2023 Subaru Outback VS 2023 Subaru Forester || Which One Should You Buy?

2023 Subaru Outback VS 2023 Subaru Forester Review. We review and test drive the 2023 Subaru Outback and 2023 Subaru Forester to find out which is the best reliable SUV to buy. We also cover the 2023 Toyota RAV4, 2023 Honda CR-V, and a few other SUVs to see how they compare. If you are buying a 2023 Subaru Outback or 2023 Subaru Forester, make sure to watch this comparison review.
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[@LookingGlass24]

I’ve been test driving both the Outback (OBV) and the Forester (FV) for weeks now and these are my findings: - The OBV has a lot more leg room for driver and passenger especially, so better for folks with knee problems like me. Also, it has comfort seats that the FV doesn’t have. I have spine and disc issues and could feel the difference. - the OBV is a bit wider too, by an inch+ or so, so it feels more spacious than the FV. - Shorter vehicles tend to maneuver better in snow than longer ones. The FV is shorter. - if you had to sleep inside either vehicle, the Outback is a foot longer-it’d be more comfy. - The infotainment of the OBV is beautiful and millennials love buttons instead of knobs, so it has the potential to sell better in future years because all brands are moving toward larger infotainment systems and one gets used to clicking through the screens. I found it simple to navigate. - The way the OBV Carrie’s a cell phone is far superior than the FV. In the FV you can’t position an iPhone7+ well at all. It’s crazy how poorly designed this is. In the Forester. In the OBV, you can drop it into the cubby hole nicely and the Touring Trim has wireless when you slide it in regardless of size of the iPhone. It’s the little things that sometimes helps us make our decisions, isn’t it? - the FV is made in Japan, the OBV is assembled in Indiana Being an Industrial Engineer that’s well acquainted with Japanese LEAN & TQM, the Japanese are obsessed with perfection in their manufacturing and I’d much prefer a Japanese-made vehicle than an American one. But I’m still liking the OBV better in spite of this. However, it’s perhaps because the FV is Japanese made, that the iPhone holding issue is so poor and I feel cramped on the front seat although I’m only 5’ tall. The Japanese don’t use their devices as ubiquitously as us Americans do. And as far as sitting, for real, the OBV is way more comfortable for me. I wish though that the OBV had also been fully made in Japan because I consider them to be perfectionists. FYI-The VIN numbers starting with J means Japan. When a VIN starts with a number, it’s made here in the US. :) - Geico insurance is $10 more for the OBV Touring and Wilderness than respective FV models in Connecticut. - Property taxes (in states that have this), for OBV will be higher since it costs more. I need to call my city tomorrow to get those numbers. - The FV is awaiting a major redesign in 2025, some say that a hybrid engine is coming. No one really knows yet but that’s the rumor. The current OBV won’t go through a redesign as quickly. - Which one do I like better so far? The Outback! It’s more comfortable for me and I like it’s wagon style much better. It’s more quintessential a look. More classy, not as trendy as boxier SUVs are. But the additional comfort and spaciousness makes a huge difference for me. I’ve yet to work through the numbers and don’t know if I’ll be able to afford an Outback though. I also like both cars better than the RAV4 hybrid, which I’ve also been testing since I drive a Toyota Corolla Hatchback right now. Both Subarus feel less “truck-y” than the RAV4 hybrid. Plus, I don’t drive enough to need a hybrid. Hybrid batteries don’t like to sit. Hope my comments help someone out there! Cheers! 😊

[@denisramos4028]

Thank so much for share this

[@ashstone5475]

Can you share what you picked? I'm currently debating both

[@jp7585]

I've owned 2 Outbacks and a Forester. I just ordered a Forester. For me it really comes down to how you use it. I'm a big guy over 6 feet tall. The Forester has unparalleled ease of access (getting in and out) and a cavernous rear cargo area. The Outback is a tiny bit sportier looking and little lower roof height with better access to overhead cargo options and built in cross rails. Almost everything else about them is identical.

[@robertgloverjr]

I have an outback and my wife has a 2021 Forrester. I am 6 feet tall the same as you. You re in for a big shock when you discover that the facial recognition system in the Forester blocks your ability as a tall person to see the top portion of the secondary central Consol. You'll see what I mean when you drive your new Forester. to see the top portion you'll have to temporarily stump down in your seat. This problem only started with the most recent five-year redesign of the Forrester.

[@BIGBROTHERiswatchinU]

6'6" here with a large build (320lbs) and I just bought a 2024 Outback Wilderness with the 2.4L turbocharged engine. I find it to be roomy enough, but yes, the roof is a little lower. Even at this height though, I regularly drive much smaller cars than this. Unless someone has some mobility issues that make getting in and out difficult, the Outback should work even for tall people. It does for me anyway. My wife was concerned that due to my height as well as overall size we would have to get a Forester when she really wanted an Outback, and we were very pleased that the Outback works.

[@Doc1855]

I LOVE the infotainment system on my Forester and hate it on my wife’s Outback.

[@ArkansasBassMan]

I loved my 2019 Mustang GT. It was fun and fast. But I needed something practical and utilitarian so I sold the Stang and went with a 23 Outback Onyx XT and am nowhere regretting the purchase. I miss that hot car but I'm glad I can pull my kayak trailer, load up fishing gear, go off-roading to get to those outdoor spots, and haul a massive telescope for dark sky viewing. No regrets.

[@WontSeeReplies]

My wife owns a 23 Forester. I personally miss her 17 Outback. Less tech to break and much more comfort as a taller passenger. As a driver they are similar. I’m only 6’1” but find if I don’t tilt and slide the seat forward my arm hits the pillar(between doors) versus resting on the armrest ahead of me. As someone with leg/muscle aches, I require the seat set back a bit. And my knee rubs a lot on the hard plastic which connects the counsel to the dash, no matter where I sit. Appearance is the only thing I like more about the 2023 Forester. I haven’t had it in harsh conditions, but it appears it’s more dependent on technology/button settings to achieve any additional performance. Both cars have terrible radio/climate controls. Touchscreens do not belong in vehicles, isn’t being on our smartphones while driving illegal? I like the smaller Forester touchscreen versus the massive Outback’s, but then they added another annoying second screen above it. The nob controls on the forester are better than touch, but seriously lacking without a screen. Vehicles are becoming more distracting and complex to operate with time. It should be the other way around.

[@mj6493]

Bought an Outback in early 2021. So far, no problems. I tested both the Forrester and Outback and chose the Outback for its “pillowy soft” ride. Opted not to get the turbo and have never regretted it. The non-turbo has sufficient power. Got it just before car prices went through the roof. In fact, they discounted the car by $3000 USD, and gave me 0% financing. I doubt I could get that deal today.

[@he6005]

What is the difference in rear seat comfort between these two cars? I found the rear seats of the outback is way more comfortable......

[@mojavedesertsonorandesert9531]

Great buy at the right time!

[@amitgota]

Lock that car in. Thieves maybe look out for you

[@TrendyTryhard]

@@amitgotawho steals an Outback? Lmfao

[@paulholterhaus7084]

I've had 2 Subies........And have My 3rd on order......ZERO problems....Paul

[@dethsyl907]

It may depends where you live, but insurance cost for a CRV or a RAV4 are far much higher than for a forester/Outback.

[@itskeagan3004]

A customer purchased an Impreza from me yesterday and their insurance dropped $57/mo!

[@LookingGlass24]

Yes they are! I was surprised when I called Geico that the insurance would be lower for a Subaru than a Toyota! Awesome! I live in Connecticut, in the Valley area, although it’s hilly over here, hahah!

[@gabrielamarie143]

That was a GREAT video. I couldn't agree more. I’m also very impressed that you can rattle off all those facts while driving just from memory!

[@carhelpcorner]

Thank you! Takes a lot of practice!

[@slerched]

I went with an 2023 Outback. Why? It's the closest thing to a station wagon on the market with a price tag that didn't make me cry. I only really buy station wagons, so the Outback has been my go to since 2007.

[@tcappog8586]

One point that should have been raised concerning the comparable alternatives automobiles is the potential for battery pack failure/replacement with hybrid CUV/SUVs. The cost of battery pack replacement will need to be included in the cost of ownership and may negate the savings for their better fuel economy. This may be a relevant consideration for owners that expect to keep their cars past 150K miles. Regardless, Shari does a great job of outlining the potential benefits (or lack thereof) relationship between the offered feature.

[@Jordan_Rai]

I looked at both cars, but ended up buying an outback. It just seemed like a lot more premium vehicle to me for a similar price. The forester had a larger moonroof, but I don't really care about that. I really like all the cargo space you get with the outback as well. The screen can be a bit laggy when you first start up the car, but it is very easy to get used to. I got the premium trim with the base engine.

[@patpatterson5528]

Test drove both the 2023 outback and forester. Settled on the 2023 onyx xt. The outback is just way more comfortable and the 2.4 turbo you got the power when you want it. Average around 20mpg in the city and my first long trip 500 miles Averaged 33mpg mostly interstate miles.

[@stephenpowstinger733]

I’m only showing 15 mpg with my 2023 OB XT. Can’t figure it out and the dealer is clueless.

[@Doc1855]

Great review Shari, Thank You ! In 21 I bought my wife our first Subaru ever. We’ve been driving Toyota’s for 40+ years. Bc we live in a very mountainous area of north central WA state USA, where we get 5-6 feet of snow every winter we had to have a vehicle that has a Great AWD or 4WD system. We looked at the Venza Limited, Rav Limited and Subaru Outback Limited. The rear visibility of both the Venza and Rav was horrible. If the Venza was available in Tan or Brown leather interior, we would have chosen it. The fit and finish and comfort of the Rav was Subpar, the engine and road noise was far worse than my 11 Rav 4WD Limited. My wife fell in love with her Outback. It’s Cinnamon Brown with Ivory interior. (Personally I would have chosen the Brilliant Bronze but it was her birthday gift from me to her). The ride quality, comfort, power train, visibility, safety and AWD are far Superior over the Toyota’s we tested. There was also a Crimson Red available, but she loved the Cinnamon more, so that’s what I bought her. I was so impressed with the quality and the AWD from her Outback that I started looking around for a Forester to replace my 11 Rav. My Forester didn’t have to be new, but it did have to be a low mileage Touring, (bc we HATE Gloomy Grey or Boring Black interior colors) and the Touring has Saddle Brown interior. Last December (2022), I found a 2019 Forester Touring, Certified Subaru with only 4,700 miles. It’s a beautiful Sephia Bronze with Brown interior. It’s so versatile, comfortable, quiet, responsive, handling, etc. My 84 year old dad who is wheelchair bound lives with us. In both our Outback and Forester we don’t have to fold down either or both sides of our rear seats to load his wheelchair. I had to in my 11 Rav and would of had to in the new Venza and Rav. We are so glad that we decided to buy our Subie’s instead of the Toyota’s. Our insurance agent said that to insure the Venza would have increased our yearly premiums by $1K for the Venza and $700 for the Rav. Our insurance increased about $40 more a year for the Outback over her 18 year old Camry. The insurance dropped by almost $300 a year for my Forester than my 11 Rav. The Outback and Forester have achieved the IIHS Safety Plus award. Another reason why it’s cheaper to insure a Subaru is bc they’re not stolen as much as Toyota’s are. When our Subie’s wear out, we’ll replace them with another Subaru. Thanks again for your Review !

[@michaelking42]

Thanks for sharing your story!

[@LookingGlass24]

I loved your review, dear Sir. Tell your wife that I said you’re a keeper, as well as both cars! 😂 -a fine day to you both 🎉 👍

[@denisramos4028]

So helpful thanks

[@Doc1855]

@@LookingGlass24 Thank you, I will.

[@k.s.obrien9459]

Thank you for this information! I'm on only my second Subaru since 2000! I love my 2019 Subaru Forester and hope to have it for many years to come. I do love the look of those Mazdas though. Time will tell.

[@richardkirchknopf2215]

I chose the 2024 Forester Touring. As a senior citizen I find the SUV form factor easier to get in and out of. And 2024 is the 5th and final year of this iteration of the Forester. Hopefully that translates into tried and true reliability.

[@_morningglory196]

Subie Forester Girl since 2000! Currently have a 2014 Forester Premium!❤

[@calvin-]

Awesome. I'm getting my first Forester in a few weeks.

[@Intrepid175a]

I've looked at the Forrester and Outback for a bunch of years now. Ultimately, I went for the Outback for it's advantage in cargo space behind the back seats. If you're willing to go with the base trim, you can get the Outback without that 11.6" tablet screen. Also, Subaru recently released a major update for the tablet screen that, on my 2022 Outback Premium at least, solved probably 90% of the issues I had with it. I've been very pleased with my Outback even with the problems with the tablet screen. Now that those appear to be corrected, I'm thrilled with it.

[@andywang6363]

I am 6’2, I go with forester, the headroom and view are top

[@stephenpowstinger733]

He ends on a pessimistic note, citing the competition hybrids. I have checked them out and the hybrid feature saves gas but adds roughly $6,000 usd. That comes out to taking about six years it make up for the average driver. The batteries decline in efficiency too.

[@checor]

And gas savings aren't true on all situations. My dad got a RAV4 Hybrid and I had a normal one, and for long trips the savings are gone. We refilled almost the same amount of gas.

[@perrybond9043]

I bought a 2023 Subaru Forester-Premium. After driving it and learning all I could about many of the safety features, just got 2 words: “ Love It “. Well worth your research and money.

[@whitelotus1594]

Me too. And I test drove all of the competition. It's comfortable, and my right knee doesn't touch the center console. And too much tech is a turn off for me.

[@JeffSpehar-ov1cn]

8.7 inch ground clearance on the Outback, Forrester and Crosstrek (not including wilderness).

[@l.j.seibert4401]

Thank you for the comparison of the Subaru Forrester and the Outback. It has given us all the information we need to decide on which to purchase!

[@preidster]

Don't forget that both also have native voice recognition, which allows you to control fan speed, temperature, radio preset selection, much more. This is separate from your cell phone's voice recognition. Car Play adds yet more to it. I have no issues with the large touch screen. Hard buttons are provided for the basics I require. Anything else is via touch screen or voice command for me. It works quite well for me. I had an older Forrester and now have the Outback. Both were and are great..

[@scottbrady4472]

I have both... I prefer the outback XT. Both are awesome though.

[@vincentmurphy9252]

Turned in my 2013 fir a 2023 I’m Happy drives nice 👍🏼 and you know your pretty good to go 5 years 60,000 no problems cross fingers but had few problems with the 2013- the back seats have less leg room in my opinion and the front seems more.really smooth ride and the interior design is nice nice cuts

[@HeremodofGotha]

What about the windshields cracking out of nowhere every 3 months?

[@lorenschwiderski]

The Outback, aside of the black Tupperwear cladding, looks fine. A nice station wagon, with a smooth look.

[@Subie-Driver]

I disagree with the reliability chatter about these vehicles. I took our last Subaru 11 years an 255,000 km with zero CVT problems oil consumption problems. Other than a TDI we had 12 years and 300,000 km the Outback has been the most reliable car we’ve owned. Currently we have a’18 Crosstrek with 136,000 km on it…zero problems so far, and a ‘22 forester both which I fully expect to be as reliable as the Outback was.

[@gilioidable]

I got the Subaru Forester Wilderness and I couldn't be happier!

[@hardcor1313]

I love hearing about stats on sales of these vehicles and how many people stay loyal to the brand. I personally owned three in my lifetime. My wife has had two. I personally would go with the Japanese made Forester over the American made Outback.

[@jonathanLToronto]

I never knew subarus are assembled in the states too.

[@EdwardCBurton]

The Outback is made in Lafayette, Indiana. It is the only Subaru factory in the United States.

[@s-man3684]

I own a 2019 Subaru Forester. Great car. I needed the temperature control valve replaced under warranty. I'd buy another one for sure when the car market settles down.

[@GhostRider-hp3te]

I had no idea the forester were made in Japan. Thanks for sharing this

[@Dawn191]

All Forrester are made in Japan? I may have to change my mind about getting one.

[@deanronson6331]

I recently drove both of these vehicles with the 182 hp power plant. However, despite the identical power, the Outback seems to have a better low-end torque than the Forester, which means you don't have to push the gas pedal all the way to the floor to get a response off the dime. The only thing I don't like about either versions of the Outback is that they don't feel the road as well as someone who likes to drive would want them to. Somehow, they feel too dissociated from the asphalt. Maybe a different set of tires with a lower profile would change that.

[@scottanthony3426]

Subaru has screwed the pooch with their drivetrains in the Forester. I have a '14 Forester XT, and the fact that I can't get the better engine (which also came with bigger wheels, tires, brakes and a more sporting suspension which significantly decreased body roll over the 2.5L suspension) is a deal breaker on the current Forester. The Outback looks like a good option, until you get to the idiotic touch screen for HVAC. People should be fired for that. Modern engineers seem to forget that just because something is technically feasible, doesn't make it a good idea. Give me my 3 giant knobs like on my current Forester. If I were buying today, I'd definitely be cross shopping Honda, Toyota, and Mazda. I think I read that the CRV hybrid only tows 1,000 lbs, which is completely pathetic. They might as well call it a "SV" because they've taken a critical piece of the "U" out of the equation. That leaves you with the CX-5/50, which are nice, but visibility out is nowhere near what it is in the Subies. The RAV-4 offers the best (for me) combo of hybrid or plug in options, while still maintaining good towing capacity. Unfortunately I have to avoid looking at the "origami on steroids" styling during daylight hours. I don't think that is going to age well over the decade that I would expect to own the car. I'm holding off for now, hoping for better options. Meanwhile, the 2l turbo in my XT and CVT have been rock solid for 110K miles, and I have no regrets about choosing it over the anemic 2.5L offered at the time. The trip computer may be fudging a bit, but on interstate trips, I could get a little over 30 mpg, drinking premium. The non-OEM tires seem to be less fuel efficient. Think OEM was Bridgstone Turanza, and they went close to 50K miles. Then ran some Michelins that did another 55K, and now running the new Michelin Crossclimate 2's. Those seem to produce the worst mileage, and I've experinced (for the first time) some pulling when hitting deeper puddles. It never did that with the other tires. If the new Outback provides a better suspension and brakes with the turbo, those are added plusses that most reviewers never mention. It isn't just about having the extra acceleration (at least in my Forester XT). The 2.5L Forester in 2014 model cornered on its door handles. The XT fixed that and yet the ride doesn't beat you up.

[@LookingGlass24]

Noteworthy observations. I’m with you that doing without knobs is crazy stupid. I’m a older GenXer, so I’m all for knobs. But the millennials, who are the highest demographic of car buyers, seem to want the digital interfaces-button clicks instead of turning knobs. Crazy isn’t it? Unsafe, expensive to maintain, impractical, uncomfortable, etc., but this is the sad truth. So the manufacturers follow suit. And for them it’s better because they don’t have nearly as much wiring into the dashboard and front panels yet not always as straightforward to diagnose. We’re living in a reverse/backwards world when it comes to car design. On the Toyotas, I own one, you can hear the gasoline swishing underneath the car. That’s insane. The visibility just isn’t that great either. You’re forced to depend on mirrors and safety tech and neither is 100% reliable. That’s something I don’t like about Toyotas. I found visibility even better in Volkswagens.

[@sfrealestatedealmaker6001]

FYI: Subaru turbo engine is a gas guzzler, in case you guys are thinking about buying one. 🔥

[@stephenpowstinger733]

I have found that to be true, to my dismay. I can’t understand how it gets seven mpg less than the EPA rated City mileage. It does ok on the highway though.

[@he6005]

The long waiting time for the hybrid RAV4 and CRV just make them not possible to buy, so I would go for Forester or Mazda.

[@jeffreyhoch]

The price difference is significant for hybrid also. Especially the Honda.

[@jp93309]

We have the same 2.5L engine in our 2023 Crosstrek Limited. It’s a lighter weight car so can’t imagine that engine driving those larger/heavier models.

[@davidgilhousen8191]

I own a '22 Forester with the 2.5L in Louisiana. I regularly zip around at 78 mph on our interstates and, if I don't watch it, can creep up into the low 80s and not even know it. Plenty of power for entry and passing. More zip than my 2020 Honda CRV.

[@tamsel33]

I am booking Subaru outback onyx tomorrow 🎉

[@sootchh4055]

I had the chance to drive a brand-new Outback as a "loaner" while I was getting my Forester serviced which took about 6 hours. As the leasing period for my Forester is ending within a year I was considering moving up to an Outback, but this experience has helped me decide that I will simply buy out my current Forester.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

The forester is simply the ugly Duckling that You will fall in love with...........Paul

[@scottdixon8474]

Got a 2023 Outback oynx xt and love it. wireless CarPlay awesome

[@michaelking42]

Just got the same car 3 weeks ago for me to travel to work in. As such, my wife uses it as her DD.

[@jsfbay1]

If the Forester offered the turbo motor that's available in the Outback, I might get that. But as it stands, I love wagons (we have a 2015 H6 and love it) so I'd get another Outback.

[@lukethibodaux790]

If I wanted an SUV for nothing but commuting a Mazda or Honda would be fine, but for both work and play the Subaru is the clear winner in my eyes. Better overall utility, better off road ability, better all weather ability, if I wanted nothing but to commute I would just get a car.

[@rslover65]

Outback vs Forester, buy RAV4. I've got a 19 outback, I've never been so unimpressed by a car. It's slow, the electronics package is annoying as hell, and the AWD is completely baffled by anything other than snow

[@benoitlevesque9609]

Well 2 great cars, I prefer driving the outback, my wife the forester, So I have a Outback and her a Forester!!!!

[@michaelking42]

That's funny, my wife's the Outback girl and I'm the Forester dude.

[@howlingwolf125y]

I am taller (over 6 ft) and need (and like) a roomy, airy cabin, with good outward visibility (super important for safety!!).. The Subaru Foresters boxy shape, taller design, and bigger windows (for great visibility) seemed to be just what I was looking for. After further research, it looks like there is a MAJOR problem with the Forester's and the location of the safety monitoring devices - which are (unwisely) located at the top middle part of the windshield... These safety monitoring devices are now causing an UNSAFE large blind spot for taller drivers, who now have their outward vision blocked by these safety monitoring devices. Subaru needs to find another place to put these safety monitoring devices. Also notice the cabin lights/sunglasses holder also is placed in that area, limiting visibility even further. Plus I need the top part of the windshield for not only better/safer visibility, but to look out to see road signs, street signs, addresses, highway signs, see land marks, and just general outward visibility for driving enjoyment. I am surprised such a forward thinking company like Subaru could make such a major mistake that hurts safe driving.

[@LookingGlass24]

That’s where me thinks the Japanese mindset, or should I say avg. height of the population, may come in. They aren’t very tall people, not on average. I wonder if it’s easy fir them to forget that there’s a lot of taller people in the world that buy their cars. I wonder…

[@howlingwolf125y]

Yup .. Me thinks you're right .. Me agrees with you.. Me thinks that Toyota should make autos/SUVs that are larger for the American (U.S) people so that we have more room inside since we are larger here in America.

[@theblytonian3906]

In 2023, price. All new cars are expensive today considering how rapidly a depreciatign 'asset' they are. Rising finance interest rates aren't helping. In AU, it's necessary to spend a huge chunk of change to move from mid level Forester to entry level Outback. On something that's basically a tool, albeit a necessary one in today's society outside capital cities, easy call.

[@Cruzan9]

I actually like the Santa Fe. I borrowed my brother's for a short while. It drove smoothly and I could get in and out of the car without my bad knees hurting. That was the best part tbh. I will be getting a new car in the coming months. Forester and Santa Fe are on the short list.

[@BoBPrivateSecurity1]

Can you please do a video on the best reliable American made Large SUVs such as the Tahoe , Expedition and etc ???

[@michaelschaefer3124]

I was quite happy with my 2019 and 2022 Foresters but I just ordered a 2024 Outback. I looked at the CRV but don’t want a turbo engine and the hybrid doesn’t have a spare tire. Being older I like the better ride quality of the outback on our terrible city streets. Time will tell.

[@darrellborland119]

Bought our 2020 OB Onyx 3 years ago before price rises. Chose OB for it's attractiveness, and the fact that the wheel base is 4 inches longer, apparently nicer ride. Love the turbo, and for those concerned about oil change intervals, run the engine to 5K, change oil filter, send sample to Blackstone for analysis. The results will be a pleasant surprise. Thanks.

[@LookingGlass24]

Who’s Blackstone? What will doing this accomplish? Do share! 😊

[@nordvpn3488]

Sir I have a question.i know this is out of the topic I just need an answer. We bought a 2023 crosstrek cash but after buying it I just noticed a fee called VEP on our final Receit which we paid for almost 3k. Canadian$. because maybe of excitement as first time car buyer ,we didn't notice that before paying. I search about it and it's called Vehicle Exchange Program.do we really need to pay for that to be qualified for that program? We are from B.C.Thanks! hoping someone can answer my question.

[@Dawn191]

You should have added the Ascent with this review.

[@johnkern1878]

Could you also include how easy ingress/egress is in the cars

[@nathanjennings34]

The whole bottom portion of the infotainment screen in the out back needs to be physical buttons

[@davidzhu2804]

Thank you for this! I've been comparing the two as well and considering both the Touring trim, but I'm still having trouble deciding on the two. Outback is about 1,100cad more, but it gives you more space as mentioned, but also Wireless Apple CarPlay, USB-A and USB-C ports, Wireless phone charger, Auto-dimming with HomeLink and compass, power (hands-free) liftgate, and a few more extras that the Forester doesn't offer, so it seems to be worthwhile for these extras and more space, but I do like that the Forester is 1,100cad less, their infotainment system having more buttons, Panoramic Sunroof. While I really like the Forester, but adding for only 1,100, I feel like I get a lot of additional features and more space, which I like. I guess it comes down to what I really prefer more of and the cost. On another note, I have a question, I was comparing the two cars, I see that Outback has a CVT oil cooler while the Forester doesn't? What is this? Thanks again!

[@he6005]

What is the difference in rear seat comfort between these two cars? I found the rear seats of the outback is way more comfortable......

[@swedishplumber8233]

Is this because it is CA? My 19 Forester Sport US has hands free lift gate, homelink auto dimming, it doesnt have the Wireless carplay or USB A/C but still.

[@jamescease4280]

We just bought the 23 premium trim option 15 Forester and it has power lift gate.

[@mannycruz216]

The Outback drives like a car and it’s longer as well. The Forester drives like a SUV as it sits higher and has more head room. Despite both having the same 2.5 Liter Boxer Engine, the Outback is based on the Legacy platform and tow 2,700lbs. The Forester is based on the Impreza platform and can only tow 1,500 lbs. Even with the Wilderness trim in both models, the Outback still comes out on top with 3,500 towing capacity while the Forester at 3,000 lbs. I have an 2017 Outback but have debated on getting a new Outback but I hate the climate control being forced on a touch screen. Both still have a CD slot for some reason too lol

[@paulholterhaus7084]

I have lots of CD's and that was another consideration coming back from Mazda......Biggest reason for giving up My CX30 was HARSH ride and impossible to sit on Drivers seat.................Paul

[@Radarcb329]

I have a 2020 Forester Sport and don’t like the hard response of the suspension to small pot holes and speed bumps. If this review was done with the Wilderness editions, the ride will be much more forgiving and not representative of the standard suspensions. I had an Impreza before and it was more forgiving. The fuel mileage on highway driving for the Forester often meets close to 40 mpg at 70mph, with the 2.5 liter. One other difference of the Forester compared to the Outback, is the HK sound system, which on the Outback it has a center channel which certainly is better sounding. I don’t like Subaru HK sound anyway because they use too much of the speakers in the doors to reproduce bass, even though they use a subwoofer.

[@konstantinkostakiev7808]

I drove the regular engine 2023 outback at 5000ft-8000ft elevation, was never able to get over 25mpg on highway, and in the end i got 23-24 mixed driving, i think turbo might be better here

[@stuartferguson7947]

In the Australian market the Forester comes with a full size spare tyre which is important here

[@mikespencer3824]

So you tell us which is more reliable between the Subarus Honda CRV, or the Toyota RAV4 hybrids

[@TheDigitalGuerrilla]

You should start facing the reality of the current car market: a Toyota Rav 4 is NOT in the same price range as this other cars, so it is useless to compare them. You should compare the Rav 4 to a Lexus or Acura

[@maryroberts2099]

Yes those prices are ridiculous

[@aristophainz]

And they are awesome cars in Africa or the middle east once they get stolen and sent to those countries. Great value once they get there while you will be stuck paying higher premiums.

[@TheDigitalGuerrilla]

@@aristophainz XD

[@bobpeticolas121]

You get more ground clearance on the Outback Wilderness vs the Forester Wilderness. OTOH, you get better approach and departure angles on the Forester Wilderness! Rumor is that a Forester hybrid is coming in 2024, but based on what they charge in Europe, there will likely be a HUGE price premium for it.

[@hphillips7425]

Auto stop eliminator is easy to install and the start stop problem is gone

[@chuckg6039]

I just spend one second and switch it off from the dash. Nothing to install.

[@michaelking42]

Interesting to hear someone else discount the Outback based on the big stupid screen. I just bought my wife the 2023 Outback (I hate that damn screen), and will buy a Forester in the near future for me. Nothing like actual buttons to control stuff.

[@betterinthe80sdude]

That's exactly what my wife and I did. She bought an Outback Onyx at the beginning of the pandemic, and I test drove both her car and a Forester that was on the lot, and tried to talk her into the Forester instead. I hate the screen/no physical controls, and that I hit my head every time I get in and out. Last year, I traded my gas guzzling F150 in for a Forester Wilderness, and it's the best vehicle I've ever owned. May not be for everyone, but it fits my needs exactly.

[@michaelking42]

@@betterinthe80sdude How funny mate. Wives and wagons, is it? In '18 we also tested both Forester and Outback, I really wanted to buy her the last of the turbo foresters. But nope, she had to have the Outback. I ended up buying her a 2018 Outback Limited. Sold it when the lease ran out a year ago to Carvana and made a good chunk on it. It was also using oil at a rapid rate. But now, we have the '23 Outback. Forester in my future, but I need my pickup still to tow my boat.

[@poezjapolska]

I’ve order my wife a Forester because she hated the screen on the Outback.

[@michaelking42]

@@poezjapolska Excellent choice! Which model are you getting?

[@poezjapolska]

Premium, since we live in Vegas we can't have cars with leather seats. We've learned that lesson a long time ago...😁

[@scottmccutcheon2530]

Drove both outback’s the 2.5 engine is to anemic for me I purchased a 2022 outback xt and the only thing which I’m not crazy about is the hvac controls

[@agore1945]

Have a 2019 Crosstrek. Have had both the 2023 Forester and the 2023 Outback as courtesy cars. The Outback drove like a charm. The Forester felt like it was all over the road. I'll go Outback when we trade in.

[@billyrock8305]

💯 accurate. ✅ These two are Topguns that destroy any competitor. 👍

[@TheSkyline5467]

You were very neutral with every aspect of the comparison while still outlining differences, until the entertainment /controls setup. I see that a lot. People really get more triggered by that topic than anything

[@MrMomo0529]

This guy is just straight forward and to the point. Subaru are not for style but tough SUV’S that are well designed and of course the best AWD on the planet. Note both the Honda CRV and the Toyota RAV4 are way more expensive than either Subarus and don’t have the off road capability with their FWD base AWD’S. Remember all 100% built Subarus are built from the ground up as AWD’S.

[@craigo2142]

I like the station wagon look of the Outback, but, wouldn't choose either due to lack of hybrid.

[@theblytonian3906]

Exactly the reason we want a Subaru. F uck hybrid or e-pox.

[@crabbybastardguitars9955]

Had to replace the engine in our 2014 Forester with only 47,000 miles. Just got back from the dealership for the 3rd time with a failed tire sensor that also operates the key fob. My 2016 Forester had the same problem. My neighbor recently bought a new Outback and had to have the transmission replaced. I will never buy another Subaru - ever.

[@adamwright9741]

If Subaru would finally offer hybrids in most of their vehicles (which would mean that hopefully they've been researching hybrids for a while under our noses), then they would have a chance to rise up to Japan's big three! Because they would have every box checked as far as what makes a great vehicle!

[@adamwright9741]

But yeah, even when a Subaru redesign seems to have caught up to the others in style, it seems to look outdated within a year or so. Still, the fact that it has the most confident driving experience, being able to see everywhere around the car-- takes away all the uncomfortable worries of driving most cars! When I drive almost any Subaru, it is so mentally effortless haha

[@longdang3379]

As long as they still have that dog infotainment… holy fuck no ones gonna buy them

[@bennylloyd-willner9667]

I think they have sufficient experience. I can find several Subaru e-Boxer Foresters and XVs from 2019/2020 for sale here in Sweden. No Outback as of yet that I can find, but they do have the technology.

[@PostprandialTorpor]

Fun fact: Toyota owns like 20-30% stake in Subaru. Rumor is they will soon share the hybrid power trains

[@JamesWilliam70]

we have the self charging mild hybrids in the uk. no real fuel saving like the rav4 and Niro. just a little more bhp.

[@thiagoribeiro8782]

how about compared to a 2023 Tiguan?

[@efavuzza73]

Ideally I would like Forrest turbo

[@he6005]

What is the difference in rear seat comfort between these two cars? I found the rear seats of the outback is way more comfortable, am I wrong?

[@09impala]

Yeah outback desfinately has a bit more space but has lower headroom

[@he6005]

@@09impala Agree. And how about the rear seat comfort？

[@09impala]

@@he6005 Both are pretty comfortable but the outback definitely has a bit more space

[@DragonWarrior976]

Two things which I noticed about the outback. First, the back seems raised a bit compared to the previous year models which makes it look strange from the side profile. Second and the fly in the ointment is the plastic cladding on the front, which makes it look outright ugly. I am not sure who designed it. The good part is that Subaru is not forcing me to buy it.

[@stendecstretcher5678]

I agree😊

[@quercus5398]

They wanted the highlander look!

[@simplecookingwithjobay4356]

Why Subaru don't have pick up truck?

[@paulholterhaus7084]

Rumours from Japan are saying there is a dramatic remake scheduled for the 25' Forester which will include a RAV4 like Hybred with E/CVT.......different setup than present CVT.........This change should please many People and I for One am on the waiting list...............Paul

[@jzemens4646]

Disappointing that the interiors or interior features are not really touched upon all. Is this perhaps because Subaru's generally lack such? I wouldn't know, but am generally curious. Thanks

[@stephenpowstinger733]

The OB has an attractive and comfortable interior I can say. The OB Touring in particular has a lot of luxury accessories.

[@lorenschwiderski]

Safety !

[@maryroberts2099]

I’m in the market for a car. I’ve decided to look at Subaru. But not sure which one. I work a few miles from home, don’t go on many long trips, don’t tow anything it’s just myself and my husband, so no driving kids around. I live in the north, so there will be 4 seasons of driving Any suggestions on what I should purchase?

[@carhelpcorner]

I have a video on small reliable AWD SUVs that you should watch! Subaru Crosstrek, Toyota Corolla Cross, and Honda HR-V are a few options.

[@maryroberts2099]

I had the HRV. Yet didn’t like it. I’ll have to watch your video. Thanks

[@dhrtiwalter8670]

Forester if you drove more Outback

[@sujithj]

Given up on Foresters after they scrapped the XT and Subarus altogether

[@lisangui9433]

I really don't know which to choose😅

[@marktruong7937]

Been in both cars, Subaru is def more comfortable

[@RanGer-498]

Isnt the outback a suv alternative..its basically a station wagon not a suv i think.

[@Doc1855]

I really wanted the Wilderness, but I couldn’t get past the dark, drab, FUGLY gloomy grey 1990 interior colors and the StarTex (Vinyl) interior. It was just too depressing

[@cortneydampier4950]

I have a Outback Wilderness for a loaner right now and I said it felt like driving a hearse

[@Doc1855]

@@cortneydampier4950 My wife’s Outback has Ivory interior which is light and bright. My Forester Touring has Saddle Brown leather interior and the headliner is light as well. We purposely chose them for the interior colors.

[@shahzadhaider9195]

Of course outback

[@JackOfHearts42]

I love Subaru genreally, but seeing them at the Canadian Internaltion Auto Show recently, it was glaringly obvious how far behind Subaru seemed compared to other brands from a technological and design stance. They all felt really utilitarian (like you said) but also 10 years already outdated. Have they done ANYTHING interesting in the last decade?

[@davidvo3762]

What brands are good than for suvs or subcompact suv?

[@JackOfHearts42]

@@davidvo3762 i still think Subaru are good, and the note in the video about Honda and Toyota I agree with. I disagree with the warning about Hyundai and Kia. I just feel Subaru feel very old and out of date even brand new.

[@adamwright9741]

@@JackOfHearts42 I agree. And it's funny sometimes when Subaru does a total redesign, I sometimes think that they finally jumped up to the rest of the competitors in style especially in the interior... And then what do you know, the new styling becomes outdated already sometimes within a year!

[@653j521]

The question is what you consider interesting. To me, it's what I do with the car that is interesting.

[@he6005]

I am just considering to buy the 2023 forester sport or wildness, but now I am thinking of a hybrid SUV like CRV or RAV4, because the Subaru tech is really outdated.

[@richardli5530]

There will be no saving for consumers if one takes into account the premium charged for a hybrid vehicle versus a regular gasoline engine.

[@bobbytepsa9567]

Off road forester wins hands Down👍

[@jamestucci8318]

FYI. One vehicle is a compact SUV while the other is a midsize station wagon.

[@level7041]

Turbo charged boxer engine sounds like a disaster in the making.

[@gushunt790]

I get40 miles to the Canada gallon of fuel speed at70 miles a hour new 2023 Subaru outback 2,5

[@RigiLiquid945]

Just get the Crosstrek with the 2.5L engine.

[@michaelking42]

They're not big enough for everyone.

[@stephenrobertson2636]

Forester

[@billgilchrist2535]

The Subaru is a much better off road vehicle.

[@tmoneyy5697]

I drive a ‘21 Forester and the wind noise is so loud when you’re driving. Wouldn’t recommend anyone buying that vehicle 🫤

[@s-man3684]

Check your weather stripping. I had the same thing in my 2019 Forester. I adjusted the loose weather stripping now it's much quieter.

[@tmoneyy5697]

@@s-man3684 thanks for the suggestion. did you adjusted the weather stripping yourself or did you had a mechanic do it for you?

[@s-man3684]

@@tmoneyy5697 I did it myself. It was just coming loose on the passenger side front door. Easy peasy Japanesey

[@xyzxyz1908]

I just hate the CVT in Subaru products

[@paulholterhaus7084]

I love the People that HATE touch screens........They do not belong in cars......I WANT KNOBS............Paul

[@I_hate_Vegemite]

Easy choice because only the Outback has the 2.4 turbo, which has been shown to use less fuel under real world driving conditions (rather than by the standard Dyno test). The 2.5L n/a is gutless and lacks the grunt for quick overtaking on country roads. The Hybrid is just an embarrassment, also gutless and often using more fuel than the 2.5L. Pity Subie cannot get hold of (or make use of) the excellent Toyota 2.5L hybrid system from the RAV4.

[@leifandersen2756]

None of them because of the engines .

[@lorenschwiderski]

CRV hybrid = no spare tire.