2024 Alfa Romeo Tonale VS Dodge Hornet: Badge Engineering?

[@PaNativ]

No matter how you compare the two, no matter what package line, I’m going with the Alfa all day long

[@masonvevo.]

Why? You’re paying thousands more for a badge when it’s still a Chrysler

[@PaNativ]

@@masonvevo. nope not a Chrysler. It’s a Stellantis small platform that has been engineered the hell out of by Alfa Romeo so that it looks and feels and drives nothing like the Stellantis small platform

[@BigBlackGuy]

Lol you'd wanna drive a fucking toenail 🤣

[@masonvevo.]

@@PaNativ Stellantis is a fancy name for Chrysler because they know their rep for reliability, engineering and dependability is disgusting. Your car won’t last longer than 11 months

[@PaNativ]

@@masonvevo. kind of like everything else out there then? The complete line of F-150s have major electrical and transmission issues. Jeep, well enough said. Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra were ranked as the least reliable full-size truck in 2021 with engine issues and quality issues, nothing has changed for 2023. Lincoln Aviator: Major electrical issues including back over prevention, forward collision avoidance, and the fuel/propulsion system, brakes, steering, suspension, and vehicle speed control. By far the most common problem is related to a warning message the driver gets to “stop safely now.” There are indications that this may be related to some sort of battery failure. Airbags are also a big issue. I could go on and on…Alfa is much better than many mainstream manufacturers. If you want ultimate reliability chances, go with Toyota, otherwise move on and be prepared to take whatever new model vehicle you are driving into the shop more often than ever before.

[@bigpopa1971]

I purchased a GT Plus with the Track Pack. Blacktop Pack, and the Tech Pack and I love it. It has all the tech of the Alfa and the 2.0l Hurricane 4 Turbo engine is actually faster than the Hybrid. Dodge understated the performace stats on that engine and all the testers are proving it

[@Rosso488]

As an Alfa enthusiast I honestly like both of these but if I were to buy one of course it would be the Alfa Romeo.

[@masonvevo.]

Chrysler enthusiast*

[@normaluser5755]

@@masonvevo. It doesn't have anything to do with Chrysler. It was designed, developed and it's produced by Alfa Romeo in Italy by a former Alfa Romeo factory. The Hornet is its rebadged version.

[@RockandrollNegro]

Why would you pay $20k more for the exact same car? Is that badge that important? It's like people who pay $90k for a Lincoln Navigator because they think it's a different vehicle than a $40k Ford Explorer. Bruh, your Cadillac Escalade is a GMC Denali, yet you were dumb enough to pay double for the Cadillac wreath. That's nothing to be proud of.

[@JCVACCARO]

I hope Dodge is keeping its new vehicles a secret because I don't think a Hornet and a Charger EV are going to give them the same numbers as the current Challenger and Charger.

[@dylanmijer2890]

If you’re talking about sales then you’re wrong, the Dodge Journey sold very well, the Dodge Hornet is replacing it, the Dodge Journey replaced the Dodge Nitro, the next generation of the Dodge Challenger and Charger are going to have the hurricane six engine, they’ve said that thousands of times in interviews and in articles, I don’t understand why y’all think the Dodge hornet is replacing those two, they’re not even in the same class😂

[@SublimeScat269]

We purchased a Hornet gt over a tonale just due to the price difference. Alfa is definitely going to need a quadrifolgio version of the tonale to out dual the hornet rt and GLH when that comes out.

[@masonvevo.]

Enjoy driving the most unreliable car of 2023 🎉

[@davidturgeon2087]

@@masonvevo. What a rude response.

[@scottpreble3330]

My daughter bought the hornet gt. She loves it.

[@DanielEnochs]

She get the gt plus ?

[@markcoopers1930]

I've been waiting for this video. Had to assume the manufacturer put plenty of pressure on everyone not to.

[@gregspivey2776]

Are you comparing both cars with similar spec? Looks like you have a Premium spec Alfa vs a base spec Hornet?

[@johnhaynes6580]

One super important difference...service. Much more support from Dodge...

[@bigpopa1971]

Dude, why are you reviewing a fully equipped Alfa with a GT and not the GT Plus. The GT Plus has all the power features including the Sunroof. Your review makes it appear as though those options are not available in the Dodge. Not reviewing equal trim level cars and then not identifying the fact that all of the differences you indicated are available in your review makes this review very lame. This video gets the gas face because of that.

[@davidturgeon2087]

This is exactly why these faux car reviews are a complete waste of time. No professionalism = no value to the viewer.

[@ducktails1695]

I would love to lease a Hornet R/T Plus once it's available. I think it looks great. Some fail to realize not everyone wants an 800HP Dodge. There is a market for a normalized Dodge vehicle or two which they haven't been taking advantage of very well. I like the Dodge brand a lot but at the same time I want a practical vehicle and an 800HP vehicle isn't that. Many people say Dodge will not survive after the death of the HEMI engines, but I think it's the opposite. Dodge cannot survive on only HEMI vehicles.

[@RockandrollNegro]

Yet, when it comes to Dodge, the only vehicles they sell well are RWD V8 musclecars. Each time they come out with something like this, it sells OK for the first year, but once the reports of terrible build quality come through, people go back to what Dodge is relatively good at making, the Charger and Challenger. Dodge has forever been trying to come up with a fuel efficient car that can help offset the CAFE averages that the 300/Charger/Challenger spike, but nobody goes to Dodge for practical, fuel-efficient hatchbacks, because Dodge sucks at building them.

[@ducktails1695]

@@RockandrollNegro Actually the majority of Dodge sales are the V6 variants of the Charger, Challenger and Durango. It's not the V8 models that sell the most.

[@rlsedition]

This is badge engineering at its worst - two nearly identical products that vary widely in price. Note that once you get beyond the bespoke hoods and front fascias, all the exterior body panels are shared between the two cars (to Alfa's detriment). Most of the interior bits are shared as well. So it has to be this way, you say? Nope. Check out the VW Golf versus Audi A3, alike in platform and powertrains, but very different in exterior/interior appearance. That's how you do platform sharing properly.

[@davidturgeon2087]

Actually, this is badge engineering at its best. The Hornet gets the option of a 2L turbo ICE powertrain in the GT that the Tonale does not offer, so the powertrains are about as different as they can be.

[@rlsedition]

@@davidturgeon2087 A different engine (which will be offered b y the Hornet in due time) does not constitute a unique vehicle. Most buyers in this segment can't tell you what powertrain is under the hood, but they can see visual differences, and there are are very few between these two cars. Badge engineering at its worst.

[@Claudethechiefsfan]

This model comparison is strange, considering the Tonale’s actual comparison would be with the Hornet R/T and at the very least the GT Plus could’ve been used.

[@Claudethechiefsfan]

Not sure why you didn’t differentiate the interior quality options between the Hornet options either. The Alcantara requires the Track Pack and the GT Plus gets leather seats and the Harmon Kardon sound system too

[@MeaintheD]

I started liking the alfa romeo because of the new green it comes in and I noticed how similar it looks to the hornet.

[@michaeldemarco9950]

As for the differences you site on quality and drivetrain; you’re comparing two different technology/trim levels. The Dodge is a GT. The Tonale is equivalent to the RT.

[@ducktails1695]

Yes exactly...this wasn't even a GT Plus which is the more premium version of the GT.

[@bigpopa1971]

And for the life of me, why isn't he using a Hornet GT Plus for the review makes no sense. All of the features that he said we not included in the Hornet are included in the GT Plus. This review makes no sense

[@ducktails1695]

@@bigpopa1971 I guess maybe he couldn't get his hands on one so he just used what was there on the lot. The GT Plus doesn't seem to be widely available, at least where I am. There are 5 GT's on the lot for every 1 GT Plus here.

[@PaNativ]

No matter what trim of Hornet is available, it’s still going to always be a lazy re-badge of the OG Tonale.

[@michaeldemarco9950]

@@PaNativ, maybe; but that still leaves it as a good car.

[@gian_m]

If moeny wasn’t a factor, Alfa All the Way. If I’m going to take the risk with reliability I might as well get all the badge prestige I can get. Plus I’d buy the Alfa solely for that paint option, truly beautiful

[@davidturgeon2087]

Agreed, however the Hornet has the major advantage of a much larger dealer network. The slim, far between and less than accommodating dealer network has always been Alfa's Achilles' heel, and that has not changed.

[@GTO20122012]

Once you start adding packages to Dodge hornet it start to climb to luxury vehicles territory and for that it’s better to just get the Alfa Romeo

[@Malcolmt1992]

I will see, when I first saw the hornet I was excited to see a sleek and sporty upscale vehicle from the brand this is what they need to get the customers they once had many years ago. This is a plus!!! I do like Alfa Romeo’s better so I’d go Alfa but for the average drive the Hornet is a nice choice vs the Ford Escape

[@brunobandiera2062]

Two not-same, but similar cars. So for $ 20K more, you will of course get more upscale features, the classic grille, and that intangible 'prestige' image. Speaking from experience with both brands, servicing and maintenance will likely cost twice as much for the Alfa Romeo, simply because.... it's an Alfa !

[@steak5599]

problem is at $20k more, you are touching the price of other Luxury competitors. Sticker on the Hybrid is priced Similarly to a Lexus, Audi, or BMW. Now you are really running into competition. I drove both cars, I like it, but I didn't like it enough to pay 50k+.

[@brunobandiera2062]

I suspect that is the intent, Alfa Romeos are supposed to be luxury models with performance aspirations. I find it laughable, there are lots of these $$$$ high-end SUV's going around mostly urban environments, and they wouldn't EVER be driven off-road. Maybe to the ski chalet, but that's all...@@steak5599

[@jaydenwilliams1444]

To be honest I really like the front end of the hornet more because it has like more of a masculine aggressive look to it, but I would definitely choose the Tonale over it any day

[@rehabmax]

2 thumbs down for the Hornet. I would take the Tonale over it .

[@jonj77]

Not really comparing apples to apples. Gas engine vs PHEV is totally different w/ regards to pricing.

[@jndevelopment5986]

I like your channel, but wish you were not a shill for slip and fall attorneys. While insurance companies have deep pockets, it's our money from paying the insurance premiums. Many frivolous lawsuits only raise the costs for all of us.

[@kapulanikai1]

Same Cars Dodge is Faster, nine gears, faster and better acceleration. I own a Dodge Hornet GT with Trak PAC. She’s a Monster.

[@kapulanikai1]

I own a Hornet 🐝 with Trac PAC. 20 inch Michelin Sport Pilot tires , Koni shocks and Brembo brakes. 2.Litre Turbo DOHC nine gears, Fadt and nimble. You take the Alfa and you’ll lose to the Hornet in cost and performance.

[@Steve23-392]

They certainly are very close , I think when the Hornet R/T comes out that maybe the better vehicle combined with the price. Alfa Romeo is definitely a nicer luxury version of the two.

[@jzplayinggame]

If the Hornet is Stellantis' Civic Si, then the Tonale is the Acura Integra

[@alvin1039]

I like the Alfa, they were forced to share with Dodge. I think it will hurt them

[@jlsracing997]

The thing I like is there are fewer things to go wrong on the Hornet. All the electric this and that just adds complexity and weight. I also don't want a sunroof so it's the hornet for me.

[@bigpopa1971]

He didn't review equal trim levels. The GT Plus has all the same electronic features.

[@ELP1125]

I swear he always had at least ONE pimple 😂

[@robertcurtis3807]

Both made in Italy 🇮🇹. But I like the colors better with the Dodge, the front hood with functional vents, and the hornet, and red double line badges. I think Dodge has 20” tires and not the Alfa Romero.

[@tenantrep]

it’s not a fair comparison because you’re comparing the plug-in hybrid, Alfa Romeo to the non-plug-in hybrid dodge hornet. The plug-in hybrid hornet is about the same price as the plug-in hybrid Alfa Romeo.

[@SaintMecha]

Hyundai-Kia do this all the time, 90% of their cars are twins with the same chassis and mechanic but with different exteriors. Even Toyota and Lexus do the same nowdays.

[@Icehawks7]

Same with Chevy/GMC

[@Acles003]

Right but Hyundai/Kia aren't a $20k difference. It's insane that these 2 cars are so similar and the cost difference is that much.

[@Carfan678]

@@Acles003 Cause Hyundai and kia are both in the same price bracket but Lexus and Toyota aren't.

[@rlsedition]

Yes, but these two exteriors/interiors are hardly different, whereas Hyundai/KIA at least look different.

[@davidturgeon2087]

@@Acles003 Except these two cars have completely different powertrains. Duoh.

[@robertcurtis3807]

The $10,000-$20,000 price ranges between them are a huge exaggeration. They are too close in price when building them. The Alfa Romero has a better reputation, and resell value than Dodge

[@ChKashifRasheed]

Nice comparison

[@godofdun]

They're so new I'd rather let someone else be the Guinea pig. Then get the alfa used in a couple of years after that someone else has paid the depreciation.

[@robertcowie8230]

I’m going with a Honda crv 😀Stellantis pricing is nuts , way too expensive

[@lancelogan]

Only one of them is an alfa, that's the one to buy. However, the Tonale is not alfa enough for me to trade in my Giulia Q4.

[@MrBurnTheClutch]

So we are reviewing the high trim level of the tonale and the low trim of the hornet.. then say you prefer the hornet because of the lower price?? Wtf

[@bigpopa1971]

This one got me as well. The GT loaded is 44k and has all the options of the Alfa. It is 10k cheaper, but it's also all gas, which I prefer. But once you put a Hornet RT on the stage and if fully loaded. You're only 1 or 2 thousand dollars cheaper than the Alfa.

[@joebronxer1204]

Some of us really HATE the color gold. Why no green Hornet!??

[@jeffforbess6802]

Oh, I thought you said BAD engineering. My bad. All that matters is the lease price. I’d never buy either.

[@davidturgeon2087]

Then don't.

[@hotdog9262]

combing a small turbo with electrical motors is pretty dumb idea, atleast for the north american market

[@ducktails1695]

Why do you say this? This isn't the first time it's being done. Jeep already does this and it's been fine.

[@JCVACCARO]

So does this mean the Hornet R/T is going to be in the 50's?

[@BenHardyCars]

High 40s I think

[@ducktails1695]

Depends on the options...you can fully max it out at around $52,000 for an R/T Plus (an upgrade from the regular R/T trim) along with all 3 optional packages on it. Yes expensive, but all vehicles are way more expensive nowadays.

[@bigpopa1971]

It starts in the 40's but you could end up with 52k+ vehicle once you add the Plus trim levels and packages. The Hornet GT and the RT both have a Plus trim level.that adds all the electronic features of the higher trim level Alfa's.

[@ducktails1695]

@@bigpopa1971 To be fair though I doubt most R/T configs (or even GT configs for that matter) will be fully maxed out either. Yes you will see some but I doubt it'll be what most dealers order to put on their lots. So to me it makes no sense for people to get all bent out of shape over the price of a Hornet because that's not what you'll see on lots for the most part. I'm just making a general statement...wasn't saying you were getting bent out of shape.

[@bigpopa1971]

@ducktails1695 I got my Hornet from a loyal in Northern VA. And it's loaded. They also had two other loaded on Hornets on the lot. They'll was also one GT and 2 additional GT Plus models that had the Blacktop and Tech packs. I've seen a lot of loaded versions in my groups and the sweet spot for most is the Plus trim levels with the Blacktop and Tech packs, which is pretty far up the ladder. Total on either of those with that configuration is 41k for the GT and 51k for the RT

[@tamiymyisrael8548]

I would be more likely to purchase the hornet....20k is a lot of money for basically the same car.... electric assist is not necessary

[@mixedbyfiatcat]

it's not the same. you have to compare the Hornet R/T against the Alfa version.

[@kashifsajjad-u7p]

Excellent ❤❤

[@Gwolf888]

Dodge is back to crappy cars again 1980-2003 , history is repeating itself again RIP Dodge 1911-2025.

[@Audikeeef]

They really robbing people by selling the same car 😂

[@hooptietime4427]

Brands are essentially just trim levels anymore.

[@davidturgeon2087]

The option of completely different powertrains is more than just a trim level difference.

[@shawnharris7747]

39k n manual seats wats wrong with these car companies

[@jeffforbess6802]

The more manual stuff on a fiat, the better. Make the windows and everything else, including the window wipers, manual

[@BenHardyCars]

Lol

[@imdone1967]

​@@jeffforbess6802it would still break...

[@SwiffyDK]

@@imdone1967It wouldn’t though if you wouldn’t be a pessimist.

[@diegodiegito7248]

Alfa Romeo Tonale 🍀

[@TSL73]

Alfa shouldn’t be 20k more. At the most it should be 8k more. It’s simply not different enough to justify that increase in price because there are so many better cars for the money the Alfa costs.

[@davidturgeon2087]

Yes, but this review is misleading; it's comparing an ICE powered Hornet to a PHEV Tonale, so apples to oranges and the price difference reflects that. The reviewer should have compared the Tonale to a Hornet R/T, not a Hornet GT.

[@alfaromeo5452]

Ma spendete i vostri dollari! Barboni.... Noi europei stiamo pagando una vostra guerra.... usa-Russia!!

[@robertcurtis3807]

Not matter the car except Formula 1, there is no sense in tip tonic, paddle shifters especially plastic, sport mode etc. They are faked, and does nothing.

[@laslothe1]

Both vehicle , embarrassing quality, just a throw away vehicles

[@cgmiddle]

Trash. Both. And they will not sell. Other than that good video, but slow down when you talk.

[@muhammadnawaz5411]

❤😂🎉🎉😂❤😅😊😅😊😊 Extremely nice presentation

[@MirzaZahid-q4x]

Amazing good car ❤❤❤❤

[@hellogoodbye9345]

Suckers buy the alpha. A premium rebrand version of a cheap compact suv like a hornet is not worth this type of pricing. Come on people.

[@normaluser5755]

But the Tonale has been made first. The Hornet is the clone.

[@MrBurnTheClutch]

Let’s not forget he’s reviewing the high trim Tonale and the low trim hornet hence The huge price difference.

[@mixedbyfiatcat]

Ben should had compare the Hornet R/T against the Tonale to be fair. Not with a GT.

[@kaym7704]

The wheels on that alfa are so UGLY.