2022 POLARIS MATRYX- ARE HEAVY DUTY TORSION SPRINGS NEEDED AND HOW TO INSTALL THEM?

This is not a drill!! This is serious information to improve your riding!
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[@jimmywoller7320]

These kinds of videos are always my favorite! Glad to hear there’s more on the way

[@JESSEJAMES322]

lots more!! Have a shipment of all suspension goodies on the way!!

[@dougwilliamson3927]

Awesome video again. I did the same thing to my sled to. It makes a big difference. Keep the help coming. Thanks.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thanks Doug!

[@gregoryh4601]

Great heads up on helping the Heavy Riders. Like the Paint Jobs done on your Shed.👍🏻

[@JESSEJAMES322]

We are here to help everyone!!

[@joestallbaum1593]

Another great vid. Thanks Jessie😃

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thanks Joe!

[@allanmudge6200]

Great video, I have just got my 22 XCR 850, I am 6 ft. 295 lbs and I ordered extra heavy springs glad I did made a world of difference in the ride and handling!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Yes you are definitely a candidate for XHD. I bet that was like a totally different sled!

[@allanmudge6200]

Yes made a big difference !!

[@JeffCarsboatsatvs]

I’m 265 and 6,3 what ones for me ?

[@KingGunde]

The HD springs are a game changer on the VR1! Good call!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Glad you took the advice! Glad youre up and moving!!

[@davidaines565]

Watched your video last night put heavy duty on today blown away by the difference. Now feels like the xcr I was expecting.

[@nicholasbarker349]

How much do you weigh if you don’t mind me ask. I’m 240. Think I’m gonna try to find a pair of HD for xcr

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Love to hear that. They are a huge difference!!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

You can absolutely benefit from HD’s. 100% recommend!

[@davidaines565]

@@nicholasbarker349 Around 230 with all my gear on. Set springs on low and clickers set at only 3 on high speed and 1 on low speed. The ride is now amazing and I took it through a really rough section of trail as hard as I could and it never bottomed . Totally different sled now.

[@nicholasbarker349]

@@davidaines565 thanks for your response. One more question. Why are your front skis set at. High and low

[@donnyb3699]

Great video Jesse! I’m still waiting 😭. Getting tempted to cancel it out and snow check a 2023. And pick up a beater for the remainder of this season.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

ah man i hate to hear that. its such a tough spot because who knows what issues will come up next year.

[@Keith63060]

Hi JJ Changed my springs ohh what a difference....first of all you feel confident in the way your riding... handling...is 💯 better..I like it sit in is better I weigh 220... thank you for the video...I do have a whine drone noise in the track ...1.35....or could be chain too tight ...checked it twice ....1300 miles now.....

[@JESSEJAMES322]

love to hear that, and probably your breaks just hanging slighty. mine whine all day every day even when im not on them

[@Keith63060]

@@JESSEJAMES322 I will find out...the whine...I never use brakes....

[@terrymunn1224]

on a used 2021 650 xc sled i bought are there Part numbers on the springs so i can find out what I have and if not can i mic the springs and contact the dealer with that info or find it online .

[@patrickmcnamar5705]

Another awesome video Jesse, thanks for sharing all the information that you do! Did you make the snowmobile lift or is that a commercially available one?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you! That is one you can buy but i do not know the brand unfortunately

[@RideFishHunt]

Great video, this isn't just for Polaris sleds. I have heavy duty ones in my arctic cat and it's a big difference. I am 215lbs. Big time game changer.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

oh all manufacturers come undersprung for sure!!

[@pow_pow.]

Found the other video's!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

These are just the tip of the ice burg of what we really did!

[@pow_pow.]

@@JESSEJAMES322 yup just finished thw limiter strap video!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

you're cruising through them!

[@oli1435]

Does this recommendation also apply to the Matryx Assault? I'm 215 lbs, 70/30 trail rider running the stock spring on high and looking for better steering. Local shop didn't recommend going with the heavy duty, warned me about the increased rebound/kick and suggested shortening the limiter strap. (This without asking my weight or how I' ride my sled.) Love your channel Jesse, keep it up!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Hey man! I would definitely recommend the HD springs. The valving on the assault will be fine. Bruce has a ton of guys on assaults with HD springs. Will help weight transfer in the corners and will keep the skis planted better!

[@teedee2236]

Yup, HD springs on my ‘20 850 XC and my ‘22 VR1 650. World of difference on bumps and keeping the skis down. Both from Southside, great shop! Just got the stop ride notice for the VR1 though, so bummed.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

such a differenence. Waiting on a call from Bruce to get details and i will release a video tomrorow

[@18jivan137]

We have the same exact sled and I am surprised that you have had such a different experience than I have. I was bottoming the FTS on some bigger stuff so I went up 3 clicks on the High speed knob and it feels great, no bottoming. Springs are both set to 2 and they are much stiffer than what is on my 2020 XC 850 so I am inclined to think that my XCR came with heavier springs like they were supposed to. Or my springs on 2020 are just that worn out... hey who knows. If this is what works for you then run it!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

FTS is extremely soft. I blew that even on the smaller stuff. The XCR this year did not come with the HD springs It has the same as the XC's and VR1's unfortunately . BUt hey im happy to hear you're happy!

[@18jivan137]

@@JESSEJAMES322 I know in the past some guys have had shocks come from walker evans with very little Nitrogen and needed to be essentially rebuilt immediately for the same reason you’re describing. It makes me wonder if you got one of those shocks but hey who knows, If you’re going to have it rebuilt I’m sure you would just revalve exactly how you want it

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Bruce has been revalving a bunch and as not seen that be an issue so i am leaning towards no but could be i guess!

[@traemiller9561]

Great info ..I was having trouble with under acceleration turning and the front end just would come enough to make turning impossible I know that my 850 matryx has crazy power delivery but it maybe to soft torsion springs now.....to much weight transfer?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

That very well could be. How much do you weigh?

[@countrylivn]

Picked up a set of HD torsion springs today for my 2023 VR1 129 after trying my buddy's 2023 XCR with HD TS yesterday. Hopefully, will help keep front skis planted. Weigh 165-170 # but add plenty to tunnel weight with Gatorade, water, and quart of 2 cycle oil so closer to 190 # for sure. Need HD TS anyway when I eventually put two up seat on. Have Velocity shocks backed off three clicks from all the way in. I know you and Bruce Sr. said adjust front springs as well but is shortening limited strap needed to keep skis planted? I have two Gold Digger studs per window. Thanks Jesse!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

yes shortening the limiter will absolutely help keep the skis planted. probably the biggest and most effectibe change youc an make!

[@maxmartz4665]

Waiting to get heavy duty springs for my 22 Indy 650 XCR

[@JESSEJAMES322]

call South side sales and service. They have them in stock. tell them i sent you!

[@maxmartz4665]

@@JESSEJAMES322 I just ordered them - thank you.

[@fxnytroxtxFPP]

Hygear makes bigger bushings for torsion springs, basically the end result of those bushings is same thing as getting hd springs for less$$$. Look them up

[@oldslow3694]

i'm 260, i put H D springs in works great, my friend is 180 standard springs he has issues so he plans on changing out

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Love to hear that! He’ll be much happier with the HD!

[@JeffCarsboatsatvs]

was it enough I’m 265 6,3 didn’t want to go with the extra heavy duty . What settin* is it on .

[@JeffCarsboatsatvs]

@@JESSEJAMES322 do you think at 265 the heavy duty ones on 3 would work?

[@JeffCarsboatsatvs]

Just thought heavy would be to stiff says 310 to 450 weight for the big ones .

[@djg1028]

So now that you have the heavy duty springs what setting will you run the springs on? Low, medium, or high?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i always start on low but will change according to how i feel and how the conditions are that day

[@SamphaTetris]

What is that hard gauntlet or handguards? I want the same ones!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

They are the ROX SPEED FX Pro Tec hang guards and the gauntlets are the ROX SPEED FX ASG Gauntlets! Best in the business! If you get the GEN-3 Flex Tec Hand gaurds the ASG gauntlets work extremely well with them. They are actually made to work with them

[@nickstock8610]

I'm 230 without gear. Thinking I may need the extra heavy or go heavy on the hard setting? Any thoughts Jesse?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

start HD on medium and go from there. You are under the XHD limit i guess youd say so i think HD will be more then fine for you!

[@hotrodsnova]

Is there a listing of spring rates and angles anywhere to review your aware of ? Thanks for the content

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i do not believe honestly. Bruce Sr has done the math but i dont think one is from polaris but i could be wrong

[@5speed330i]

22 vr1 137 850 here weigh between 170 and 180 was running medium on stock springs most of the season and was bottoming quite a bit seems like I bottom in the front and rear. Moved the stock springs to high setting and it was much better. Probably going to get the HD springs but also thinking I might need heavier springs for the FTS and the front shocks as well as valving done. What options does one have for springs on the FTS and Front shocks?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

hey Dru. so yes definitely go with teh HD in the rear. they will make a difference. The front ski springs on a VR1 are only 80 pound springs. I would recommend going with the 100 pound springs that come on the XCR from the factory. The FTS is also soft on the VR1 and i would recommend either the hygear dual rate (what i run) or a straight 150 pound spring which i have also run. Valving i also recommend and i would say to give Bruce SR at southside sales and service a call. tell him i sent you and he will get you all set up with valving and springs. Thats who does all of mine! any questions let me know

[@wadechrisman]

So I noticed you have your front ski springs tightened down pretty good. My vr1 came from the dealer with the adjuster rings as far as they can be up. We're they supposed to have more preload from the factory?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I am not sure with the VR1's as they have a different shock and spring set up. Check out your owners manual they will give you the minimum and maximum preload they allow. Im sure youll be able to run yours down some more though

[@Pfanny_John]

Is that the 1.6” track? How do you like it? Thinking about picking up an XCR 136 with the 1.6 for snowcheck this spring.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

no this is the 1.35. the 1.6 is a great track though.

[@eightpilot]

Mounting bolts are in backwards. Flange nuts go on the inside.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

They do not. The front torque are bolts go outside in. The rears go inside out

[@BCJ371]

Great video. Have a set ready for my VR1. Not sure why polaris thinks the average male weighs 150lbs.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Im not really sure either because that is not the case...

[@mike420fan]

I need the extra heavy but can't find so mite end up going with HD 🤷‍♂️

[@user-ho1bz1ob2y]

I have a set of extra heavy duty’s with 200 miles on them. $220.

[@user-ho1bz1ob2y]

I’m in southern Vt

[@JESSEJAMES322]

call SouthSide Sales and Service. tell them i sent you and they will get you set up!

[@mike420fan]

@@JESSEJAMES322 thing is I got a 2015 switchback pro s 800 deakee saying they can't find them and don't think they make them for my axys chassis 😢

[@tughillx-treme6216]

I just bought a 2022 xcr and need to change the torsion springs per your suggestion. I am a very aggressive rider when trails get rough. we know how fast they break down up in tug hill. especially up by flat rock I weigh about 190. should i go with the extra heavy duty springs or just heavy duty. Thanks

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I would recommend the regulat Heavy Duty not the extra heavy duty BUT i would HIGHLY recommend getting your shocks revalved by Bruce from SouthSide. The Factory valving inside the shock was not even close to where it needed to be. Any questiosn on that let me know!

[@tughillx-treme6216]

@@JESSEJAMES322 Thank you for the info. i will definitely look up his info and reach out to him and get my shocks done also. all 4 of the shocks you recommend. Thanks again. see you on the trails.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

So this video (link at the end of my comment) should answer any and all questions you have! i 100 % recommend the rears and maybe a set of springs for the front ski shocks as the valving was not horrible in them. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3-mqniYqJp-nrs

[@bowana9889]

Great video as usual. I have a Rear Torsion spring kit on order. Part # 2884974 and the details say it has 3 springs with it so I am assuming one is for the front track shock but no idea as to what it is? Dual rate or 1 large coil. Dealer could not answer the question so it will be interesting to see what shows up. Do you have a part number for the front track shock you install? Thanks from Saskatchewan, Canada 🇨🇦

[@JESSEJAMES322]

That part number is just the rear two springs. not too sure why its saying 3... The FTS will be the same shock just valved differently from Bruce. I will be changing FTS spring though which i will have details on in a later video!

[@asyfbzv]

@@JESSEJAMES322 on the CDN website link it says under: Overview & Specs, that it includes front and rear track springs so that is what got me thinking that the front track shock spring is included. Guess I will find out next week as they are supposed to be available Jan 29th. Thanks for the quick response and keep the videos coming.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

keep me posted on that because ive never heard of that! anytime!

[@RobertSeemann]

Did you get Stop Ride email from Polaris due to a throttle issue? I received one this evening.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

video coming tomorrow

[@darrrenbetker4266]

just so everyone is aware these arnt cheap. bought a set of hd from a 23 xcr and installed em on my 23 vr1 boost and they were $455 cdn

[@JESSEJAMES322]

gotta pay to play unfortunately

[@bigmurph1447]

I seen a new polaris with the throttle broke already.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

and ive seen 3 skidoos with blown motors already

[@bigmurph1447]

@@JESSEJAMES322 dam hope mine don't blow up lol. I got a 600 she built like a 12v cummins.

[@nicholasbarker349]

Looks like south side is sold out of the HD spring unfortunately

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I got the call last night that they have sold out. They got an influx of calls after this video and they unfortunately sold out. Sorry about that

[@nicholasbarker349]

@@JESSEJAMES322 no worries. thanks for all your work you do with these videos

[@russmoulton8781]

Why not adjust your compression?

[@robertwilcox5844]

Yeah I’m also interested. Isn’t spring for sag and compression for bottoming?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

shocks are for dampening, not ride height and supporting the weight of you and the sled. Yes you can run the clickers in and it will stiffen it up but if the springs are too soft there is not amount of clicks that will help you. This is a known thing that polaris trail sleds come under sprung. Its extremely noticeable. These HD springs changed the entire sled (in a good way). If you are so under sprung there is no shocks out there that will work how they are suppoesed too

[@jamesvitale7132]

It's a problem with all sleds.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

completely agree. and we knew it would be an issue this year but needed to try out the stock stuff to see how it worked

[@justinsnyder6256]

Your dealer should set you up with the correct springs at delivery.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

many dealers do not get involved with their customers like they should. Some do but most do not! But I agree

[@chrisparol1345]

Dealer should sit you on it and setup sag. My girlfriends vr1 came with no preload on the front ifs which was sagged at 2.6 inches now I have 1.5 inches of free sag after putting an 1.6 inches of preload in the springs. There was 6.5 on the rear after making the fts to its minimum of 1.75 inches and the tortions at high it is 4.5" and now rideable and not pushing. No wonder people die on these brand new sleds the first or second trip. Polaris should also put in their manual proper sag and ride heights instead it's just a vague min, max setup. They claim they don't want liability so they leave it out.

[@Michael426]

Definitely looking into these! Be nice to keep my sled from sagging so much when my fat ass gets on her! 🤣

[@JESSEJAMES322]

ah sure youre fine! HD will help thoiugh!!!

[@jeremy7923]

....and now... a stop ride order. 😡😡

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i know i know