2023 Ford f450. 6.7 Powerstroke high output. Houston we have a problem. 141k miles.

[@jerrythechainsawguy8100]

I will save you all 13:05. High load @ low RPM = 2 things. 1- high EGT. 2- high drive pressure. If these trucks towed 2000+ rpm they would see lower EGT and not break.

[@ArmyProperty]

Agreed. And the truck should know that. If the boost is up and truck is in tow-haul, it should never let itself run at low RPMs. The transmission is supposed to be smart…. but sure doesn’t act like it

[@aaronstewart8898]

Guys can’t be afraid to lock out 9-10 gear and run the rpms up. I lock them out when towing with mine and get better mileage. I locked 6th out in my ram and kept it around 2k rpm

[@craighoffman6876]

Agreed ya don't want to lug them. All non big rig diesels seem to love running at 1.8 to 2K RPM from a balance of efficiency and power standpoint. That RPM range is their duty cycle.

[@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032]

@@craighoffman6876 my Tremor runs about 1600 @ 70mph, about 2000 @ 80MPH... in Mexico

[@craighoffman6876]

@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032 Perfect. Engines hate it when the transmission forces them to run at 1,200

[@krice24]

Problem is no pickup truck is designed to haul 30-40k all over the country 8hrs a day 200k miles a year. That is semi truck work. It’s designed to haul that weight some but not that much. Compare a Peter built to a pickup truck, look at the coolers, engine size, oil capacity, axles, etc.

[@landondc4739]

Reminds me of the marine world. Pleasure, medium duty, continuous ratings.

[@yourfavoritewelder3162]

Similar to what we see in the welding world. You can lay clean beads with a cheap welder but an expensive welder like miller will handle much longer duty cycles.

[@fastst1]

Well, the pickups will do it for certain, the axles and such are far under rated. It might not be a great idea but a class 8 truck will last a lot longer and do the job easier. A short parking lot hauler seems to be the good spot for the heavy pickups.

[@rodleypumpkins4174]

People do this because it’s cheaper to run a pickup than a semi. The profit margin is often higher when the truck costs $100k instead of $260k for a 589 for example. AND that 589 is gonna need an in frame at what? 450k miles? And that’s gonna cost more than a new motor in that power stroke. AND these guys usually don’t need to have a CDL. I personally wouldn’t do this id buy an older class 8 but I get why they do it. No one cares these parts are weaker and the trucks aren’t meant for this type of use. Most of these guys are towing legal weight as well so they are within the trucks capacity. If these trucks were deleted and free breathing I think they would last quite a bit longer It’s emissions killing these not the use.

[@krice24]

@@rodleypumpkins4174 a new Mack or Ken worth is 200k, double a super duty that last 10 times longer. 600-800k before a 30k in frame

[@johnmann6637]

Love the information. For those who drive big trucks hauling heavy weight we really appreciate it . 140k on a truck the pulls its max most of the time is pretty good. You’ll always have issues like this when u beat your equipment that way but honestly that’s part of it

[@Jon-O.]

Ah The Ram Cummins don't tend to engine issues till 500,000 miles pulling like that. So that's a poor excuse.

[@DonaldJohnson418]

@@Jon-O. The cummins doesn't tow 40k pounds like the Ford does. Everything around the truck seems to fall apart faster on the ram. I have both, and have had less problems with my 6.7 PSD. Both are great trucks at the end of the day.

[@johnmann6637]

@@Jon-O. blaaa ha ha ha how dumb do u sound obviously you have zero experience in this matter

[@samuelhatch8470]

​@@Jon-O.I can assure you Cummins with Aisin will out last any Ford. Plus Cummins has a real exhaust brake. 😂

[@situationaladventures]

💯. I lock out 10th or 9th up grades, if not in manual mode. Each drop cools the EGR inlet between 25-50 degrees. You need to keep the engine above 1800 to stay at or above torque curve. 2000 rpm is where I like to stay up a grade, higher if hotter ambient temp. You can log these engines the way the trans is tuned by Ford. I use iDash to monitor different temps etc.

[@fastst1]

Operator needs a Cab Chassis tune. 6.7 is not a low rpm diesel. I have a 550 with a non-CC tune, but when hauling, tick that (-) button and drop it down 1 or 2 before it even gets pulling up the grade, easy as pie, you are right, its sounds happy at 2500, not as happy as a Detroit green but its not straining.

[@silmez5299]

I love the way you break down the logic about the issue 👏

[@blakew1026]

This is more of a problem of the manufactors need to add in a EGT temp gauge. According to banks at least the older non HO powerstrokes they will pull power at 1450F which is definitely a little to high for long durations. I would say if you tow heavy then you need to get a gauge that will show it and keep it at about 1200f on long climbs.

[@repairvehicle]

@@blakew1026 scangauge has been great for me to display egts and beyond

[@BrandonBigB956]

That's part of the problem with newer VGT turbos they lug the engine down low produce high egts, load the main and rod bearings. You make 1000ft/lbs at 1500rpm vs 3000rpm at 1500 you double the load on the bearings, rods, pistons and put a lot of pressure to lift the head.

[@Brandon_Nelson92]

VGT turbos don't cause these engines to lug. They allow them to make good power while lugging. The software is what controls shift points. The 6.0 powerstroke has a VGT and doesn't lug.

[@Paper4150]

The GM L5P locks out 10th when in tow haul so that RPMs stay up.

[@jeremylyons6252]

The biggest thing for me is we buy trucks to use. We shouldn't see issues like these working our trucks. I've got a new 24 f350 h.o. and I've got a 99 ram 3500 Cummins all stock and a 04 ram all stock and i pull regularly at over 30k with no issues. My trailer weighs 11,200 lbs and i haul equipment on it all over the place. Never had any issues with the dodge loaded other than not enough ass at times but mechanically no issues at all. This is a ford problem, not a gotta baby your truck problem. If we use this excuse then we are letting manufacturers off the hook. Better materials should be used. My 24 f350 has less than 300 miles and the air conditioning doesn't work. 100k for junk parts. We are seeing cost triple but manufacturers are using cheaper parts and less qc

[@christopherrubay3918]

Also I think two piece manifold would allow the manifold to expand and contract without breaking manifold bolts. Also when pulling heavy loads especially steep grades I would put the transmission in manually shift mode to keep the rpm’s at a better range

[@1smokan]

Ford needs to come up with better manifolds.

[@jimf1450]

I'm glad I bought a 24 HO Ram I can only imagine what issues the 25 8 speeds will have

[@bigbwelding1]

Correct me if I am wrong ford put stainless manifolds on the high output and stainless will have color change , I am wondering if them manifolds are expanding and contracting to much cause stainless will have different rates of expansion and contraction then regular cast iron i personally dont like that change , i think regular cast would work better and i honestly think thats why the studs broke and has nothing to do with the driver

[@JaegerWrenching]

This guy is the definition of the dunning kruger effect. He is always spewing some random theories he's concocked in his head as if it's gospel to the internet. He doesn't even know those manifolds are stainless lmao....

[@DS-TRUCKS]

Wow! That white limited looks good with those Wheels!

[@Billybob50119]

This is unacceptable. Ford did very little with the HO motor. Putting a water cooled turbo jacket on the HO is the cheapest route possible to try to lower EGTs. They need larger Intercoolers and oil coolers and higher flow heads at the very least. Ford cooling fans run constant when towing and always run hotter temps than the other diesels. This puts much more strain on the motor and the long term effects are detrimental. Anyone can turn up a diesel engine for high numbers it is a whole other thing to keep egts cool and have a motor that can last

[@tonymarmo4769]

In 2021 Ford made numerous internal improvements including upgraded pistons in anticipation of the 475-500 hp platform.

[@blakew1026]

@@Billybob50119 they did actually redesign the cylinder heads changing the coolant channels and giving it inkenel exhaust valves instead of stainless to handle heat better. They also said they used stainless steel exhaust manifolds compared to the non HO versions. It looks like the manifolds are not stainless but I guess they made just the up pipes stainless then. Also I don’t know about the hotter temps my 24 250 HO I have never seen about 210 coolant temps without the fan kicking on. It runs mostly 188-198. And about 200-210 oil temps. I don’t think that’s very hot. Granted a loaded down 450 could definitely get hotter than that. It’s just what I have experienced.

[@Billybob50119]

@@blakew1026 obviously they didn’t do enough if the motors can’t last towing hard. But why would anyone trust Ford to make something reliable, they are the only manufacturer to still be using the garbage CP4.

[@blakew1026]

@@Billybob50119 Hey every engine has the possibility to be a lemon. Just because one failed doesn't mean that every motor will have this problem. Also the CP4 isn't really as bad as people make it out to be. Most failures are because of lack of filter changes or water in the fuel. Ford did mess up and design the motor around the CP4 when they made it making it harder to swap it out for another pump. But Ford did it because no other pump can support the high fuel pressures that the CP4 can supply when working. And the higher fuel pressures allows more of the fuel to be burnt in the cylinders and not out the exhaust resulting in cleaner emissions. So you can dump more fuel in to make more power and still have it me legal. Ram tried to switch to the CP4 also but went back to the CP3. And people are saying that the ram is maxed out on power without failing emissions standards. And my dad is about 200,000 on his stock CP4. My buddy is at like 330,000 on the stock CP4. And my brother is at 130,000 on the stock CP4. Granted now you can get the DCR conversion kit and be worry free. Honestly Ford should just partner with them and install them on the new trucks coming out of the factory.

[@Billybob50119]

@@blakew1026 CP4 failures are a huge problem. Tons of failures, horrible design. Extremely fragile pump. There are many pumps that can supply enough pressure Ford was just stupid and designed the motor to only fit the CP4. They do fail, it’s luck if they don’t. The HO has been said by many top diesel builders that it is not designed to last very long when towing heavy. Ford has the worst quality and reliability of any manufacturer at the moment. Hopefully they learn the most power on paper isn’t the most important. Good solid numbers and reliability are. They all have well enough power, reliability is way more important

[@davidjaskiewicz3461]

Just got a 2024 f350 6.7 high output. What is your recommendation for a quality diesel fuel additive? I have been told hotshots or archoil. Love your channel. This is my first emmisions diesel, I have had 4 pre emissions diesel trucks.

[@wallyyuriy8912]

I find my ram with Aisin likes to stay low rpm too. Glad it’s just has 4:10 rear so at highway speed it’s revved up a bit

[@swishmaster1]

i agree, more rpm and get the boost up... Low rpm, lugging and egt's start climbing, get the turbo up and rollin.

[@christopherrubay3918]

Also I think two piece manifold would allow the manifold to expand and contract without breaking manifold bolts. Also when pulling heavy loads especially steep grades I would put the transmission in manually shift mode to keep the rpm’s at a better range. U have to drive the truck like a professional. Not just stick it in drive and steer it down the road. Know your truck

[@fordmuscleluis9710]

I can't wait to see you replacing the motor parts back together soon

[@lynnward6982]

Off topic on the Ford video...but have you or could you share your thoughts on the 19+ model Rams ticking after an oil change? I figure you may notice it less working them like you do, they tend to quiet down after 300-600 miles (about a day in hotshot)...I have a new 2024 2500 and changed the oil the other day to T6 10w30...within 30 miles it started the tick, the tick is about gone now after 300 miles...almost seems like it needs some soot in the oil to work right, the darker the oil gets the quieter the engine gets....first oil change on this truck.

[@russ8625]

Ford that’s why

[@DamonReynolds-e3w]

First year engine woes. Yeah, it's a 6.7 but the power upgrades were a newer addition.

[@phxbro1]

Freightliner has a new pickup truck called a pioneer which has a base price they say of $8,000 in a variety of engines can be put into a and it can be used as a really good work truck

[@andrewslagle1974]

I have seen problems from some drivers not towing in tow haul mode ,Witch i have seen take out a few transmissions .Is the driver running it in tow haul mode ?

[@texan77581]

Need to watch exhaust temp in the mountains. In hot weather get into manual and drop 1 extra gear raise rpm reduce power

[@Evil-Jesus]

I could understand maybe one out of 10 words of what this guy is saying.

[@2010drive]

Clean your ears out boy

[@markcarraway879]

On the 6.7 HO, I believe those manifolds are stainless, not cast iron.

[@kenkaplan4413]

I'm so glad I lemon lawed my 2022 f450 and kept my 3500 Ram dually. That truck was nothing but trouble.

[@DonaldJohnson418]

My 6.7 cummins went through 2 head gaskets and multiple front ends. Granted it has 317k miles. My 6.7 PSD is at 433k and never had any major problems.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

​@@DonaldJohnson418never had any issues with our dodge front ends

[@mr8610]

You win some you lose some. I’ve ran them all, and the only truck that gave me issues was my Cummins. Transmission just couldn’t figure out what it wanted to do with its life.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

@@mr8610 re learn it then

[@mr8610]

@@wizard_of_poz4413 relearn two blown transmissions? Lol

[@sounboy4498]

The turbocharger inlet face looks very dirty ,is that dirt or burnt oil buildup?

[@angrybeavers1175]

Ford joonk thing would make a better dumpster.

[@mjsauto6432]

lol ram not better 2022 blowing up left right and centre

[@Michael-Youtube98]

Did you do the fuel pump disaster prevention kit? Will you? and do you plan to add the FASS system?

[@Itsa_Mea]

Not his truck

[@gdcatalyst7812]

2023 with 141k is diabolical

[@23chrisjames]

Do you run stealth modules? I wonder if those would keep the rpm higher.

[@GregoryRendon-l7i]

That's why cummins rules-

[@coreycantwell5990]

Cummins is having all kinds of problems

[@GregoryRendon-l7i]

@coreycantwell5990 as time goes on they will, but it's the lesser of the evils, with much fewer parts than a v-8. Motors, for has 2 oil pans, 2 thermostat, 2 coolers, more parts more failure, but Ford is all about selling parts,

[@kevinmaxwell6331]

EGT gauge

[@F450FTW]

If he's running 1600rpm in that F450, he must only be driving 50-55mph. With 4.30 gears I am running 2100-2200rpm at 70 in my F450.

[@TimothyDavis-gl1hh]

Bring back manual transmissions!

[@VQ38DD]

As someone who tows heavy, I can tell you nothing comes good out of leaving the truck in 10th gear while climbing grades at 1600 rpm. You start disrobing all the fluid temps up bc you are not moving enough coolant, transmission fluid, and oil to remove the heat fast enough which is why you need RPM. While climbing grades hit the minus on the shifter to not let the truck go into higher than 8th gear and all the fluids will stay cooler especially the EGT’s when you get back to flat ground let it go back into 10th gear. the 6r140 was better for towing period. Just not let it come out of 5th gear and it was simpler. There really is no need to have 10 gears behind the V8 diesel. An inline needs all those gears not a V8 diesel.

[@nicmonson6466]

Notice how the issues are on the egr side

[@jayg479]

I agree.

[@TheIceStormof1906]

You are rambling, speculating and do not know what the heck you’re saying!!! You’re literally making it up as you’re going along!!!!

[@coldnnh6983]

Imagine the condition of the pistons… not the engine for towing heavy loads, it’s a bragging rights engine

[@repairvehicle]

@@coldnnh6983 engine is done, damage is beyond these repairs. It’s money pit at this point, everything will going bad with this engine now. Oil consumption, frequent regen, low power and so on. Best option is to put new engine

[@foreshee10]

That truck has a 4.30 gear its not going to lug if you use tow mode.

[@ShannonJanzen]

Is it a cab and chassis or a pickup with the box removed?

[@zb6618]

I would assume pick up because I don’t think it could have the high output otherwise

[@BrandonLeech]

Had to be a F450 pickup I guess. They don’t do HO on the cab chassis trucks I don’t think. They actually de-tune those below the SO power level so they run cooler.

[@Itsa_Mea]

It is an H.O. F450 Pickup. C&C has a flat frame behind the cab, this truck does not. And it has the midship fuel/def fill. All indicators it started it's life as a pickup. The owner I'm sure removed the bed so he could register it as a tractor.

[@f-j-Services]

Should offer a manual transmission.

[@DA-ev1jb]

Need to pull grades at higher rpms don't lug your engine find that sweet spot and hold it.

[@CodySimoncelli-of7xx]

Typical Ford motor company ego. Truck is trying to be something that it’s not. Nobody prior to 2023 ever said the 6.7 didn’t have enough power. And what did ford do? Give it bigger headlights and bigger power. But more plastic, body panels that are left unpainted on the inside, and still a cp4. It’s all for sales and nothing more. If it makes it out of warranty, that’s ALL that FoMoCo cares about. So you can trade it in, in 2 years when they do the same slew of updates again. That’s how it works.

[@jamesdolgener7892]

I've had them all and each one has it's pluses and minuses. I have found, if it says H.O stay away. When you run out of warranty, change the fuel pump and delete it. I just talked to Ram dealer last week, he said stay away from the H.O that they had several blown engines on Rams.

[@kenneth6382]

Turn her down, she ll be around! Pops used to say, “You can have TOO much POWAH” in a truck….

[@BrandonLeech]

Unless you keep very close watch on your temperatures in tougher pulling conditions I would agree. There's not enough, too much, and just right.

[@chadmiller6487]

Dude has vanished

[@Sighclops23]

That's because he's in legal trouble. www.justice.gov/usao-edwa/pr/two-men-indicted-scheme-tamper-pollution-control-systems-violation-clean-air-act

[@Codemanstheman]

Is this not in warranty?

[@Itsa_Mea]

140k miles and Commercial use on a pickup, not a chance. 😂

[@123donmaster]

Lower rpm up hill under load = higher EGTs!!!!

[@danerickson1733]

Junk

[@omardevonlittle3817]

Blaming the driver not knowing simple math😂.... smh.

[@bmclemore8203]

Too much light duty aluminum. Real diesels that work are made of iron.

[@Spoolingturbski]

I knew when they announced 500hp 1200lb torque this engine was going to be problems long term.

[@GregoryRendon-l7i]

Stressed out motor-- inline diesel are not

[@dustinchandler8111]

Yeah, tell that to cylinder number six

[@kenneth6382]

Yeah, while SCANIA says “Hold my beer!”

[@Dbars19]

just buy a damn semi. these arnt bult to be used that much.

[@crazyhass84]

If u can't lug your diesel then it's a paperweight! Dumbest think ever that i would have to operate at 2500rpm wasting more fuel vs 1700rpm. Why the f$ck u need 1200 lb ft on a 100k truck if u can't use it?!!

[@bentonheath7838]

You're a pretty smart guy, however, Ram builds a better truck. Go back to what you know best. Respectfully.

[@JoshuaOverman]

Ford builds a better truck in every way.

[@dmanmb]

This isn’t his truck. Also, he tries different trucks to make sure his guys have the best equipment possible.

[@Tdaz250]

Currently they dont

[@vernt4583]

Ram 🐏 is heading backwards in a Badddd way ….

[@lobuk516]

What you're meaning to say is Cummins does it better than Ford.

[@JohnDoe-gm5ux]

Nothing like a 120k truck that won’t make it last 140k. More ford junk

[@hpkntnw]

This guy needs a Kenworth T280 or something like that that meant for 150,000 miles a year loaded with 40,000 lbs. this guy is using an F-450 pickup not a cab & chassis like he should. The GVWR of that truck is only 14,000 lbs, he’s overloaded and overusing. 140K on a 23 there’s no way he keeps up with maintenance. That trucks lucky to get shut off at night.

[@hardback69]

Maybe the driver just plane beat the shoot out of it

[@jamesdolgener7892]

I've had them all and each one has it's pluses and minuses. I have found, if it says H.O stay away. When you run out of warranty, change the fuel pump and delete it. I just talked to Ram dealer last week, he said stay away from the H.O that they had several blown engines on Rams.

[@georgecass8529]

Junk