooth (great for touring, not for sport), and the bike just feels plain. I almost bought one, glad I didn’t, would’ve been bored of it quickly I reckon… glad I stepped up to a Z900.

[@bikersquest]

Just looked like a poor launch to me, maybe a stall

[@user-rb3jw7yj9o]

@@sleeper.simulant7327 What a load of rubbish. CBR650 has more mid-range than the old and new CBR600. Still revs pretty hard if you like that sort of thing, you just need to know what you are doing ;)

[@raimee81]

I'm on a 2009 GSX-R600. I got it used. It is an exciting bike to ride no doubt, but I have been considering buying a bike brand new. I've only been riding a year on used bikes. The Suzuki 8R and the Daytona 660 are on my shortlist. Triumph final launched in the Malaysia and I specifically went to the recent autoshow to view and sit on the bike. Good to see that you guys have put these up in the top 3. The Aprilia is a good deal more expensive in my country compared to the Daytona and 8R so that is a no go. Great round up and how the bikes feel to ride was articulated very very well!

[@rikstar.]

You are gunna feel so slow going from a proper 600 to any of these bikes in the video 😂

[@NewsMoto]

This is incredible work! On point review, guys! I am now curious to try our the GSX8R!

[@chrisgarret3285]

1,700 miles in on mine and absolutely love it, recommend it

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Tuning is where the real power comes out. Factory it's about 10 hp and 10 ft-lb down.

[@s33k3r100]

Let’s see how long it takes MCN to start hating on the Honda in this video

[@thouseinthehouse]

less than 2 minutes.

[@rwalton159]

Like I'd watch this video and decide what bike to buy The Honda is superb. I've just ordered my 3rd CBR650R Makes me laugh hearing this guy go on about the other bikes

[@sebastian8294]

Sorry I have 650R before but in Compare Honda is old and boring 🥱 so heavy an no emotion Now I drive RS660 it is so much more Fun 🤩 I will never drive 650R again

[@shaunnanton929]

I love my Honda 650r. It for sure ain't the slowest bike here

[@sebastian8294]

@@shaunnanton929 it isn’t slow, it is boring to drive. It is so heavy and no technician. In compare it fell like a bike from 1990.

[@BryByWire]

RS 660 owner here with 5,000 miles since buying new. Couldn't be more pleased with daily use, and daily 100's. Absolutely flawless bike. But don't buy one.... I enjoy being the only one in my area who has one lol

[@theoneandonlyhubert]

Just tested the gsx8r and the zx4rr. The front end of the gsxr is delicious, the zx4rr a bit skittish, but I would get used to it. The zx is amazing fun which leaves you with a hyperactive maniacal grin afterwards, but at times you’re really left waiting for the revs to build and that bit of power at the end to come in. The gsx8r on the other hand has plenty of instant power and then hits the limiter, leaving you wanting for more. And it’s face and top yoke setup are nasty…

[@Stclairm1]

Love to see how it would change based on ownership and service experiences! Love the RS660’s looks. Suzuki and Aprilia

[@amisfitpuivk]

Wow, what a review. They all sound good! I'll add some dyno details because I have all these bikes' stock-ish dyno graphs overlayed for comparison because I was picking one out to buy. That GSX-8R blows the rest of them away up to 8k RPM in terms torque/how early it gets horsepower in the rev range (I just wish it had a bigger ass, it looks stubby.) The R7 hp curve is the same as the gixxer minus ~10. The RS 660 makes more power than both (but only after ~9k rpm) and revs higher, with the CBR650R dead even with it, but a bit less on the top end. The Daytona 660 is like a juiced up RS 660 and wins against them all in power. The ZX-4RR is on par with the power of the GSX-8R, but _only_ after 10k RPM. (It's basically a Ninja 400 until you get to 9-10k RPM.)

[@sfwagner8563]

you can’t compare a restricted CBR 650 R to any of these bikes, restricted 650 is completely different ballgame than the restricted 40 hp 450 pound bike 100 hp unrestricted. It feels completely different far too harsh Honda.

[@nickc2871]

I wondered if it was a restricted model... that's a totally different bike then!

[@SonriseSunset]

And it's (GSX8R) pretty good looking too!

[@xorbe2]

My go-to all-rounder middleweight is the Street Triple 765 Moto2.

[@ragerider6283]

Interesting review. I guess the GSX8R isn't the best bike in any area, except torque maybe, but is just more well rounded overall. Still think the RS660 should probably have won but I get with this criteria why it didn't. Not surprised the GSX8R won tbh, it does do most things really well & doesn't cost the earth. It's comfortable, user friendly & fun at legal speeds & the torque makes it so easy to live with. I should know, I bought one & it completely contradicts it's spec sheet. However, I will say the bars look a bit daft, switchgear is somewhat cheap, the QS can be a bit agricultural on occassions & it runs out of puff after 8500rpm. Although none are significant issues imo.

[@paulconnell1309]

The RS 660 is 25% more where I live and the dash is not as good. The GSX 8 series quick shifter improves when it has a few more kms and you know it. The GSX might run out of puff sooner, so just change up at 7,500 revs and the torque keeps you accelerating. It beats the RS660 to 115 kph and still makes 130kph+- in good enough time. Great roll on. Begs the question how fast do you want to ride. The GSX low down torque is more useful for every day riding. But both are excellent bikes. I picked the 8S over the Tuono

[@ragerider6283]

@@paulconnell1309 Yep, agree with all that. The QS does improve with use & you learn it's ways pretty quickly. Compared to these other bikes, torque is noticabley stronger too. It pulls really well almost everywhere in every gear & much better than you expect. It feels like a bigger bike for sure. I used to have an SV1000S & it feels somewhat similar in midrange performance to a point. With regard to revs, I put the Akrapovic system on mine so my comment was more about the standard bike in comparison. The Akra makes a big difference & gives it a lot more at the top end & you can happily rev it out. There's also a noticable rush between 7.5-8k where peak torque is delivered & peak bhp is moved up the revs to 9.2k just before the redline. However, in top gear you'd be doing 140mph / 227kmh so like you said, how fast do you really need to do on the road?!?

[@wobull7312]

@@ragerider6283 Is it worth fitting 8R with Akra?? I think about it

[@ragerider6283]

@@wobull7312 If you have the money yes, 100%. Better in every way. Power, torque, weight saving, sound & looks. Also definitely get it mapped. Total gains for the Akra over standard once it's mapped is approx. +10bhp & +10lbs/ft. Big noticeable gains!

[@wobull7312]

@@ragerider6283 👍

[@lgrw660factory]

How on earth can the 8R beat the RS660? It can’t have won on power and handling!

[@NicePantsLance]

Power and Handling would definitely make the Aprilia660 come in first place if they made a "on-track comparison" video. However, they also had to judge it's everyday road-manners, which is why the Suzuki ranked higher. The Aprilia has some flaws that make it hard to live with as a daily rider. Also it's reliability is questionable

[@lgrw660factory]

@@NicePantsLance I forgot to add weight. Frankly, if you think an 8R is a better sport bike then maybe you don’t really want a sport bike. I’m too old for them now, so I got a Tuono 660 Factory. If you think an RS660 is too extreme, try a Tuono. Absolutely love it. If I wanted a proper sport bike I’d get a CBR600RR.

[@ThaBootyBandit]

@@NicePantsLance Th RS660 is the better package for all around, more features, better equipment, better motor, better at the track, sounds better, looks better, Its more expensive because you get MORE bike than the 8r. You do your maintenece on time and maintain your warranty. If you want a cheap new touring bike that "looks" sporty then yea get the 8r.

[@ovDarkness]

I'm in love of Tuono 660 Factory. If all goes well it will be my first bike in a few months.

[@alphajed7700]

He did the road test, not track test.

[@dalemeadows225]

RS660 all day long for me. Looks the best and sounds the best

[@vaeell6532]

I rode the 8s and loved it. I wanted a retro though. Maybe next year.

[@PastowanyKaban]

the photography is 1st class

[@andrewbozhozr]

I like this guy... Presentation, he says smart things.. Really enjoyed it to watch

[@michaelch6536]

Loll the most bs test ive seen the cbr 650r is quicker then nearly all of those bikes expecially the r7 and ninja and u made it look slow as hell in the drag race talk about hating on honda

[@user-rb3jw7yj9o]

They swapped the 650 4 for a 125 single for the drag race! :D What a joke of a test.

[@michaelch6536]

@@user-rb3jw7yj9o very true could of made it look a little more competitive but there like screw it i dunno how these ppl are even aloud to do tests they know absolutely nothing

[@BlackArroToons]

A nice comparison to see, thanks MCN. The Suzuki GSX8 looks good. I have a '21 Ninja 650 and love it, but with the mindset that faster isn't always more fun, and it's a fun-all-around motorcycle IMO for the public roads. There will always be a faster bike, but that doesn't mean the slower bikes aren't fun and reliable!

[@bradcalvert305]

RS660 all day

[@mariobras167]

Great and complete well done review, thanks 🙏

[@lameprofilepic3931]

RS660 is the best, still I’d get an R7 and track spec it

[@IcedOmega13]

Just picked my 8r up and I love it.

[@joelwall1131]

I was not expecting that. Would love to give that a go. Thought the Aprilia and Daytona might be battling it out.

[@christosswc]

I'm not looking past the R7 and GSX8R. More concessions to be made with the R7 due to it's focus but it looks so clean and purposeful that I'd be willing to overlook the riding position, even not being able to track it where the riding position would make sense. I've sat on both and the GSX8R had the best riding position of every single motorcycle I tried during a show, regardless of class.

[@GCTO239]

The Kawasaki is the only unique competitor and the most exciting bike of them all.

[@shafiqshahar1456]

Which one produce less heat ?

[@cs1375]

So it's not just boring cars Honda makes, It also extends into motorcycles as well.

[@andrewprice1189]

Carl is such a great reviewer, got that x factor. Very watchable. When the goat neevsey hangs up his helmet MCN is in ssfe hands

[@weed46]

Nice cirrus sr22 at the back

[@eggnog52]

Based plane enjoyer

[@CrisURace]

Why is that e clutch monstruosity there instead of the normal one?

[@JulioRegis]

The zx4rr is supposed to be under powered ... You're supposed to feel like you're on track day without breaking too many speed limits

[@EfferusZangetsu]

Really good job and takes on the bikes, but I don`t get your points against the RS660. I am 190 cm (a bit over 6´2), almost 40 years old with a screwed up neck and I can ride it all day long thanks to the cruise control. I commute on it to Zürich where there are a ton of 30 km/h zones and it feels fine at that speed (not as smooth as an inline 4 obviously). What I would point out as negatives are heat that builds up quickly in city traffic (it feels hotter than my Hypermotard) and in most of the world it is quite a bit more expensive than the other bikes. Other than that, I would agree that it is a toss up between the RS and the 8R, depending on your needs, design taste and budget.

[@zylynlamis9285]

Zx4r and cbr 650r for me.

[@MrVarun2903]

Great work for the Team and Of course the host😊

[@armandogarcia632]

Hi, love you video btw, i justo have a question for you, why isnt the ducati 950 supersport among them?...

[@donalduka221]

For the price

[@wobull7312]

Supersport 950 is probably discontinued next year!

[@armandogarcia632]

@@wobull7312 it is so I won't be able to get one now, or maybe they are gonna bring a new model to replace it? Btw why would they do that?

[@BigDonkMongo]

I have the CBR650R normal transmission and I'm surprised how slow the eclutch is keeping the bike, it holds up to r6s until the triple digits

[@Onereelrider]

Love how every mainstream media just hates on Honda lol...did ya'll see that roll race?? Stupid Honda...with their looks, power, and reliability! Also, they managed to make one the top 3 fastest 650 cc bikes end up dead last (I get it's just editing, but show a whole run). Then to put the Suzuki ahead of the Aprilia is just nonsense. One part I did agree with was the R7, I personally ranked it as my most uncomfortable bikes I've ever ridden, and also it's "slow". Great for a small track with no long straights though.

[@SpeedTourer]

MCN are biased! 😂

[@jamakasis18]

They managed to make it look slower than ZX4r :D I'm, i'm efin dead. :D

[@user-rb3jw7yj9o]

Yep it’s a Honda beat up on a good all round bike with plenty of power for the road.

[@petrol11]

I got myself a Susuki GSX 8S and I totally get the hype. This is a crazy good package imo, the tech is just in the right spot, quality feel, excellent sharp handling, nutty torque, and the visual design on the 8S and R is really appealing imo

[@Gottaloveguitars427]

As soon as they said the Honda in last I turned off the review bc it has no credibility.

[@grodt88]

film is sponsored by SUZUKI you can tell this after watching first 18 seconds

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

The RS660 is in a class of it's own TBH.... the other ones don't compare at all without significant modding incl the R7. They're all heavier than the Aprilia and make less power and have far less features... the Aprilia's handling is in a different universe to all of them except the R7. The Suzuki is gr8... but to me I wish they'd release a lighter frame version w/premium suspension and brakes an RR if you will with that nice engine and I'd love it. Using the CBR IE compared to the Aprilia.... it's down on HP by 5 so it doesn't seem like much, but the added 50 pounds in weight + trash absolute budget suspension and brakes? You cannot push that bike half as hard as you can the RS.

[@Zenrising_YTCM_President]

Imagine living in the 1990s and a time traveller coming back and telling you that in 30 years an 800cc bike would be considered mid weight.

[@bikersquest]

And that 90% of them will be 270 crank parallel twins

[@johnnywalker3234]

Congrats Suzuki, well done. Good styling, excellent finish, great performance, comfortable, reliable. Would be tough choice between the Suzuki and the Triumph once they upgrade the suspension on it for a mid-cycle refresh. Aprilia build quality is currently worse than the Pinto was, weirdly most of the press bikes seem fine. Mine came with mismatched and loosening bolts, oil drips, overheating-as-standard, bulging and ill-fitting panels, paint drips covered by a sticker, and a headlight that partially worked. The fit and finish is the worst I've ever seen after a few months of ownership, I gave up on them. It's unfortunate because the engine is brilliant. The ownership experience would definitely have Aprilia last.

[@LordHolley]

Who decided to make this comparo?every bike here is over 600cc. Why would you not bring in the Kawasaki ninja 650? Of course, the 400 falls behind. Weird pics

[@Victimesty]

My thoughts exactly. Especially when they said at the beginning that the class is defined by Ninja 650 and CBR 650. An argument could be made for the European version of ZX-4RR, which is full 57 kW compared to 50 kW of a 650. It still wouldn´t fit in this class, but at least has the power. But bringing this 42 kW version with no torque is ridiculous. And as it´s a US and CAN only version, it seems even more cherry picked to fail.

[@tikakhatri3306]

Apparently they tested CBR and ninja 650 and Honda won. That's why

[@davidk9811]

​@@Victimestyif you guys just watched the video he explains it

[@robbloforese]

Nice review well done!

[@davmanlop333]

Last and second last place looks the best though 😂

[@Reivbv]

RS 660 is the winner for me. That bike looks amazing

[@armchairracer007]

Their only complaint about the RS660 is that it's too exciting?!

[@ThaBootyBandit]

Exactly, makes zero sense. Can be easily dailed back by putting it in commute mode. They did all the testing with it in track mode or something

[@ashwinraggs4226]

That’s what you got from the review ?! It’s more like “not the best overall package” compared to the Suzuki. That’s why it came 2nd (still not bad in my opinion)

[@armchairracer007]

​@@ashwinraggs4226If price is no issue, I don't see how the RS isn't the best overall package tho other than maybe comfort. But if you care that much about comfort you would just buy the Tuono 660

[@specialcircs]

too excitable, not exciting, very different thing, not great at lower speeds, he said

[@ThaBootyBandit]

@@specialcircs Thats when you put it in commute mode which softens the throttle quite a bit. Or you can just use the cruise control.

[@bazitube390]

The daytona looks really good i just wish they would have used the street triple chassis to give it that eazor sharp handling.

[@csikizoltan8382]

That was a comprehensive test. If it's a sports bike you want, a twin with barely 80 hp makes little sense to me. Then again, I do despise the current trend of bolting those damn twins to just about any platform, giving them a crossplane, or an irregular firing order and calling them the next step forward.

[@Farsightful]

vibrant colors, beautiful pictures.

[@LVracerGT]

It’s kind of laughable the CBR got last in the test. Most hardcore riders won’t go for the new e-clutch, and the 24 isn’t even available in the US because of it. I absolutely love my 23 CBR 650R. It’s classed as a sport instead of super sport and takes 86 octane so it’s a cheat code to a super bike IMO. I love the in-line 4 and have no problems keeping up with faster machines in my local group. The gearing is too long from the factory, and the preload is 1 setting too soft. A few upgrades and the 650R punches way above its weight.

[@LVracerGT]

Also, the 24 gets an updated TFT display with Bluetooth and Nav capabilities. The e-clutch isn’t the only thing that’s new for 24

[@yellowbearworks2535]

Somewhat surprised at the outcome of the ranking in this segment, excellent review!

[@180FiftyFive]

Take a shot every time he says "really", you'd be dead halfway through the video

[@soltantoSergio]

RS660, 183kg with liquid, 8r 205kg with liquid... more then 20kg of difference. end of the game for me.

[@samfurnos5852]

How can an inline 4 end up last in a showdown with parallel twins?? Guess, only on MCN ..

[@hstefan]

Probably because it's a underpowered bike with that inline 4 and makes zero torque compared to the twins in this test.

[@splodge57]

​@@hstefancomparing a 400 with an 800? 😂🤣

[@hstefan]

@@splodge57 It's unfair I guess

[@user-rb3jw7yj9o]

Strange because other comparisons I’ve seen CBR destroy the R7 in a drag race. Never mind the 4RR. Something smells fishy about this test…

[@Toni62R]

@@hstefan ...but its faster

[@SpacemanRick]

Love the SR-22 in the background!

[@CaffeinatedCruiser]

Personal ranking have ridden 0 of these lol Aprillia-1st Triumph-2nd Suzuki-3rd Honda-4th Kawa-5th Yam-6th

[@Steve-motorcycles]

I’d swap the Suzuki with the Honda but agree otherwise

[@sebastian8294]

We have the same big test in a great Paper Magazine after Points! Suzuki never win 😂 Aprilia Triumph Suzuki Honda Yam Kawa

[@Sir_Kuang]

You can disable the e-clutch system on the cbr entirely in a few button presses making it operate as a standard clutch setup, I do it all the time on mine. Not sure why they didnt do that here.

[@Jagknorr]

Awesome Suzuki! I really wanted a gsxs 1000 with the new wonky headlight but its sooo much power id never touch. This bike looks beautiful in my eyes and still has the neat stacked beams. 👍

[@doublet7429]

This isn't the first review of the Daytona that I've heard mentioning the lackluster cornering suspension. Glad to hear someone else confirm that.

[@snupermoto723]

The 2036 Gsx8r model will be the same bike with bold new graphics.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

I think you're speaking of your underwear in 12 years.

[@xorbe2]

Wtf is wrong with your CBR650? My CBR is so much faster off the line than my zx4rr. CBR is a refined sporty street bike, but not for track use. Ninja 650 is even faster off the line.

[@OleUnreliable]

I bought a gsx8r as my first bike and i'm loving it so far. I wanted a ninja 500, but I couldn't find one nearby. The suzuki was pricier sure, but the style and seating position sold me on it. I was a bit intimidated by the 776cc, but I am a heavier rider (230lbs) and it moves me well enough without feeling terribly fast. It is extremely easy to ride (despite the weight of it), I got some street miles in and just rode my first canyon road, It was a blast and I got comfortable after the first few corners. I do wish for a 4cyl scream, but I didn't trust myself on the highway on a gsxr 600/750.

[@SWTVENOM]

I’m also considering the 8r as a first bike but keep thinking it might be much. But then I turn to the xsr900 so that decision is no better except that it has the 6 axis imu

[@OleUnreliable]

@@SWTVENOM So far I have test ridden a ktm 390 duke and a cbr600rr after getting used to my bike and I think I made a good choice. The 8r is a great all arounder, the ktm is more comfy and lightweight. Making it a great around towner, but it doesn't have a lot of ground clearance for canyon fun and power. The 600rr is just overall brutal for a first timer. It can be done sure, but a race bike pulls attention from the road while learning the bike. I got used to my 8r in very short time and have since gone to ride on canyon roads near me without incident. Of course it leaves me wanting more power sometimes, but this will keep me from being too stupid on the street for now. I have been looking at the likes of the gsx-s750z after the fact, that xsr900 does seem like it could be a fun one tho...

[@SWTVENOM]

@@OleUnreliable yeah the XSR with the 6AXIS imu is next level tech. It helps with everything a rider does and is stupid quick for a >900Cc bike. that’s my main reason for looking at it over other bikes, plus Yamaha makes the best QS in the game aswell. I just have my learners and will try to get my full license this summer. The bike plus gear is all adding up super quick tho!

[@prof.2248]

2024: No.1 ? Suzuki 78NM at 6800rpm 205kg wet, 82HP vs 2017 BMW F800GT (Rotax engine) 86NM at 5800 rpm 213kg wet,90HP ...

[@Evanista9]

I am an 8R rider and I can’t confirm it is a phenomenal piece of machinery! Insane Torque for drag racing

[@MrH250]

I would not swap my ZX9R for any modern bike.

[@Christian-xc9bh]

1998 ZX-9r in green the best.

[@jonathanmasterson3100]

Nor would I swap my gsxr 600 .. nothing like a screaming in-line 4

[@dannyperfect9270]

What about an XSR900 GP

[@ma6netho]

@@jonathanmasterson3100 aka a sewing machine with no soul

[@jonathanmasterson3100]

@@ma6netho a gsxr 600?

[@NandanMendon-r9e]

Wht abut zx6rr??

[@gabrielmarquez7454]

I was thinking the same thing