2023 BMW M2: Manual or Automatic? I Run BOTH from 0-60 and The Results Are Staggering!

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[@EffDinero8]

The new M2 reminds me of the late 80's early 90's euro era cars with the aftermarket body kits. I kinda like the nod to that era.

[@Greeko_Poloz]

Do you like the way the old M2 looks more? I'd probably buy the new one, but I like the way the old one looks alot better.

[@mattclark1111]

Even in 2023, 3900lbs is definitely not lightweight.

[@basscwe11]

Ironicly this is very true My 03 small truck is only 300 ibs heavier

[@jstaylo2]

Yeah I can’t believe he said that……

[@MercOne]

Maybe not, but BMW now sells a M SUV that is over 6000lbs.

[@moescolla]

Everything will get heavier and faster

[@zoner__]

BMW’s have been heavy for a long time now.

[@shaolin224]

That 4.4 sec in the manual was a respectable time Andre

[@mikeolson7557]

Hell yeah!

[@bobbybooshay5854]

I do 4.4 in my gr yaris lol

[@shaolin224]

@@bobbybooshay5854 aww how cute 😅. That corolla gr looks pretty good too

[@steveb540i]

It's a shame individual colors are not being offered. Not a huge fan of any of the exterior paint options.

[@brelaxed13]

need to let the boost build up a little more before you let go of the brake

[@andyhegarty820]

Feels weird seeing Andre not reviewing a truck

[@spcneary]

Did I just hear 3900lbs described as relatively lightweight? For a 2 door car that is very heavy, regardless of what it's competition weighs that is about 1000lbs over relatively lightweight and 1500lbs heavier than what I would call a lightweight car. I would describe it as a heavyweight car that is down nearly 100hp from a similarly sized American pony car.

[@aggiewoodie]

It’s on par, weight wise, with a Mustang or Camaro, and similar power to their base V8s. Question is whether you want American or German. And this should handle better.

[@escapegroup]

Dang my e90 M3 weighs less than that

[@TheMarkcu24]

So please point to new cars these days that are in those weight ranges that can actually perform and aren't over $100k. Serious question.

[@Dx-qg9jm]

@@aggiewoodie Mustang is significantly cheaper, lol.

[@spcneary]

@TheMarkcu24 for 100k? A c8 corvette, a mustang with the Performance package, a 1le camaro, nissan Z, lotus evora, the list is endless.

[@christopherfoy6668]

I feel like people at this point are just taking for granted the G87 is ugly, too boxy,because they've heard it so much. I think it looks awesome. Reminds me of the 2002 Homage. Although i will say it looks much better in certain colors than others. Still, this gen M2 would blow the doors of 99% of cars you're likely to see on public roads,and more than a few on the track. No doubt the weight (4000 lbs!!?on a 2 series??!)is a little bit of a turn-off, but at the end of the day I think this is the best all around sports car under 100k out of Europe right now.

[@chriscamero2874]

This is a sweet machine. Looks good in red. 2-door, manual transmission, internal combustion, tremendous power, rear wheel drive. This could be a museum piece in a few years.

[@faygox955]

Manual

[@enerim19]

That's the kind of Kidney Grill!! Nice!!

[@OS-hx4jk]

Andre truly loves this shirt.

[@mogradme8535]

I appreciate the word choice in "staggering" instead of like "shocking" or "surprising"

[@curseflame7476]

you had a couple of points that could've improved the autos 0-60 but either way times aren't what makes us smile

[@Lumber_Jack]

Most of the body parts on the front end are aluminum, which is metal but not magnetic. They are not plastic/composite. Only the front clip is plastic/composite.

[@sking2173]

Andre, when you show us the Dragy time, please be sure we can see it - the way I you flashed it at the camera, it was just a blur. There’s a lot of important info on that screen …

[@ladin425]

I don't think bmw uses composite for the hood and fenders. Most likely they are aluminum. If you think about it, it would probably cost more to build them in composite. The downside to composite I believe is they are heavier then alluminum and the body gaps seem to be less uniform but that could be just a build quality issue

[@MrGMawson2438]

Matt Watson on carwow did a 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds

[@TFLcar]

Our best time was 3.72 seconds with 1 foot rollout.

[@MrGMawson2438]

@@TFLcar 👍

[@Mrbobcat7]

I've heard people getting 3.6 after it's broken in a bit.

[@paatakvitsinadze4339]

Yes but this test drive was high altitude that makes difference

[@al151]

With all the electric cars and automatic internal combustion engines, manual sports cars are going to age like a wine and increase in value

[@CR055FIRE]

all the way to the point the economy collapses and the market for specialty items evaporates

[@Mexican_Wolverine]

I don’t know why BMW got rid of the DCT for a automatic it was perfect in the last gen’s cars

[@williamk1800]

Mine would be: Brooklyn Grey, black wheels, ZF auto, sunroof, and the boring non-M highlight black seats, or Cognac. Possibly carbon interior, but probably aluminum. Basically a daily driver spec that flies under the radar.

[@crossont]

I’m ordering the Toronto red with cognac seats… kind of like the color scheme of a Ferrari… all the ones being ordered are that light blue and Brooklyn grey… all so the black interiors. Im just trying to get something different.

[@albinbiju7231]

Is the aluminum trim matte or gloss? can’t tell from the pictures.

[@GCTO239]

Good job, Andre!

[@Dx-qg9jm]

you probably got some air drag from the nose hair, possibly causing the slow 0-60 time?

[@a2ashraf]

You havent even broken the car in and you are launching it? Damn feel sorry for the dude who will own that car!

[@florinvid]

Exciting car. Good real world review!

[@InvestBetter.]

I just traded in my F87 M2. This is what I see when I look at the new M2: Pros: Still has a manual. Still drives great. Has much more power. Better interior. Looks good in Zandvoort Blue and Black. You can own the last manual transmission BMW. Cons: Looks like trash in the other colors. Moves to M4 platform, so it is now overweight, and cancels out the extra power. Stock exhaust is not great (I owned a BMW Performance Package that upgraded the exhaust.) The back seat is now smaller, even though the car got bigger. The Supra Manual is its main competition, and the Supra is much sexier, and less expensive. Supra is over 600 lbs lighter, so the less power evens out. And the Supra has more cache on the street. Not an easy decision. I'll get one of them for Christmas. Merry Christmas to my punk ass!🎄

[@zooski1516]

Lol none of them will be as fun as your f87 m2. You made a terrible decision if your choice is about driving pleasure. Stop smoking that ish.

[@TheMarkcu24]

The B58 is awesome (I have an F22 M240) ... but its not the S58. The Supra's chassis also a step down. Its not an M Chassis. Personally, I am not a fan of the looks of the Supra for me to own. It draws too much attention for what I want. But I love seeing other people drive them, if that makes sense. I prefer the M2's look as a vehicle I would want to own as it is a tad more subtle. If you want to throw the car around and have an attention grabbing look, yeah, the Supra would probably be better. If you want to hug corners and go fast on fun curvy roads or tracks with a car that most people wouldn't even recognize as being special based on looks, then the M2 is the clear answer.

[@philipparana9225]

The previous chassis was based on the 3 series chassis 😂

[@07wrxtr1]

@@TheMarkcu24 Is the M240 relaxing to drive in comfort mode? I'm looking for something than can corner carve, while not beating me up on long trips - ready to move on from 370z. My girl has an older E60 - I drive it a few times and it's just RELAXING to be inside.

[@TheMarkcu24]

@@07wrxtr1 mine is a 2018. My girl and I have taken it on 500 mile plus one way road trip (about 8 hours) to the Maine coast in the past with no comfort issues at all. Is it a 5 series? Hell no. But for what it is, a luxury sports coupe that is quick as hell, i'd say it's pretty damn comfy in eco and comfort modes. It's been my daily driver for over 5 years and I love it. I do plan on upgrading to the new M2 though.

[@thewedge8823]

"This is a relatively lightweight car, just weighs under 4000 pounds and 3900" hahahahaha are u serious bro wow

[@boydw1]

Yep, auto might be faster, but I'd still choose a manual all day long

[@Alex-dz6xw]

🤦

[@jonlee580]

I'll take the dct auto, the newer bmws clutch is very hard to push down.. Not something u want to drive in the city.. U will be working out ur leg plus the bmw auto is shift fast if u put in sport plus and put the transmission to level 3

[@Sideways_Singh]

Lol idk which bmw u drove, the clutch on this and other m cars is extremely light and actually too light. The auto is not a dct anymore in this model it is a regular auto zf 8 speed. N nobody cares if it shifts fast

[@chuckcribbs3398]

They used to laugh at the RC-F for being 3800 pounds. At least it had a 5.0 liter V8 and 478 HP. But I really like the M2. For $65k I think it’s a bargain. It’s on my short list.

[@mm8436]

This is the only review that called this car light! 4k is not light

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

What exactly is “rev matching”?

[@19hundoc47]

Manufactures need to stop with the rollout garbage. Here’s your 0-60 time with a head start. Why not do a 0-60 time with a 10 foot roll out then? Should be from a dead stop to 60.

[@Isha048]

I like automatic cars, today an automatic gear is quicker than a manual one. Mat of Carwow, ran 0-60 in 3.87 sec, on a BMW M2, so we can say this car is quite quick, but in any case, I would prefer a Porsche Cayman, GT4 or RS4 perhaps? The Brooklin grey color is really meh, the red one is much better and appealing. Thanks for the video.

[@peterhammer6915]

the Porsche costs double in our country and RS4 driving dynamics is shit.

[@Otterbruce]

The kidney grill looks like a dodge grill on this car.

[@markcoopers1930]

Avengers, assemble! 😂

[@wompa70]

One foot rollout is a crutch. Don't give us that. Give us real 0-60 times. That's what matters at the stoplight.

[@paulmcdonald9592]

That's a heavy sports car by any standard. I'm a former E36 M guy. Chunky front end looks video game contrived. I get BMW going for the Gen Z and Millennial market. That's where the money is now.

[@enacku]

gen z and millennial got no money for these cars, not sure what you talking bout lol

[@GCTO239]

European car journalists got a 3.7 with the automatic transmission using launch control. Pretty quick.

[@andrewstevenson6540]

Tenths of seconds don't matter, having a good time changing gears manually does.

[@Kryorgin]

It's not a light car at all , it's almost the same weight as a M5 CS

[@WillPittenger]

Andre seems to have forgotten that Aluminum is non-magnetic and still a metal.

[@BrianJohnson-kh7mg]

There's absolutely nothing relatively lightweight about a two-door coupe that's almost 4000 lb lol

[@Cavemol5823]

😂 seriously

[@micraw714]

I'm ok with the looks but that weight is no bueno. I'd probably go G82 if I were to buy a new bmw but honestly I'm either keeping both my E92 M3 and F87 M2 or trading both for a 911. BMW's direction is just not appealing to me anymore 😢

[@mobro7ps3]

Way too long of a video for a 0-60 run

[@jaybeemhardscrote7466]

Then watch something else

[@billm47645]

I hear there is a two year backlog. Not sure why these OEMs pay to have journalists come to press events only to make a few thousand a vehicle while the dealer network plays games and markups. Hence why my BMW M340 was replaced by a Tesla. If these traditional OEMs want to survive in the long run start building cars that people want and stop playing games.

[@tommy516]

The styling is a bit bold and possibly even questionable BUT at least BMW is trying different stuff and releasing new cars. Who else is? Maybe Ford? Even the Z isn’t a new car, it’s the same Z as before but now with multiple “Stop Sales”. The Supra is nowhere to be found, I’m guessing because BMW wants to make their own cars and really the only other car company who’s updated their “sports car”, is ford. Everything else is old freaking news!

[@MrGMawson2438]

Great review mate

[@westeed1]

Why does the back look like a Subaru brz? Not a fan of the rear.

[@WillPittenger]

Is the gray car a Competition?

[@MrGMawson2438]

sounds crazy

[@davidtennien2806]

I did 0-60 in 4.0 with my draggy and my car is a manual. You need practice bro!!!

[@mattonthewater]

Good lord they’re even worse looking in video than pics

[@houssamalucad753]

Honestly it's growing on me, it has a GTA car look in a weird way, the M2 looks way better than the 240i

[@moviefan4life166]

Cottoncandyrandy. Agreed sadly

[@carcosaterp3393]

Why are you saying the manual version weighs 3,950lbs? That’s not even true lol

[@ToneNYC718]

Magnets don't stick to aluminum.

[@markcoopers1930]

"relatively lightweight"

[@hardykornfeld1733]

Lightweight?

[@weirdshibainu]

Can't understand why anyone would choose an auto over a manual in this car.

[@peterhammer6915]

1. faster 2. better in daily driving 3. less consumption 4. BMW:s manual isn't that great nowadays, rubbery and long shifts

[@cottonhiker]

I love it

[@mayormsuthu1465]

Automatic for me anytime anyday all-day

[@toinfinitiandbeyond9209]

Hood and front fenders are aluminum.

[@19hundoc47]

Geez I thought my c7 z06 was fat at 3500 pounds

[@fredquevillon3727]

Sunday when the first reviews came out I found the car ugly. Today the more I look at it, I like it a lot. I’m an Audi guy and they lost some appeal in the last few years. It’s the first time I find a BMW somewhat desirable.

[@darthwader99j53]

It’s a heavy car. It’s even heavier than a the new mustang that’s coming out and the current m4 and m3. Not light weight by any means

[@taemeister9302]

Video starts at 8:15

[@flea4061]

Automatics are for sedans and SUV’s.

[@A-GoldenBar]

Bmw could keep that car in Germany. It's ugly no ass, I'll keep my bmw e36.

[@goodcars1578]

The manuel transmission is amzing and great

[@patmanz28]

The first m2 was 3200# this is a fat pig of a car

[@drewmenges8430]

Manual. No doubt.

[@hpickettz34]

My 22 m240i can do 3.8 with 3.6 1 foot roll out, but i still rather have a manual m2.

[@Mattxwill1]

This was not a review.

[@alexhaggar2657]

this is in AZ isn’t it… looks like right near where i live in scottsdale.

[@motofunk1]

Styled by Lego

[@christianbolt5761]

How about neither. Special yes, specially ugly.

[@rynoopperman5010]

R u still on this channel… FFS’s…

[@edwardseymour1096]

The automatic transmissions are faster and better fuel economy but the manual transmissions make a slow car feel fast and just fun to drive.

[@Cavemol5823]

This or Supra ..

[@jozefsirec539]

Lightweight car 😂😂😂

[@stevelouie5928]

Or I could wait 3 or 4 years and get a cpo used one for 40k.

[@ToneNYC718]

Those days are over.

[@aces8481]

yup. or at least just wait until chip shortage catches up. anyone buying used rn is a dummy

[@stevelouie5928]

@@ToneNYC718 I bought a cpo BMW just as the pandemic started for a steal. No one was buying cars back then and the rental cars flooded the market making the supply really high.

[@stevelouie5928]

@@aces8481 Garbage used cars that once sold 2k are going for 5k now. Insane.

[@ImYoutubing247]

At this point as long as a manual is offered in a sports car, buy it

[@unexplainedwearenotalone3537]

Automatic always best and best vs any manual.

[@audiophilesrilanka3508]

Too heavy

[@davidcesarano4627]

Correction. Scottsdale’s elevation is a minimum of *2000ft not 800ft as stated at the beginning of the video

[@darrelldriver26]

correction... Andre said around *1800 feet in elevation

[@RayanMADAO]

Manual gets old quick

[@squidwardshouse67]

Says the dude who can’t drive it

[@al151]

@@squidwardshouse67yup 😂

[@takemopenn]

First time hearing that

[@DMCarReviews]

I have to agree.

[@HK-tk5mk]

What an irrelevant car test. Incredible who thinks he must take a var video.

[@PhillyDee215]

Automatic all day......💪

[@yournightmare9999]

If you can't afford automatic just go with cheaper manual

[@freakincrazy6932]

Love 1st gen. This one is hideous

[@undefeatedgaul3201]

Why do we keep insisting on letting this guy make videos has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about and can’t drive

[@ttown918]

Design = F

[@carbonm2]

I'm going to get this car but damn it's freaking ugly

[@Alex-dz6xw]

Its not mate 😂

[@carbonm2]

@@Alex-dz6xw I made myself like it and I love it lol

[@donextmedonextme4351]

This is one ugly car

[@hermannlange2395]

This review is horribly done.

[@trozio1]

Yeah I honestly don’t understand why they let this guy review a performance car

[@Olddahg]

Wow, that car is ugly

[@jeffsmith9651]

My god that is an ugly car.

[@pshhyeahh]

Another ugly modern BMW that not a lot of people will buy.

[@tsifty1]

You need help launching it?

In the olden days European cars had cheaper and way more efficient manual boxes. Muricans had huge super heavy inefficient gas guzzling automatics. Now the automatics are lighter more efficient and faster.

[@Sideways_Singh]

The autos are not lighter manuals are still 50-100lb lighter which is alot, the autos are more efficient and faster now but they ruin alot of the fun, so it aint worth it.

[@PaulTC777]

In an automatic the car controls you, in a manual you control the car. If you are and old man with knee pain then go for the automatic. In real life you don't need to worry about a two tenths of a second difference from 0-60. If you have to be stuck in traffic then go for the auto but its way more complex mechanically and it requires maintenance. As an european Ive always driven manuals and when I tested automatic cars it felt weird, it felt like a videogame.

[@Sideways_Singh]

@@PaulTC777 even in traffic manual is fine if u know how to drive in traffic, just keep a big gap and u never have to come to a complete stop or ever touch ur brakes or use the clutch to start from a stop

[@BinaryBlueBull]

@@Sideways_Singh Precisely. And an added bonus of playing this "game" of using your brakes as little as possible is that it teaches you to really anticipate the flow of traffic and the manoeuvres and mistakes of other drivers. I've been doing that for years and my friends are often surprised how far in advance I see certain situations coming and react to them before they occur. I've become so good at this game that I hardly brake at all anymore, unless coming to a standstill and even then only all the way at the end to hold the car in place. It really improves your driving skills, way beyond simply braking less and it also improves your gas mileage dramatically Too bad most performance cars aren't available in manual anymore. I recently bought an M340i and for the first time in my life I'm driving an automatic. Even the "lower" models, like the 320i, aren't available in manual anymore. Great car the M340i, but I miss shifting so, so much. For my next car I think I'm going to either switch brands, or try to go for an M-model with a manual available like an M2 or M3, if finances allow it and it still exists in a few years |edit| By the way, you have an awesome nickname