I kinda didn't understand - should I buy armada-cologne or not?
@Jay-bw3fl2 жыл бұрын
💯
@Darkpoli3182 жыл бұрын
@@rosgoncharuk2403 Yes
@UnitiveWILLIAM242 жыл бұрын
Dudes still in bed at 3:13 pm 😂 get movin!!
@MrMegatron852 жыл бұрын
🤌
@albonfilms2 жыл бұрын
Mark bought out by Nissan + Jack bought out by Toyota = 0 bias. Maximal profits and maximal journalistic integrity.
@jackholmes81052 жыл бұрын
I havent seen mark since Nissan dropped off a gold platted Nissan Cross Cab.
@Unicornpirate2 жыл бұрын
Mark prefers the old school sports car feel. Jack likes the new tech. Z wins in my book.
@zaitcev02 жыл бұрын
And the winner is Civic?
@DigitalRecollections2 жыл бұрын
Where is your proof or did you pull that accusation out of your ass?
@shadyshinichi2JZ2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day only one was built in Japan (kept its heritage) and the other is built in Austria (sold out its history, 98% BMW parts) So the true JDM vehicle is the Nissan Z.
@Bobby_Vang2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate tracking both with the same tires. You guys really went above and beyond for this testing.
@fongjohnl2 жыл бұрын
Yea, all the big publications just complain about the z's tires. Nice way to set your channel apart.
@jimiverson30852 жыл бұрын
Agree. Tires are such a huge variable that testing 2 performance cars on different tires winds up testing the tires as much as the car.
@Fasty21072 жыл бұрын
Deciding between Supra vs LC500 which one has the more comfortable ride / quieter interior?
@MrComputereviews2 жыл бұрын
@@Fasty2107 lc500
@brolyvi12112 жыл бұрын
@@Fasty2107 the bmw
@kevind.5132 жыл бұрын
The early 90s Konami-style fonts and music just hit all the right nostalgia notes. There's a group of us that will always have a soft spot for that era of cars and video games, and your attention to detail in bringing that in to this video is fantastic. Great work.
@richardbixler2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Can’t get enough generic synthwave myself. Also, the transitions to smoooth jazz are a nice touch😎 @savagegeese please put your track selections in video descriptions so I can listen to it in the car while visualizing my success as big shot Nissan influencer like you and Jack. Charter flights, the finest premium Uni, and crates of Odeur De Armada are in my future, I just need the right tracks.
@Turshin2 жыл бұрын
That was selection screen music for Streets of Rage
@k-peezy27232 жыл бұрын
@@Turshin SoR2 specifically. And if that's the game, have to go Axel
@nappiechan92082 жыл бұрын
@@richardbixler I want the Murano cab on his screensaver
@aaronjaggan2 жыл бұрын
@@Turshin Unknown boss car approaches... *SOR boss music plays Supra and Z : "why do we hear boss music?"
@mtgrimm12 жыл бұрын
As an amateur pest removal professional knowing the Z can hold two cans of Raid is a huge win.
@pdviper772 жыл бұрын
I'm a pest control pro too. Great industry!!!
@newchangeunlisted_viewer55945 ай бұрын
LOL
@bfab31622 жыл бұрын
I own a GR Supra was so happy to see this comparison done with equal tires. It was hard to come up with a fair test on other channels when the Supra had the Michelins and the Z had the comparatively wonky Bridgestones.
@replica41942 жыл бұрын
My favorite thing about this comparison is how happy I'll be with an 86/BRZ knowing I'll never afford the Supra or Z.
@thebox3782 жыл бұрын
I feel that too, I’m really happy with my new 86, I don’t think I’ve ever enjoyed a purchase as much as this.
@jimiverson30852 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Toyobaru was the stealth winner of this comparison.
@darrena40482 жыл бұрын
Give it a few years and you might get a decent deal on a lease return
@TurkeyWilliams2 жыл бұрын
Never say never! I bought a 2019 BRZ and then traded it in for a 2021 Supra. Never thought it would happen!
@bubbleman20022 жыл бұрын
I hope you like RTV in your oil pickup. Don't park it in your garage, either, or it might burn your garage down.
@jesserhodes74302 жыл бұрын
Refreshed ten times to see when this vid was uploaded. You guys are way too underrated. I love the technical analysis embedded with high brow humor. thanks guys for all you do.
@stoneeh2 жыл бұрын
Best car review channel, hands f-ing down. I hardly watch any others anymore.
@AndrewBeveridge4612 жыл бұрын
Nothing says high brow like Mark cramming blow up dolls into a trunk :D
@mikeamizzle2 жыл бұрын
Lol I love the low brow humor too
@xecmai8100 Жыл бұрын
Dont any of you EVER apologize for long videos. It is truly enjoyable, informational and educational quality art that i get excited for and only wish for a blessing of more to spend time on watching. Thank you for the long video.
@boameister2 жыл бұрын
This is why the 86 is a great car. I wanted a car I could thoroughly enjoy on weekend jaunts. I wanted a reasonably priced sports car and tried a Miata, but was to uncomfortable in it. GR is fast enough in the curves and gets constant looks and praise from others. Totally happy I saved big bucks and have a car I can really enjoy and am excited to own.
@seikocitizenwatches2 жыл бұрын
Agree, one doesn’t have to spend a fortune to have fun.
@dustovshio2 жыл бұрын
all this about its fast enough is just negative slave programming to convince us that mediocrity is good. Soon there will be no cars, you will own nothing ,have nothing, and you will enjoy it.
@ianstone76292 жыл бұрын
Dont forget the BRZ. I find the tuning of that one from stock to be more enjoyable.
@jesterokjones49542 жыл бұрын
@@ianstone7629 they're the same exact car though, why do you prefer the BRZ over the 86?
@ianstone76292 жыл бұрын
@@jesterokjones4954 they are diff tuned suspension. BRZ is more comfortable daily driving and I see no lack of responsiveness at the limit. In addition, Subaru dealers are much better to deal with. I found Toyota dealerships to be asshats and Toyota corporate to be very ok with that. Exact opposite from Subaru
@Reparo962 жыл бұрын
I know you guys keep saying that your video was long but the way you guys make your videos makes me feel like it’s not dragging on and on. I watched all 38:15 minutes of this and I wasn’t bored one single bit. Thank you for all you do. Your attention to detail never goes unnoticed.
@MegaFinalRound2 жыл бұрын
That is 28 minutes too long
@FrankMonsta2 жыл бұрын
Yesssss❤
@Ipwnnoobs72 жыл бұрын
Finally a comparison with all cars using the same tire! Thank you!
@Southpaw-qc9gh2 жыл бұрын
Boss told me to take the day off. Got my hot coffee, crisp cool morning and now a savage geese upload 💯
@perfectogaming52402 жыл бұрын
Lucky you 😑 lol
@MasterMalrubius2 жыл бұрын
Every free Friday needs a little goose in the caboose to get it going.
@Southpaw-qc9gh2 жыл бұрын
@@perfectogaming5240 eh I work Saturday lol, still a lose for me
@Southpaw-qc9gh2 жыл бұрын
@@MasterMalrubius amen 🙏
@stocksxbondage2 жыл бұрын
Good for you! Enjoy you lefty
@SidewaysGts2 жыл бұрын
As a "car guy", this was a great video. You do a great job of covering the information i WANT to know as a car guy- and not just the information theyd share at a press release. Going in to weight distributions, putting the cars on equal tires to test them- Great video.
@999Lucas2 жыл бұрын
I like that as an editor you don't stick to the same rigid format over and over. You take risks, and fortune favors the bold. Ive noticed the photography improve significantly in recent years. Its a pleasure to watch.
@kevinbailey32392 жыл бұрын
only halfway through and you guys consistently drop gems. Thank you! Glad to see the 400z holds up.
@rosgoncharuk24032 жыл бұрын
Who would've thought that eating Arby's will make you drop gems!..
@zinny9992 жыл бұрын
It only hold for a few years... then it fall apart like a 90 years old gramp.
@dragospahontu2 жыл бұрын
The engine is a masterpiece for a V6, but the rest of the car is a step behind the BMW.
@Asiansxsymbol2 жыл бұрын
@@zinny999 What?!!! Are you sure you're not talking about the BMW? 😆
@Asiansxsymbol2 жыл бұрын
@@dragospahontu And yet every tester says it's (the Z) a better driver's car.
@nowayitskendo2 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best auto-related channel on the platform.
@BlackstarSI2 жыл бұрын
ALL FACTS 👍🏾
@stlwrx2 жыл бұрын
I would have to disagree
@ResidentAlien_2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the very few car review channels that I watch till the end of the video and enjoy. Top-notch video production, well thought out explanation, and not irritating music but way underrated channel. We gotta help these guys to reach one million subscribers. So whoever is watching this without subscribing, just hit that damn subscribe button!
@webracun67972 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JS-mz7ly2 жыл бұрын
This review was incredible!!!!! THE ENDING 😂😂😂. Great Job guys!!!
@MrEvoXI2 жыл бұрын
Really good idea to show the lap times between the GR86 and others. It’s going to be interesting to see how it compares to other sport cars you review.
@Beer_Dad19752 жыл бұрын
Also the Nissan Armada commercial at the end - that was the best part of the video.
@spaulagain2 жыл бұрын
This is why you guys are the best car review channel of all time. This level of detail, evaluation, and consideration of these two cars can't be found anywhere else.
@maxsdriven2 жыл бұрын
I've tracked my Supra and my Gen 1 BRZ a fair bit and all the observations in the review are so accurate, the GR Supra is much twitchier than the BRZ and takes a lot of concentration and work to drive at the limit and keep in control where as the BRZ is so much easier to drive fast. I really look forward to seeing the new Z at the track and I hope I get a chance to drive one too!
@dannyd77142 жыл бұрын
Duh, you got twice the power and torque. Of course it's twitchier
@KiranPatel-fk1pg2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyd7714 it's also a shorter wheelbase.
@iSOBigD2 жыл бұрын
I was just really surprised to see the 86 with half the HP and a little less weight put down around a 1% slower time. That's a crazy good value compared to the 400z
@jjchockey2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyd7714 it’s mostly about the much shorter wheelbase not the power.
@maxsdriven2 жыл бұрын
@@iSOBigD super competent car, the added torque across the power band makes the car surprisingly quick at any technical road course. A friend who had a modified 86 (all the bolt ons, suspension and aggressive camber, 245 RS4s) bought the new GR86 and put the same lap times down in the totally stock GR86 as they were doing in their modified and tuned gen 1.
@Chimmy9122 жыл бұрын
This is the good stuff that can be expected from you guys. Love it
@elliotthall55432 жыл бұрын
A video is never too long if it has useful, well constructed information throughout. This did. Nice job.
@stansid33262 жыл бұрын
I like how title went from "Germany VS Japan" in the post credits scene to "A rEaL JDM Battle" irl. Nice touch 👌.
@dantesinfernopurgatory78262 жыл бұрын
As a previous owner of a 1st-gen Z, I agree with Mark concerning the old-school driver involvement feel.
@kevinkaiv37252 жыл бұрын
@23:34 Funny, I personally I absolutely love that about the Supra. The short wheel base combined with the mountain of torque makes it feel very rear driven for lack of better words. I can powerslide all over town in it and that *to me* is one of the reason the Supra is such a fun street car. The razor sharp steering, great exhaust note, snappy trans, comfy seats and everything else are just cherry on the cake.
@WhipItSBreezy2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It’s so much fun on the streets, endless smiles man 🔥
@poloska9471 Жыл бұрын
I've been trying to understand which car I would prefer since I don't mind modern stuff due to some of it being surprisingly amazing while I also enjoy older because I learned to drive and still prefer manual transmission, despite also loving how snappy and quick some of these newer automatics have gotten... so I guess I'll just have to quit while I am ahead and go find me like a $80K more expensive mercedes or just outright say screw it and go for even more than that... after all, can't get enough... then I also need to get about $100K to add mods and another $50K+ to fuel and maintain it, and all of that in cash so I don't have to care about any depreciation, then build it at a legendary tune shop, then I will be set for a while... now first I just gotta make that cash real quick and I wont have to choose between the Z or Supra since I'll just find a clear winner in an entirely superior price bracket lmao... why do they make it so hard to choose... could save me so much money... Edit: I found what I want, I think... The new Porsche 911 GT3 Wish me luck making that dough, it seems I will certainly need some...
@SneakySquidSounds2 жыл бұрын
The CrossCabriolet background is the best part of the video. Actually the whole video is the best part of the video. Great work!
@gray25xt2 жыл бұрын
May there be more subs and therefore more money for SG, these guys should be earning hundreds of thousands a year for what they're doing. Thank you SG. Best auto channel on YT by far.
@zero110102 жыл бұрын
Really well done! I appreciate bringing in a pro driver and using the same tire so the comparison wasn’t just about tires. Thanks for being thorough!
@gettcouped2 жыл бұрын
Even the little touch of doing the brake pads on the Z! Very smart and light touches to make sure we can get a sensible approach. Focus on the main components powertrain, suspension and chassis.
@smog-0972 жыл бұрын
So much for it just being "tires".
@rpmautodetailing59582 жыл бұрын
The most underrated auto enthusiast content on KZbin, I said what I said.
@K03sport2 жыл бұрын
Underrated? Have you seen a channel ratings list? Is this just based off subscriber numbers?
@rpmautodetailing59582 жыл бұрын
@@K03sport YES. They aren't even in the top 100 for automotive (that counts views oe subs), kinda complete BS. Should be at least in the top 25.
@TheStimie2 жыл бұрын
That's why we're here
@skiddmcmarx53682 жыл бұрын
IMO, Savagegeese is the best! The honest and the cinematography is extremely special. The chemistry between Jack and Mark is also something very rare whether on YT or off.
@94Greenbean2 жыл бұрын
You guys at SG (including all the behind the scenes folks we don’t know about) are the absolute BEST in the business of car education! Toe to toe with Hagerty and Jason! Love love love your work, I was a service writer for 18 years as a first career. Started in 1997 when the first ITRs came to Acura. Man those were the days! Keep up the great work!
@yaboiyosef76402 жыл бұрын
No hate to those like Hagerty, but honestly I'd really with people would stop comparing them to SG. Jason is all theatre and show which I know people like, but SG is pure driver impression and analysis. Everytime I watch a Hagerty video, I feel like he's trying so hard to overemphasize everything that it feels unnatural.
@gettcouped2 жыл бұрын
And the amazing part is they are doing it with probably 1/10 the resources that Cammisa gets with Hagerty
@lfox022 жыл бұрын
@@yaboiyosef7640 My favorite series of Jason's is definitely Revelations. Icons is for drama, if you like an action movie sort of video. They're both for entertainment for sure, but it's nice he does both approaches.
@Lensync7 Жыл бұрын
How the HELL are you not over 1 million subscribers? Wow!
@msrr13032 жыл бұрын
The B58/ZF8 combo is pretty much the ultimate powertrain. The perfect blend of potential, sound, power and reliability. Props to Nissan for making a new Z. It’s a special car and I’m sure the cult like following behind the Z will make great things with it.
@DONUT28582 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure there's more of a cult following for the supra than there is for the Z but okay lol
@NoBaconForYou2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the manual Supra
@georgef57282 жыл бұрын
Is it reliable? Always wondered what’s up with BMW reliability.
@ChaperoneKnight2 жыл бұрын
@@georgef5728 it is now. It had to pass all of Toyotas standards and they tweaked it themselves to make it more reliable. It's got forged internals, can hold plenty of power without fail. I've had no problems with my Supra since I've had it.
@ianvelarde8517 Жыл бұрын
@@georgef5728 b58 in general is one of BMW’s most reliable engines to date, but the one in the Supra was quality tested a bit more.
@forrestsautoreviewsofficial2 жыл бұрын
Holy smokes guys. Epic, epic video. I’m so glad someone out good tires on the Z. Those stock Bridgestones are trash.
@Technoirz2 жыл бұрын
I had Bridestones in my nismo years ago, yes those are trash 🗑
@joshuadqueen2 жыл бұрын
I heard with upgraded tires it beats the Supra. Now I'm confused.
@dylanlai43012 жыл бұрын
honest to god the production quality is insane. thanks for the 38min of entertainment and greetings from singapore
@brOblio2 жыл бұрын
Giga premium boys. I appreciate the detailed explanations of how each car feels paired with the visceral visuals and sounds. It massages the imagination in such a way that almost makes you feel like you are driving the car. I love both of them. Being a gentleman of a certain age I’d go with the Nissan for sure. I really dig the blue chew interior. I’d put a nice katana hilt decal at the end of each blade on either side of the car. Impatiently awaiting the next video. Keep it up!
@jaredfolsom2 жыл бұрын
The ending was out of control... you guys are the best channel out there!
@USCtrojans262 жыл бұрын
As a Supra owner, what I find does not get talked about enough about the Supra is the presence and attention the car gets. It is mind blowing. Everyone wants to check it out, everyone goes wow a Supra and everyone thinks it’s cool. The car has an “it” factor that just cannot be matched. And that’s a part of owning and driving a sports car - that wow factor when you see it and the reaction others get when they see it. It’s amazing and it’s something that totally caught me by surprise when I first got the car. It’s an amazing car and for the money, I’d argue the best sports car you can buy.
@AI-qd4vb2 жыл бұрын
People are interest in the martian looks of the car... Dont go thinking they think of it as some ferrari or something. Of course non car people will think a rare car they never seen is cool. And yeah, you could argue its the best sports car for its money but you'd be utterly wrong. Its just a shitty Z4 on steroids, lol. It stands no chance against something like the porsche 718, an M2 BMW or even the Mustang and Camaro V8 options. And if you want some real sports car experience, something like the Alpine A110 blows all of these fatasses out of the track.
@Milkman69ner2 жыл бұрын
Up until they say it’s just a BMW. Which is ultimately true
@USCtrojans262 жыл бұрын
@@Milkman69ner no one says except those people who are purposefully saying that to put you down. Don’t really care about those people. Plus it’s true and also a good thing. Can’t imagine how it being a BMW sports car is a bad. BMW makes the best sports cars.
@MumenRider78 Жыл бұрын
@Milkman69ner My E90 M3 has been great. Despite it being old now, I still have people coming up to me to start a conversation. Although the saloon is rare in the UK. Plus, if Toyota did not collaborate with BMW then there wouldn't have been another Supra. Definitely a car I'll be buying in the next few years.
@davepaturno42906 ай бұрын
@USCtrojans26 So...better than Porsche and McLaren? I think not, but BMW does have a good reputation with its M cars.I have a 2024 45th Anniv. GR Supra, and look forward to driving it whenever I can.
@air-headedaviator18052 жыл бұрын
Finally. I’ve been waiting so long for a comparison review between these two legends reborn to be in deep detail, in the way only Savage Geese could deliver. Considering the minds behind both Nissan and Toyota’s sports car development, its interesting to see how they played out almost exactly like the historical versions did. The 4th gen Supra and the Z32 still had these same contrasts. The Z was heavier, the Supra more power, but the Z more traditional sports car and the Supra more insulated. Akio Toyoda and Hiroshi Tamura’s team to this day created competitive awesome cars
@VictorPitstop2 жыл бұрын
Y’all’s comparison here is unparalleled. Absolutely great work and love the insane effort put into this!
@solemate68392 жыл бұрын
I passed you guys on 176 in my red E60 M5 while you were testing the Z (in case you spotted one). I almost crapped my pants I was so excited to see that car. Thanks for the great content as always and I hope to see you guys out on the roads again!
@Meowface.2 жыл бұрын
176...in Surrey ?
@dis69002 жыл бұрын
Y'all's sarcasm and humor make this the best automotive KZbin channel out there. Keep up the great work, Geese!
@omarramirez92002 жыл бұрын
Guys your videos are so in depth. There's no other channel like this. This channel has really grown on me. Keep doing what you do!
@cosmic_gate4762 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting since my Z January pre order in Canada. It's a sad wait but I'm gonna stick it through. Thanks for helping tide us over in the meantime! Your efforts are appreciated 😀
@nbertolo2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this comparison together. Like myself, I'm sure there are some folks out there debating which of these to waste their money on. I like the longer format videos you guys produce. Keep up the great high quality content gents!!!
@jordana71452 жыл бұрын
How this channel isn't at a million subs yet is beyond me. Amazing quality as always, what a pleasure to watch. Thank you!
@davids18162 жыл бұрын
Seriously guys, thank you for having a channel that is this honest, real, cool, and disinterested in being an advertisement. You both are AAA.
@tonyk81632 жыл бұрын
Omg that streets of rage man too me back great music and video
@SaveTheManuals12 жыл бұрын
You guys knocked this out of the park as always!
@Daman11P2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you guys at AMS. They did some magic to the VR family of engines and have quality parts available as well
@chriscahill74632 жыл бұрын
It’s so wild when a new video from a KZbin channel can make you feel giddy like a new episode of your favorite show just dropped.
@CryptoGuyoti2 жыл бұрын
You guys had me with the Streets of Rage 2 select screen music.
@MrGRISAD2 жыл бұрын
Hard not to write a comment saying how we love the art you produce
@thillyard12 жыл бұрын
Another great video that highlights the true differences between the two cars. I didn’t know about the fueling issues with the new Z, that is a pretty big issue for me. I like to live my life one quarter of a gas tank at a time…
@kernoleary13942 жыл бұрын
Only an issue if you're cornering super hard. 370z had the same gas tank and I just never let it get below 1/4
@q6_zilla2 жыл бұрын
PrideAuto makes a pick up tube in tank for the VR30 that basically eliminates this fuel issue. I have it on my Q60. Super easy to install and I did a upgraded low pressure fuel pump too.
@povertyspec96512 жыл бұрын
The Z has a "saddle bag" gas tank. This is only an issue on long sweeping right-turns at high speeds. I've never noticed it on the road, even flying dangerously through mountain passes such as Sitgreaves Pass in Arizona on Old US 66. Z1 Motorsports sells a kit for $550 that is supposed to cure the issue.
@papa_pt2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for your fuel pumps
@danielboyd78102 жыл бұрын
Right? All that supposed care put into the Z and they left a well known design issue. That's modern nissan for you I guess
@MrSlash00r2 жыл бұрын
The Z is sooo close on the styling .. love the back, just wish the headlights were thinner and closer to the original 240
@andyq96692 жыл бұрын
Zed is definitely the nicest design; the Supra is pig-ugly mess of over-styling.
@potatorigs21552 жыл бұрын
@@andyq9669 to each their own supra for me
@nov35852 жыл бұрын
@@potatorigs2155 supra is for potatoheads
@an-dr6eu Жыл бұрын
@@potatorigs2155 The supra is a Frankestein... Theres no opinion there. Its a car design built on top of a platform that it wasnt meant to. The result is a disproportionated mess
@potatorigs2155 Жыл бұрын
@@nov3585cool story
@K03sport2 жыл бұрын
I'm still drawn to BRZ/86 (despite the silicone thing). Sure, knife in a gun fight, but I don't plan on getting into any fights. Plus I have a use for the back seats. 🏁
@lashlarue79242 жыл бұрын
"That BMW shit that I absolutely loathe." 😂😂 Tell us how you really feel! 😂😂
@oliverturner58972 жыл бұрын
That arcade intro was awesome. Quality all day! Liked!!!!!
@stephenbraddy99252 жыл бұрын
Another really great, high-quality video. Good job, boys. The New Z docu was great too. Thank you.
@danm94372 жыл бұрын
"the hatch allows me to put real items like my suitcase when I leave my family" - best way to describe hatch space
@raist3152 жыл бұрын
The Z costs less, I think the Supra looks much better. And I'm not unhappy if I get either of them.
@dantesinfernopurgatory78262 жыл бұрын
No arm-twisting involved.
@taaappp2 жыл бұрын
For some reason I think the Supra is hideous.
@MadWinter8892 жыл бұрын
Imo the z is the prettier car. To each their own.
@Freakysussybaka2 жыл бұрын
@@taaappp same im still pretty salty from the looks of the old concept that i waited to see for i forgot how many years
@taaappp2 жыл бұрын
@@Freakysussybaka I'm big salty bro. I'm happy with the performance but I feel like the character is lost with BMW.
@albertoguerrero59632 жыл бұрын
Having The same tires was such a nice detail to be added! Thanks to that the results are more accurate with a fair comparison! Really love this video since I’m in the market and these three cars are the ones on my list! Thank you 🙏
@broshido27452 жыл бұрын
The GR86 is definitely a steal for that money, it actually has 245 crank hp, combine that with 1250kg its just perfect, definitely recommend it for people that want to improve their driving skills, fun and fast enough
@davepaturno42906 ай бұрын
I'd have to say that of you live in a part of the country with little rain, the a suspension-modified Mazda MX5 is the way to go. Driving on country back roads with the top down is an experience that is irreplaceable with a non-convertible car. So for that $30k range, the MX5 is my pick. Throw in a GR Supra and you have the perfect duo.
@broshido27456 ай бұрын
@@davepaturno4290 I personally am not a fan of convertibles but definitely a good choice, can’t go wrong with either one of them
@greatheightsu2 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail video is the luggage trunk test. This is what the people want. Perfect.
@ndz29132 жыл бұрын
Love how much fun you guys are having in the driving impressions. D-mode - what’s that stand for? 😂
@MrDolphinDives2 жыл бұрын
This is peak SG, thank you for the amazingly detailed and informative video!
@holmboy Жыл бұрын
Came here from the Z documentary, nice work on both videos! Makes me want a Z now! (And Jack, nice Cheese Bar shirt, greetings from Des Moines!)
@dragospahontu2 жыл бұрын
The Supra is the best German and Japanese collaboration in the car world.
@adam9642 жыл бұрын
Did I just see a stunt double??
@savagegeese2 жыл бұрын
Yes, when you have an insurance policy on your shoes, ankles and genitals they dont allow you to do risky moves. So I had to hire a double.
@rosgoncharuk24032 жыл бұрын
@@savagegeese do you need any more? Stay safe!
@adam9642 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing Jack's gorilla double in the future.
@googleleavemynamealone91452 жыл бұрын
@@savagegeese you gotta join scientology for the Tom Cruise stunt specials Also thanks for arguing such finer details, that I bet a set of Stainless lines to the rears only on the Z would change it on threshold. I would never get that insight anywhere else. Thanks!
@Affalterbach19672 жыл бұрын
BRZ86 is the gorilla in the room here.
@waltersmith31652 жыл бұрын
Great thorough review as always. Man, the post review video was epic. 🤣🤣
@MatthewGaither2 жыл бұрын
Great job team. I really enjoyed this one and I know how much time and effort it must have taken to put together. I appreciate all of your hard work! And, despite being a BMW owner and fan, I agree with Mark on this one and would rather have the Z for all the same reasons he mentioned. Cars that talk to you and react in an organic way to driver inputs are all too rare these days!
@mathieucossette90192 жыл бұрын
Guys... watch until the last seconds ! Hahahhahaha Awesome technical vid by the way !
@konradchristen2 жыл бұрын
When I was doing HPDE in my 370z the fuel starve was so bad that I ended up putting a second pump in the tank to function as a pickup on the other side. It solved all of my fueling issues. Although I've heard that time attack level drivers still had issues even with setups like this. It's sad to hear Nissan didn't fix these issues but addressed the oil cooling and clutch slave cylinder issues from the base Z34 platform.
@Crownleyian Жыл бұрын
Yep it’s a huge letdown and really unacceptable their not hard issues to resolve really, they should’ve called their Renault Sport/Alpine partners to resolve these issues, with their input you would’ve had a proper track and street machine!
@brianmiller15802 жыл бұрын
I actually prefer the looks of the GR86 but If I could have my choice of the three I'd take the Z
@markmiller32792 жыл бұрын
True, but it isn't hard to look better than the Supra. I thought I'd get used to its styling, but it looks as ugly as the first time I saw it. The Z is handsome, but could have been better. The metal swooshes up over the roof and down the back look very generic to me. The overall shape is classic and works great, and the more open, practical interior would make this a much nicer daily.
@CL9k24a32 жыл бұрын
The ending is worth more than whole episode
@savagegeese2 жыл бұрын
Art
@CL9k24a32 жыл бұрын
@@savagegeeseit is... beyond art
@hyenaman0072 жыл бұрын
I seen the GR Supra rolling in real life a few days ago … it has such a presence on the road. Looks absolutely stunning
@bman16682 жыл бұрын
Park it on empty lot and see how many people come by drive by to check it out it’s insane! Literally can’t park anywhere lol 😂 attention insane feels like u in mclaren or Ferrari
@MKu642 жыл бұрын
I was all in on the Supra - until I sat in it and felt so claustrophobic... Had to go the gr86 which although smaller feels more spacious (and honestly, it drives amazingly).
@bman16682 жыл бұрын
@@MKu64 indeed Supra is 2 door no back seats sports cars it’s made for not so tall or big people and it’s hard to see out of it unless u short but gr86 is great sports car hope it’s manual auto is waste of money
@MKu642 жыл бұрын
@@bman1668 Yep Manual 👍
@bman16682 жыл бұрын
@@MKu64 good choice! Love the new gen! Looks way more slick than new z lol
@machineslave32 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video, you guys really went the extra mile for it. I can see you’ve already pissed people off! Nice work! I don’t think people realize you have to maintain good relationships with these brands otherwise they won’t send you cars to review.
@jimquantic Жыл бұрын
With all the performance data and discussion, I am glad someone mentioned the Supra is "a quieter car" (time index 38:14). See, when you drive 6 hours, or more--road trip, it really does matter, cause you are not always "racing", you do want to talk to the person in the car with you, and even if driving alone, you may want to converse via blue tooth on the phone--or listen to music. So often, especially young people, don't offer one word about interior quietness and believe me, even if you are young, long road trips brings the issue up.
@plantman772 жыл бұрын
Looks like you guys went all out on this one. Can't wait to see reviews for the manual version of both cars.
@collinrobinson30852 жыл бұрын
You guys make the best automotive content on youtube and it's really not even close. There's one other channel that probably rivals you in production quality, but you guys really stand out in the time spent expanding on the intricacies on the technical side and what it means to actually use and own these vehicles. I also really appreciate your sense of humor and showing yourselves which keeps it fun and real, without making it all about you. You've threaded the needle between education and entertainment and in turn made the perfect content. Keep it up! P.s. I'd love to buy a shirt when they are back in stock
@Thefrankmaister19112 жыл бұрын
Outstanding work 👏. Thank you for bringing these awesome videos.
@markreyna42092 жыл бұрын
Saving up for the Z and when the time comes to buy. Hopefully, the Nismo will be available. Love all of them though.
@b0baphat2492 жыл бұрын
Ive been saying this from day 1 of the supra vs z video, particularly the b58 vs vr30 debate that the b58 is not only more potent, it can hold well up to 700+ crank hp with stock internals RELIABLY, where as the vr30 after 600 crank becomes a gamble as quoted by AMS themselves in this video now dont tell me that this particular tuner is a bmw fan boy or something since its the typical nissan peasant comeback, but im sure even now some nissan peasant will still comment how they know a guy who knows another guy whose cousin's wife's bf has a q 60 with 700 whp just on dp and tune lol.
@edennard12 жыл бұрын
I feel ya and you maybe correct on how much more bhp the b58 can hold more than the z, However at the age I am now I doubt that I’ll be testing theory… So whatever it comes with ( or don’t) then it is what it is… I’ll just appreciate it for what it is.
@garagers66672 жыл бұрын
Are you ok, bro? “Nissan peasant”? Maybe gear down a tad, ace. Regardless, how much HP is your bmw putting down? How is it on track? Any reliability issues with big HP?
@b0baphat2492 жыл бұрын
@@garagers6667 do you have any issues with your comprehension skills? in this same video didnt the all mighty nissan tuner ams themselves say that the b58 with stock internals hold more whp reliably? RELIABLY? they were speaking well in layman's terms that too in English. like i said typical nissan peasants and their bmw hate. lol
@nathantaylor40432 жыл бұрын
The vr30 in the z I’m sure it’s beefed up to handle more power
@b0baphat2492 жыл бұрын
@@nathantaylor4043 lmfao what part of the video where AMS themselves said vr30 cant go more than 600 crank reliably did u not get? sure it can be beefed up but it will end up a lot of $$$
@dub88acc2 жыл бұрын
Yesssss been waiting all week for this one. Keep up the great content
@xxthehuskycaboosexx2 жыл бұрын
It’s the supra for me. The fact that the Z is still on an ancient chassis and is slower in every way is a complete deterrent
@tareqjawdat64012 жыл бұрын
I'm a person who buys cars n sell them here in Dubai, I used to deal in Z's in particular, I used to love them for I don't know what reason, that old chassis wasn't good, you feel its way too heavier at the front, very tight on space and it was one of the worse if not THE worst when it comes to fuel consumption as these would be your daily cars! only good points were that most of its serviceable parts were affordable. Oh and one major issue with the previous gen is the overheating issue that was there since the year 2009 and till date.. nissan never resolved that simple issue and kept on selling the same crap to people all around the world. That alone was very frustrating that they're not even bothered fixing that flaw for over 10 years!! and by the looks of this new gen, you can tell its the exact same car with new engine and dashboard, they didn't even bother to redesign the door panels or even change the seats a bit, they just changed the color of the materials used... when u sit on that old seat and lean ur head back on the headrest the metalic poles that extends from the rests inside the backrest would push back against u and u'd feel it hitting ur back... that made the seat feel so cheap and I bet you that its still there with that new Z seat
@AI-qd4vb2 жыл бұрын
the platform being old doesnt mean the chasis is old you numbnuts... Its slower cause its cheaper on every regard.
@AI-qd4vb2 жыл бұрын
@@tareqjawdat6401 The FM platform has always provided almost perfect 50/50 balance weight. Even on their sedan cars like the Skyline. Stop spouting nonsense out of your ass.
@alalal1234212 жыл бұрын
what about the supra being totally artificial and the z actually being interactive... still think the supra is better and incredible for the price but those are exciting things about the z
@dustovshio2 жыл бұрын
yeah the sad thing is the sup came out years ago and is still more advanced. Sup engine has way more potential than the Z much like the mkiv vs the z32. Is the sup the worthy successor to the mkiv ? No, but the Z is a whole new level of depravity. This is coming from a former z owner. I would never buy this new Z only the C8 Corvette which doesn't cost much more than the Sup.
@UnitiveWILLIAM242 жыл бұрын
I respect both of your opinions, but my automotive mindset is more in line with Marks philosophy of what a good car/sports car is. I’d take the Z 8/10 times if I had the choice. There’s something intangible about it that’s captivating. I understand statistically, it’s not as good as the Supra, and I can accept that. But, the Z is harmonizing the missed visceral feel of the golden aged sports cars with what youd expect in a modern GT car. To me, that’s a unique offering in an era that emphasizes electronics, isolation, and specifications. Excellent video and I hope you guys never stop making these. Cheers!
@xturboexpress2 жыл бұрын
Driving a Plaid made this crystal clear to me. There's so much more to a good fun driving car than power / speed.
@hotdog92622 жыл бұрын
you need to drive both to make up your mind. making a decisions around other peoples opinions is a trap. I would guess most would enjoy the supra more, mark seems to put a lot emphasis on subtle differences
@J.Wick. Жыл бұрын
Phenomenal content, as usual gents. Love seeing these 2 beasts on the roads once again. I was 16 in 98-99 and got to see/grow up with the 300z and Mk4, and then shortly after they disappeared. Fastest car I've been in to this day was a 1995 300ZX TT dyno'd at 574.8rwhp. Hope these stick around awhile. One may be in my future once my 17 Camaro SS gets to it's twilight years. Cheers.
@DragonKnightX122 жыл бұрын
Gotta be honest. I was excited for the Z when it got announced, but after seeing how the car actually performs. Hype just took a nose dive.
@DONUT28582 жыл бұрын
I mean...the Z has never been fast lol
@davec.31982 жыл бұрын
I have no dog in the fight...but I'm not buying a BMW. There is a reason their resale is shit. As far as power is concerned, I bet a tun and the Z will be on par with the BMW. Wait for nismo. It might be right out of the box.
@DragonKnightX122 жыл бұрын
@@davec.3198 You could say the exact same for Nissan. The VQ engine has a rep for blowing turbos. At least the B58 in the Supra has been modified by Toyota. As far as power arguments goes, you can also just tune the Supra. People are making 480whp just with some bolt-ons and a down pipe. It’s not just the power that disappoints. The handling isn’t on par with the Zupra. Just feel. the video looks like it’s on par with a Dodge. It’s getting slower laps then the 86 on some tracks. Plus problems that have been in the platform for several generations still existing. It’s pretty sad. Be better off buying a Mustang or Camaro with their track packs.
@davec.31982 жыл бұрын
@@DragonKnightX12 I'm not sure I understand your point. You're saying that a Mustang or Camaro is more reliable and handles better than a Z? I'm not following the logic. Blowing a turbo is entirely different than having a vehicle laden with all kinds of issues, as BMW's are know for. Hence the bad resale.
@DragonKnightX122 жыл бұрын
@@davec.3198 Let me put this way. Nissan is the Kia of Japan. Your making a reliability argument when neither brand has a leg to stand on. BMWs are known for electrical issues, their engines are pretty solid. Replacing a turbo or a trans isn’t cheap. Yea I’m saying that. That Z is struggling to hold traction like a Challenger would.
@Promit2 жыл бұрын
Really loved this video. It's only a matter of time before Nissan does a new Z Nismo and I think that's when the car will really come into its own for true sports/track car use.
@Asiansxsymbol2 жыл бұрын
With the last gen (370), the difference between the regular model and Nismo was night and day. The new Nismo will be sick!
@Matt-oj2kl2 жыл бұрын
I’m waiting on the nismo before I buy the z.
@Mr.Lambert7772 жыл бұрын
I agree !! That’s what I am waiting on to get is the Nismo Z. I feel , and believe that the Nismo will be a true competitor with the Supra/bmw GR. I think it will out run the Supra in straight line and on the track, but we shall see.
@alexmaccain23622 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.Lambert777 an less Toyota put 2 turbo on the b58
@TakeThis_L2 жыл бұрын
A tuned Z would beat a tuned supra easily, you can reach 500hp with the stock engine + bolt ons. Look at this q60 for example, it keeps up with the supra and it’s heavier than the Z but same engine. kzbin.infoH9nU7F3eldw?feature=share
@daniel45-702 жыл бұрын
Finally, a car I can use to rival my wife's yoga instructors supra! This review is gonna be good
@tyler97032 жыл бұрын
Now that the Supra comes with a manual, I hate to say it but I'm going Supra all day purely because of how much lighter it is than the Z. The Nissan is just too chonk for my liking.
@tyler97032 жыл бұрын
@Nguyen Khoa If you can lend me 60K I'll gladly do so lol
@tylerrynberg2 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video from you guys...it's clear just how much work you put into these videos and we really appreciate it!
@mummafier Жыл бұрын
HAHA So funny! Maybe, I have been watching too many Supra reviews and all the "blah, blah it's a BMW, jk, I mean, Toyota" jokes are feeling a little cringe lol. It's every channel. You guys did a pretty good job of making it natural, but some of the other channels don't even try lol. Great video though, loved the content and the work put into it!
@xFlared2 жыл бұрын
I'm really curious how the M2 would've compared to both of these.
@K03sport2 жыл бұрын
Why not? The M2 is great car in its own right. The only thing I'm not a fan of in the M2 is the bespoke "M" parts for normal mx. Upgrades are more expensive as there are fewer cars overall. What fits your life better? Where do you feel the most comfortable?
@sigmaprojects2 жыл бұрын
It's a fair question. Also great to hear Supra will be available finally in a manual with the 6 cylinder.
@jaytb20052 жыл бұрын
emplemon fan?
@mrblackbond2 жыл бұрын
I want a Supra SO bad! I’m 5’8 and relatively small/slender guy and I had no issues getting in and out of the Supra during a test drive. The trunk didn’t bother me at all bc my current DD is an Audi A3 Quattro. Same cargo space. I did not however like the limited amount of storage compartments. I never felt claustrophobic though.
@smog-0972 жыл бұрын
It's not claustrophobic ... people just making things up at this point.
@Cle_M32 жыл бұрын
@@smog-097 Totally makes sense, everyone on planet earth is the same height and weight…
@smog-0972 жыл бұрын
@@Cle_M3 Headroom/Legroom/Shoulder Room: Z: 38.2/42.9/54.2 Supra: 38.3/42.9/54.4 ... looks like Z owners better get a therapist, because they are identical inside.
@Cle_M32 жыл бұрын
@@smog-097 They’re both small on the inside lmao. Won’t ever fucking catch me in Z tho. 😂😂
@aaronpark76362 жыл бұрын
Agreed, this video felt pretty biased at times towards the Z. The Supra’s road presence and reliable power potential shits on the Z.
@youngbrevy2 жыл бұрын
I’d still take the Supra over the Z. NOT for speed, but for looks.
@claydand2420 Жыл бұрын
Recent subscriber. Really enjoy the multi layer analysis. Great thought process and rich intellectual multi layer bias from all angles covered. Top notch. Thanks. Appreciate everything I've seen.
@ovidiscool2 жыл бұрын
The same compound for testing is a great move. Should try using something like continental extreme contact summer to better match the factory spring rates of most unmodified vehicles.