DARTING! DOES YOUR SNOWMOBILE DART GOING DOWN THE TRAIL? HERE IS HOW TO FIX IT AND WHAT TO LOOK FOR!

[@snomofilms]

Always measure to the OUTSIDES of each carbide bolt, this way you can hook your tape measure on it. Plus 1/8” still applies the same way. Way more consistent than your buddy who’s 4 beers in looking to see if your tape is in the exact center of the carbide bolt. Ask me how I know 😂

[@JESSEJAMES322]

for sure agree! we just like to give the benefit of the doubt!!!! ive built some cool stuff 4+ bevs in!!

[@MPJohnny5]

Nice was thinking if bolts are set down too low into ski maybe trying a 3/8 all threaded rod coupling with a short piece of 3/8 threaded rod to extend up higher and have something hook onto. And measure from left side to left side on the rod same thing as center to center

[@hondafreak8613]

@@MPJohnny5I could use that. 03 AC sit below edge of ski

[@JJ_MTB_15]

I've got a lot to look at on my ZR7000. It had single runners when I got it and it was a dangerous level of darting. I put on 6" woody's slim jims and it doesnt dart at all but you can't make a turn under power to save your life, it will push right through the corner and off the trail. I'm going to start with center shock preload and possibly switch to Curve XS or C&A's with a single runner and some sort of navigator. Good video.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

always lots to look at!

[@xcpilot618]

Tried the navigators during our Yellowstone trip last Feb. They stopped doing the job when the temps were going up and down every day. They worked fine on groomed trails, as soon as there was some melting and freezing they were NFG. Buddy using slim jims had no problem. Both were Polaris VR's.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i dont care what you use across the board at some point there will be a better option. navigators help with darting they dont cure it. additionally did you set your toe properly on the sled with the navigators? if not then taht makes sense why they didnt help. TOE as specified in this video is the #1 reason for darting. The other add ons help reduce it but if its not set properly to start with youre fightinga loosing battle

[@joelaichner3025]

My solution to darting or tracking , 1/8 inch of toe in , 3 to 5 degrees of positive chamber , and the most important thing of all ? SLYDOG SKIS , 8 inch Powder Hounds , 10 inch carbines , and I’m a trail rider , learn and see how the bottoms work & look , best. Skis I ever had ! And I ride on Wild side ! Welcome to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan ! 144 inch switchback , SLP Performance Edition Motor , MEEP MEEP ! You see snow dust ! Let go of the handle bars at 100 mph , tracks dead straight , p.s. No Studs , sometimes you need some extra or want some extra slide , brake early ! Fast out is always Quicker

[@JESSEJAMES322]

everyone has their setups!!

[@joelaichner3025]

The biggest thing , I’ve tried every ski , the Slydogs impress me the most , the 8 inch powder hounds , only 3/4 of an inch wider than stock skis , but the 1 1/4 keel , and the way they grab snow in the front and channel it to the center , that’s SLY ,

[@joelaichner3025]

I’ve sold people a lot of almost new skis in the past , but none to my Buddies , to them , I recommend Slydogs , they didn’t have the assault tapered back , ski when I got mine , but my Son likes them

[@jamesnurkka4006]

@@joelaichner3025the powder hound is ok for off trail better on trail but it has nothing on the Attack. The Attack is the best ski I’ve ever used it’s phenomenal on trail and off!!!

[@dustinfilliater7718]

Screw an all thread coupling onto the carbide studs, gets you above the sides of ski and a surface to hook your tape measure on. Takes the eye balling out of it.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

agreed!

[@Eric-s5f4z]

Thanks for posting the small details of this procedure very helpful 👍

[@JESSEJAMES322]

happy to help! thanks for watching!

[@ChristopherDavis-dp9mk]

Excellent video. Going to check my sled before my first ride this year. I was lucky enough this past Saterday to mee both yourself and Bruce a the Mass sled expo. Keep the great advice coming and best of luck to you in your race season this year Jesse.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you for the support! appreciate it!

[@mr.miraclemantm.6455]

Nice video guys. My first ride many, many, many moons ago, lol, was a 69 Scorpion. The engine sat on top of the tunnel up high. The front end was light. I remember having to hang off and lean on the side you wanted it to go. I didn`t ride for alot of years, then got a Yamaha Exciter 1. It handled pretty good. The next machine was a Yamaha Exciter 2 that also handled real well. I should`ve kept it. The next one was a Yamaha V Max 600. The engine was way up front and very low and it had a short track, a one-up sled. That thing was ALL over the trail because the front was soooo heavy compared to the other sleds I owned. I bought as wide as possible metal ski that was flat. They were from a different manufacturer, but I made them work. It took most of the darting out. And if I had a smaller person riding with me, no darting. I know a longer track would have helped. I think everyone just made the fronts too heavy. Take care

[@JESSEJAMES322]

the old iron is very different from todays sleds! but the same theory still worked for them to regarding toe. we set our sleds up with insane ski pressure and i get 0 darting due to these little tips and tricks! make sure to head over to 322threads.com and get some merch to get entered into the giveaway!

[@mr.miraclemantm.6455]

@@JESSEJAMES322 Thanks for responding. I struggle to remember if I set it up for toe out or toe in like a car. I think the Yamaha dealer probably told me to do toe out. However, I can`t pull up that part of our conversation, yet. My earliest memory is at about 6 months old in the city park with all the sounds and smells. I was on sensory overload! The birds, wind, butterflies, dogs barking, kids laughing, the smell of the grass, cars honking their horns, THEN I remember, with a flash-back of being in the womb, hearing only liquidly swooshing sounds, seeing the sun come through my moms belly, bumping elbows with my 2 brothers, and for the life of me, I can`t remember if the Yama-dealer told me toe in or toe out!!! lol Take care snomo-brothers!

[@terrymunn1224]

Do you find just the addition of the navigator helps much or do you have another recommendation to eliminate it or lessen darting suash as bergstrom or dually's

[@JESSEJAMES322]

the navigators do help! they create a flat surface for the carbide to go over!

[@weslawrence5055]

I know you boys are sponsored / backed up what ever…. I have not tried the c&a ski setup yet. But the stockers with bergstrom triple points work pretty amazing too. Shims carbides and ski savers run $400 Canadian with our ridiculous tax. Worth every penny imo. I’d love to compare the c&a and triple points / stock set up w/ you guys see what ya think. But after buying my new to me 23 xcr can’t afford over a grand for new c&a with carbides. Yes I priced them. Yes I’m Canadian. And yes that’s the price to put on my machine with again the triple Points.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

weve touched on it many times regarding stock skis. Bruce likes the pro steers witha good carbide. i even like them but 9 times out of 10 the C&A will out perform the stock ski. does not mean the stock ski is junk but we like to promote how to get the best handling sled and that is with upgraded skis

[@BruceMacAulay]

you guys have any great tips here for adjusting RRSS on VR1 650, PLEASE!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

im not following what RRSS means

[@BruceMacAulay]

@@JESSEJAMES322 ...sorry I meant to say the Rear Scissor Stops? how to know what is High or Low setting? Thanks

[@kb9844]

whats ya thoughts on the igrip screws.....i have the 1.6 cobra an like to add a little traction for icey spots..... just seems a good safty practice to add the tunnel protectors whe ya altering that track.. good vedios thanks

[@JESSEJAMES322]

they are ok for that type of safety . they do not hook like traditional studs and I would recommend going with a woodys traction product. If you do them you do need to install tunnel protectors

[@franknorwoodnorwood4418]

Does anyone know whether or not the Woody's Navigator will work on an older Yamaha? Are they so specific that they will only work on the sleds listed? I see nothing on their website for a 2005 Warrior. My wife is having darting issues and I want to do everything I can to keep her on the trail with me.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

if they do not have it listed then i guess they dont make them. Please check Toea

[@hondafreak8613]

Could the Track rear idler/tensioner wheel bearings that have play cause Darting?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

nope. caused in the front of the sled for sure!

[@hondafreak8613]

@@JESSEJAMES322 nice. Thanks man.

[@hondafreak8613]

Fixed the darting on 03 Cat by taking ski rubber spun it 180° and reinstall. Very hard to get bolt through. Was like a whole different sled. Now carbide runner sits flat instead of noise diving

[@JESSEJAMES322]

yea the rubber needs to add heel pressure to the ski

[@WiscoSledheads]

Hope to see you walking around at Haydays! Will be there both days!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

you as well! ill be there! make sure to head over to 322threads.com and get some merch so i can pick you out of the crowd and to get entered into the giveaway!!

[@joelaichner3025]

The Herters hooked me , and my Polaris reels you in , middle of winter , sign on my door says ? Back Later , Gone Fishin’ !

[@JESSEJAMES322]

nice!

[@MPJohnny5]

Nice enjoy Haydays always wanted to make it out there hopefully you make it out the Eppings grass drags with upstate it’s a blast out there i go every year

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I plan on being at epping also!!

[@Urbansnowmobiler]

HayDays hell ya 🤘🏻 I’ll see ya there, can’t wait. You should bring Bruce with ya the man the myth the legend 😉

[@JESSEJAMES322]

hell be with me! i think i said that! head over and buy some merch so i know who my peeps are!!

[@scottterry6877]

I may have missed it but hoping you told people to properly align their track first before laying the straight edge on it - or you are measuring to a track that is not rolling straight down the centerline. To keep my handlebars straight and not moving - I use two ratchet straps hooked on bar ends to the end of running boards. You secure those straps while measuring the distance from end of handlebar to end point of running boards. Distance should be same on each side and you know they are straight. Polaris needs to make the adjustment for tie rod in accessible location and not under a rubber boot.

[@LiamG903]

Super helpful information as always

[@JESSEJAMES322]

thank you!

[@kevinmulkin3002]

Thanks for the help trying to get our darting issues taken care of. Been fortunate that my local dealer tried to dial in my sled a few years ago when I purchased new ( Assault 144 ). Only minor, but will make suggested checks and adjustments to make it better. Also hope to run into you at the Big East Power show. Missed you last year, but did have a great meeting and a discussion with Levi Lavallee. Keep the content coming!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thanks Kevin! always happy to help. Make sure to help back and get entered into the giveaway. Helps me out tremendously! Make sure to keep an eye out for me ill be there!!!

[@dmtadventures7044]

1/8” total toe out or 1/8” toe out per ski?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

total.

[@detsner]

What do you and Bruce recommend for carbide for a 850 SKS 146"? Woody's is recommending EXTENDER TRAIL III 4" CARBIDE for trail and mountain riding. No studs in the track. Other options from Woody's are Trail Blazer IV 6", Ace 6" and Ace 4". Any experience with these?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

what kind of riding are you doing? Trail?

[@detsner]

@@JESSEJAMES322 60-70% trail. But in Norway none of the trails are groomed, so the conditions vary a lot from bumpy single track trails to wide open lakes, both with and without any tracks.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

woodys mavericks are what we use and live by. I would most likely tell you to get them!

[@Ericsnowmobiler]

Have been thinking of trying navigators for this reason. Got tired of the push with doolys but don’t like darting either. Do they make navigators for C&A’s? If so I’m doing it this year.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

yea doolys will push for sure. have you checked Toe? that is #1 contributing factor to darting. and unfortunateky they do not make one for the C&A yet but im working on that! make sure to head over to 322threads.com and get some merch to get entered into the giveaway!

[@Ericsnowmobiler]

@@JESSEJAMES322 yeah I’ve checked toe but might be too much, I think I set it at 1/4” not 1/8”. Have also switched to C&A’ which seem to have better heal pressure. It’s nothing terrible I’m just trying to get it at almost nothing and still rail in the corners

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Oh you did switch! I got ya now. So yes their runners have WAY more heel pressure which helps a lot. If your toe is set. Check the bushings like we talked about in this video. There is definitely no way to get rid of all of It. Once in a while depending on snow conditions I will get a little bit rarely

[@tonyholliday6492]

Perfect timing. Great info

[@JESSEJAMES322]

thanks for watching! this was a good one!

[@leodurivage4411]

Another great vid. Waiting for snow.😊

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you! waiting for snow here too! make sure to get some merch from 322threads.com to get entered in the giveaway! helps us out a ton!

[@xcpilot618]

Maybe I missed it, first step line the track up mucho perfect.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i mean yes but it wont make a huge difference, would have to be off a large amount to really make a difference up front!

[@snomofilms]

Jesse got his work Crocs on 😂. safety second!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

always second!!! did you get some merch and get entereed?!!!

[@hoyt15flhtk82]

Good informative video THANKS!!!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thanks for watching!!

[@hoyt15flhtk82]

Although I'm a 4-stroke rider with a trail sled from a manufacturer I didn't see in your video line-ups. Many things are very similar if not identical by design. With the instructions and examples your giving easily used for most makes/models similar in years of manufacture. Thanks for the reply back cause I couldn't remember your channel name and forgot to subscribe. That's is all taken care of now, THANKS and look forward to going back thru your archives to watch some more videos. I'm new to the sport and lacking in maint knowledge for certain things.

[@gordonmckay914]

Tie the ends of the handlebars to the running boards with tie downs.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

could do that too!

[@rotor676]

Thx for sharing, very useful info

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you! figured this was one everyone would enjoy! make sure to head over to 322threads.com and get some merch to get entered into the giveaway!

[@reesesalen5033]

Do you and Bruce re-pack the grease in certain bearings? I noticed that was not included in the summer maintenance video. Based on what I read that is just as important as everything else mentioned

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Hey Reese. So yes we do. We talked about the entire sled of this off season maintenance video and I put the link below. We touch on just about everything kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6Lbm2mHpainqsU

[@troysalen1426]

I believe Reese might be referring to jackshaft bearing behind secondary clutch. Know they have been a failure point and do not have grease fitting.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

video is coming where we go over JUST that jackshaft bearing

[@LiamG903]

Woukd be great if you made them on canada, love your products but you really have to start making as many things as possible in Canada. Especially as you rise in the price point. Let me know what boots are made in Canada please

[@JESSEJAMES322]

not sure if i am following what you are talking about

[@LiamG903]

@@JESSEJAMES322 lmao, this was meant to be a comment on another companies product line. A Canadian company but a bunch of their products are made in China. Makes sense why you wouldn't get it

[@JESSEJAMES322]

ahhhh that makes sense! i was very confused

[@LiamG903]

@@JESSEJAMES322 I'm was laughing picturing you reading it. The fuck this guy on about

[@JESSEJAMES322]

HAHAHAHA I had to reread It like 8 times because im like what am I missing here

[@zdoggrs]

My polaris owners manual says 1/81-1/41 of toe. Haha how the hell is your average joe supposed to measure that? 🤣🤣

[@JESSEJAMES322]

go by what we say. thats a number you can measure!

[@darrrenbetker4266]

or just buy snowtrackers and be done. big fan jesse

[@JESSEJAMES322]

not the same boss man! snowtrackers with proper toe would be even better! Never settle, always shoot for the best!!! Support and get some merch at 322threads.com! helps us big time over here!

[@chuckdonal2759]

Wheelies at hay days?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

You know it!

[@jeremygould492]

Dual skags

[@JESSEJAMES322]

they help but sled shouldnt dart period if set up properly as explain in this video