2023 BMW M2 vs 2023 Toyota Supra! Did Toyota Build a Better Manual Sportscar?

👋 Today is some fun! I have the all new 2023 BMW M2 alongside my brand new 2023 Toyota GR Supra! Both of these cars are equipped with the 6 speed manual transmission. The Supra has the B58 inline 6 cylinder engine with about 400 horsepower and the M2 has the S58 twin turbo inline 6 cylinder engine with about 450 horsepower. Since the Supra is built by BMW and has a very similar powertrain, which car is better? The new BMW M2 feels like the Supra in many ways, however it has those back seats. So if you want a new manual Supra but need extra space, the manual M2 is the next best choice! Toyota did a lot tuning with the Supra to make it stand apart form it's true BMW twin the Z4, and it really is a crazy good sportscar! My favorite thing with the manual Supra over the M2 is that the manual tranmission is much better. The shifter is more notchy feeling and precise and there is more feedback in the clutch. Toyota revised the BW tranmission and really made it amazing! M2 is a bit rubbery feeling and the clutch and a weird engagement point and isn't quite as good. The 400 pound lighter Supra also handles better. Much more pin pointy and sharp in the turns. Truly an amazing sportscar for the fun factor. The M2 has better practicality and that does ad weight and cause for it to not corner as sharp as a Supra. I do love the extra power in the M2. It keeps pushing hard in the top end while the Supra feels like it runs out of steam. Keep in mind Supra is still a very fast car and M2 is still an awesoem handling cars. But you can see a difference. M2 also has the newest BMW interior and feels extremely premium and fancy with nicer materials. Supra still feels premium and way nicer then a Nissan Z. But you can tell BMW put their best in the M2! Overall the M2 is a more practical version of a Supra with fantastic characteristics and the Supra is a tighter and more engaging version without the practicality. But the Supra and M2 are for sure some of the best sportscars money can buy at this $60,000 price range! I can definitely see buying the new BMW M2 after the Supra becomes not practical for me.
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2023 BMW M2 vs 2023 Toyota Supra! Did Toyota Build a Better Manual Sportscar?
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[@chrisbarclay]

I’m a 2023 Z owner. Love both the Supra and the new M2. I’ve owned a BMW 135i. What a great time to have a sports car

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

For sure! Cars like this are going away. But some amazing options!

[@TheMarkcu24]

always wanted a 135, but it never happened. could only afford a4 2.0t s-line at the time which was a fun little car. now, like the 3 series, they are enormous. 2 series is the perfect size for me.

[@javierevans2056]

How do you like the Z ? I’m cross shopping these 3

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah it's a good size! Like the old M3 was

[@chrisbarclay]

@@javierevans2056 I’m a biased Z fan. I’ve had 350zs and 370zs. I love the new Z. It’s a great daily and plenty of shove. I think the new Z style is hard to beat

[@marcshuster1794]

Awesome review thanks for putting this together!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you liked it! Was so pumped to get the M2!

[@KRM42-B]

Heyy, i talked to you about those cars on instagram lol Thx for directing me to here, really liked the review, feel’s really professional and casual at the same time! Hoping to see more of your content 🙌🏻

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you enjoyed the video! Just filmed a Z vs M2 vs Supra vid today! So much fun with these kinds of cars!

[@A91Armin]

Been waiting for this video!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

So glad to film this!

[@radishfox308]

I would be thrilled with either of them! They are both beautiful machines. Great video

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

You and me both! Thanks!

[@StrumVogel]

THIS! Is the comparison I needed! More inclined with the ///M2 since I owned an E36 ///M3, and the G87 ///M2 looks a lot like how mine was.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nice! Loved being able to drive these two back to back!

[@ricoricciardi3346]

Nice comparison video bro ! And the Supra is starting to look bad ass 💪🏼.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Thanks! Fun comparing these two!

[@Nick-hz2kl]

Great video . I have a 2022 Supra premium but I’ve been thinking about getting the new M2

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nice! The M2 is a great next step car from the Supra if you want more practicality and refinement.

[@arymonem]

Excellent review! For me, considering the importance of practicality for every day usage, mixed with having a 6 speed, rear wheel drive with 450+ hp was a no brainer. Interior is quite spacious, refined, and classy. It’s clutch and gearbox doesn’t even come close to my old S2000, but overall I’m on cloud 9 with my purchase.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you are enjoying it! Both are great cars and super fun to drive!

[@whitemtl370]

Great review! How’s your clutch doing?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Still holding strong as expected ;)

[@JPicL]

love both of these. having an e46 growing up makes me lean towards the M2 but can't deny how good the Supra is.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh sweet! Yeah the M2 is a great option!

[@paperboychris5390]

Great comparison video. If i had to choose for my garage id choose the supra and and go with a M5 as my M car. Thanks for sharing!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

That could be cool!

[@paperboychris5390]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed what would be cool is your supra after you have it for 6 months 😂 Then add an M car.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

haha we'll see!

[@jgway9980]

This is a great non biased review in a world of crazy M2 reviews. Much appreciated! M2 on order. Owned 2 different F87’s (dct and manual) and personally I like the looks of the new one!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you enjoyed it! Both cars certainly have some fantastic features! But each will sacrifice a few aspects to be so good at certain things. Definitely buying an M2 one day 😅

[@Bimmer_Bill]

The Zupra does not have as nice an interior, it’s infotainment system is outdated a full two generations older, visibility and claustrophobia (shrink wrapped is a nice way to say it) are major issues in the Zupra, not the M2, you get four seats with the M2 the Zupra has fake vents everywhere. Yes the M2 has the better performance engine and it has about 80 whp more than the Zupra (460’s vs 380’s) and way way more potential without diving into the engine or turbos, unlike the b58. Oh yeah and btw m2 is under 3,800 lbs verified. The few thousands extra you spend on the real bmw are worth it. Oh yeah and there’s no DCT in the M2 brother. Toyota hasn’t “made a better bmw” lol

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Actually manual Supras dyno at 400 WHP and the M2 dynos at 460 whp. Have you driven these cars back to back? Both in manual? Supra is better handling and more tossable. M2 is more practical and faster. And Toyota had the same amount of work put into the Supra that BMW did. Don't be blinded by the fact that it was built buy BMW with their parts.

[@Bimmer_Bill]

Actually they are generally high 370’s to high 380’s, but ok with a manual it might be more to the wheels. I haven’t had the pleasure to drive the m2 but I can tell you this much, I dont fit well in the Zupra but I do a Z4. So for people who are over 6 feet it’s an issue not to mention the visibility. So that’s a fail in terms of Toyota’s input, not only the fake vents everywhere typical of the JDM market. Looks are subjective too, I think the Zupra definitely does not look any better than the M2. When you look at what you’re getting with the M2, more room, more refinement, more tech, a better engine, better chassis (its a mini m4 after all), it’s a wonder why the m2 isn’t at least $15k more comparably equipped.

[@lukas12p]

in my country (Poland) they are about the same price, so I have chosen Supra, because it doesn't look like BMW :)

[@beethoven8256]

It’s been 9months since I’ve owned my 2022 3.0 Premium Supra. No regrets at all. I’m currently at 3,104 miles and she runs like new.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nice! They are a blast for sure!

[@AsifLicious]

Well I’d sure hope so, it’s still new 😂

[@ClydeFog]

@@AsifLicious i know right?😂🤣😂

[@mattc7879]

​@@AsifLicious it is a BMW , so you never know lol

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Toyota, Lexus and BMW are the top 3 most reliable brands right now...

[@Hondacbr600rrish]

Love the M2, like the way it looks and the ample amount of power it has. Especially when every modern BMW just needs down pipes and a tune, and you get 150 hp more, lol.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah this will be an amazing car to modify! Definitely buying one at some point!

[@beethoven8256]

Just like the Supra. Downpipe and a tune, you’re good to go.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I bet it'll be crazy fast!

[@shelbyhaiketic4212]

@@beethoven8256not just like the Supra the Supra makes 500 whp with downpipe and 🌽 tune, m2 would make 720 whp. That’s a huge difference

[@beethoven8256]

@@shelbyhaiketic4212 I said just like the supra, just need the downpipe and tune. I did not assume the hp, that would differentiate them both. Lol

[@mm8436]

I'll take the Supra. It looks better. Lighter. The B58 is cheaper to mod. On a side note Jackie Ding of PhD Performance used a Supra for Gridlife. He's switching to the M2 this season. Will be interesting to see how it performs.

[@RUNMDC]

over 500 lbs lighter! I'm keeping my Supra too.

[@sergiovromero7781]

That’s if u can find an M2. Maybe next year if u want a new one! They r sold out for 2023

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Supra has a lot to offer for the fun factor! I'm sure the M2 will do pretty well

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

My dealer has one lol

[@davidhorne2326]

Both are sweet rides! If the Supra had the twin turbos,wow!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah they are both great! Would love a twin turbo Supra!

[@twoswords4318]

On the M2, the rear quater panel area reminds me a lot of a Scion Tc....the only part of the exterior I like is the rear, to each his own though.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

lol I can see that a bit! But I do love this style!

[@joeyn7399]

I wish the new 240 came with a manual with awd. Great comparison.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah that'd be super cool!

[@dk7541]

I sat in both, the supra just felt very Toyota, the m2 was on a different level. I ordered mine, got it 2 weeks ago all black, such a beast of a machine. Everytime i drive it its makes me smile. It was a toss up between the two BUT! I did want the extra seats

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

The whole interior is bmw, how’d it feel like Toyota? Both are great though! Thinking of getting an M2 at some point!

[@markeywestskies6503]

The M2 would look great in black or graphite or even dark silver ...and easier to live with. If multiple cars that would be much tougher cause I love the Supra's low slung swooping looks but I would miss the pronounced surge to redline typical of BMWs inline 6.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeh I love a lot of the colors for the M2. These engines are nice!

[@johnmbell4642]

Hey Brian, I agree with pretty much everything you said, I consider myself the foremost, supra, expert, who’s never actually driven oneI sat in one, but never actually driven one Mark five of course I’ve owned and driven other supers. well, I hope you guys get soon is the new lotus emira and that’s got a Toyota engine I would take that over pretty much any Porsche and I know that saying something have a great one

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah the new Emira would be sweet to check out!

[@gabegonzales8618]

I’m a 6MT mustang gt PP1 owner! I’ve been considering these two cars for my next vehicle. In your opinion how do the manual in these compare to a mustangs? 😊

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Supra is definitely the best of the 3. M2 is similar to the mustang. A bit more rubbery. But the standard Mustang manual I've heard less then positive reviews about its longevity. So I'd think the M2 is more robust.

[@ashleymadison9380]

​@@BrosFOURRSpeed No turbo 6 will compare to the Mustang instant torque! If you have time to wait for the turbos to cool up you certainly get equivalent power, but that first second can seem like an eternity in a bmw Turbo 6.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

A Supra îs faster then a Mustang GT tho.. Basic tune and it walks all over them and can take a turn

[@ashleymadison9380]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed The Supra is a better car!

[@homanmaster]

Great review; but the M2 won’t get a DCT auto trans, it’s still the ZF8 8 speed auto trans.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I was thinking of the previous generation

[@Nimasis]

I'm very indecisive between keeping the supra or trading it for the new M2. Love the supra just a little more space would be really nice since I daily the car.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

If you want the space. The M2 is the practical Supra for sure! You’d like it! A bit more liveable and still a blast to drive!

[@sergiovromero7781]

Good luck finding an M2 anytime soon. I’m waiting until July to get mine

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@sergiovromero7781 My local dealer has one for sale! They are rare but you can find them!

[@nicholasmatthews5989]

Nimasis, although the BMW M2 may be an enticing proposition due to it having more practicality and other attributes, my thought is, it is a practical sports coupe but it is not a practical Supra. The Supra is completely different in it's genre to the M2. The Supra due to it being much lower, shorter in length and wheelbase, weighing a massive 440 lbs less, styling, two seater only, and other factors, provide a different driving sensational. Even just entering (trying not to hit your head) and sitting in the Supra is different to the M2. Considering that you love your Supra, my thought is, if you were to buy a M2 be aware that the experience will be very different to your Supra (will you miss it?). Cheers.

[@TheSharkos420]

I’m in exactly the same boat. Love my ‘21 3.0 Supra to death and was planning on getting the MT until the M2 came along. I daily my Supra and have not had any issues with practicality. I think it’s a great daily as long as you don’t need a rear seat. I also personally think it looks sexier than the M2, although I haven’t seen the M2 in person. What I like about the M2 is the tech and the extra power, but is that enough to overcome the weaker shifter and looks? All things being equal - would you take a brand new Supra MT with an Akrapovic exhaust or a new stock M2 carbon fiber?

[@bjj-vl2ut]

Is ct4 v blackwing right in the middle?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Well being a 4 door I wouldn't really put it in a comparison with these. CT4 is a fun car tho!

[@Malinkadink]

Really sad the M2 isn't offered with the thundernight metallic paint. Definitely rather have the Supra and wrap it with the color i want.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah that'd be a cool color!

[@jorgerendon4109]

I’m trading in my a91 supra for an m2 I have in order arriving in June, due to the practicality. My supra is fbo and a blast to drive, can’t wait to see what the m2 will be capable of with the mods

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Sweet! M2 will be awesome! I'll definitely get an M2 after the Supra when I need the space. Amazing car!

[@SwnkyTiger]

I am curious of your situation, would the Supra/M2 be the only car or would you be running a second daily ?

[@odinikita4821]

Yeah cos practicality is just so sexy right

[@RobertIsmyname]

Would love a comparison between the m2 and the Nissan gtr how do they differ

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I thought of that, but the GTR is an M4 competitor. M2 is way softer. M2 and Supra are on the Same level. GTR is a big step up. Here's my GTR vs M4 video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKK4gYB4hsR6r5Y

[@rabtanjim7831]

Just to ask you own both of them? Really want to earn that good. Any tips?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I don’t own both. The M2 was a press car for the week. Hopefully this video can help with a bunch of tips! kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2WpfH6idqyXe80

[@blackfish4674]

Would love to see an automatic comparison

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah that'd be cool to see! I'm assuming the autos are much more similar in feeling and then both very similar in acceleration. Would be fun!

[@JustinHEMI05]

Can't wait to get my HEA this week!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh cool!

[@bobhen7028]

I think your review is right on. For a fun, weekend, more sporty and more engaging sports car, I think the Supra wins. For a daily, I think the M2 wins. However, compared to both of these cars, I actually think the better daily is the BMW M240i automatic with BMWs Xdrive AWD. The Xdrive M240i with the automatic is as fast as both of these cars with manuals. And automatics while being faster, are also better in daily traffic. And, compared to RWD, the Xdrive AWD is better at launch and also better in inclement weather. Actually, with "manuals", the BMW M2 is rated 0 to 60 at 4.1 seconds and the Supra is rated at 0 to 60 in 4.1 - 4.2 seconds. The less expensive 2023 BMW M240i xdrive automatic is also rated at 0 to 60 in 4.1 seconds. The 3.9 second 0 to 60 time in both the Supra and the M2 is with the "automatic". In most cases, the BMW M240i automatic with Xdrive should actually best both of these manual cars from 0 to 60 because you can floor the M240i Xdrive from a dead stop with zero tire spin and no lost traction. Bob

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I can see that for sure. 240 is a great option if you want the Supra price tag with the M2 car in general. Nice to have AWD for that launch!

[@user-ke8wd7bd4v]

automatics SUCK

[@mikemorales4806]

I wonder if the BMW M240i has the same exact clutch as the Supra? If they make the m240i in standard.. Just wondering

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

The M240 only comes in an auto. So it's probably the same ZF 8 speed as the Supra. Be cool to check it out

[@mikemorales4806]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed probably bolt right up!

[@RemnantPerformance]

Let’s get a 65 OMEGA under the hood on your Supra Bro! 💪🏾

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

lol would be cool to up the power!

[@2006chunming]

Both amazing! Cars! Forsure.. The M2 almost seems like it has a wide body kit. ❤

[@Krasshirsch]

Yes, the one from eBay for $29.99.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah it does! Looks so cool!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Isn't the current fad wide body? The Challenger and Charger have stuck on flares and people love those. This is all bodywork that gives it a wide body look. If anything the Dodge cars look like the ad ons lol. People just love to hate new cars for some reason

[@Krasshirsch]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Only the ugly ones. Every1 loved the first M2.

[@christophersanchez2389]

Because You Own A 2020 White GR Supra Premium Back In September Of 2019 Back In The Day Also Its Been Almost 3.5 Years Ago.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

The Supra is a fun car!

[@misant1718]

The Supra has better Style by a landslide.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It really is beautiful next to the M2! M2 needs springs and spacers like my car has tho. Would look a bit more filled out.

[@a408ridah]

I beg to differ lol. The Supra looked so beautiful in concept form the proportions were perfect. But the shrunken down size took away all that was lovely about it. With that being said I’m sure it is a blast to drive especially with the manual. The m2 wins in the looks dept. for me and it’ll look even better when the lci model comes out

[@markzl1608]

Pretty confident that if you park the M2 next to the Supra, the M2 would get all the looks

[@sixbrokenstrings7322]

​@@markzl1608 lol

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@markzl1608 honestly I’m not sure. Lots of people still have never seen a Supra. Both cars seem to get a lot of looks tho. Plenty of thumbs ups in both cars

[@cheekster96]

What RPMs are they turning at highway speeds running in 6th gear?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Can't remember. But should be pretty similar mid to low 2ks

[@cheekster96]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Thank you. Heard it was in the 3K area.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I was on the highway today. 72 mph was a tad over 3k. But 60mph is around 2.5k

[@gntl-4591]

can u hear the turbo in stock on the mk5?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Not really. An air intake wakes up all those sounds! We carry a few on our website for the Supra! www.brosfourrspeed.com

[@Rangerkidx]

What’s the best sports car under 70k you recommend?

[@wlfpire]

Around that price a manual ZL1 is tough to beat.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I’d say Supra, M2, SS 1LE would be my top picks. Used market you can get some cool cars too tho.

[@darkninja6658]

the s58 is a derivative of the b58 block with forged crankshafts and connecting rods for higher power demand both are reliable engines well more reliable engines for recent bmw motors 😎

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah it's a sweet motor! Just saw an M2 make over 700 WHP with downpipes and tuning on E50. Would love to see this in the Supra! Stock for stock tho its a nice bump in power, but the weight pulls the M2 back a tad to be crazy faster then the Supra

[@saminawwar6368]

Thank you! Really appreciate addressing the transmission. I had a 2018 M3 and sold it because shifting the car was joyless. I kept my 2017 accord instead because it was a much more enjoyable manual.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

oh wow lol. yeah I love how tight the Supra transmission feels. Big step up. But I can see the M2 being a good daily if you want a more relaxed manual

[@Oorakhhye]

Just bought the M2. Will agree the gearbox is a little rubbery but still a lot of fun to shift. The power in the car is insane and the car def looks a lot better in person than in pics/vids.

[@insansiregar6158]

Is M2 faster on straight line while Supra faster on circuit lap times coz of lighter weight?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah the M2 is great! Wish Toyota did the trans lol. But I could see buying one after the Supra if I need back seats

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

They are similar on the track. But Supra is much more nimble

[@Kai240i]

Please do a roll racing video next! Like to know how much or how little the M2 will pull away from the supra.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I wish I could have! But BMW owns this M2 featured. Probably wouldn’t like to see street racing 😅

[@pushslice]

I will take the supra for a few reasons, but one I will point out is the lack of that ridiculous iDrive8 “android laid on its side & glued to dash” screen. I haven’t been inside M2 yet, but I’ve experienced it in a couple of other new BMW models, and it just looks ridiculous . I want a driver-focused binnacle . For a driver-focused car.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Supra is definitely a very driver focused sportscar with no clutter. M2 has that extra fancy tech stuff. I actually like the dash for the M2. Not every car with this design looks as good to me tho

[@roobalottal]

Did you said bmw m2 has b58 engine? S58 in m2 and b58 in supra

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah but I put writing over the vid.

[@Japplesnap]

Well, the rev battle is not even a contest. The B58 in the Supra sounds a thousand times better.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah under revs it does for sure! Driving the S58 is a bit more beefy. But could also just be the sounds played in the speakers

[@TheMarkcu24]

Thanks for a great comparison. I prefer the more subtle look of the BMW. The Supra is a "look at me" type of look. It stands out big time. If that is what you want, this car would be my choice. But I like to be a little more subtle (have a '18 m240, so the BMW looks better for me). Admittedly, this one is not quite as subtle as the last generation though, but I still love it.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah the M2 is pretty tame, however the Supra is super sleek and to me doesnt really stick out. Maybe the color could make a difference lol

[@07wrxtr1]

Yeah when you get older you don’t want attention from everyone anymore…

[@christophersanchez2389]

CS Here Again So For Me I Am Still A Huge German Car Fan Of The 2023 Toyota GR Supra With The Auto Maybe Also I Don’t Think There’s A BMW Z4 Competition For A Long Time Also We Will Wait For The 2023 BMW M2 Competition Arrives Later Still Brian.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Great cars for sure!

[@BobcatBart]

Probably already mentioned, but the BMW M2 G87 does not offer a DCT.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

We didn’t mention that in this video. It’s still a good option to go with if you don’t want the manual.

[@BobcatBart]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed kzbin.info/www/bejne/opfVmn-XaL-coLs You mentioned it @ 13:13

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I was thinking of the old one. ZF is still great tho!

[@Marc-ty5sz]

put the s58 in the Supra, keep the current supra interior(none of the no button all screen BS in the G87) then youll have greatest modern BMW ever made, really hope they do.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I agree! Would be sweet to see that engine in this! I do like the simplicity of the Supra. Would be cool to get the M2 optional bucket seats in the Supra too

[@andycjin4955]

I kind of like that the Supra is single turbo though

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I don't think there was any more lag in the S58 tho. Bit would be interesting what each engine could do with bigger turbos

[@BMR_WRLD]

I'm getting the M2, once rates come down. I'll be damned if I worked my ass off to get excellent credit only have a much worse rate than what I have now

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah rates suck right now. I'm paying off like half the Supra in the first 3 months because of that. Crazy!

[@BMR_WRLD]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed yes that would be the way man. Last year, looking at the Supra that was my inspiration for getting great credit cause I wasn't about to pay over 1k a month for the car. Now it's the same deal. I see 9% to 11% rates on cars with excellent credit.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Same! I worked so hard to build mine and should have been able to get like 1.99. But these days suck! Hopefully things bounce back to normal

[@ashleymadison9380]

I would love to know where to get the M2 with the DCT...

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

You’d have to order one with it!

[@ashleymadison9380]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed There is No DCT in any current BMW 2,3 OR 4 series. They are all ZF automatic slush boxes. ;-). It's a good auto, but it's not a DCT.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I was thinking of the older version. This is the first time being around the new M2 so I only looked up info for the manual. Didn't even think they'd ditch the DCT

[@ashleymadison9380]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed It made sense for the profit margin for them to ditch the DCT, but the DCT was better than the ZF. Either way, the Supra is better looking. Though I wish they would put the S Motor in a Supra:-).

[@justsomerandomguyman]

@@ashleymadison9380 The main reason is that the DCT would not work for the AWD xDrive system that they want to support, and it was cheaper to use the ZF 8 speed auto than have ZF design a new DCT that would work.

[@BrandenVandenToorn]

These or an SS 1le?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Personal preference. I'd buy the M2. But the SS1LE is cheaper and a great car!

[@amill1563]

Mike will end up buying that M2. LoL

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Lol, probably not!

[@revaholic]

Wow, when did you get a Supra, nice! Definitely suits you more than a M2. It's a shame about that screen in the M2, it looks so generic, not a sporty car

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

2 months ago lol. I do like the big screen. I think BMW did it pretty good! Would love the M2 when I need practicality and Supra fun factor!

[@kylenewberry8598]

I mean for about 20k difference when you spec it nicely on the M2 (with the carbon pack), it won't be worth it IMHO.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

These two cars were optioned very similarly. However a loaded M2 only gets to about $15k more than a loaded Supra. A base manual 3.0 yeah. I would ad the bucket seats as a stand alone option for the M2 and it'd be about $68k. So $10k more then my Supra. Not too bad.

[@nafawi7965]

Can the M2 be modded to be more “pin pointy”?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I would assume lowering springs and a wider stance would help a ton! Still handled very well. But the lighter Supra will always be a bit better. But I’m sure a few upgrades would go a long way

[@subnegro4946]

On the price if you look at both cars fully loaded it's more than a 5k difference. I think a fully loaded M2 is in the 70's

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Don’t ad the $9k carbon pack. This M2 was $65k. My Supra was $59k. They can absolutely be within $5k of each other. Both of these were similarly equipped in options

[@hpickettz34]

Don't buy a fully loaded m2, problem solved.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

lol exactly! This M2 was spec'd very similar to my Supra. The carbon pack is a whole different ball game. But you can get the bucket seats stand alone. I would totally ad them to the M2!

[@adamjacobadamson]

BMW's Toronto Red color is carried over from Canada's city of Toronto, Ontario.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh cool! Nice color! I thought it was orange till I read the window sticker lol

[@xcloud777]

With Toyota changing parts of B58 making it more reliable in long run then the S58 bimmer. I would go all day to Supra ,the looks are far better and feels like a real sports car factor was way better than bmw. The m2 won’t break necks even their M powers but mk5 was in a different field.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Supra is pretty sleek However Toyota still has helped BMW with their reliability across the board. So I'd trust the S58 motor all day. M2 is a great next car for Supra owners who now need back seats

[@tintinet]

M2 competition CS FTW

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Hopefully they do a CS! That’d be cool!

[@topcover7390]

So struggling between an orange Supra (if I could even get one) and an M2. Strongly leaning M2 due to more practicality but I hate the new iDrive. Ugh.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Both are great cars for sure! You end up getting used to the infotainment in the BMW. I wasn't the biggest fan of it either. Even in this video I still didn't know how to work the whole screen. But after a bit you get used to it and it becomes normal. So if you need the practicality, go for the M2! Amazing car!

[@harlemknight120]

I was in the same position as you, but the dealerships that I talked to wanted 5-10k markup on the Supra. That put the price of the special addition at 70-75k and the regular Supra at 66-71k. I was able to order a 2024 M2 at msrp 71k. It's in production now.

[@KingznAcez]

the SUPRA looks soooo good!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Thanks! M2 could use springs and spacers to have a similar stance!

[@dejavupr123456789]

I Own A 2022 supra, and already tested the M2. Its tough decision. If I was buying brand new both cars (automatics) I will probably get the M2. Both cars in Manual, I get the Supra. Way more Fun. I am waiting to trade mine 2022 Auto for a 2023 Manual Supra. It was sold before I could get it, so now I am in a waiting list. If you already own a Supra there is no justification for the M2. It is simply not worth 5k depreciation + 5k increased cost + 5k taxes. a total of 15k for what little you will get, as you just are trading pros and cons but really is a lateral move.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Keep in mind, manual Supra owners could sell these at a profit. I paid $58k for mine. Could probably sell it for $65k easy and my BMW dealer has a manual M2 I could have bought for $67k. So it's really an easy swap. What state do you live that tax is $5k? My Supra was under $2k in taxes. However I think Supra owners would only swap into the M2 if they need the practicality or want something more refined and roomy. I'd love both together to be honest. But as you said its a lateral move. I agree with that. Very similar cars just depends on the practicality needed by the owner

[@fitnessymas9605]

It’s difficult to decide which one.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

If you need the backseat space, that’s one way to decide! Both are great!

[@marvinjavellana4503]

A pretty good amount of difference between the S58 and B58

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh of course! But when you drive them back to back, you only feel a bit more power stock for stock since the M2 weighs so much. M2 with bolt ons and tune can make like 700 WHP easy! Supra makes about 550 WHP bolt ons and tuning. So that extra turbo ads a lot! Maybe one day they'll do an S58 Supra

[@patthonsirilim5739]

Like it or not the new Supra follows the og mk4 Supra recipe to the T front engine rear wheel drive inline 6 turbo charge engine with 6 speed manual gearbox not only it follows the classic sports car recipe it’s also lighter stiffer much faster(stock) and the b58 is just as mod friendly with high tuning potential as the legendary 2jz and the a90/91 series Supra is heavily involve with touring/endurance racing with championship winning results and full factory support let’s be honest if we just turn a blind eye to the bmw involvement we would see this car for what it truly is a proper throwback and homage to the classic mk4 with modern technology mark my word this car will have its place in history.

[@MeijaJanis]

there is no DCT on m2 anymore twin turbo does not mean more power

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

But it has more power stock..so I’m this case it does. What twin turbo car has less power then a smaller engine?

[@justsomerandomguyman]

The new BMW M2 doesn't have a DCT. It has the same ZF 8 speed 8HP automatic transmission (torque converter) that the auto Supra has. They don't have the DCT in any BMWs now. The last gen M2 was the very last car to get it. The 8HP is supposed to shift almost as fast as the DCT though.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I was thinking of the old M2. I've only been around the manual M2. ZF is still a solid choice for an auto tho! Best torque converter available!

[@AarmOZ84]

I am glad they are so different. I rather the M2 and the Supra are great at different things rather than them be the same. Supra is the awesome sports car that you track. M2 is the Bimmer that will pull if you want it too.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Very true! Nice to see how different they are. I plan on buying an M2 in the next year or two after the Supra

[@AarmOZ84]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed I have an order for the M2 because I wanted a fun car that I can drive year round.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@AarmOZ84 Sweet! You’ll definitely like it a lot!

[@setiset516]

toyota with a s58 would be king and if you can get the weight down to 3k

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

That'd be awesoem! Maybe if they do a special edition or something!

[@AntLive29]

Have you heard if the Supra will ever get iDrive 8?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I haven’t heard anything on that yet

[@mk5_3]

If the contract ends and they renew then sure

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@mk5_3that’d be neat to see!

[@lucasmoncla7026]

Way more of difference between the b58 and S58 than just an extra turbo.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I'm sure from a technicality aspect. But all you can feel is the power difference. So thats all I can review. I'm not tearing the cars apart to show the specifics of each engine

[@christianbolt5761]

Supra. Looks and weight of the M2 is not for me. Keep my older M3

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah not sure why the M2 weighs so much. If it dropped 200 pounds, it'd be pretty wild!

[@mk5rob42]

Supra is a much better looking car and lighter, but the S58 is just a better engine than the B58, the rods and Pistons can handle more power. I would still take the Supra though....

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

B58 can handle like 700 HP tho. These engines are amazing.

[@07wrxtr1]

Wait for the 2JZ to enter the chat 🤣🤣🤣

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

B58 is better ;) 2JZ had it time but it's an old engine and just isnt as god as the modern B58 now

[@willmanwill]

How much it cost this supra?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Supra was $59k

[@willmanwill]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed thx

[@naten555]

They need to update the supra to the m2's interior/ dash.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Would be cool to see!

[@STICKSHFT]

unpopular point here...tesla m3p is faster than both of these point to point in normal everyday driving situations and is far more comfortable and even handles better and is in the same price point. i know because i have an m3p as well as a stage 2 m2 and f80 m3....

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

The Tesla is the heaviest of the three, I wouldn’t say it’s the best handling by any means. Certainly fast, but that’s about it. Glad you enjoy it though.

[@STICKSHFT]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed your right it’s not the best handling of the three if your going 10/10ths on a track. but in most everyday situations it’s able to use its power more efficiently

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Great daily for sure. Definitely a good option for around town. But a lot of people love the feeling of a sportscar for the weekend and for the day to day. Most people own a Supra or M2 as their only car. So they want the fun factor all the time

[@STICKSHFT]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed yeah the m2 is definitely my favorite to drive. Its the most fun for sure.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@STICKSHFT Amazing car!

[@user-ke8wd7bd4v]

Supra -- without question

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Why!?

[@albinbiju7231]

Mechanically, I think the Supra has a better setup as a whole. However the practicality and comfort of the M2 is so far ahead of the Supra, it is hard to pick between the 2, while having similar power to weight ratios.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah really just depends what you need in the car. I think the M2 is the next best car for a lot of Supra owners when the time comes to have practicality

[@kobedabest]

I take the Supra for the less weight and especially the looks. The M2 is arguably the worst design M car of all time.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Supra is sweet! I do love the M2 design tho! Older BMW's all look the same. Very boring and basic. This is new and unique. I like the different style

[@blackfish4674]

New m2 all day

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It’s such a cool car!

[@eloneatmyshorts]

Manual to manual in this price range, the Blackwing is better.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

How so?

[@7728abbott]

Both are beautiful rides, but I think you correctly state that the M2 engine pushes it for the win.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah its got that extra top end!

[@kbkollective]

bro s58 on m2 NOT b58

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I don't believe I said B58 in reference to the BMW's engine. I didn't mention S58. But I only said B58 talking about the Supra

[@BossPau]

Same 0-60, that’s how good the supra is. Plus m240i is the bmw to buy.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

M240 is a good option for a more toned down car. But the AWD and similar engine makes it a good choice for some people

[@justsomerandomguyman]

For a daily driver, but not for fun.

[@hemantsathian2492]

Supra with an S58 would be the best BMW

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah that will be awesome! Be a crazy car!

[@fr8987]

in my opinion the supra is way ahead just for its looks alone. i had a deposit on an m2 but after getting a yellow supra this ones a keeper. i haven’t filled up the tank once without someone coming over and asking me what it is. this car will be a legend in the future just watch. nothing like it on the road. the m2 is just bland in comparison however i’m sure the performance is a tad better. then again it weighs more so most probably negligible.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh cool! Yeah Supra turns heads and really is a special car. I do love the M2 but it's not as dramatic as the Supra. But it's more livable. So I can see one when I need the back seats. Mods will really wake it up tho!

[@cosmicbluevox1001]

A GR supra is a 2 seater M240i RWD with less weight, thats the only difference.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah a 240 vs the Supra would be pretty cool. I'm sure thats way softer then the Supra tho since the Supra is already more hard core feeling then the M2. So 240 would be a soft version with better practicality

[@nitrostackr]

S58 in that M2, actually

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I wrote that on the screen when I said that

[@nitrostackr]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed didn’t catch it, just checking! Love the content!

[@arapaimagold8088]

I’ll take the M4 in disguise (M2)

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

lol it's a sweet car! Toned down version of the M4

[@zcmdzpp127]

S58 not better B58?😂

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I wouldn't mind it in the Supra! B58 is still an amazing motor with plenty of power potential. But would love a twin turbo setup!

[@4estfloor]

If I need practicality over these, it's going be the M3....

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

That’s a good choice as well!

[@faizelphilander6938]

BMW for life

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

They make some fun sportscars for sure!

[@wheelwrightpl9429]

This M2 is an overweight pig (heavier than Camaro SS 1LE !), and unfortunately M-engine is wasted in such a car because it is not any faster than the Supra with its run-of-the-mill engine.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Not much heavier then the SS. And the B58 is an amazing engine. I don’t think anyone thinks it’s not. How many motors with a Bosc tune and exhaust push over 500 WHP so easily? These are faster then a Camaro with a tune. But to each their own! SS 1LE is a cool muscle car

[@sergiovromero7781]

Can’t wait for the M2 to kick the Supra’s ass on a good track review!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It would probably depend on the track. Supra handles much better

[@zengfengwu1435]

No drag race ?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I wish! But BMW owns this M2. Can't be racing on the streets in their car lol

[@jjchockey]

The Supra is the only good BMW left. The new M2 is WAY too big and absurdly heavy. That thing weighs over 3800lbs which is only 200lbs less than my midsized Audi A6 3.0T. Just ridiculous for what is supposed to be BMWs lightest and most fun sports car. Let me remind you the E36 M3 sedan weighed 3100lbs or 700lbs less! The 2 series should be around that size and under 3500lbs. BMW is just catering to Chinese market and fanboys who only care about numbers. They don't care about the pleasure of driving anymore. Cadillac and Alfa are the new "ultimate driving machines"

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

The new M2 weights 3700. Of course an older vehicle with less tech and less components would weight less, but it also made less power too. Have you been in a driven the new M2?? It’s a pleasure to drive. My brother took it on a 1,000 mile road trip and had zero complaints! It’s perfect between performance and daily driving! We have a mountain trip video coming soon you should check out. Cadillacs are nice no doubt, and alfas are cool. Just depends on what you want.

[@jjchockey]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed That’s no excuse. You can make it lighter. Mazd amanaged to make the ND Miata lighter than any Miata made from 1999-2015 with standard safety tech, more airbags, touch screens, chassis rigidity etc. They just care about driving more. BMW just cares about pleasing the Chinese market and people who care about numbers over driver feedback and emotion like the Cadillac and Alfa. Not saying the M2 is garbage by any means, it’s just not what the “ultimate driving machine” used to be. I’m glad we have the Supra because that’s really the only really good BMW left lolll.

[@wayneh1562]

supra

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Supra is a beast for sure!