2023 Honda Civic Type R v Toyota GR Corolla GTS road/track comparison (inc. lap times)

[@gabrielarch5242]

Own both, 20,000km on Corolla vs 2000 on Civic. Spot on review! Head says Honda, heart…Corolla, more “smiles per miles”. Cheers…

[@operationgetthugs232]

Sucked in twice. Wow.

[@kenanaojacob2854]

So you can't choose which you enjoy more?

[@gabrielarch5242]

Tough call! Civic is more car, all around. While the Corolla more fun, all around. Both are very compelling. If you live in the snow belt or where the roads are rougher the Corolla if you live in warmer climates with smooth surfaces, the Civic.

[@Duuhvis]

I own the GR Corolla and I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. I know people poo poo on the interior, but it is perfect for me. Even the lack of an arm rest hasn’t bothered me one bit. After all, I bought it for its uniqueness and performance. Great video!

[@jeanblue8424]

So the track time difference is largely down the the tyres PS4S vs YOKO ADVAN. Would like to see a comparison on the same tyres.

[@darrenprior6339]

Try this: Type R actually beats the Morizo - and the R is on worse tyres. Having said that on mountain roads, I’d much prefer the Toyota just because the rally suspension handles rough stuff better and no matter how good a FWD is on a track, on a tight corner or wet round, you’re going to get axle hop and torque steer, especially as the tyres lose tread over time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6avpJiBhriUfM0

[@JG-mg3if]

⁠@Wu Mao I think I watched that show, if memory serves me correct. The type R was faster by .2 or something. So it wasn’t off by much of any

[@tinhinnh]

yeah he made it sound like its 5 sec

[@rjhick1]

Both cars are pretty eventually matched. It really comes down to the track that will potentially favor one or another but honestly it'll just come down to the driver

[@aalin1313]

Savagegeese have just done a video with the same tyre, and the difference is only 0.07 seconds, so basically on par between the two. They all picked the Civic above the Corolla though in their personal preference.

[@dkcreativedslrvideo5578]

Still think the Corolla is a better all rounder. It’s quicker off the line and would be my pick for a spirited drive, especially on a wet greasy back road.

[@TerryManitoba]

Exactly - the very reason I'm getting one to replace my Fiesta ST...

[@ericvermeulen9853]

I own a GR rally Yaris and all i can say is it’s simply amazing

[@caffeinefix2751]

Agreed. I am struggling to justify selling my GRY after the arrival of my FL5 but man, lucky to have crossed paths with the GRY for sure

[@ericvermeulen9853]

For FL5 money I’ll ad some and get a Ariel atom🤩, definitely my next toy

[@billshoe22191]

I’m guessing tires was the biggest deciding factor here in the track times. Would love to see these two on the same tires

[@aalin1313]

Savagegeese have just done a video with the same tyre, and the difference is only 0.07 seconds, so basically on par between the two. They all picked the Civic above the Corolla though in their personal preference.

[@StinkySundae]

@@aalin1313 they picked the Elantra over the Corolla

[@jimmyvu6919]

Front wheel drive has its limits. I’ll take the Corolla any day.

[@93455Driver]

The Integra S is edging so close to M2C used prices....even used AMG 45 CLA and GLA, would be a great comparo of these different cars but all drivers cars. Wonder how close an I30N is to the Civic Type R? In the US the Elantra N is @$10k cheaper than a Type R.

[@johnnyresistance]

Great review, nice to see an Aussie channel with lap times too.

[@lidodd]

Sad to see Mazda is not in the game

[@miguelramirez2713]

I crossed shopped these vehicles along with the new WRX. Ultimately ended up with the WRX because the dealers here in the states want to bend you over for a GR or Type R. In all honesty, the GRC felt extremely cheap inside when I test drove it. And the engine felt out of breath. My Kona N felt faster. Unfortunately dealers wouldn't let me test the new CTR but I was tired of FWD anyways. I live in Florida and wanted something that wasn't useless during the rainy months. The WRX was like the Swiss army knife of them all. The acceleration is very close to these but it handled much better than the previous STi. The new engine feels like it has alot more in it. The interior was light years ahead of the GRC but I'd say less special feeling than the CTR. Either way, all great choices. Honorable mention; Elantra N is a phenomenal bargain too.

[@sonydominates]

I reserved a GR Corolla allocation the other day after renting a WRX on Turo and absolutely loving it. It has a surprising amount of torque and pulls well on the highway and is great in street driving. My fun car is a 2016 Mustang GT PP, so I wanted to add something with a different drivetrain, either MR or AWD. I think I may go with the GRC for now since I reserved one at MSRP for a circuit. Decided, if I don't like it, I'll just sell the GRC and get a WRX instead. Interesting to hear your take.

[@miguelramirez2713]

@layne4376 Well i did settle that was the whole bit about me not wanting to pay tons in mark-up and not sure if you have driven them all but the Corolla is not "way quicker". None of the vehicles mentioned are "way quicker" than each other. We're comparing sub 300hp sedans. Now if you compare them to the G80 M3 we have, they are all turtles. The Corolla just didn't feel right. I expected more punch. The WRX feels very close to it in acceleration and every other dynamic in that sense. Like I said before, my Kona N felt faster than both in a straight line. And in terms of the handling, the new WRX in my opinion feels like it has a better chassis than the previous STi. Missing the brembos hasn't made a difference for me on the street but the biggest let down is the electric steering. The steering in previous gens felt much better, but that's just one aspect of how the car handles. It otherwise to me feels better, more compliant.

[@Crownleyian]

Dude comparing the handling of a GR Corolla stating it’s better than a GR Yaris, well my dude what GR Yaris we talking about here? Rallye or Standard without the LSDs and worse stock tires? Because according to your channel didn’t see you drive a GRY Rallye…

[@addictedtosliding]

Better than a Rallye, which in turn is way better than the standard car

[@boskojovanovic2770]

Very good informative review. I know people don't buy these cars for their aesthetics, but I don't think I could live with that Toyota interior as a daily driver.

[@Philbyyyy]

What car do you drive?

[@djizzah]

Toyota cheaper all wheel drive more versatile better resale easier cheaper parts and servicing

[@alsayedfakhri4597]

Probably should watch the video... The corolla servicing is every 6 months and costs more 🤣

[@opadilla123]

Sorry but the honda has better resale toyota are cheaper than hondas

[@christopherbassit2757]

@@opadilla123 Tacoma has the best resale value in US for a reason

[@GNP999]

Another win for the CTR. seems to be the verdict for most car reviews. Just an observation, for what it’s worth

[@mappyfrappy]

Depends on what you want to do with it. I find my stock CTR much more preferable vs my heavily-modded STI for most things. Yeah, in wet/snow, not so much. But no one should be racing around in those conditions anyway. Right? If you're on the fence, just sell all personal belongings and get a 911 turbo. You may be sleeping in it, but you won't have any complaints about how fast it its.

[@hellgateiscloseddontgother8736]

I start to hate honda dealership for jake the price to 60k or 70k just the type R .

[@washout04]

*correction. Civic does have speed sign recognition

[@carsales]

You're right it does and apologies this change wasn't in the edit!

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Both are terrifically good hot hatches but boy so over priced essecially with the low production runs so there is a mark up or a long wait. The i30n I think was the last afordable hot hatch before that even started creeping up in price but now end of life! Hot hatches used to be just about affordable for the average person, that is what made them so unique but now I think they are a dying breed and these are probably the last before the EV world completly takes over...something I am not looking forward to but hey, I am old and on the way out but thank God I got enjoy the best back in the eighties and nineties.

[@doublerfanatic5641]

The FL5 is a clear winner.

[@christopherbassit2757]

Gr corolla all day. Loving mine

[@s4awd2]

The Civic is a class above but rally car, GR Corolla included are almost always more fun.

[@JG-mg3if]

They always making videos on a track n perfect weather. Well yeah the type R will probably win most races. How about next time reviewers get track time on a wet surface,snow or dirt and let’s see the overall scores to those results

[@stormthing22]

I think thats mostly the climate in aus. Pretty dry, doesn't snow or rain too much depending on which state you're in

[@JG-mg3if]

@@stormthing22 Yeah I get it, I’m from the states. But I was referring to All the KZbin reviewers, all they do is pavement tracks. I like both cars but hopping I can get a GR.

[@da-yh3uy]

@@JG-mg3if because the type r is made as a track car the fck? thats like saying oh why don't people review mclarens and ferraris in rally courses

[@JG-mg3if]

@@da-yh3uy you don’t get it do you? So because the CTR is a track car we should do everything under his terms. I guess I can say the GR is more of a elements kind of car. Only track it under the GR terms!

[@mappyfrappy]

Good point, CTR owner here. Has a STI before. Wet/snow, both beat the CTR like a red-headed step child. That said, and cant attest to the GR since I haven't driven one, but the CTR is a way

[@nfspeedy2]

In Australia you dont have traffic sign recognition on the Type R? Thats weird. In europe we have it in every honda as standard since 2016 even the Honda Jazz/Fit have it...

[@caffeinefix2751]

We do. I'm in Melbourne Australia and my FL5 recognises the speed limits and puts that on the instrument cluster. Video is mistaken

[@-Cold-World]

Civic has MPS4S Corolla has MPS4 (missing the S)… and civic has 265vs235 on Corolla. Only fair comparison would be on identical tires

[@stopspin]

One is inspired by rally racing and the other by circuit/ road coures racing. So inspitation is from very different fundermentals. Short tight twisty and wet conditions the corolla is king and the civic is king in longer to medium or 90 degree turns like the race track or roads that are of that nature. The corolla is my choice based on where I live with cold wet winters and short summers and narrow roads, 4wd layout and manual hand brake. If you live where weather conditions are dryer then the civic might be your choice but not a great choice if the road surfaces are poor and bumpy due to its very stiff uncomprimising suspension for track use.

[@malcougar]

Last statement bit of a fopar. Same magazine, same track, Megane IV RS Trophy-R time was 1:23.27. Bit like Honda's time at the Nurburgring in a cheater car running shorter ratio gearbox and more boost. Still, at $72600 good value.

[@addictedtosliding]

Also, professional racing driver in a stripped out two-seater on Cup tyres. But good shout, both Megane Trophy-Rs were pretty special

[@operationgetthugs232]

Good value! Lol.

[@DataGear-q5z]

I haven't driven a FWD in years, Last one was a TRD Aurion (240kw 2GR-FSE Supercharged from factory) and it bunny hopped in the rain and torque steered like bat shit crazy., How should this be any different. Gosh the interior of the GR is the same dreary trim as the 2019 Corolla Ascent that goes for around $20,000 Australian dollars.

[@fergusodaly3]

Which one would you trust more in rain, snow, dirt?

[@vichetkim5533]

Why the reviewer kept comparing the Corolla to the Yaris makes no sense given that the title of the video is against the Civic.

[@ricklee3]

How would the AMG A45S and Audi RS3 compare to these two?

[@ricklee3]

@@volkz247 besides the price difference, performance all round?

[@washout04]

That driving position in the Corolla looks really high for some reason.

[@tinhinnh]

proper rally style

[@holidaeyy674]

Not even a comparison FL5 IS SO MUCH PREMIUM!! Corolla just looks so much cheap plastic..

[@SnoopiFL5]

Type R better car inside out.

[@mharro88]

Less fun to drive though.

[@JG-mg3if]

Agree on the inside but the GR looks better from outside

[@da-yh3uy]

said from 99% of people who havent driven both

[@mharro88]

@@da-yh3uy I have

[@mharro88]

@wumao8842 pics of what?

[@lebrondog6]

Drove the Honda 25 percent harder lol. Funny as hell

[@neubs1969]

i,ve driven both cars , and can say honda feels way quicker ,drives alot diferent

[@ericvermeulen9853]

Ok so ad the 10 grand to the GR for some software and proper exhaust and it will walk over the type R at the same total price…….just saying, nothing against the type R

[@WestUCoog]

GR Corolla all the way!

[@ericvermeulen9853]

Bring the GR track version of the corolla

[@carsales]

We'll be driving it very soon!

[@LessTalkMoreDelicious]

CTR front end looks so nice! …plus Honda reliability and mechanical and suspension engineering! Corolla… 🤮

[@raynaldfernandez1436]

Give me the Civic all day long

[@JacesOwnWorld]

0:13-0:16 Lol. The only fast car out of any of those cars you mentioned here, is the Supra. And that’s only because it’s 90% BMW 🤣. “On top of the performance car world.” 🤣🤣🤣 Give me a break guy…

[@mharro88]

@wumao8842 mate a supra is hardly reliable if you want to start talking about repair bills.

[@mharro88]

Yeah on track the i30n sedan can certainly match the type r. Especially the DCT despite it being less engaging.

[@mharro88]

@wumao8842 I wish ? I've seen it.

[@minimumtrade]

Nope. CTR has Significant Power to weight adv. Significant mechanical grip adv w/dual axis struts and 265 tyre all round. Cant fight physics.

[@mharro88]

@@minimumtrade tyre width definitely and maybe brakes but the i30n sedan beat the older gen around the track on that Throttlehouse review and that was the slower manual so the DCT up against it would be neck and neck for sure. I've seen people go to 255 on the sedan without rub and they keep up.. certainly isn't 20k price difference in performance which is a joke.

[@altusheyns9620]

My FK8 beats i30N's with ease on track days. Believe me, no comparison

[@mharro88]

@@altusheyns9620 the hatch or sedan? Highly doubt you're beating the sedan with ease especially the DCT. It's just quicker. Watch Throttlehouse review. I30n sedan beat the golf r, Corolla GR and the fk8... And that was the manual version.. (slower) so clearly there is a comparison.

[@KimoKimochii]

not once in the whole video did you ever show the back of either cars. massive fail

[@AKK5I]

Don't worry, on the road you'll be seeing a whole lot of them from the rear anyways

[@KimoKimochii]

@@AKK5I 😂 i was trying to compare what both car looks like as well from the back

[@mharro88]

@@AKK5I I doubt you'll see any... There's about 500 type rs sold for the entire country.

[@lukelawrence6007]

If i were to drop 70k on a car civic i would go for

[@deejayrelapz6903]

yea bargain lol delusional world we live in depreciative assets, car market destroyed ruined globally. 80k for 30k cars make sense in world where technology makes everything cheaper. this is funny to watch. best of luck to those contributing to overpriced economy lol

[@muhammedbappa7560]

Type r fora

[@Mexxx65]

Just over-priced shopping hatchbacks.... Hot Hatches were MEANT to be affordable. Not some low-volume specialist track day racing car. I mean if you want a proper Track day car, get a proper track day car!!!!

[@TerryManitoba]

welcome to the real world Son... Speed don't come cheap🐓🐔🐓

[@Mexxx65]

@@TerryManitoba You used to be able to get a V8 for less than these High Priced Hot Hatch posers.

[@TerryManitoba]

@@Mexxx65 What - U livin' in 1999. If you don't like da HH vibe go buy a V8 & move on... Simple Nuf fer Ya Son & when you get a real job come back & buy a proper car (that is actually fun to drive!) when you can afford it-:)

[@Mexxx65]

@@TerryManitoba My all time absolute dream car garage....in it...i would have a Toyota Corolla Hatchback Honda Civic Hatchback Don't think I'm missing anything out there Lol.

[@TerryManitoba]

@@Mexxx65 Sure -what ever float UR boat - buy two cars that are virtually the same - Good Choice.

[@TerryManitoba]

I want the GR Corolla for the Fun/Playful/Rally Style driving that the AWD will offer as opposed to a FWD torque steer monster. Tack times mean little to me. Fun Factor Rules. I say this having owned several 911s and still own a '14 Fiesta ST from new. The ST is good fun - But I know I will enjoy the GR waaaaay more (that is when my allocation # comes up-:)