2022 Subaru Outback Showdown - Onyx XT vs. Wilderness - What's the Difference?

[@roberthoovan4130]

This is one way to get people to look at Subarus outbacks I don’t even have kids and I’m looking at it

[@Melvin-belvin]

THANK YOU!! I think you’re the only one that has these two models side by side

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

🙌🏻🙌🏻 I got you!

[@dankramer7840]

Great review. The Wilderness would be absolutely perfect if Subaru would offer it with the upgraded premium Harmon Kardan sound system as an available OPTION. Please Subaru? Are you listening? Most Wilderness buyers would gladly order the HK sound system if available!

[@markporcile6404]

Just at the dealership, they said they would be able to add on as a additional package.

[@hanswolff4539]

Perhaps they were thinking Wilderness Edition is designed for a rugged audience, so why bother with thee extra premium sound system that will only bring it to a closer price range of the Limited/Touring.

[@markporcile6404]

Yes, I agree with that thought process plus it also saves weight staying with the stock sound system there is added subwoofer in the boot of the car. Also I believe it take up the space of the one cubby hole as well so they are also looking out for how much space you have to haul your overland gear

[@markporcile6404]

I can not wait to get mine !

[@jessejames1649]

i was hoping after 2020, Subaru would pick up on the 'listening to customers' part about available options and add ons, and just an overall more personal Subaru experience, yet here we are.... I would rather pay and be able to customize as much as possible from factory with no 3rd party dealings yet....another year and I'm passing up on buying a Subaru again

[@SM-McKraken]

I have the '22 Outback Onyx Edition XT and the big difference between the two is luxury vs ruggedness. The Wilderness, having the lower final drive ratio (which is off-road focused) and the off-road ready Geolander tires, is going to be louder and less refined on highways (tire noise and engine noise are more noticeable in the Wilderness at hwy spds) and during most any sporty, paved-road endeavors. The Onyx XT is, on the otherhand, a smooth and quiet experience at 80+mph hwy and smooth and supple over rough city/dirt roads, and in general more refined. But while the XT can go where most mid-size SUV's can go, the Wilderness will go even further and over rougher, ragged terrain. So it comes down more to lifestyle than anything else. Which is more important to you, luxury ride with serious off road chops? Or serious off road chops that means a rougher, louder less refined ride on pavement? It's all about where you need to go and how you want to get there.

[@boxsterman77]

I think you provided the premiere explanation between the two.

[@SlimReaper95]

& what if I want both? Do I get the Onyx & modify it with what I like about the wilderness?

[@randthompson5716]

I ordered a new car in May. I passed on the Wilderness mainly due to the final drive ratio & fuel consumption. In my case, its not justifiable. I do have to do off road, but my current Premium is more than adequate for my needs. The Onyx bump in hp will take care of any slight shortcomings. The big thing is they are both on the global architecture, its such a major difference over Gen5 imo. Like the salespeople say "there's a butt for every seat". Mine in the Onyx. Thx for the very well done vid 👍

[@SM-McKraken]

Beyond the difference in drive ratio and fuel economy, the performance diff is noticeable. As is the luxury aspect. The Onyx XT will be more refined on pavement, especially highways, and the XT's extra HP is quite noticeable in passing and other sporting endeavors. The Wilderness is a more rugged beast, and it's lower final drive ratio and Geolander tires means a louder highway experience due to engine noise and tire noise. For all their simularities they are actually suited to two very different drivers. And that's actually pretty cool.

[@matthewwain9958]

@@SM-McKraken I can say that the road noise isn't even a concern on a wilderness. It is super comfortable, takes rough road well, and is still excellent on the highway for long trips. I've been incredibly impressed with it. Minor niggles I have are thing like the rough re-starting with the engine auto-off/on feature, and that you can't seem to turn off the fake gearing. Other than that, it's a solid car tbh.

[@Skunked68]

Retired and moved off gravel+long driveway. Drive few miles annually now. I think upgrade 2016 Outback to Wilderness in several years. Economy not notable at 4,000 miles per year, but the extra get up and quickly go due to gearing change will be definitely noticeable. Standard XT is powerful, but takes awhile to really kick in and go, I was a little disappointed in that. Only the geyser blue with all that black trim for me. I wait and see if they offer upgraded stereo and heated steering wheel. You’d think for "outdoorsy" they’d have heated steering wheel standard already.

[@joesuzuki1631]

I have the 2020 onyx. Never been happier. I was intrigued by the wilderness but when I saw it live, it is way too fancied up. I prefer the more understated onyx!

[@serenityinsilence]

I just got my outback premium yesterday. I passed on an xt because I wanted the best possible fuel milage. My lead foot would kill the gas milage with a turbo under the hood. Learned my lesson with an ecoboost f150. I just wish subaru offered a blackout package for those who don't want the xt, but still want the black wheels and trim.

[@bakedinspiration]

The black trim will be available for the non XT trims in 2023. Also I have a 2020 2.5 as well. I get 29 mpg on road trips lol.

[@1hotahi964]

Have had our 2022 Premium since March, already looking to upgrade to the Onyx. When the wife actually complains about the 2.5 not getting out of its own way you know it a dog!

[@alexanderperry7821]

I love the idea of the Wilderness as alternative to a body on frame SUV for those who want just a bit more capability than a standard Outback but who don't want to make all of the on-road sacrifices of a body on frame SUV like a 4Runner. That said, what's an example of a situation where someone would really benefit from the additional .8" of clearance and the slightly revised final drive but wouldn't need the increased articulation and 4 Low on a truck-based SUV? In my mind these situations would be exceedingly rare. The standard Onyx XT (or Outdoors in Canada) should be able to do nearly everything the Wilderness can, and for those trickier situations where the Wilderness is really necessary, you can either pick a different line, or you should be using a truck. I'm torn because while I like the idea of the Wilderness, I think it needs to add a 4 Low and a locking-diff to be truly a step up on capability.

[@irwingoldzweig]

Excellent video comparison. I like the looks of the Wilderness but don't plan on roughing it. I'm an in town driver. Is it ridiculous to get the Wilderness just based on the looks and the extra ground clearance?

[@Nihil0s]

Exactly. The people buying a wilderness are mostly doing it for the appearance and/or because they don't realize it's not all that much better off-road.

[@TheHackettMan]

​@@Nihil0s I'm buying a outback soon and this is my thought. Maybe if I was constantly on unpaved roads but I'm not, and I agree the onyx (or limited etc ) can do pretty much anything the wilderness can do. I don't see a reason to buy for the .1% scenario that the wilderness can do and the non wilderness cannot

[@andyyuhas7471]

Picked up my Wilderness 6/30, and I'm so happy. Thanks for the comparison, great to see more info coming out on the new model!

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Congrats, Andy! Enjoy your new Outback! 🥳

[@Dabomb457]

How is the sound system? Is it pretty acceptable? This is the only thing holding me off from buying one.

[@BrytonW]

Very tempted by the Wilderness but I don't like the lower fuel efficiency. That being said I think the roof rails on the Wilderness make so much more sense for cargo.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Yeah the roof rails are great!

[@evoman44]

The reason the Wilderness has lower fuel economy is because it has a lower final drive ratio to produce more torque. It also has a different transmission tune to further make good use of it.

[@skiparkcityut]

@@evoman44additionally the tires are off road tires with much more rolling resistance on the wilderness. The wilderness does sip a lot more fuel especially highway driving

[@ScbyPwr]

The difference in mpg between the two models is from the difference in final drive ratio. It's shorter than the Onyx to aid in power delivery and trail prowess.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Correct! Thanks for watching, Brian!

[@roberthenry9319]

If trail prowess is your goal, get a horse.

[@BlueOvals24]

Wilderness for looks, Onyx for functionality. You're still going to need to upgrade the skid plate with the Wilderness, may as well get an Onyx and have less bolts to remove. The Wilderness just doesn't have anything that a little bit of aftermarket upgrades can't fix on an Onyx.

[@johnkkkj]

You are discounting the final drive ratio is different, in addition the shocks are much more beefy. The roof rails hold 700 pounds! Eyesite is adjusted for the increased height. So no you can't make an Onyx a Wilderness you can make some changes but what the hell are you going to do with the roof? What about the low end gearing made for crawling what about that? And to top if off you are going to get new rims just to put the all terrain tires that come as standard. You can't get the same colors on the Onyx. The cladding is different, and how about that anti glare hood. Comes with skid plates, yes after market is better but still extra expense. the seats have a different material for easy cleaning feels like leather but it's not. In short you will spend a lot of money and not get close to what the Wilderness is, and what is next? Go and get the Wilderness badge and put it on the Onyx? Why spend more money? And still not get a Wilderness!

[@johnkkkj]

@@BlueOvals24 Dude the final drive minimal difference makes the Wilderness not only more off road capable but the Zero to 60 is faster. What you are saying makes no sense! What you want to do will be much more expensive than the Wilderness and dare I say it will not be as good. But go head spend the extra money and make the Onyx a Wilderness this is just daydreaming nonsense. Why not just get a Wilderness from the getgo and save money and have the final gearing. You are too dismissive of everything the Wilderness is that the Onyx is not. Your entire argument is born of fantasy if you think you are going to get a cheaper Wilderness from an Onyx. You sound like you have buyers remorse and now dismissing everything about the Wilderness, and spending more money to try to equal it. You will not have the final drive go look at the Wilderness off road videos and see for yourself.

[@johnkkkj]

@@BlueOvals24 Your on cloud 9 and that is ok for you! It's a waste of time talking to you. I never said anyone buys and Outback for 0-60! I said it is faster than your Onyx that you are trying very hard to make it seems like the Wilderness is not all that. Keep trying! Your Onyx will never be a Wilderness period! BYE!

[@johnkkkj]

Oh and get your Wilderness Cladding while you are at hit....ROTFLMAO!

[@johnkkkj]

@@BlueOvals24 I think the Onyx or any Subaru for that matter are great cars. I just think that if you want the Wilderness type than it is wiser just to get the damn thing instead of paying more after market parts and spend more than you would if you get the Wilderness. Some things you just can't do, and if it doable it is going to be very costly. Like how the hell are you going to have 700lb static roof loading capacity what are you going to do weld your car? What about approach and departure angles? Are you going to hacksaw your Onyx?? What about the wheels and tires, your going to ditch them and put on the 17" and get the Geolanders? How much is going to cost you? And don't forget two more things, you need to give it a lift, have the eyesite readjusted as well. So please tell me where we are on price now? The final drive ratio not only gets you better crawling but also gets you faster 0-60. Cobb used to make a device that you could just plug into the ECU and make these changes. If you are going to do anything check with COBB Tuning . com I can vouch for them. But don't know if they are still doing the accessport for the outbacks. check with them it is possible to get the final drive ratio if, big if the CVT is not different in the Wilderness. I don't know this info you need to ask around, however if it is just a new mapping possibly you can get the same final ratio with an ECU flash. Just know you are kissing your MPG goodbye! The one thing we are in complete agree on is after market skid plates are simply better. That I give you and I plan on going this rout myself. But to take an Onyx and just do all these mods on it thinking it is cheaper, and in the end it is not quite the same thing. Just dismissing everything Subaru did or run to get mods just to say aha is not serving you well. The Onyx was the jewel in your eye, let it stay that way. It's a fine ride. Doing all these mods is not going to be cheaper trust me I modified the poop out of a Forester XT even hat the stock STI mufflers on it at on point. This is a money pit! Also don't forget your warranty you keep messing with stuff you might be on the bad end of things. This is a risk you should consider. We are both in the Subie family in the end.

[@broncofun5636]

This is a great and detailed comparison video - I also appreciate the lack of snark.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

You may be taking Car reviews too seriously, my dude! Glad you enjoyed the video though

[@mariod9290]

I Just Bought 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness, and I'm Loving it.

[@Databyter]

The Mileage difference is mostly because of the final gearing. The lift of course is also a factor. But when you lower the ratios it means the motor has to fire more times at the same speed. This is the factor that makes the difference.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

For sure! Thanks for watching!

[@DavGreg]

The tires also contribute to the loss of the already marginal mileage.

[@Databyter]

@@DavGreg True story although they aren't too bad for AT's'. They are relatively light. I'm throwing on KO2's, so it will make more difference in my rig.

[@johnnybgood7812]

Love the look of the Wilderness but, for my needs at least, it’s OTT. We don’t get offered that model here in the U.K. but even so I went for the “Touring” over the more off road looking “black” spec “Field” model. I like that the Outback is a discrete 4WD whilst being as, or even more, capable than many SUV’s that are more show than go.

[@TommyBlazeHD]

@3:02 Not because of the suspension, but the main factor is the shorter gearing in the transmission. Trans can transverse a 40% grade due to this different gearing.

[@GatorShawn]

The MPG differences is partially because of the lift, but mostly because of the change in gearing and final drive ratio. That's why the highway MPG is impacted the most.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Good point, Shawn! It has a noticeable acceleration boost

[@jakemccoy]

What does the change in gearing and final drive ratio do? Like, why would somebody want that? Not a rhetorical, I don’t know.

[@xxxliqu1dxxx]

@@jakemccoy More torque available when you need it, so less efficient on highways.

[@randthompson5716]

More torque. Same engine. Onyx 0 to 60 is 6.1 seconds. Wilderness 0 to 60 is 5.8 seconds

[@michaelcollins2473]

Good review. Nice to see the difference between these 2. I think you pretty much covered it!

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Thanks for watching, Michael!

[@mamounalnasr2469]

I would love an extra inch of ground clearance on my Subaru. More importantly, I thing the manufacturer should some how try to upgrade their cvt gears with those Toyota has with the launch gear. Thank you for posting.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Thanks for watching!

[@rainaladines8765]

Onyx xt is enough for me. I just added more rugged tires.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

There you go!

[@younggun9956]

What tires did you go with? I'm looking for a set before winter. Thanks in advance

[@Driver732]

Great video, thank you for comparing the two side by side. I like the Wilderness.

[@rdh5961]

Very comprehensive review and well done. Now, would you rather have a Touring or Wilderness? When you add the sunroof, they're about the same price

[@customfitment9396]

I do love the front grill on the wilderness and roof rails ,May be a swap out . I really like the black head liners and eyes sight trim on the wilderness as well

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

That’s my favorite part too… the blacked out interior is 😮‍💨

[@kingofall9262]

I really wanted to like the onyx xt outback due to better sound speaker, memory seat and heated steering wheel but the wilderness just looks way better and actually has an aggressive look vs the onyx whose just a car for grocery shopping lol. Both cars are great though.

[@thebeachyblonde]

wait a minute…memory seats?! I have a 2023 Onyx XT and mine doesn’t have memory seats 😢

[@Jeep482]

I love everything about that Wilderness package EXCEPT all of those copper accents.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Yeah that’s why I said you either love it or hate it. I think they should make it an optional package, like a $100 add on that way people can get it without lol

[@benlittlechilds1192]

I might be the only one, but I'm not a fan of the bumper/cladding going right to the headlights and tail lights on the Wilderness.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Nothing wrong with that! An opinion is an opinion, Ben! Thanks for watching

[@benlittlechilds1192]

@@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville It's a great review! I'm in the market for buying one of these next month...looking at the dark grey model at the moment....just wish those tires/wheels were a tad bigger:)

[@roberthenry9319]

You most definitely are not the only one. The Wilderness cladding makes it look like a big go-cart.

[@michaelschneider-]

Oh sure, each Outback model has the weak CVT. .. Offroad the CVT is weak! .. Subaru offer a manual gearbox for all Outback model trims. Our 2020 Outback XT Touring w/CVT is a dream on roadways.. Offroad, Snow or otherwise the CVT sucks big time. Cheers, Vail, Colorado

[@MudAlvi]

Great job! Can we get a touring vs wilderness comparison also?

[@bubbalo3388]

Yeah the touring is pretty much fully loaded and when you add basically a sunroof package option to the Wilderness they are pretty close in price with the Wilderness being about $800 dollars more. Basically the only major differences are that the Touring will have leather vs the water resistant material in the Wilderness, Touring has ventilated seats and not available in Wilderness, Wilderness has taller springs which gives it a better ride and off the beaten path but not so great vs the Touring, Wildernes will have a skid plate as standard and lastly the Wilderness will have air powerful engine with different gearing but mpg will be sacrificed. You can although get the Touring with a turbo but that will jack the price to about the mid 40's.

[@BoleDaPole]

Why no 360 camera? That would be great for trails

[@missys]

Thank you for doing this video. I've been shopping for one of these two and you just helped me finalize my decision.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Glad I could help, Missy! Thanks for watching

[@catalin6819]

so....what is it?

[@missys]

@@catalin6819 I pick up my outback onyx XT tomorrow. 😊

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

Nice review ! Other than no available HK sound system , do either of these come available with heated steering wheel as well ? I also saw another video that explains that some bean counters at Subaru have made the hood prop a cheap metal rod in place of the spring type supports ??

[@NothingMaster]

Excellent comparison/review!

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Thank you!

[@yungerallenelectricalcontr6415]

I feel regret not getting the Wilderness 😢, My thoughts were just get my own tires ,lift, and skid plates.

[@DavGreg]

Bought my Onyx just before the Wilderness came out. It would be nice to have the better roof rack, extra clearance and better approach and departure angles and the gunmetal gray interior trim, but the copper trim is garish as is the excessive cladding and the star figure lights look cheesy as does the Wilderness badging. And the piano black trim needs to go in both.

[@roberthenry9319]

Absolute;y agree. The Wilderness looks uncomfortable in its own skin, as if it were designed with a crayon by a teenager. The Onyx XT has a beautiful and graceful look, which is much more sticking when viewed in person. The Wilderness, when viewed in person, retains its "designed with a crayon" look. The interior of the Wilderness looks drab and dull, with the copper accents coming from the same crayon wielding teenager, while the Onyx XT has contrasts which are very comforting and pleasing. If you are going to take a vehicle off roading over rocks, get a Jeep. Or better yet, get a horse. If you are going off roading on Forest Service, gravel or dirt roads, get an Onyx.

[@phorrolan9810]

This helpfull for me because i’m about to Outback for next month winter in Canada

[@DCW96161]

So we went shopping yesterday. The Wilderness has a $5k markup that the Onyx doesn’t have. (At least so far. And at least with this particular dealer. The negotiation has only just begun.) I expected the actual ENGINEERING differences to be more significant for that markup. 5k for orange accents and less than 1” in additional ground clearance? Wha? I would like the additional roof carry capacity but I like the better MPG in the Onyx.

[@SecretSauceyjuice]

Shorter final drive for better crawling and more torque on the Wilderness. It was Subaru's alternative to a low range. The markups vary greatly depending on region.

[@mickeybrumfield764]

Would have liked to see the Onyx go with the darker headliner, which seems to make sense.

[@sl5932]

both great looking wagons!

[@nathanmenhorn368]

Excellent review! Most in depth and clear.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Thanks so much, Nathan!

[@MarkRVillano]

They should have carried the copper accents over to the infotainment screen, shift console, door panels, and dash surround. The gunmetal grey doesn't make sense. Another big mistake is that the premium audio package should be available as an option across all trim levels.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

They kinda did, there are copper accents inside. The gunmetal gray looks great in person!

[@laramie_1944]

Great detailed comparison! I do want to double check the roof rack static capacities between the two, where you mentioned only the wilderness has the 700lbs capacity. I brought up the same concern with a dealership in Orlando and this was the reply, “Thank you for your response and for the great question. According to the owner's manual: "The roof rail load limit for stationary vehicles (700 lbs (317 kg)) applies only the vehicle is parked." Can you confirm the claim? Thanks.

[@Baumrah]

I've seen a few other videos and they mentioned the 700 lbs is strictly for nonmovement. I believe it has a 200 lb capacity while moving. I was told you need to include the weight of the aftermarket cross-rails into these metrics. You basically don't want to have more than 200 lbs up there, but it will support a couple adults if you have a roof top tent. I hope this helps.

[@MsAdriano7777]

You just confirm which car I am going with, Wilderness it is.

[@MICHAELLOPEZ-us9fb]

You totally forgot that the transmission the CVT is turned differently

[@phillippayne8170]

Here in Australia I just bought the 2024 outback sports xt would this be closer to the worlderness or the Onyx thanks in advance 👍🇦🇺

[@jakemccoy]

It is crazy how the mpg on the Wilderness takes a big hit merely because of the 0.8” lift and suspension.

[@xxxliqu1dxxx]

the gearing/ratios is programmed differently in the Wilderness's CVT... more low end torque and final drive ratios were changed from what I could gather, which is what impacts MPG the most.

[@hermanwong9461]

Gear ratio 4.44:1 same as the Ascent.

[@ronhill1498]

I have the 2020 Onyx with KO2 tires, method 17 inch rims and a lift. It's really not much different than the stock wilderness but, I think my wheels wheels suspension are higher quality.

[@mrfixitman75]

Thank you for a informative review!

[@cardoc2477]

Very nice review. Keep going with the good reviews. Very useful.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Thanks so much!

[@boxsterman77]

Is the MPG difference attributable to the different suspensions? How does that work? Maybe it's more attributable to the differences in final drive ratio.

[@craigt9415]

Wilderness gets less MPG and is $2000 more expensive than an Onyx. It comes with additional recovery hooks for when you believe the extra 0.8" of ground clearance actually makes a difference on a uni-body CVT vehicle. If you want to hit the trails harder than an Onyx look at a body on frame vehicle with a traditional automatic.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

What did the Wilderness say about your mother, Craig? 😦

[@NotCleverlyNamed]

Super informative video, thank you for this.

[@JJM956]

The Onyx is beautiful 😍.

[@JB-sv5pr]

My girls brother just got the first wildness in Hawaii it’s a nice suv but missing that Subaru vibe It’s a total mom car Nice powerful motor but no Manuel trans option

[@dantu5377]

Ok the xt version, does the car require premium gas?

[@Edwin-pj7pt]

EYE WANT MY WILDERNESSS!!!!🤩

[@rockygroo8909]

Any plans to compare 2022 Wilderness vs 2024 Wilderness? I missed out on 2022 model. It would be great for people like me, before placing in a deposit. Thanks

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

I will add it to my list!

[@locomotivecommanderpicca4869]

Just wondering what the difference is at highway speeds as far as RPm's Between the onyx and the wilderness

[@tanishazoa138]

10

[@KenCheng]

Wireless or via USB cable for Android Auto/Apple Car Play?

[@jasonshep5585]

He's incorrect on the reason for fuel mileage Diffrence.. 8 speed and lower gears in the wilderness VS 10 speed and higher gearing in the XT. Read the build sheets. Has nothing to do with it sitting higher.

[@kushsmoke4209]

Does the onyx have great power driving on incline roads or does it suffer ?

[@ayyjae24]

What’s the difference between onyx edition vs the xt?

[@savethebees2506]

What is the largest tyre / rim you can put on the Wildress? 21 inch, OK? Where I am, it floods............

[@gevorgnazaryan8720]

When is Subaru gonna bring back the baja Now that we have the Hyundai and Ford unibody small pickups……???

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Great point! I think they would sell a ton of them if they did

[@ValFinale]

I got quoted wilderness for 39k or onyx xt for 38k reg onyx for 36k. No brainer to go with the wilderness

[@carybean3916]

Love the wilderness however, no option for a genuine, aniline type leather nor premium sound system is a near deal killer for me.

[@edwinmedina4338]

Im wanting the 2022 Premium, but XT Onyx has the turbo, but gas mileage is also what im looking at

[@fozzy_che]

Thanks for sharing

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Thanks for watching!

[@andya6527]

I don't like how the Onyx has chrome along the windows and mirror! WHY???!!

[@davidhals371]

I like both

[@rafirc8yt]

Thank you very very much for this detailed video :)

[@AJLeonardo84]

Do this video again once the mid cycle refresh comes out.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

I will definitely keep an eye out! 🤘🏻

[@AJLeonardo84]

@@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville In fact if you look at Subaru Global on YT, you can see what the mid cycle refresh will look like. They have a video on it already.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Can you drop the link? I’m not seeing it

[@AJLeonardo84]

@@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville They have a YT channel. Just type Subaru Global TV

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Tried that. Only seeing videos on the 2021MY

[@troutstalker4744]

So the wilderness doesn't comes with cross bar?

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Correct. But it is available as a dealer accessory

[@troutstalker4744]

@@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville thank you

[@kenrobertson4569]

gearing is the cause of the milage difference.

[@bonifaciomagdiwang1697]

is the wilderness wide compared to Onyx XT?

[@briann9586]

So if you drive this vehicle how Subaru advertised it and you put the slightest scuff on a skid plate Subaru will not honor there driveline warranty!!! 2020 outback transmission full of metal shavings no warranty!!! Under 20000kms. Just warning everyone so they don't have to go through the nightmare Subaru is putting us thru 😭. We were a loyal Subaru family 2 STI's and a WRX.

[@eatmyfruit]

Wow, what ended up happening in the end? Did you have to pay or did Subaru cover the costs?

[@briann9586]

Stuck on a waiting list for a month ended up finding a used transmission in the USA. Had it shipped up to Canada put it in myself... Car is flagged now because of scuffs no warranty on any part of it.

[@eatmyfruit]

@@briann9586 Poor form Subaru. How bad were the scuffs?

[@briann9586]

@@eatmyfruit it came from crossing over a grader ridge of snow in the winter time had gravel in it.

[@JDMEXforme]

Departure and approach angles are not good.

[@freedombuy4672]

thx

[@jakemccoy]

A bunch of mall crawlers are going to buy the Wilderness just because it looks cooler.

[@jessetam5781]

Yes...yes I am. Lmao

[@randthompson5716]

And they will be trading them back in in a year or so to get the next shiney they see. Discount Wilderness galore.

[@igortodorovic6463]

Onyx for the win

[@diaconus1423]

You literally only talked about the cosmetic features

[@ddutsie]

why are you wearing a girlie headband on your hair?

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

It was actually a boy-style headband. I rubbed it in mud and body odor just to make sure 😤 Don’t worry another second about it, ddutsie!!

[@greendg7]

where did you find 2 outback? Subaru screwed up chip crisis

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

We them on our lot at the time. Definitely can’t these days

[@mr.grumpygrumpy2035]

I think the best Subaru Outback value is the base model. Those XT models at nearly 40 K don't justify the price I think.

[@roberthenry9319]

Drive an XT model and see how you feel about how valuable the extra power is. The power boost can be a real game changer when you need it driving on a highway. Granted, you do not need all that power in town, but it can get you out of a jam when passing a semi on the open road.

[@BMW_DAILY]

DRAG RACE THEM

[@timothydooley1550]

OBW all the way.... Onyx does have the better stereo though....

[@Aikynbreusov]

I will get the Toyota 4Runner instead of the Subaru Outback Wilderness

[@Asami6331]

Black decal is a straight copy from cherokee trailhawk

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

It does look very similar! But everything in life is a copy of something if you think about it 🤓

[@Cringer101]

Too much cladding on the wilderness,

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Supposed to be more protected!

[@SecretSauceyjuice]

Better looking than tiger stripes all over from driving through brush on trails.

[@Chasing-the-outdoors]

$40k is just not realistic, who’s buying these? At 26mpg the 4Runner just needs to lose weight(or get a turbo 4) and it’s no contest.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

I think a lot of people. There is a ton of interest. We had a bunch here on the lot and they sold like hotcakes

[@roberthenry9319]

But, the 4 Runner has not lost weight and does not have a turbo. If it did, it would cost way more than $40 thousand. So, your point is???????????

[@SecretSauceyjuice]

Yo, definitely let me know when Toyota updates that decade old platform to drive like less of a land barge and sells it at 40k.

[@jeffmelodia2077]

I just bought a suburb wilderness. My first Subaru ever. The heater never shuts off and the dealer said that is “just the way it is”. My first and last Subaru I will ever buy. Going to get rid of this as soon as I can. I would not recommend a Subaru as the company does not seem to care.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

What do you mean the heater?

[@jeffmelodia2077]

@@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville the cabin heater Set the temp to 65 and it stays on and turns the car to an easy bake oven

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

Weird. I have never heard of that problem

[@tyslogcon]

@@jeffmelodia2077 you're doing something wrong, this is driver error.

[@endrizo]

dont like black wheels. wilderness should have reduction gearbox.

[@filop]

Worse car I have ever driven... the 2.5 engine is way under powered,, its like riding a Mop head.engine is always screaming.wind noise thru windows,but the screaming engine drowns the wind noise out. Build quantity is be low par,

[@stephenpowstinger733]

I can’t stand that hairnet thing.

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

What thing??

[@JButlerStudios]

These front bumpers are giving me cancer

[@BachmanAutoGroupLouisville]

I hope you get better 😢

[@darnellwatkins4031]

Just say CVT, and end this argument now. Lol 😂

[@roberthenry9319]

Not an infomed comment. Clearly you have not driven the Onyx XT CVT. It makes automatic transmission feel obsolete. Absolutely no searching for gears with Subaru's CVT vs. geared automatic. Most automatics have a littile hesitation both going up from 3 to 4 and down from 3 to 2. No hesitation in the Subaru XT. Just power going up and smooth transition in slowing with use of paddle shifters on the way down. It is Nissan's CVT that is jerky and cumbersome.

[@darnellwatkins4031]

Obviously, you don’t go off roading. Good luck, bub! Thanks for the CVT lesson!

[@SecretSauceyjuice]

@@darnellwatkins4031 The high output CVT from Subaru is a completely different unit from the one that comes in all the n/a base models. It's more robust, tuned better, and makes better use of the greater torque. It's not a low range by a long shot, but the shorter final drive on the Wilderness does give it an advantage.

[@bestamerica]

' oh no... not like both subaru cars in 2021... real both cars are makes in 2021... not 2022... dont be fool age year