2023 Toyota GR Supra MT | MotorWeek Track Test

We were thrilled when Toyota brought the Supra sport coupe back, and even more ecstatic to find out it truly delivered the high-performance goods. And much like the original, Toyota has been making regular enhancements to keep the good times rolling. So, time now to hit the track in the updated Supra and update ourselves on all the fun.
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[@Praetor353]

I absolutely love that John Davis still does these reviews. I watch all the retro reviews!

[@deadfoxxy]

John Davis is a NATIONAL TREASURE.

[@mikewozawski1634]

Haha I say it all the time Mr. Davis is the best

[@nicharred07]

seriously this man is a hidden automotive legend

[@davidaubin3902]

Nobody can deliver the proper road tests than John and his Motorweek staff

[@epicraptorman]

John Davis is the face of motor week

[@midwestsneakerhead6511]

I love Motorweek! I’m glad to see the legend John Davis still doing these reviews! And the Supra finally has a manual transmission. Hell yeah!

[@9inchpp]

He still doing the classic motor week review

[@Chickenpatty878]

John Davis is a legend!!

[@SavageBunny1]

Some say...John is still complaining it doesn't have a Voltage and oil pressure gauge 🤣

[@pepster85]

They also finally stopped shifting the gearshift as if they wanted it to Jank it off

[@Mustang46liters]

His reviews are entertaining and straight to the point. No added fluff that can be hit or miss sometimes.

[@seantron1]

Exactly. I watched 2 other videos where they yapped way too much for me. This video was perfect.

[@ryoamora8655]

Glad to see and hear John Davis, his voice is ageless since 1981, and glad to see the Supra back with a proper manual transmission, again. Nice to see Motorweek testing CARS again and not lame, boring SUVs.

[@tyler9703]

I was never one of the people hating on this car for its BMW roots, but even so this car has still grown on me as it's evolved. It feels like the Supra is finally where it should have been when it was released. All we need now is an "Aerotop" version with the MK4 Turbo-style wing from the factory.

[@dewarkhodern9990]

Why "MK4 Turbo style wing"? You do know that the MK4 A80 Supra wasnt the first Supra right? There is literally other generations of the Supra; MK1 A40, MK2 A50/A60, MK3 A70

[@dinocrest1946]

@@dewarkhodern9990 because the MK4 Supra wing works the best on this car? MK3,2, etc are too boxy to share anything.

[@dewarkhodern9990]

@@dinocrest1946 And??? Can it(MK5 A90/J29 Supra) have its OWN defining wing????

[@tyler9703]

@@dewarkhodern9990 Dude chill tf out lol. I just think it would look good, that's it. You don't have to agree

[@dewarkhodern9990]

@@tyler9703 "dude chill tf out" Who are you are tellin' to "chill tf out"? You literally projecting. And again, can we stop trying to make the MK5 A90/J29 look like the MK4 A80 Supra for a change???? It's the same the with those rear "circle dots" taillights that companie make to have the MK5 Supra mimick the rear tail lights of the MK4 A80 Supra 😒🙄🤣😂😅 In that logic , I guess people should had tried to make the MK4 A80 Supra be like the MK3 A70 Supra (which that car is literally the best selling Supra to date. And the MK4 A80 Supra was criticized by the public of being different to the MK3 A70 Supra)

[@friedpork_owl]

I’m a huge Z fan but this car is a beast in the best possible way. I hope every manufacturer releases their last/best ⛽️ sports car. Cheers!

[@keithjackson4985]

Whoever was doing the track work, can drive! Well done with some very good shots.

[@howleh]

I don’t know what it is about the interior that takes me back in time but it does so in the best way possible. Maybe it’s as simple as seeing a stick shift today. I love it.

[@ripskip160]

Back in time?? The interior is just a modern BMW interior lol

[@chicago1680]

It's LITERALLY a BMW interior. WTF are you talking about?

[@eddieg6436]

Now it just needs a redesigned, sporty looking steering wheel.

[@growingup4487]

classic tailights would be nice

[@HAL-dm1eh]

Could Toyota make their interiors any more boring?

[@BeingMe23]

​@@HAL-dm1ehYou mean BMW

[@paullake1114]

The Manual Trans also doubles as an Anti-Theft device

[@justme307]

How original.

[@oreally8605]

"We stick together." I like that. Save the stick!!

[@JBWDC3]

I remember the days when manual transmission vehicles used to get better mpg than the automatic

[@cormacsage7126]

Morning John. Landed in USA in 1981 when MW started and have been watching your great reviews ever since

[@Ihelpanytime]

Legend has it, the last species to roam the earth would be Tardigrades, Cockroaches and John Davis.

[@ejohnson3131]

I really want to like this car, I mean it is a Supra after all and the return of this legendary name was long awaited by car enthusiasts. It just hasn’t grown on me after 3 years since it launched. It looks more like what one would expect a Toyota Celica or MR 2 would look like if they were still in production.

[@rudgerscumberland9837]

Just remember that people didn't like the MK4 Supra.....when it first came into the mix. People mocked it as a "value brand front engine Ferrari" and was criticized of being too different of the MK3 Supra (which that Supra sold in lots of numbers compared to the MK4 Supra) along with not having the pop-up-headlights like the MK3 Supra

[@ejohnson3131]

@@rudgerscumberland9837 Exactly! That’s why I thought this current iteration of the Supra would grow me, but I still don’t like it.

[@rudgerscumberland9837]

@@ejohnson3131 And your point is? Last generation's Supra was hyped cause of a movie(like the Delorean DMC-12 after Back To The Future)

[@TheSmokingDen]

Hey, I want to like it, but it's so strange looking. That rear end is just bizarre.

[@kevindavis5966]

@@rudgerscumberland9837 I think it's YOUR point that no one's getting. What difference does the MkIV's reception make in regards to the MkV? I still think the MkIV is an ugly car that only performs well with mods. The 2JZ and nostalgia are the only things driving its prices up. If people don't like the V, why bring up the IV? If people complain about oranges, do you bring up apples?

[@concernedforamericans6852]

Kudos to Motorweek

[@Randolph_]

This guy's been around since the 80s i think. Nice going

[@CheesusSVT]

12 second quarter mile makes for great fun on the streets. Just enough but not too much.

[@TimJoseph08031990]

Finally a Toyota Supra that most car enthusiasts want, just like the Supras of the past!

[@gtrance3567]

With a bmw engine?

[@TimJoseph08031990]

@@gtrance3567 Well unfortunately Toyota didn't make their own I-6 engine, but I heard that the BMW engine in the Supra is reliable. I guess Toyota wanted BMW to make the Supra according to Toyota's quality standards.

[@germanengineering204]

@@TimJoseph08031990 B58 is top notch 👌 M240i has the same engine, and it's refined, Extremely powerful, and an absolute blast to drive! Reliability is great

[@dewarkhodern9990]

@@gtrance3567 No one fussed on McLaren F1 (British) using a BMW V12 variant engine????

[@mikea5205]

ehh not really but this is pretty good.

[@sponk2112]

Digging the new Supra, but digging the classic JD even more! Love ya, man!

[@robertmitchell9276]

John Davis is a legend, and the man.

[@peterjamieson2441]

John is a legend...John Legend i guess

[@CB-tx3ul]

3:17 John, those are most certainly NOT 275/55. And those are the front tires as well, which are 255/35s.

[@InvestBetter.]

Also appreciate them bringing back this blue, which was available in Year One, and then mysteriously taken away. Looks great in Blue or Nitro Yellow

[@mk5_3]

First time they bring this blue, the originally was a much more lighter shade of blue

[@Dalessandroftw]

Downshift blue in 20 was much darker, this is a more royal blue.

[@beegchunguz7425]

That is one of the coolest cars this century!

[@dohc1067]

It may not be a pure Toyota per say in the engineering sense, but the styling is distinctive. I like it yellow.

[@rudgerscumberland9837]

Meanwhile, the MK2 Supra was based on a Lotus

[@Kamukix]

​@@rudgerscumberland9837 wait WHAT!?! You mean to tell me that this isn't the first time that Toyota partnered with another company to make a cool car? Get off the internet you liar. Next you're gonna try to tell me some music motorcycle company are responsible for the best sounding roadcar ever. Psssssssh 😅

[@spukersonmerlosk1661]

​@@Kamukix I can tell you're ignorant by your comments. Toyota owned Lotus at one point. The MK2 Supra is literally a Lotus Excel

[@chach805-oo3dv]

12.8 in the 1/4 that’s it!

[@mocheen4837]

I was expecting a 12.2 or faster.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

​@@mocheen4837 auto does that or a flat 12 at best.

[@ash27slick74]

Remember, when MotorWeek road tests vehicles, they have to be 100% completely stock. Acceleration runs are from 0 mph, unlike magazines which use a rolling start. Most magazines greatly exaggerate acceleration runs.

[@GodGear]

Good review Mr. Davis

[@bobl8687]

John Davis is the OG of American Car (Review) Show.

[@atgn-0088]

One of my favorite Japanese superheros came back as a German villain in disguise 😢

[@ozzstars_cars]

Did I hear the three letters B M W? My appetite has been spoiled.

[@germanengineering204]

🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣

[@smog-097]

Coming from a guy who wrenches on crappy Chevs that can barely hit 60 in the single digits.

[@ozzstars_cars]

@SMOG-097 we only live once, you don't want life going by too fast do you?

[@smog-097]

@@ozzstars_cars K I A ...

[@kevincaldwell4707]

"getting shifty"?? Rick and Morty reference from Motorweek??

[@dermetzger]

THIS is the option I've been waiting for. In my mind, only NOW has the Toyota Supra finally returned.

[@oldcrook510]

It's a BMW Z4 you could service the car at a BMW dealership. Just because Toyota lazily slapped their badge on a competitor's product doesn't make it a Supra lol..

[@dewarkhodern9990]

@@oldcrook510 You sound lame. You can have the service done at a Toyota dealership. And Toyota wasnt "lazy" and "just slapped their badge on a competitors car" like that. It's a lot more to it(and Toyota was literally smart). Plus the Z4 BMW(current generation G29) wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the Supra MK5

[@ThePikmin18]

@@oldcrook510you can’t afford one anyways

[@joshthemediocre7824]

I just wish they would bring back the iconic wing, the tall wings just made the 90's supras cooler.

[@ja1815]

But wait....theres more! Call within the next 5 minutes and you'll get TWO Supras for 19.99! We'll even throw in an oven mitt, normally a 14.99 value, totally free! Call now!

[@MetikalMan]

The Supra has square tire arrangement?!?! That’s a big deal for a daily driver! I wish this trans was available in the 340i

[@TheAdrenaline85]

nice job Toyota!! This is probably the first time i can remeber a car company actually giving enthusiasts what they want. They didnt have to but they did.

[@fredwilliams7893]

Dodge with the hellcat 6 manual really gave customers what they wanted! Horsepower and a stick!

[@itzed]

Still wondering how expensive this Bimmer is going to be to maintain after 50K miles.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Not at all. People have already flew past 50k in these and even bmws with the same engine roll past 100k just fine with regular maintenance.

[@bigneutron77]

Have 25k on my with 550hp and no problems at all. I drive it like a sports car should be driven too.

[@1234Tubie]

AND most if not ALL of them from twin turbo V6 and V8 always wanted to race or troll with my NA V10 Huracan bull lol. Even the much more expensive M8 competition and AMG luxo still hold my beer lol. So dream on boys lol!

[@s13drift7]

Wouldn't mind driving one that's for sure

[@skip741x3]

same here!

[@phill4337]

Sounds like the mic is shoved down his throat wtf? also was he burned recently?

[@philbrunet2124]

Love that review, can’t even get the tire size correct lol

[@bledidemirazi6895]

Good morning John.

[@smokefast90606]

Drove one with a 6 speed and the transmission is definitely a handicap it shifts like a BMW

[@crocglox7797]

good thing it's fast, so my eyes don't settle on the cacophony of bulges, scoops, folds and creases that pass for bodywork these days

[@germanengineering204]

What do you think of a C8 vette in comparison styling wise?

[@dewarkhodern9990]

Yet people fussed and complained on how the MK4 A80 Supra (fourth generation) looked compared to the MK3 A70 Supra (third generation), upon release (and was literally a sales-floppd car for over nine years)

[@rudgerscumberland9837]

​@@germanengineering204 I like the C8 Corvette (especially as a rear Mid-Engine car which it was supposed to be that since the 60s). But I also like the styling of the MK5 Supra.

[@speedwack]

Ya it's hideous

[@raghavjsankar3004]

When the ft1 concept came out, i was really excited for the then upcoming supra The design worked really well for the lfa like proportions of the concept. But trying to shrink it into a z4 sized package made it look too overstyled for me.

[@marcosmata8233]

Back to the future what if a Toyota GR Supra would look like as a Time Machine

[@rudgerscumberland9837]

The same folks who yell about the MK5 A90 Supra being "less of a Toyota sports car" , are the same exact folks who didn't go out in droves and buy the Lexus(Toyota) LC500s, the Lexus ISFs, the Lexus RCFs, the Lexus LFAs, and others along with the MK4 Supra....which those cars are "fully-toyota-blooded-sports-cars" that ere bad in sales! And as for the Lexus LC500 , that has not long ago been listed as Toyota's poor selling GT/Sports Cars. Go figure

[@dewarkhodern9990]

People who fuss on the MK5 A90/J29 Supra and compare it to the MK4 A80 Supra (Fourth Generation Supra), needs to realize that the MK4 A80 Supra was literally a flop in sales while on the dealership market for over nine years ! Plus criticized by the public for being too different to the MK3 A70 Supra (the Third Generation Supra). And was not all that as a Performer while stock(A C4 "base" Corvette of the 1990s literally gave the Turbocharged version RZ Supra A80 MK4 a run for its money and costed a few thousands less than the MK4 A80 Supra RZ). And for the record, people fuss on Toyota "not using their own engine" or "not making a new JZ engine" when it would've costed Toyota to make a new engine for the Supra from scratch/0. And the JZ engines such as the 2JZ/1JZ didn't start in the Supras....the 2JZ first started in the Toyota JZA147(Aristo)/Lexus GS. Not the Supra MK4 A80. While the 1JZ first started in the Toyota Soarer. Not the Supra MK3 A70. And literally the MK4 Supra A80 started from the Lexus SC 400/300 Coupe(the SC 400 has the V8 1UZ while the SC 300 had the 2JZ series engine LONG before the Supra MK4 A80 existed from the SC 400/300).

[@1QKGLH]

I remember when people drove cars. Now computers drive them, and the computer does the actual work.

[@jhonsmith2150]

Id take one in all BLK or Blue! 👌😎

[@사마천원리적인식]

❤❤John Davis & Toyota GR Supra MT ❤❤

[@JNAMOTORSPORTS]

It’s got a better head and more flow fyi for the 2023

[@PANTYEATR1]

What's the name and color code of that blue? 👀

[@woohunter1]

How is it that only one turn signal works on this car? (Only legends will get it)

[@ripskip160]

BMW owner joke?

[@beegchunguz7425]

Those wheels freaking insane!

[@jamesoakes4869]

No one does it like him.

[@courtneyprimo8056]

They should put this engine in the is350 Lexus,and stretch it and widen it a little bit,please do that Lexus

[@RandenMontalvo]

John Davis needs to drive these cars and speak when driving them on video or none of this matters. :)

[@craigloomis20]

i wanr to like it but can't get pass the styling

[@fp5495]

Toyota Zupra! Germany for the win!

[@pc8472]

Damn, John Davis is indeed getting old. I can hear in his voice

[@hpmetabolics7558]

Great job BMW!

[@Slowgroovin]

3.46 gear ratio is lower than 3.15. The higher the numeric value, the lower the gear ratio.

[@Dragunov302]

Higher number better for acceleration

[@jlo6388]

Looks like it's missing a lot of dampening.

[@sylvieandmartin9245]

Thank you for pointing out this car's dreadful fuel economy figures, which come from the EPA test where the car is driven carefully. Driven around the track in your video, the car was probably getting less than 10MPG.

[@bigneutron77]

My Supra has 25k miles on it, and after only 8k my after market parts up the hp to 550hp and for the life of the vehicle it’s avg is 25.7 mpg, that’s with numerous track days too.

[@octavioavellaneda4105]

Es solo cuestión de dejar ese fanatismo absurdo de rápido y furioso...y ver que este auto es una maquina 😀

[@drunkinmaster1]

This is just the perfect GT sports car. Its a shame because its a dying breed, probably one of the last of its kind with a manual and non EV.

[@hewasdeadwhenigotthere46]

Man would love to own one!!!

[@MalamIbnMalam]

Nice BM....I mean Toyota

[@pv4083]

Legend

[@jaydibernardo4320]

I like it but not enough to buy one. It is a BMW after all & will become an endless money pit as it ages.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Tbh I'd call this a myth since theres people who've been using them back to back on track and then streeting them like its noting since they came around. Maybe that's not the case for all but id go as far as saying these handle well more abuse better than the rwd toyos that have been around the past decade for how many people have been abusing these mk5s in multiple fields in the last 3-4 years.

[@dylanwelsford6391]

GR Supra took some time to warm up to. With a manual transmission this is now the real deal.

[@danielboguse4249]

It a TMW

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

👌🥰👉♥️now! If I could only afford one!!

[@jasonz7788]

what a great BMW!

[@charlesbakston7414]

So a Lamborghini is a "Volkswagen/Audi"????? While a Rolls Royce is a "BMW"???

[@genericallyaccepted]

275/55!?! 55?!

[@ScottParisi]

Nice ride. Funny to see the infotainment system from my X3 M40i in there. Wish John wouldn't narrate the acceleration process. I wanted to clearly hear her chirp third.

[@papa_pt]

Roebling road.. the track that doesn't allow spectators 😭

[@thegrandestcherokee7161]

Gosh that front plate is just so ugly looking on the new supra.

[@yudhabagaskara98]

It's even better than basis car Z4

[@dewarkhodern9990]

The current generation (G29) BMW Z4 wouldn't exist, literally, if it as t for the current generation (FIFTH GENERATION) Supra MK5 A90/J29. Last generation's BMW Z4 was cancelled out of production due to flop sales

[@carlmorgan2859]

I think you meant BMW, not a True Toyota

[@charlesbakston7414]

So a Lamborghini is a "Volkswagen/Audi"???

[@skip741x3]

how are you guys able to be tracking that car with its windows down? wind buffeting issue fixed?

[@bigneutron77]

Nah it’s not as bad as people claim, I roll with my windows down all the time, no issues.

[@hertzair1186]

That styling….just can’t appreciate it….too convoluted…like it was designed by a committee.

[@charlesbakston7414]

And the MK4 A80 Supra was criticized of its styling upon release

[@Ludeboi420]

Great job Toyota!

[@donnie9001]

you forgot to complete your sentence..Great Job Toyota for messing this up.....I got your back...your welcome

[@rudgerscumberland9837]

​@@donnie9001 In that logic, Toyota messed up when the MK4 Supra didn't sell decently, and the Mk4 Supra wasn't liked much either

[@Dennisg26]

Just a BMW z4 in a different skon

[@charlesbakston7414]

No. BMW Z4 (current generation G29) wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the current generation (5th gen) Supra MK5

[@blackericdenice]

The new Supra sucks. I can't fit in the damn thing.

[@stevenyia2778]

It's sucks for you but not for others

[@tommorgan1291]

Congratulations to buyers. You now own a sports car with BMW engine and all it's plastic parts. Be sure to get rid of it before 25,000 miles.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Already owners rolling over 60-70k in these and are doing just fine.

[@tommorgan1291]

@@carboydorifutoparty3976 To get that many maintenance free miles is great! Glad to her BMW is getting its quality reputation back. Just found out the engine is Toyota. Is that true?

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@tommorgan1291 no. Its a BMW engine tho its been around since 2015. Mk5s got the most recent version(they come in multiple variants and go threw almost yearly updates that either increase power or changed parts to prevent issues that the last varient had or changed slightly or majority for emissions in other markets). They're said to be the most reliable BMW engine up yo date, it all comes down to what model/variant of the i6 is what partially matters(they early variants aren't terrible they just have coolant issues which bmw fixed within the next year). Bmw is planning on making another variant with more power and new changes and people are ready to throw power at them once they come around.

[@tommorgan1291]

@@carboydorifutoparty3976 Thank you for bringing me up to date.

[@georgewashington938]

isn't this a rebadged BMW, and not a Supra?

[@justme307]

Gee how timely is that comment.

[@charlesbakston7414]

So the MK4 A80 Supra (4th gen) is just a Lexus SC400/300????

[@Anubis-h5p]

I would have purchased one of these but I refused to buy one that had a BMW engine in it because the engines made by BMW are true money pits that break over and over !!

[@darrenshaw6724]

BMW engine? Not 2jz

[@borla4491]

2JZ didn't start on the Supra(MK4. The fourth generation), it first started in the Toyota JZA147(Aristo)/Lexus GS Sedan. Not the Supra (MK4). Therefore....that's the Aristo's engine

[@michaelsimko7694]

The current gen Supra looks too much like its BMW cousin and has an exterior design that's overdone.

[@Nismo1983]

Nissan!

[@DarthWaffle.]

I understand Toyota using good sense. The cost to develop a new sports car vs how many can they actually sell. A supra turbo was my dream car in 1993. Today, seeing that name on that car is disappointing.

[@nominalvelocity]

Toyota already has sports coupe chassis in their Lexus brand, they have good engines which are sporty. The development is already done, presumably they've already capitalized on it. There was no need to rebadge a BMW.

[@dewarkhodern9990]

You should blame the MK4 A80 Supra (Fourth Generation) for "destroying the Supra name" when that generation Supra was literally a sales flop for over nine years on the dealership market. And was literally criticized by the public being too different to the MK3 A70 Supra (Third Generation)

[@dewarkhodern9990]

​@@nominalvelocity That would've cost Toyota to take a Supra from them Lexus vehicles (like the Lexus LC500) and "make it into the Supra". Along with the Lexus cars(like the Lc500) being HEAVY. Plus the Lexus vehicles such as the Lexus ISF, RCF, LFA , etc Along with the Toyota Supra MK4 A80 (Fourth Generation) literally being sales flops!🙄😒🤣😂😅

[@dinocrest1946]

@@nominalvelocity Toyota has no sporty engines nor chassis they could use. RCF platform is too old and heavy. The LC wouldn’t work. And none of their engines are in anyway sporty enough to fit in a Supra. Toyota could not pull this off without the help of BMW.

[@mikea5205]

Agreed. All they had to do was modernize the 2JZ. It could have been so simple and even more cost effective than sourcing BMW's motor. Damn you Toyota!!

[@MrPottsTeaching]

You were thrilled when Toyota brought back tha BMW lmao ha ha ha :D lmao ha ha ha :D Supra body kit for your BMW lmao ha ha ha :D

[@adrianniemiec8669]

Toyota was wrong , thinking people would pay $57,000 for a 335 HP Supra. 382 HP , and a bit lower price does make a big difference. Lets face it ,57K buys you an Infiniti Q 400 HP red sport four door performance sedan. You will still do 4.4 seconds 0-60 but ride in comfort with 3 - 4 friends instead of sitting just inches from the floor like in the 370 Z .

[@charlesbakston7414]

MK4 A80 Supra (Fourth Generation) was expensive especially during the 1990s. And sold POORLY. So 50000 bucks ain't bad

[@octavioavellaneda4105]

​@@charlesbakston7414 A80, no mk4

[@pmayo7894]

​@@octavioavellaneda4105 - keep in mind that the average joe doesn't read chassis codes, so take it easy.

[@octavioavellaneda4105]

​@@pmayo7894 Me importa un carajo que el ciudadano promedio no lea el chasis, es A90 y punto

[@AmericanBacon.]

In the end Sadly it is still a BMW...... 🤢🤢🤢🤢

[@stevenyia2778]

And who care what you think

[@AmericanBacon.]

@@stevenyia2778 obviously you, did I hurt your feelings, you sound triggered...🤣

[@RobertDooley-sl7cp]

That partnership with BMW made this fully uninteresting to me.

[@droma2366]

It's all about being cost effective. Toyota not in the business of building sports cars

[@cerisem7727]

No other manufacturer makes inline sixes besides BMW these days (at least from what I can tell at the moment), and Supra fans kept begging for an inline six. This is the result of that. Toyota wasn't going to spend money making another inline six if it's only going to be used in just a single vehicle. They could wait a few years for Mazda to unveil their inline six, but that's probably not going to appear for a long time.

[@dewarkhodern9990]

​@@droma2366 Keep in mind that all previous generation Supras was based on another vehicle. The MK4 A80 Supra was based on the Lexus SC 400/300 Coupe(the Lexus SC 400 had the V8 1UZ and the 300 having the 2JZ long before the existince of the MK4 A80 Supra from the Lexus SC coupe). The MK3 A70 Supra was based on the Toyota Soarer. The MK3 A50/60 Supra was based on the Lotus Excel

[@dewarkhodern9990]

@@cerisem7727 And the 2JZ was literally in other Toyota/Lexus vehicles. Not the Supra MK4 A80. And for the record the 2JZ didn't start in the MK4 A80 Supra, it started first in the Toyota JZA147(Aristo)/Lexus GS

[@rudgerscumberland9837]

Better be glad BMW helped, cause if that didn't happen, it would've took Toyota too long the release the Supra, after the Supra(MK5) was "built by Toyota themselves". Along with being too expensive

[@philhenderson3516]

Ummm.. it's worth noting that Toyota didn't do squat for this car. They were only involved in the exterior design, an even then, it was designed for them through multiple sketches supplied by Magna's team. Magna Steyr manufactures these for BMW using 100% BMW parts/components. BMW, in exchange, just wanted full access into Toyota's Hydrogen patents. That was the cost to Toyota. And as greedy as they are, seeing that this would cost them $0, they went ahead and sealed the deal. Absolutely no effort from Toyota on this particular product.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Wdym? They did the exterior design, they did a major update with the 1st year model by changing the heads when the 21 models came around(US models only)for more power,they did theie own fair share of changes to the interiors, they tune the cars suspension yearly,they have their own factory mounts for aftermarket seats,they have points built within the cars chassis to put roll cages in the car,they have engine mounts to even swap the car if the owner wanted to, and the manual model has its own separate way of feel compared to the M3/M4 trans it shares. Its mostly bmw yes but that doesnt mean they slapped it together like they did with the 86. Even then their a good chunk of differences of what toyos been doing with the mk5 vs the Z4 when it came to updates and what's been done to the mk5 since both came out. And lets not forget your talking about the company that makes the F cars that rarely have seen ANY change since the ISF came out(other than the facelift that the RCF got but even then noting much since and the track edition model just gets embarrassed by cars that are 50-60k cheaper than it and it barely keeping up with the cars in its price range at all)

[@philhenderson3516]

@@carboydorifutoparty3976 Oh please! If they really wanted to come up with a ninja of their own, they would've! Nissan has kept abreast with the Z, still made in Japan with its own resources. Why couldn't Toyota do the same with the Supra? They have Aisin transmissions at their disposal, a 3.4TT V6 used in the LS500 and the Tundra/Sequoia in their arsenal. Sure, it's a crappy and overly complex engine when compared to the B58 but IT IS THEIR OWN. If they truly took pride in their work and stood behind their products, they would've never even engaged with BMW for anything to begin with! People like to talk trash about the Koreans but they're doing a better job at capturing the essence of Toyota/Honda these days than the Japanese themselves. A travesty I tell you but a fact!

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

​​@@philhenderson3516 this is late but the z is still on a 10+year old chassis using a already existing engine along with the fact that it's 2-300lbs heavier than its previous gen with soft suspension and having issues even being brought into the market. Sure,they made it themselves,but it's already in the mk5s price bracket or higher and is lack luster in practically every field with the mk5 and other cars in its price range that even a 86 has a chance on taking it on track. Plus the ZF/B58 combo has already shown to be proven combo at aling with many other brands and other cars that even dodge uses them in their high powered hellacts/demons so there's no point in using any of their parts to do so and the B58 has its advantages over toyos V6 since it already has near the same amount of torque as their TTV6(its underrated from factory),much more tunable,has a closed deck block,and has a easier ecu to tune/much easier to package and reach and swap out parts vs having a TTV6 making parts like bigger turbos and other things harder to put into the cars engine bay making positioning and putting different parts in areas difficult since this is a big issues all around for any rwd V6/V8 toyo in the last decade or so(other than the tundras). The B58 isn't hard to service,sure,it has its issues but they arent anything major and majority already know it's issues since they've had them around since 2015 and being in multiple bmw models even up to now. Their own customer base doesn't even really buy their F cars,let alone the fact that dealers are still asking 50k+ for a RC350 when there's a b c many better choices to get over a slow and dated chassis. Yea,they could've made a new supra themselves, but I ask,how many compromises would they have made? We saw what happened to the Z and it's clearly not looking good at all for Nissan no matter how u put it,so if toyo did the same there's no doubt it'd be much more expensive than the mk5 we have no difference in specs and we'd see the same complaints people are making with the new Integra with it being too expensive for what it is(look directly at their F cars and it says it all).

[@philhenderson3516]

@@carboydorifutoparty3976 I agree with what you wrote and it does make sense somewhat, but I still think that for a company that usually takes an unduly pride in its products (let's face it, aside from the F products, Land Cruiser, Camry, past Supra, and the LF-A, there's nothing in Toyo's arsenal worth of praise) to let go of their ego by resorting to partner with BMW (out of all companies) is rather indolent and a total slap to their core values. If they had a more active involvement in developing the Supra, like maybe borrowing the B58 from BMW but assembling the rest themselves would've made sense, but in this case, Magna assembles the whole thing using 100% BMW components. I find it comical that for certain maintenance mishaps, the cars have to be sent straight to a BMW dealership under warranty as Toyota won't service them. That's insane! It's like them throwing the middle finger to any customer devoted to the Toyota creed. Just imagine what a nightmare it'd be when these cars are out of warranty!?

[@charlesbakston7414]

​​​@@philhenderson3516It literally would've costed Toyota too much funds/money to create a new Supra from scratch!🙄 Each Generations of previous Toyota Supras were literally built on already-existing platforms. The Supra MK4 A80 (4th gen) is based on the Lexus SC400/300(300 already having the 2JZ series engine long before the MK4 A80 Supra existed. While 400 had the 1UZ V8 as the "top engine choice" over the 2JZ). MK3 A70 Supra (`which is the best selling Supra to this day. NOT the MK4 A80 Supra which that was a poor seller) is based on the Toyota Soarer MK2 A50/A60 Supra is based on the Lotus Excel. If Toyota would've "built the Supra MK5 from scratch" especially with no collaborations from any manufacturer, the current Supra would literally be expensive as the new/current Honda NSX (and that is poor seller as well), and the Nissan GTR R35 (again, another poor seller). Who TF wants to spend too much on a Supra when people can go get a C8 Rear Mid-Engine Corvette base model for less???? Go figure