2023 Electric C Line - new 4 speed version

[@nicmog58]

I have just this 4 speed version, I live in Driffield in the East Riding (can't get much more rural). It's on a CTW scheme and I use it to hike all my work kit (laptop etc) right to my desk in the office in Beverley. Car then bike or bike train bike. It's such a fun bike, I am planning some holiday adventures this summer :)

[@sancochito75]

Thank you for the video. Please slowdown on the results of the weigh portion as well as showing the newer items. I had to pause and rewind ⏪ a few times. Happy Holidays

[@brilliantbikes]

Thanks for watching! Sorry we will remember next time!

[@yoltmb]

Thanks ever so much for including pounds in the information breakdowns. Google is tired of answering my conversion questions

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching!

[@noonster55]

I really like your videos, but I especially love your bloopers.

[@brilliantbikes]

Thank you so much and thank you for watching!

[@noonster55]

I wish they would do a 6 speed with the new cassette. Actually, why not go with an 8, 9, or 10 speed? Maybe you don't need more than a 4 speed with the e-bike, but I would really love at least an 8 or 9 speed with the non E-bike version. Lots of steep hills where I ride.

[@NickMackenzieMD]

Wow, I am so glad I got the 6 speed. I got it on sale at REI in USA. Real good price. Brompton must have sold off a bunch of their inventory to REI when they went to the 4 speed. I really lucked out since I live in a hilly area of California and use all six gears.

[@brilliantbikes]

Sounds like good timing! Hope you enjoy it. Thank you for watching!

[@pootlingalong8928]

Please Brompton, just give us a 3 speed hub Brompton, with or without electric motor, black parts, Ti parts, fancy racks, sparkly colours, hollow rivets, smaller and smaller luggage options … just a nice simple 3 speed hub for all of us non cyclists who just want to ride our bikes every day for commuting, leisure, allotment duties, shopping, touring …

[@frankhooper7871]

Got to agree. I much prefer hub gears over derailleur. I've got a three-speed manual Brompton with a wide-ratio hub and a six-speed electric - on the electric, I really only ever use the hub gears, so basically it's a three-speed.

[@redsorgum]

Yep, a simple three speed hub, with the option of putting a smaller front sprocket just in case you live in a more hillier neighborhood, and you need lower gearing. ✌️

[@stuartmanuel3698]

They already do a 3 speed hub. It’s called the A line

[@pootlingalong8928]

Downgraded - no mudguards, old style brake levers, cheap non folding pedal set, etc. yes you can add all these things but what you can’t add is COLOUR!!! White or nothing, Jeez 😣

[@markotrieste]

I feel that the aperture of the 6 speed is already to small, sometimes I long for a shorter gear, going to the four speed will be even worse. Also, the double gear shift 1-2-3 and +/- is quite fun.

[@Druidus98]

Sometimes the decisions taken by Brompton are somewhat mysterious. Why abandon the C-Line electric 6 gear version? Not everyone is living in a complete flat city. Give the people a choice. What s the problem with a 4 gear version and a 6 gear version at the same time? Thanks for clarifying the news in your video.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching! We also love the 6 speed!

[@AaronPinero]

I’m very disappointed they are removing the 6 speed option. The 4 speed doesn’t have enough gear range. The 6 is the best option. The lack of a wider gearing option is one thing that keeps me from embracing the P line.

[@brilliantbikes]

So far I have been impressed with the P line gearing range, and looking forward to trying the electric, but I think I might struggle on big hills on the manual. Thanks for watching!

[@rafaelfigueiredonascimento5694]

Sorry, naive question: why you need more gears if the motor will do the climbing work and the acceleration work for you anyways?

[@AaronPinero]

The wider gear range is preferable on a non-electric bike or when your battery dies or when riding the Brompton electric unpowered. It just makes the bike more versatile.

[@pootlingalong8928]

For some of us, the 3 speed IGH is the best option. One gear for setting off and hills, one gear for routine pedalling and a third gear for building up speed on the flat. So little maintenance as to be negligible and no constant fussing to get derailleurs back in line. I will never understand why we can’t have a choice of IGH or derailleur. It doesn’t make sense.

[@Cliff-lp8lj]

Thanks very much for all the videos you have prepared. I know it takes a lot of thought and time to create them. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all the folks at Brilliant Bikes. Thank you, Cliff Gilbert

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching and for the comment, we really appreciate it! Happy Christmas and all the best for the New year

[@samirchakraborty7164]

Beautiful presentation, thanks with 🙏

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks and thank you for watching!

[@HolgerNestmann]

Nice Video, thanks. Makes me wonder when a non electrified version of this is coming

[@brilliantbikes]

Thanks for watching!

[@effyleven]

Considering what a huge success the 6-speed is, I do not understand dropping it... even if only in electric.

[@brilliantbikes]

The 6 speed is my firm favourite still. Thanks for watching!

[@NickWatton]

Could you please clarify - are Brompton dropping all 2-speed bikes, or just the electric 2-speed? As a 2-speed fan, and having ordered a 2-speed urban this morning, I'm feeling a bit confused?!

[@brilliantbikes]

It is just the two speed electric that has gone. Thanks for watching!

[@richbarr4865]

Have a Fantastic Lefty Loosy Righty Tighty Christmas ! 😀😀🎄🎄

[@brilliantbikes]

You too! Thanks for making us smile and for watching!

[@dacerudzite1186]

Thanks for the video, its very infomative. I tried this new 4 speed electric today and was amazed - seemed so much smoother ride than my more than over a year old brompton electric? I am just wondering if it's been so much improved or it would feel more or less the same after a year of every day riding... Only thing I dont like - the chain seems to be so low to the ground to compare to the older model, can it be adjusted or it is like this and that's it.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching! The chain line is as it is, but we have found it fine on our P line that we have used a lot.

[@allanb2906]

In circumstances where you might want to temporarily lock your e-bike (light shopping, museums, heritage sites etc) does the battery pack become cumbersome if you have to carry it around. Is there any security/locking feature. New to Brompton so loving your reviews.

[@brilliantbikes]

Thanks so much for watching!! TBH we never ever leave our Bromptons and would take them in with us.

[@davidburgess5419]

It will also help to reduce and simplify the plethora of spares, some nearly duplicate. However presumably backward compatibility is also being restarted afresh.

[@brilliantbikes]

Thanks for watching! At the moment it has just increased the number of spares!

[@Paul___L]

I can't remember the last time I used 1st and 2nd on my 6 speed electric... Happily do without them! If the battery actually died and I was going up a hill I might want them!

[@brilliantbikes]

I agree! We made a video a while ago about climbing on the different modes, and yes you really only need the lower ones without the motor. Thanks for watching!

[@NickMackenzieMD]

I live in a hilly region and regularly downshift to 2 and even 1 on every ride with my C Line Electric. On hills I also make use of the -/+ gear sift as well so perhaps it just depends on the terrain where the rider rides most of the time. I could use the electricity to compensate of course but that would reduce my range.

[@lsamoa]

Can some these new features be added to an Electric 6-speed by any chance? I really like having the rack but it's a wee bit heavy, the new one seems much lighter and also has straps now so it seems like a better option. But I guess I'd have to change the rear triangle and the rear mudgard to install it. Is that possible to do?

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching! It would be a massive change, new rear triangle, change to 4 speed gearing, new wheel, suspension block etc

[@lsamoa]

@@brilliantbikes Thank you for replying! Mm, it sounds like a lot indeed, good to know. Many thanks!

[@hepela1959]

and replace the chainring with one with 39 teeth ? And a battery 400 WH ?

[@stolenorange]

I'm as confused as you 😂. I have a c line electric explore. Could I put the titanium rear triangle on it?

[@brilliantbikes]

Sorry, it’s not recommended to use the titanium rear triangle on the electric

[@erwanmirabeau6751]

Good to know with the new suspension block : If like me you order Matumura Kohki Scrowave Suspension Spring, be aware that the bolt and disk from the electric P line and C line won't fit this model. You have to find the classic bolt and disc (circle shaped). The problem is : I can't find a place where I can order ONLY the bolt AND disc rather than the whole suspension block or ONLY the bolt !

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching!

[@martinsicher]

Is the 12 speed version already to order? It seems that the 12 speed versions will be very soon available for the P-Line and the C-Line electric. Do you know if the 12 gears will also be available for the muskel C-Line?

[@Terence993]

Two weeks ago, a dealer was able to give me a proposal for a 12 speeds P-Line and I placed an order at an other one. The bike is referenced in the system but not yet announced officially.

[@paulinemercer538]

Very informative thanks I still can’t decide which one I wont can you give prices to thanks👍👍👍👍👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@brilliantbikes]

Thanks for watching. We have all the prices on our website, link as follows: Brilliantbikes.co.uk

[@carywatmore]

Interesting, frankly for the electric versions 6 speed with hub gears is the way to go. Especially since there is not much of a weight savings. On a slightly different note i would imagine that the non-electric versions the lightest would be the S bar, followed by the M Bar and then the H bar.

[@brilliantbikes]

Thanks for watching and Great idea for a video short .... handlebar type weight difference! We're on it.

[@torinsall]

Good point about the handlebars. Over the holidays I went to a bike shop nearby that sells Bromptons, just to see which handlebar setup felt best...for my prefered upright riding style, the High handlebars were best, esp when slightly tilted towards me... though the seat was awful unless the body was tilted forward, so when I get a Brompton, it will need a seat for upright riders.

[@arildschonberg3607]

What is the gear range between the first and fourth gear? Or rather, how many cogs are there in each gear?

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching. The sprocket sizes are - 11-13-15-18

[@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188]

At least You use the "Thinking Persons Weight", Kilos and not Pounds! But my now much less than 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton is presently down to 8,5 kilo, with mudguards, though I must sadly provide its needed Power by myself😊! Is it possible to differentiate the size of its Battery Bag, or is it only found in one size? As the old Ford T, which was delivered in any color you may like, as long as it was Black! Finn. Denmark

[@devjon123]

There is also an Electric version of the Brompton basket bag. It's far more practical than the battery bag that comes as standard on all Electric Bromptons.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks both for watching! There is also the large electric bag.

[@nicobonomolo]

Hi. Is it easily possible to upgrade it to a 54T chain ring?

[@brilliantbikes]

Yes it is really easy. The chain ring change is the same as the following video Brompton Chain ring / gearing change kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4GUZpuDpt-jeas But you will need to adjust the chain catcher to love it up, and you would need a longer chain, of 104 links, this one brilliantbikes.co.uk/brompton-chains/5973-brompton-sl-advance-4spd-chain-104-links.html

[@nicobonomolo]

@@brilliantbikes Thanks a lot 🙏

[@TheBeardedcyclist]

Is the advance rack compatible with any bag?

[@brilliantbikes]

Brompton released the new racksack which is slightly shorter for the P line, this one: brilliantbikes.co.uk/brompton-rear-racks-and-rack-spares/5323-brompton-rear-racksack.html Many thanks for watching!

[@torinsall]

Looking forward to the ride review...esp hill climbing capability and spinout on flat ground... what's the gear range? Also, hope Brompton plans to add PAS lever to improve safety for those of us who live in hilly areas or ride in traffic, instead of their email response that if we felt having to stop to change PAS was too dangerous that "maybe Brompton isn't the right bike for you". Seriously? Anyway, really enjoy your videos and information.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching! Trying to work out what to review on the ride…..,

[@b.griffin317]

So does it have a 4-speed derailleur or hub gear? I'm a little confused.

[@danieia4029]

The hub is gone.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching! It’s four speed derailleur system 😀

[@lsamoa]

@@brilliantbikes Good to know. I was getting upgrade envy but I do really like my hub gear so I'm fine. Everything's fine!

[@pootlingalong8928]

Hub geared bikes are a solid workhorse of a machine. Absolutely detest derailleur geared bikes - toys.

[@carlmyhill]

I wonder if it's still ok to get a 6 or 2 speed or are they somehow flawed?

[@brilliantbikes]

They are still awesome if still in stock! Thanks for watching!!

[@Ekdog]

Can those new mudguards be installed on any Brompton?

[@brilliantbikes]

The front yes, the rear no. Thanks for watching!

[@FJT2024]

I really like her accent.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks! And thanks for watching!

[@sfin01as]

....😅 so I am happy to have a C-Line 6 speed... but I am interested in how the new 4 speed C-Line will perform on the country side. 😊 I love your video's! ❤ 5:15

[@brilliantbikes]

Thank you so much for watching! We look forward to trying it too!

[@john3892]

“Interestingly, it has silver spokes ….”. Says it all.

[@brilliantbikes]

I know! Kind of cool as well! Thanks for watching!

[@earlbee3196]

The Brompton C Line Explore - Silver isn't just a bike; it's your passport to boundless explorations. This premium folding bike offers the perfect blend of style and substance. With its striking silver finish, you'll not only ride with confidence but also turn heads along the way. With 6 gears and sleek silver accents, this folding bike isn't just about aesthetics; it's designed for an exhilarating riding experience. The responsive gearing system and powerful brakes ensure you have total control, making each journey comfortable and exciting. Embrace a new era of folding bike excellence with cool accessories like reflectors, a front carrier block, silver fenders, an extended silver seatpost, Brompton folding pedals, and reliable Schwalbe Marathon tires. These additions elevate your riding experience, making it as convenient as it is stylish. With the Brompton 3-part fold system, you can effortlessly collapse your bike in just 20 seconds, turning it into a compact, easy-to-carry accessory. This lightweight frame is a game-changer, making it perfect for commuters and carefree travelers who want to explore every nook and cranny of a new location. 6 Speed From 13 kg Steel ✌🏻🎅🏻✌🏻 🚴🏼‍♀️🚴🏼🚴‍♂️

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching! Here’s to a passport of adventure and fun!

[@Karla-Flr]

I would like to buy now a new electric but not only for the city! Would like to ride also in the mountains! What should I buy now 😳😳😳 ???

[@brilliantbikes]

I’d probably find a 6 speed, but with the power on the 4 speed is great! Or you could go for the new 12 speed 😀 Thanks for watching!

[@HaLe-km6cn]

so whats the point of the electric P line now?

[@davidrowe8747]

lighter?

[@brilliantbikes]

That’s correct it’s lighter

[@davidburgess5419]

A rough/rule of thumb with titanium components is £1 per gramme weight saving.

[@lsamoa]

@@brilliantbikes How much lighter is it at this point?

[@K1989L]

The new derailleur+tensioner looks a lot like any conventional derailleur..

[@brilliantbikes]

Yes, apart from updated for a Brompton 😀. Thanks for watching!

[@pootlingalong8928]

That’s a pity.

[@owenchuarbx]

Not entirely happy with this. It might come to the C-Line/Standard Brompton. The best is if the Explore is released with a new 12 speed explore variant combining the 4 speed p-line sprocket with a 3 speed internal BWR Hub. so a 4x3.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks for watching! All the best for 2024!

[@jakekong007]

E-Brompton looks not suit for me for who enjoys just little breeze from outside.　Thanks for the recap.

[@woosolo]

I can’t keep up with what Brompton has been pumping out from the past 2 years. 😒

[@lsamoa]

Same, sometimes I wish I waited a bit with buying mine as there are new options coming up all the time. But it'll always be this way I guess

[@brilliantbikes]

Many people hanks both for watching! It has been a bit of a changing time!

[@deancade9682]

We owned 2 6-speed electric bikes, but they both failed, and Brompton refunded our money.

[@brilliantbikes]

Oh dear, sorry to hear that. I think much of the issues have been ironed out

[@rabomarc]

Waiting for a non electric 4 speed C line…

[@brilliantbikes]

We don’t think it’s coming anytime soon, but as soon as we know get one we will make a video. Thanks for watching!

[@rabomarc]

@@brilliantbikes haha, it ALMOST sounds like you know something ;)

[@daoudsofiane6510]

The are over priced

[@james-p]

They sell every bike they make. So they are not "overpriced." Expensive (you try making this bike in a First World country for less), but not overpriced.

[@brilliantbikes]

Many thanks both for watching! They do last really well!

[@nicmog58]

I think they are a bargain very strong and not impacted by repeated train bike commutes.