2023 F1 Team Principals RANKED Pt. 2 📈🏁 | Sky Sports F1 Podcast

[@pokerdotify]

I really like that Matt lets his guests talk and doesn’t cut them off mid sentence

[@TipoF129B]

Croftie’s face as Ted was praising Horner is meme worthy.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Croftie is useless most of the time except for memes. Dude yelling wrong driver name during a battle, u can FEEL Brundles stare on him as he does it

[@PlenthAviation]

1. It's Crofty with a y. 2. People have different opinions! Who would've thought!

[@bjrnchrstn]

@@PlenthAviationspotted a merc fan!

[@PlenthAviation]

@@bjrnchrstn and I spotted a non Merc fan. We have different opinions. It is allowed!

[@mattcox919]

​@@captaintoyota3171because Murray never got names mixed up, did he?

[@f1ology]

Personally I’d put them in this order. 1) Christian Horner - obviously don’t need to say more 2) Fred Vasseur - I think personally he’s turned Ferrari around a fair bit compared to it 2022 self 3) Andrea Stella - amazing first season at McLaren 4) James Vowels - Same as Andrea for me. 5) Mike Krack - First part of season good but something badly went wrong mid-season and has to take responsibility for not making call sooner to go back to older spec parts 6) Toto Wolff - I think overall you can’t rate him higher then the others 7) Franz Tost - Solid performance at end 8) Gunther Steiner - Never been a fan of him 9) Whoever runs Alpine 10) Whoever runs Sauber

[@bjrnchrstn]

Ted disagrees on Toto. 😂

[@f1ology]

⁠@@bjrnchrstn good for him but I don’t see what he can or could disagree with. Got to consider this is Toto 10th season and team boss whereas some of the others in the first! Toto backed this car and after the first race threw it in the bin. That’s fair enough but effectively after Bahrain wrote off another season with immediate effect. That’s huge marks lost there. Also I don’t think he’s managed his drivers that well this season hence the inter team squabbles we have seen too this year between Lewis and George. And I won’t give him to much credit for overall outcome as I personally feel and believe if it wasn’t for Hamilton who’d easily be Top5 drivers of season if not top3/2 then Mercedes probably wouldn’t have finished as strong in second and could’ve been 3rd or 4th! So they got a lot to thank Lewis and consistency for this year. Might not been Lewis 8th title but he drove consistently like a Champion this year and that has to be given high praise.

[@genehendrix1847]

Ted telling us that Helmut Marko is mean to PER and that is why he marked Horner down😂🤣 comedy gold.. LOOOOL

[@AaronMartin7193]

Childish!! How can you put blame on Horner for something someone else said 😂😂

[@robertl7503]

Also the media treated Sergio a lot worse than Helmut.

[@Andre_The_Millennial]

Sergio was pretty shocking bro.

[@robertbills4290]

​@@Andre_The_Millennialif Checo didn't feel the worth that Max was receiving in the same team it's got to be pretty demoralizing as a no 2 driver. Especially with the vile comments coming from helmet Marko about Checo

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

1) Horner 2) Stella 3) Krack 4) Vowles 5) Vasseur 6) Wolff 7) Tost 8) Steiner 9) Alunni Bravi 10) Famin

[@olly4436]

My ranking: 1) Horner 2) Vasseur 3) Wolff 4) Stella 5) Vowles 6) Krack 7) Steiner 8) Tost 9) Famin 10) Alunni Bravi Reasoning - Vasseur has kept control over a team which has high expectaitons. For them to have a poor start and to get a win is impressive. Wolff - high expectations but is underperforming. Car is not deserving of #2. Stella - amazing new hires for the team, great turn around (this will change a lot depending on how well they start 2024). Vowles - just an inspirational figure, does most things right and you can see the love for the team. Krack - has done well for the situation he has with the Strolls. Lots of pressure and can deliver. They chased a rapid development path to keep up but failed. Steiner - only here because he is the reason Haas is a relavent thing. Haas = Steiner. Tost - an amazing TP for the RB sister team - produced Max and other amazing drivers but they're just using RB's suspension etc to gain performance he hasn't doing anything to gain more performance. I don't need to explain the other two

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

Seidl? Do you mean Andrea Stella for McLaren? Seidl is gone (off to Audi).

[@olly4436]

Crikey! Thanks for catching my mistake

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

@@olly4436 No worries. I figured it was a typo. I can tell you're a man who knows his F1.

[@olly4436]

@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 Thank you!

[@dylanburston7453]

Cant have Wolff that high. Failed to manage the drivers who cost Mercedes several points and their only shot at victory. Pitstops 7th, whilst RB, Ferrari and Mclaren were 1,2 and 3 respectivly. Bad upgrades (double that of Ferrari, who closed the performance gap) Bad strategies. All of these things come back to the TP and they have all been awful. Merc had a 40 point gap in Spa, yet they needed a manhole cover and a penalty for checo to hold on to P2 from Ferrari, who only had one clean weekend from Spa onwards

[@pantrofl]

"stop being mean to me" said Kravitz. The man acts like he's still in kindergarten.

[@ammarisrar2005]

I’m no Ted apologist here but you ain’t gotta take stuff he said out of context and throw it out to denounce him, but yeah could’ve phrased that better

[@robbieceltic1036]

calling the car a shitbox thats real leadership trashing the designteam pffffff in vegas saying its nothing a drain cover wrecking a car that was the mercedes owner protecting his market!!!!!!!

[@AhmedNaas]

Very well said

[@riancastermans1607]

They are clearly obsessed by Red Bull. To make one sentence, which is not even relevant, so big in this discussion. That's sick. It hurts them that Red Bull and the people there are so good.

[@AaronMartin7193]

Exactly 💯

[@ammarisrar2005]

That’s media bias for ya!

[@ronandoherty2335]

This idea from Mercedes (and perpetuated by sky ) that the car is a tractor is so funny. They act like the car is horrible when in reality it has been the most consistent podium contender over the course of the season, bar RedBull of course

[@UnseenLive1]

In the hands of?

[@dylanburston7453]

@@UnseenLive1 Both drivers, when the woody isnt terrorising the tekpro barriers. Every other car in that group had 9 races where they were not in that group. Ferrari had no race pace until Canada AM was nowhere from Canada until they went back to the old spec car in COTA Mclaren were nowhere until Austria/Silverstone. Mercedes was the only team to be in that group at every race (except brazil). Ferrari had very high peaks at 3 weekends this year, being the only team who could go toe to toe with RB. Mclaren had the most consecutive races with the clear 2nd fastest car, and AM were a massive suprise.

[@robertl7503]

Sky Sports F1 is a joke, look how they pounded Christian for not having a woman on the podium, Sky Sports F1 you go build a car and you put a woman on the podium

[@AaronMartin7193]

Well considering RebBull where the last team to put a woman on the podium this is laughable 😂 because they put Hannah Schmitz on there not to long ago I remember it 22 season i believe

[@CamLive.]

Fantastic work chaps. To play saloon semantics, I'd respectfully disagree with the assertion that all of the TPs are racers at heart. There is a subtle difference worth noting, one of extents and not kinds.

[@PranjalDubey]

I understand the political motivation but how is Toto Wolff 4th when he has taken a championship winning team and turned the car into 4th best on pure pace.

[@JakeTuns]

Fair play to Crofty for keeping his cool when messing up saying Mike kracks name 40:59

[@erwinterlaak3486]

Horner devides opinion says Crofty, probably because of abu dhabi? Maybe Sky also has a part in that with their anti Red Bull approach and being so biased to Merc. Ted would S*%& off Lewis or Toto if he got the opportunity.

[@mattcox919]

My rankings would be; 1. Vowles 2. Stella 3. Vasseur 4. Horner (car was incredible, easy after that) 5. Krack 6. Wolff 7. Tost 8. Sauber boss 9. Steiner 10. Alpine boss Alpine massively underperformed expectations this year. Stella and vasseur both oversaw big turnarounds in form for their teams. Wolff had all the evidence from last year and STILL STUCK WITH THE DESIGN CONCEPT??? could have ranked him lower but somehow they salvaged 2nd in the championship. Alpine were a shitshow from start to finish despite big talk before the season

[@riancastermans1607]

So Stella and Vasseur made the progress, but with Red Bull it all happened automatically. Special.......

[@mattcox919]

@riancastermans1607 Horners role was continuing to build from his own previous work. Stella and Vasseur both had to take over from previous TPs and steer them in a different, better direction. I think that's harder.

[@AhmedNaas]

How is Toto a 10 in leadership when he insulted his technical teams by calling the car a piece of garbage and only cared about Lewis with his radio apologies... shame on you really for being so biased again.

[@dogs04]

and not just that; his attitude in Vegas was clearly a sign of poor leadership - he defended FIA & his own interests instead of publicly supporting Vasseur after what happened to Sainz.

[@Housestationlive]

ted without a proper notebook is probably not the real ted 😂

[@obez42]

Ted protesteth too much that he’s not a bonafide Mercedes fan which we know is true, as it’s just a temporary affiliation…😄 What just about every F1 fan that watches Sky-F1 knows is that Ted is Lewis Hamilton’s No 1 Fan!! 🎉🥂 Lol So it’s simply incidental that Lewis (ex McLaren driver…😉) happens to currently drive for Mercedes…😁 So we accept Ted’s word that he is a McLaren fan for sure 😁👍

[@deanholt2135]

What the hell are babbling on about. You and the I hate Ted group are just as bad because whatever he says you lot will twist around. And they come out with a load of nonsense pretty much exactly what you have actually done.

[@firulaybimbinisio]

Wuhahahahaha I love how you put it loooooool

[@robbieceltic1036]

ted talking about unexaptable comments hes full of them hahahahaha the 2 most biased people at sky how they trying to avoid red bull any holidays planned with a british driver ted?

[@alphaargus_23]

I understand why Fred furious in vegas. That penalty for carlos cost them the constructor championship

[@dylanburston7453]

Even then it took a BS penalty for Perez to cost them P2. Shows jsut how many points merc threw away in the final 10 races, as they had a 40 point gap in Spa, and only one of those weekends went cleanly for Ferrari

[@kwizzledizzle4513]

Toto Wolff made a fool out of himself this season...🤷‍♂️

[@johanfeenstra8778]

Haha... you know when a team wins almost everything and sky can only say `don`t be mean to Checo` the criticism is BS.

[@furkanalbayrak5129]

Vasseur's techinal performance was actually the best at Ferrari in years. The car at the start of the season was Binotto's car and for the first time in years Ferrari got better as the year went on instead of getting worse. Very impressed by Vasseur but he needs a couple of years to build his own Ferrari so still more to come from him.

[@dylanburston7453]

It was mainly because of a stalling beam wing. Ferrari tried to copy RBs triple DRS, but the beam wing was stallign round the corners as well, meaning the car couldnt be set up with oversteer until Suzuka (which is why Charles became stupid fast after Suzuka) And its not just the upgrades, its the whole team operaition. Once fred had settled, there was only one strategey blunder (in the teams control) that being Charles in COTA. Gone were the awfull pit stops, as Ferrari were 2nd best. All whilst Mercedes had gone down in those areas, which was traditionally where they beat Ferrari.7th in pitstops, double the upgrades that didnt even have half the impact of those on the Ferrari or the Mclaren, and plenty of bad strategies

[@akinso300]

Typical Mercedes-biased ranking

[@hannantr]

On another podcast please talk about the ways teams need to prepare for upgrades to the cars.

[@Slowpoke7329]

Sky F1 hates Christian Horner.

[@alan_davis]

So do I... It's an opinion piece, not news.

[@deano8875]

aston martin dropped off cuz they didn't see the upgrade path of redbull before there engineers left lol

[@robertl7503]

Do you know what the problem was with Helmut's comments about Sergio were, the media was the problem. Sergio didn't care about it, the media found a way to get a story. The media needs to stop being so sensitive.

[@NotYourEverydayTrav]

F1 media is an absolute joke

[@mralireza931]

If I'm not mistaken that quote from Marco was a couple of weeks old. Some one dug it up and republished it for the clicks.

[@xavzyn]

i’m not sure sergio could even say anything if he was indeed offended… given it’s his boss. hence the uproar.

[@NoxioLukas]

What supprised me most was that his comment was just that Sergio has a stereotypical Latin american approach to things. When people mentioned that Seb was all about knowing every minute detail of the rules and exploiting it, in its essence its the same thing. A stereotype that rings somewhat true. How that got turned into racism is beyond me.

[@Eric-rf1is]

@@xavzyn Helmut is not his boss......... 👍👍

[@mandst5466]

Guenther is THE bloke you would want to go for a beer with though right ! 😂

[@AAa-v3y8z]

Forgot to give my own ratings, maybe I’ll rewatch (update to come)

[@scottmeredith3359]

Mike Crack seems to be doing a good job, but even if I know why he has to back his drivers his defense of Lance was so laughable at times it seemed like even he knew how silly his comments were about Lance at times.

[@justinsmith4562]

Why are u so jealous of Lance?

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

@@justinsmith4562 He's not jealous. He's just able to objectively identify when someone achieves a position through nepotism.

[@Thegreat772]

Mika knew well before they became the 2nd fastest team

[@deechap69]

Agree ….. Horner at #1

[@lancealex382]

It's absolutely no suprise at McLaren's resurgence at the mid point of the season when you consider their very obvious strategy. I.e. don't upgrade over winter at all. Now copy as fast as you can the new redbull. Whereas Aston did the opposite. Copy the 22' redbull over winter start with a great car. But then hit upgrade hell as parts don't correlate anymore

[@dylanburston7453]

That wasnt Mclarens plan. They found the slide pods were the better rout very late into winter break, so shifted philosophy. It took until Austria for it to be made. AM didnt copy the RB at all, but they took a different approach to upgrades. Every other team brought big upgrade packages every 5-6 races or so, weras AM brought small upgrades to nearly every weekend. It meant the upgrades were disjiointed, and they lost alot of pace. They went back to Bahrain spec car in COTA and got much faster again

[@lancealex382]

@@dylanburston7453 well they're neither if them going to admitt it

[@dylanburston7453]

@@lancealex382 I dont need them to admit anything. Ive got eyes. Their concepts are massively different. And the AM is mechanicaly very differnet, with pushrod suspension wereas the RB has Pullrod

[@lancealex382]

@@dylanburston7453 I've done some reading up and you are correct, my error- how often do you hear that in KZbin comments

[@zyxwl2015]

That can't be further away from the truth even if you tried

[@RoysIdea]

10:23 measured against Zack Brown anyone is soft speaking

[@f1greenlight]

Agree with the order 👌

[@ChrisET]

Christian Horner scoring lower on HR 🧐

[@alf050391]

How come gunther beat mike crack and franz tost ?

[@sz5876]

Downvoting for the AWFUL music stings on the podcast version, so incredibly obnoxious and pointless, new topics don't need an annoying sound effect, we don't do that in a conversation. I like to listen to podcasts at night and they're so jarring. Please stop adding them.

[@llllAnthonyllll]

Why has Croftie no decorations on his tree?

[@hamza-chaudhry]

6:20 *Singapore

[@hamza-chaudhry]

0:18 2:25 4:45 _8:53_

[@hamza-chaudhry]

10:35 10:55 17:33 32:42

[@erikvermolen8371]

Ahaa Toxic Ted, the unofficial chairman of the Mercedes-fanclub!

[@basedanarchygameplay181]

Nooo goodbye guenther

[@Goaltimer]

Are journalist following F1 racers? I don't think so.

[@classehermansson5849]

If you have 1000 people to adress in your company, the media would be the shortcut to make your messages go forward to everyone.

[@valydobos6485]

I wouldn't consider Matt's answers... He is not very knowledgeable... Sorry... 🤭

[@howlandgrowl]

I think he's more concerned about his hairstyle

[@michaeldellorso889]

Having Fred second is crazy considering the progress of some teams and the regression of Ferrari.

[@furkanalbayrak5129]

He only came in January with the 2023 car already almost finished. For the first time in a while Ferrari actually developed their car to be faster not slower. Made big improvements in the pit stop departmant. Massively improved the strategy departmant. In just a year he has already done what Binotto couldn't dou in 4 years. It's not his fault.

[@furkanalbayrak5129]

@@michaeldellorso889 Stella has been with Mclaren for almost a decade. And managing Ferrari and managing any other team is a completly different task.

[@keirbourne5323]

Not really his fault when he had nothing to do with the car

[@chrismannion3418]

Ted's notebook at EVERY race plz.

[@zhommes7315]

Of course Lewis is lower rated by the team principles because the drivers do not vote for themselves I assume And Lewis does not participate and therefore influences the outcome in favor of himself

[@mclarenm1]

for me horner stella toto vowels fred ktack toast gunther seidl famin

[@RoysIdea]

Personally I would place Vowels above Toto. Toto seems to be losing it more and more

[@mclarenm1]

@@RoysIdea but still he managed to finish 2nd

[@valydobos6485]

I think Ted is the only one who's talking common sense... The "other two" are just simply... Sky people... censored by contract 😅

[@aroundtheoutsidefone]

🎄

[@nathandrake6531]

red bull f sky

[@Andre_The_Millennial]

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