2023 Yamaha MT07 | Is it still FUN in 2023?

2023 Yamaha MT07 | First Ride Review
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[@noherczeg]

So instead of fixing the front forks which everyone was complaining about for 6 years, they slapped a TFT onto it. Amazing progress.

[@izzy8609]

1 step forward 2 steps back lol

[@rebellucy6200]

it will still sell. Amazing value

[@Deathmaster3333]

I hear you, but I think it's necessary to keep the price dowb. Like Dan said (and from what I've read) it's sufficient for daily road use and only really starts to lack if you're hitting the track or twisties.

[@kellyd1910]

I went to see this model with intentions of purchasing tomorrow but that tft is disgustingly ugly.

[@rebellucy6200]

I have a 2023 and love the screen. The forks can always be changed.

[@3fingeredfrank]

I purchased a 2019 MT07 for I hadn't rode in 30 years. A great bike. sorted out the suspension. Dave Moss has a cheap fix for that soft front fork, Ohlin on the rear and S22's. A blast on tight twisties. The Ohlins kit would be an excellent investment.

[@motyla_noga4802]

Bought a 2016 model and love it!

[@superleggenda]

75HP is more than anyone will ever need on open roads, and more than most riders are capable of handling anyway. There is very little point selling 200HP road bikes that stay up just thanks to rider aids. I don’t like the look of any Yamaha model (I am more of a Triumph guy), but I find the sheer simplicity of a bike with a wired accelerator, no riding modes and no unnecessary bullshit very refreshing. And possibly less expensive to maintain. You can’t break what is not there in the first place.

[@ReevyMotovlogs]

It's more than enough but does get boring over time, it kinda left me wanting more. After trying an MT-09, MT-10, R1 and Nuda 900R, going back to the MT-07 didn't feel as exciting.

[@superleggenda]

@@ReevyMotovlogs Of course it didn’t, because raw grunt is always more exciting. But having more power means there will be plenty of times you won’t be able to use it for whatever reason. Riding aids are making dangerous bikes rideable, but they do it by basically limiting power output. The MT07 in that respect is a much more honest bike. It is what it is, no reason to curtail its power because it is just enough.

[@astrostrotch]

​@@superleggendaWell said!

[@cunningpunt]

75hp with a 80kg rider is fine on a 180kg bike. Two up touring on a 250kg bike you need around 117hp for the same power/weight. I think the sweet spot is about 100hp if you want to do a bit of everything.

[@JosephStanek-jj3uo]

​@@cunningpunthmmmm... MT 09 has 117hp.

[@bushpigtrent]

We need an MT07 SP!

[@FuelwithDave]

My first bike was the first gen. Great bikes. CP2 engine was always great fun 😊

[@joecamel6835]

It's too much torque for you .

[@robmance1611]

It’s cool to see a video about the MT07 update, I did my training and test on the previous version and I’d love to go back and try this knowing what I know now… which isn’t loads but I’ve had an GSX-8S for a few months now and I feel like Suzuki worked hard to make a worthy competitor to the MT07 which like you say is testament to how good it is. I also loved your video on the 8S that might have had something to do with me getting one. Thanks!

[@johnflavin1602]

Any complaints with the GSX-8 or all good?

[@YungMerlyn]

Awesome review. Love your videos Dan.

[@Englishbikerdan]

I appreciate that!

[@johna6968]

Gets more polished every video. The gurning at the camera seems to have gone now. Very professional.

[@Englishbikerdan]

I'll have to gurn more!

[@OptimalGoat]

The one and only reference to the bars being raised 12mm and offset 10mm towards the rider, is from this video, and I've watched pretty much every 2023 MT07 vid worth watching on KZbin, I'm not saying it's wrong- I believe it! I just can't believe nobody else has mentioned it, it's a big change...🤔 A lot mentioned the bars being wider, but nothing else.

[@doghous3]

have my DAS coming up in a couple of months. thought I'd check out what I'll be doing my test on! Always like your reviews. Cheers, man.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Thanks man, best of luck with your test!

[@kurc24k76]

Really glad you mentioned that it is appealing even to more expirienced riders. Hate when people call an MT-07, GSX-8S or Hornet 750 a "begginer bike" makes it sound like everyone need to upgrade to liter bike eventually but big engine and a lot of power is not equivalent to how much fun you have on a bike and for most people 70-100HP is more than enaugh for a fun daily ride. I had an opportunity to test ride the GSX-8S as well as GSX-S1000GT and I've got to say while on the 8S I couldn't stop smiling, can't say tha same about S1000GT.

[@Englishbikerdan]

I think the term beginner bike denotes a good first bike. I've never seen that as it's only for new riders, I have an SV650 which many called a girl's bike back in the day! :D

[@rebellucy6200]

Agreed. I have been riding for 40 years and ridden tons of 1000cc+ bikes. The torque on my 2023 MT07 even surprised me. A beginner will easily end up on their back if they don't respect that engine.

[@Mr450pro]

I got my license last year and bought a 750 Hornet as my first bike. I just sold it to get a 2023 mt09sp. I just got tired of riding the Hornet and needed more power. People are different and not all want a 300-400 cc bike to start on.

[@AfaqDraw]

A nice Friday morning upload 😌

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

Great bike. I prefer the XSR700, but that engine is fantastic. NJ

[@LickyDischarge]

These are fantastic bikes, I rode one briefly in 2018 and loved it. By the way your HJC lid is very smart 😎👍🏻👍🏻

[@joecamel6835]

a lid is weed

[@LickyDischarge]

@@joecamel6835 fascinating 🥱

[@jacobellw]

What is up with the border on that screen? Is this 2002? :D Funny how the little things bug you. That would stop me from buying it. Thank you for the video! love it!

[@islerenner]

Just bought this exact bike, 23 MT-07 in Matte Raven Black as my first bike and it's absolutely amazing, for me.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Enjoy!

[@Shane-ln5zz]

I have a 2022 MT 07 that i picked up used this year, bit if i was to buy new the the Suzuki Gsx8 is miles ahead

[@SlapshodWingnut]

Great video. I think you're right about the forthcoming upgrades. I wonder, though, if that will add weight and effect the handling...? Did I detect little a Arkwright stutter at 2:20!? 😂 Keep it up mate!

[@monawoka97]

Yes

[@deanharris9331]

I've always liked the MT07. I wonder if the designer's have based this latest incarnation on the alien tripod from War of the worlds?🤔🤣🤣 Great review as always mate 👍 😊

[@kalnwi2023]

I thought the same thing so..why not them, probably so .

[@Dan-56]

The ignition key/dash location looks like a complete afterthought 🤨. If you did want to put a small windshield on it to block some of the wind off your chest at motorway speeds, getting to the key would be a real pain in the ass 😳!

[@rustworks2588]

Wow! No DBW? Interesting! Was this intentional for a more analog ride or was it to save costs?

[@Zipking20]

Thats big ech tft

[@roadstrom]

I love my 07 and still is out selling new Suzuki 800s and hornet 750 in Australia 😏

[@geoffarrowsmith2198]

Maybe the LAMS version is selling well however I doubt if the HO is outselling those two.

[@_Archambaud]

Great review.suprised you only got 52mpg,thought it would do better

[@astrostrotch]

God knows what he was doing to get that. I rarely get below 60 even with a bit of spirited riding.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Lots and lots of wheelies. 😂

[@bradlyannetejeda]

Got it but dont know how to ride it yet lmao powerful for a beginner like me. Ill take the endorsement in January

[@kalnwi2023]

Omg, are you still alive ?

[@bradlyannetejeda]

@kalnwi2023 I learned how to ride, but I haven't been able to ride it yet. The weather, it's been extremely bad. And that's rude.

[@MotoGoato]

Cracking, simple, unintimidating, fun bikes ..... but out classed by cheaper bikes from other manufacturers now, Yamaha are lagging behind a bit on this one - £7.5K is too expensive for what the MT07 offers when compared with the competition.

[@barry5138]

What would you recommend instead?

[@MotoGoato]

@@barry5138 both the Honda CB750 Hornet (£6999) and KTM 790 Duke (currently on offer in the majority of dealerships for £6999) are a step up from the MT07 in terms of componentry, electronics and performance. The KTM could be a gamble reliability wise but the Honda should be solid on that front.

[@512460]

I appreciate your eyes and common sense

[@Englishbikerdan]

On paper, yes. However, once you ride these bikes they are all very good. The MT07 still runs with the new pack in my opinion.

[@MotoGoato]

@@Englishbikerdan I owned a 2018 MT07 from new for 14 months and now own a 2019 790 Duke ... the Duke is comprehensively more bike in every area than the MT - better suspension and chassis, a lot more engine performance, lean sensing IMU, full suite of top level electronics available. There is no doubt it is in a higher class than the MT07 ... yet costs just over £500 less currently. The MT is a great fun and simple bike but it is priced around £1.5K too high for the basic spec and componentry it offers.

[@rebellucy6200]

I noticed the same about the clutch on my 2023 being clunky. Apparently this a manufacturer defect and my dealer is rebuilding the clutch under warranty.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Yeah, even my Tracer 9 has some clutch weirdness. It's a Yamaha thing!

[@ktkace]

If you wrench and can add YSS front and rear sus + newer 2021 sport tires, this bike is golden, just dont get the 2nd gen, the ergos suck big time compared to teh 1st gen in the tank section.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Yeah, I'd imagine that would make a big difference. Cheers!

[@peterlincoln3067]

I did replace the suspension on my 22 and it has changed the bike completely.

[@s11039858]

Test roadr both this and sv650, went with sv. No regrets

[@knifetoucher]

Opposite for me, SV seat was too short.

[@adjbob56]

the rear shock has rebound adjustment. Your 2016 model didn't, but I think since around 2018 the rear shock is different and has rebound adjust

[@Englishbikerdan]

I can't find any documentation to support this. Can you advise where the info is?

[@peterlincoln3067]

I have a 22 which with out the new instrument panel is the same bike, i had the suspension replaced back and front. It's now a completely different bike.

[@davidleonard8369]

Look in the owners manual. I have a 2022 and it indeed has rebound adjustment in the back.

[@peterlincoln3067]

@@davidleonard8369 yep you are dead right.

[@Napoleon_Blownapart]

It got completely outclassed by the new, cheaper, Hornet.

[@homersimpson2963]

Any chance you'll be reviewing the MT-09 soon? 😃

[@Englishbikerdan]

It might be a bit too late this year but I'll see what I can do.

[@acejordan17]

How much does this MT07 go for mate?

[@garystratton8731]

Hi Dan i am torn between this, the new Hornet and Trident 660 and possibly the CB650R. Can i ask how it compares, particularly to the Hornet 750? Does it now feel lacking in power compared? Which would you spend your money on out of these options.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Yes, the MT07 is lacking a bit of top end power compared to the Hornet. But it's still a fun bike. Test everything you can.

[@p305-mrworldwide9]

You forgot the ktm duke 690 thats it main challanger

[@italianstallion701]

Street and Tour themes are different, you just didn’t select it correctly, press it once and then press and hold.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Ah thanks! 👍

[@cunningpunt]

The KTM 790 is 6999 too. But yeah it's a KTM.

[@The.JZA.]

You didn’t mention the CB650R. You don’t think that competes? I know it’s an inline 4 but still a great middleweight bike with better suspension, better brakes, more power and that beautiful inline 4.

[@Englishbikerdan]

I did a comparison vid between these two, but I feel they don't quite compete with eachother. Having owned both.

[@The.JZA.]

@@Englishbikerdan Fair enough! I mean, I did cross shop them, they’re both middleweights and both cost about the same price but yeah, different kind of bike. I went for the CB650R on discount. 2022 model brand new. Will pick it up in a week.

[@primarqo]

Do somebody know, if also MT-07 Pure (2022) has 2 catalytic converters?

[@peterlincoln3067]

Had one cat, i scrapped my entire exhaust and replaced with Akra

[@jefflambert8603]

If Yamaha start adding on extra things Like Upside Down forks & things Won't they be getting away from the Point of the MT-07... the Simplicity & Fun.?

[@Englishbikerdan]

I see what you are saying, and for the most part I agree. The SV and this MT are the last of the old-school bikes. However, now you have more modern bikes from Suzuki, Honda and Triumph I think Yamaha will feel the need to do something.

[@Mr450pro]

Dan, only one point where I don’t agree with you. The seat is absolutely terrible 😅 it’s the very first thing you notice when you sit on the bike. Aftermarket seat or Yamaha comfort seat is must Btw Yamaha should have made a mt07 sp

[@Englishbikerdan]

I had no issues with the seat at all. I even toured Europe on my 07.

[@Briansgate]

I wish bikes like this had lower seat heights

[@PeterOekvist]

It would be too low...

[@MarianChicu]

@EnglishBikerDan, you've had them both.. what would you prefer? The Sv650 or the Mt07? I know looks are subjective, so for me it's the Sv650X .. but how's the underlying skeletons? the engines, suspensions, breaks, all the package? What say you? Will ofc drive-test them both in the spring for the new season, but need to keep dreaming in the autumn/winter break.. so need a pro's opinion :). Need a fun day to day/weekend bike. No long touring on it, only a couple of hours of fun. Have a 300cc which I've loved, but kind of grown over the limited power. Might go even further up the class in case I manage to drink less this winter, up to Ktm 790 or the Gsx-8s, Honda Hornet.. but right now I'm looking for cheap fun :).

[@JibsMotoVlog]

Thank you for the video but made me sad knowing this great bike (model 2023) is made in my country and Yamaha decided not to sell it here. Why Yamaha???

[@davidleonard8369]

So you live in Japan and Yamaha doesn’t sell it there?

[@korazon3spinado]

Are you going to trade your SV for it since you like it better than your SV?

[@Englishbikerdan]

Probably not, my SV is a different sort of riding experience but one that I still enjoy. Thanks!

[@davedunkelberger7050]

Do you find the shifting to be clunky and stiff sometimes?

[@lena19191]

My bike was new and had done 300 km . I had a similar issue to shifting and thought this was rubbish for a 2024 bike and I understand it’s still not run in yet for a new bike . I changed the oil and got a big change , gears shifted like they should . Note the bike does need a warm up as the clutch gets a bit sticky ‘ when put into first gear and grabs ‘ but once warm up all good . Try a quality oil and hope this helps , otherwise better take the bike to a mechanic. Good luck 👍🏼

[@korazon3spinado]

Would you rather have this than your sv650? I guess this is a fair bit more expensive.

[@Englishbikerdan]

This is definitely more fun than the SV for me. So I'd probably say yes.

[@korazon3spinado]

What makes it more fun than the SV?

[@rizal_gelap_gulita3847]

The news that I know is that the Yamaha MT 07 is produced in Indonesia and marketed in Europe Please correct if wrong

[@rushiiiop]

2023-onward in Indonesia, previous models fully japanese.

[@rizal_gelap_gulita3847]

@@rushiiiop Yes, you're right

[@John-Dukemaster]

No comparisson with KTM 790 Duke? Because that's a winner!

[@primarqo]

It's not even competitor.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Yeah the KTM is great, I feel it outclasses everything in the category in terms of pure performance.

[@ronwhite8503]

Until it breaks down.

[@fs5866]

790 duke competes with the mt-09.

[@primarqo]

@@fs5866 more likely duke 890.. but yes, it closer to mt-09 than mt-07..

[@Brabobiker.]

As a MT07 2022 owner, i agree on all of it.. BUT : i wouldn't buy the mt07 again in 2023.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Interesting, what would you buy?

[@512460]

This bike in 2023 doesn't make sense. Why would you buy a 23 model when it's the same as 2016 they didn't upgrade the suspension or brakes. Soo why buy a newer version that hasn't improved. Which no doubt cost more. Also you could buy a lot more bike in the used market for this price too

[@joecamel6835]

Now that's a good point.

[@Englishbikerdan]

Honestly, it doesn't worry me too much where they are built. My Jap built MT07 was a nightmare. Seems they've fixed many of the issues now.

[@TreyyDaMenaceFan]

that large-bezelled tablet attached to the handlebars is hella ugly

[@user-ys4cy2bc6u]

Hired one in Spain shit handling bouncy castle really uncomfortable

[@kalnwi2023]

noob

[@alexmitchell2018]

Not gonna lie, that dash is ugly as hell. I welcome the fact that its TFT now, but I think it's the giant bezels that makes it look like a 1970's TV.

[@darkeagle4994]

un veau...

[@1974leszek]

It would be great if you stopped using the front camera which irritates me and is completely unnecessary

[@joecamel6835]

You like the MT-07 ?

[@Englishbikerdan]

The things people get upset about. 😂

[@cannonfodder691]

I learned to ride on the previous version and to my eyes that looked a lot better. I’m not a fan of this at all it’s not a looker