2024 Honda CB650R E Clutch - First Ride Review

[@onecookieboy]

I have a friend who had Polio as a child and he lost the use of his left hand, he rigged up his Guzzi to have the brake and clutch both on the right side, if this had been around 20 years ago I'm sure he would have been first in line for one. Well done Honda, making motorcycles more accessible for more people.

[@chrishart8548]

Honda did have the cb400A in the 1970's they were always trying to offer automatic bikes when none of the others bothered

[@michaelmclarney1994]

It's a system that may benefit me in a few years if the arthritis spreads throughout my fingers. Great work Honda!

[@RyGuyTheAVGuy]

Polio has been cured for 100 years now, what are you talking about?

[@jb_buri]

@@RyGuyTheAVGuy rubbish.....

[@onecookieboy]

@@RyGuyTheAVGuy This is New Zealand and my friend is now in his late 70's, so perhaps not as 'cured 100 years ago' as you think.

[@garryclarke-kray4071]

The e clutch has got to be a bonus for around town riding not having to worry about using the clutch in traffic must be a plus

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

True!

[@stevecade857]

As town riding and stop\start filtering is the biggest bonus for having the E-clutch I'm surprised it wasn't put through its paces more in that regard.

[@znoozaros]

That's exactly it. I do mostly around town riding so I was pondering between honda adv 350 and a svartpilen 401. Bought the svartpilen because I got it for a really good price. If I wanted a bigger bike I'd definitely go with a CB(R) with an e-clutch

[@ImLeuff]

That's interesting. It's not something that appeals to me personally but we have to give Honda props for innovating and giving riders options.

[@233kosta]

Look at it this way, if you want a factory up & down wuickshifter, AND the crisp, direct cable throttle of this particular bike, this is probably the best compromise. Besides, you're not required to use it. If you feel the need to take over at any moment, you only need pull the lever.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

... entire point of riding a bike dispears if u have automatic lol ;S pff soon they want 0dB bikes lol...

[@233kosta]

@@Microphunktv-jb3kj I like to have the option. I very strongly dislike people who take away options. Mine or other people's.

[@girinz]

@@Microphunktv-jb3kj its not automatic, u still have to change gears. u can just choose now whether or not u wanna pull the clutch nor nah. best of both worlds imo

[@myleslovegrove7856]

As a man in my mid 50's, I'm guilty of "Oh, it's not like it used to be" comments, harking after a past when things were better. But your def right that we are in a golden age of choice with motorcycles, new and old manufacturers pushing eachother for new innovation. This type of gearbox will be an option on all bike before long I reckon. Another great review!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you, and I think you’re right, given how cheap they are. I suspect manufacturers would rather supply them on all bikes for ease of manufacturing operations.

[@Bud_51]

I'm 72 and in the good old days bikes were junk compared to today's.

[@CC-xu2yz]

@@Bud_51 They sure were.

[@birchwoodbiker]

@@Bud_51 Best comment I've read, I'm 60 this year and been on bikes since I was 8, and the old bikes unreliable even the early disk brakes were crap, I had rd200 400 RDLC250 350, everyone goes on how great they were, you couldn't stop the way you can on cheaper Chiniese bikes today, still loved them but much prefer new bikes from 2001 onwords👍👍👍

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

@@Bud_51 I'd agree up to about 1972, the Honda cb750 was far from a piece of junk. The Japanese changed the game. I dont really know much about the American bikes of that era.

[@stevietrucker4631]

E Clutch is a brilliant idea, well done Honda i can't wait to try it out 1 day.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I think we are going to be seeing a lot more of it Stevie - it seems a great system to me!

[@Sharpey76.]

Good idea, you can disable it and go for a old school weekend blast or on a long trip switch it on and not have to worry about the clutch or make life a bit easier stuck in town traffic. For a 100 quid its a no brainer

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Exactly…

[@CharloBagis]

The question is, should you drop the bike, how much does a replacement cost?

[@tkraft1442]

​@@CharloBagis u shouldn't buy things if u worry about crashing doesn't matter what u destroy on your bikes or car. :p

[@siraff4461]

@@CharloBagis Well looking at the system its a couple of actuators and a few gears so unless there is magic involved I doubt it would cost any more than the hole in your case on the standard one would. If it goes far enough to damage the system it would have done the clutch basket on the stock one and depending how hard it hits that could damage the centre cases. If anything in a light drop its likely to cost the same, a medium drop probably more and a heavy drop probably less. Either way if you drop the bike hard enough to do damage to that system you're going to be looking at a much higher cost for all the other damaged parts on the rest of the bike.

[@kamlallikl]

It’s not a £100 difference. Dealers are selling the manuals closer to £7k

[@monawoka97]

This seem SO nice in traffic. Stop and go traffic absolutely kills my clutch hand. I also feel super unsafe sitting at red lights in neutral. I LOVE the idea of always being in first ready to go at any moment without having to deal with the clutch. But I like that you still get to shift using your left foot unlike the fully automatic DCT. Seems like the best of both worlds to me!

[@drsous6400]

I was wrong..and Im sorry, I previously gave you a bad review and rubbished your reviews as being the opinions of a rich guy...I stand corrected..I have since gone back and watched all your vids..And you are without doubt the most un bias reviewer on youtube..I have re subbed..thanks Mr Flyer..please keep up the good work xxx

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I’m thrilled to hear that, welcome back!

[@jaffamaddin]

I really like that CB650R, reminds me of the 600 bandit I used to own, which is still my favourite. For me there is definitely something about a midweight 4 cylinder engine...I preferred it to the 1200 bandit owned later. Now being the owner of DCT honda I was very keen to see your reveiw of the E clutch and it looks a real winner! If I gave up touring or could afford another bike for scratching about...I think this would be top of my list! Cheers Andy....keep doing what your doing 😊

[@bikegeist]

.....This....This never happens....especially not on the internet. Unprecedented. Someone admitted they were wrong and leaped to an incorrect conclusion and apologized. 😮😮🤯

[@johnalbone3372]

BMW have announced a similar system but without the lever again with 2 motors to actuate the clutch/ gearchange I really like the idea of no clutch lever which should help those with arthritis etc or like me the lazy The bike itself is rather nice and as you say good value and why wouldn't you have the e clutch

[@adamsimper6364]

Wait…..?? TMF isn’t rich? 😂

[@roberthocking9138]

This system has been around for 70 odd years. Our neighbour in AUS had a 1956 Austin A55, which had a tiptronic clutch. It had a micro switch built into the gear stick knob (column shift) and that operated the clutch so you could just move the stick to the next gear. Good to see bikes catching up 😁

[@lasskinn474]

well there's a bit more to it when it engages clutch at stop to keep the engine from stalling.

[@lizevans5800]

Test rode and bought one today! I’ve been having issues with arthritis/pain in the left wrist with my normal ride and the CB650R is so easy. What a fun little bike! Thank you for your informative review.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Congratulations!

[@pmstirling]

Initially I thought the eclutch was a solution in search of a problem, but after hearing your thoughts on it I now think, hmm, actually it could be quite nice! Especially at that price. Great for commuting in traffic. Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you and will do…

[@motetotee]

I’m 30 and looking to buy my first bike this year. I passed the MSF course (American beginner rider course) last year and was set to buy the 2023 CB650R a few months later but broke my left wrist which put it on hold. The E-clutch looks awesome to me and I’m very excited to try it out! Just found the channel and really appreciate the perspective you bring

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Welcome along!

[@Dan_B_Rides]

The CB650R has always been my dream bike ever since I first saw it. It’s just got even better with the new styling and that e clutch which is amazing technology. In my mind that is the best middle weight bike out there for sure. Only because I love a inline 4 😂 It’s just a shame that il never be able to afford one as I am a single parent so bills take all my savings! I can dream. Great video Andy.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, it is a lovely bike Dan - thanks for watching.

[@alanbarnes2920]

That’s a shame Dan..is a PCP package not possible for you? Fully understand buying outright isn’t achievable.

[@Dan_B_Rides]

@@alanbarnes2920 unfortunately not as the money I have left from paying bills equates to £200 a month and that’s got to cover fuel for the car and food costs. Typical as I saved up enough cash to buy one then my wife wanted a divorce so all my savings just went on furnishing and renting a house. Life just has a way of kicking you in the bollocks sometimes. The funny thing is I am on a decent wage but living alone with a child just cropped people financially. Shit happens I guess.

[@ghettoboi27]

@@Dan_B_Rides you'll turn this around don't worry. Life has a way of working out in time.

[@Dan_B_Rides]

@@ghettoboi27 unfortunately life isn’t that kind nowadays. You either have money or not. And I do not. Is what it is. I just have to accept it.

[@zrx4me1]

Outstanding review Missenden, as a fellow street rider (40 years), I appreciate your opinions. Cheers from the USA.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you kindly!

[@simonbowen6653]

Looks like the future to me. Interesting that Honda chose this bike to launch it on but i think they'll roll it out across the range.

[@FalosPT]

Just started driving school... then I will order this piece of art

[@atwntennisclub]

Wish all bikes had a e-clutch 😁 Really does seem like the modern manual box, perfected

[@dougmaverick3287]

I must say I personally don't give a crap if you're rich or poor 😜, all I know is that this is probably one of the best reviews of the Honda cb650r I've seen. I'm very glad to hear that the bike fits you perfectly, because I'm almost the exact same size and weight is you, I'm 163 lbs and 5 ft 7 1/2. It sounds like you're very impressed with the e-clutch system so would you say it's worth waiting for rather than buying a used bike? Unfortunately here in Canada we did not get the 2024 models yet the dealer said they're going to be coming in at the end of the summer or around November and be a 2025 model.

[@xfactor5876]

Andy, thanks for another brilliant review. The rest of us average Joe's watch your videos with great interest.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks 👍

[@matthewfall-eq8be]

I've just ordered a cbr650r e clutch after taking a demo bike out for an hour, what a fantastic system, you have to force yourself not to operate the lever at first but once you get used to it it's fantastic, smoother on the upshift than the standard Honda quick shifter (my previous bike was a 2023 cb650r) and the down shifts are slick too but with no rev matching which is a bit strange. The slow speed stuff is easy street but you do often think about going for the clutch lever which of course you can if you want. All together a great system which makes a great bike even better.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Couldn't agree more!

[@darrengibbons7588]

Good old fashioned down to earth review well Done . Thanks Mr.Honda for letting the bike out to a real world reviewer before the so called professional,s get there hands on it and rubbish the hell out of it .Not saying you’re not a professional however I think you know what I mean and Keep doing what you’re doing Andy as it works . Nice to see a bike that isn’t,t a twin and has that lovely 4 cylinder engine note . Looks to be a great bike and at a reasonable price for a change .

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks!

[@charliestuart3657]

My pausing skills are impressive. Thank you for your videos, I have been watching them for years.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Congratulations!

[@Pops-007]

As a noob, my clutch control has needed improvement on a couple of occasions. The eclutch would defo help new riders 👏🏽

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

True, although of course there is an argument to say it prevents new riders from building their skill set, and I’m not sure what I think about that.

[@jackmcdermott7383]

@@TheMissendenFlyerI was going to say this! I’m currently in the process of doing my full licence on a 23 plate CB650R and I very much doubt the training school will be getting e-clutch bikes next year. You should learn to do it properly before having it done for you. Saying that gives me flashbacks of trying to learn multiplication tables at school when it’s so much easier to use a calculator 😂

[@Bob-ts2tu]

i agree it would, as IMHO building confidence is quite high up the list for newbies, however, i think you still need to learn the proper 'old school' way, as you may need to change bikes, and maybe there will be test & licence implications in future, coz as they improve may be classed as automatics, who knows the way government legislation on bikes has gone, apart from that using the clutch becomes 2nd nature anyway, and IMHO gives you that feeling of more control. GL

[@martynlaverick3405]

I think this e clutch is a great idea and got to give a thumbs up to Honda for the innovation. If this helps more people ride or keeps people riding longer then it’s a great bonus.

[@joh80]

Yeah we got to try the CBR with the E Clutch and it was neat. For someone mainly driving in quite heavy trafic with lots of stop and go it would be good. Nice review.

[@MerlinMoorlo]

Bike is not for going through traffic. It's not a transport. It's fun machine. E clutch is crap.

[@joh80]

@@MerlinMoorlo Where I live, I have to. ANd no, it was fun for me.

[@peterchambers7100]

E-clutch looks like an absolute winner for me! That CB looks super in the red too. Keep up the good work TMF! Your reviews are honest and to the point 👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks, will do!

[@JezNashMusic]

Another cracking review! Super useful practical real-world info on the bike itself and the great new tech. I should imagine this will be a popular bike.

[@Plumstix]

I picked up my CBR650R 3 weeks ago and after around 350 miles I've already got used to not using the clutch lever. For slow speed manoeuvres it is handy having a clutch lever so you don't accidentally grab a handful of throttle but the clutch lever bites very far out and this is apparently because of the E-clutch system. That is the only negative thing I have to say about the system. You can turn it off in the menu but it defaults to on every time you start the bike so you'd have to turn it off each time if you don't want it.

[@orlandoberry4031]

Every time I watch one of your ride reviews, I find myself ruminating upon the possibilities of that bike in my garage. I just wish all bikes had cruse control.

[@CC-xu2yz]

I agree.

[@markfranks1329]

Interesting, as always, Andy. I guess the only way to fully appreciate this new system is to actually ride these bikes for oneself. I have heard that Honda won't be offering bikes solely with a conventional set up anymore and all new stock will only have this E-Clutch. Not a problem if it's possible to use both on the fly as you've demonstrated. This is extremely clever. Honda have always had an affinity with gearbox innovation on their bikes. From the centrifugal system on their Cubs to the CB400AT of the late 70s. Now with the DCT set up on some of their current models, it implies such transmissions will be part of their philosophy for the foreseeable future. As you say, this is a golden period for motorcycles.

[@AlanRambler]

I say, keep motorcycles gimmick free, simple and fun to ride, just more to go wrong with no doubt higher service costs.

[@johnnybravo7733]

Agreed. I’m fine with fuel injection and ABS brakes. No need to go all crazy

[@_Makanko_]

@@johnnybravo7733 and a fuel gauge 😁

[@233kosta]

This, to me, is what good automation looks like. Completely seamless & invisible in operation, but also entirely intuitive to override. Plus it has basically no drawbacks. Unlike your typical up & down QS, which _has_ to be implemented using ride by wire. This bike still gives you pure riding. That must be preserved.

[@everythinggaming7938]

Thats why we love missenden flyer he is a average joe. Which means most people can relate to him and share his views when it comes to what they want from a motorbike. But not only that he has solid knowledge, he is not boring, he loves bikes, he is passionate and he knows how to make a good video. Many people for example love Jeremy clarkson not because he is micheal Schumacher but because he is entertaining

[@NickyLong89]

Lovely little bike, hard to complain about any of it really. Good price, looks good, good tech. People will always moan about change but this seems a real trick piece of kit and very convenient. Great that they’re offering it for about £100 aswell, really tempting for buyers. Well done Honda and cheers for the review TMF 👍

[@michaelcase8574]

Honda had auto transmission as early as the 70s. I remember a 350 and 500 version or maybe a 250.?

[@PhilC184]

400, I think, on the SuperDream. But it was their odd 2 speed system.

[@taebert]

I have both motorcycles and scooters in my garage. The thing I really like about the scooters is that I don’t need to think about gear selection. I know for new riders the operation of a clutch may be a barrier to entry. For me however, the clutch is just muscle memory at this point. I am sure this will make motorcycling more accessible to some folks, and that is plus even if it isn’t for me.

[@jameschapman8828]

I find that the e-clutch mechanism is a not a piece of industrial design I find attractive. It looks bulky and clunky. It is certainly function over form for me! Engine aesthetics are part of the attraction of motorcycles for many I feel!

[@petefletcher]

I agree, ugly bolt on box to my eyes.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I didn’t find it too bad, but I take your point, thanks for watching.

[@johnnybgood7812]

As someone who regularly rides a “normal” transmission bike and a Honda Supercub C110 with its peculiar centrifugal clutch system I can honestly say swapping between the two becomes second nature very quickly.

[@ru54623]

BMW are bringing auto clutch to the R1300GS...

[@tkraft1442]

Buy a full black and custom mirrors and maybe something on the rims it will look badass and u won't notice that box so much ;)

[@mslattery8710]

Beautifull swept downpipes, highly reminiscent of the CB400F of the 70's. That particular styling innovation made that pocket rocket such an attractive bike and was the first of it's kind from Honda. Paired back yet flamboyant.

[@808islandlife_HI]

It makes it look like that side of the bike has a growth.

[@santinoshariffe2720]

same thoughts first time i saw it...will be buying the 2023 model aside from the fact its more expensive than the older versions

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, it’s a little chunky, but it wouldn’t put me off the system, it’s not that conspicuous.

[@808islandlife_HI]

@@TheMissendenFlyer even beyond the looks, i just don't see the point. It's a needless complication to me.

[@NickyLong89]

@@808islandlife_HIhow is it complicated? If anything it is anything but complicated.

[@808islandlife_HI]

@@NickyLong89 Read my comment again. I never said it was complicated. I said it was a “needless complication”. in other words, they added extra parts and electronics for what seems to be little gain. Plus, if something goes wrong with said extra parts and electronics - a common occurrence with first gen tech - there’s added expense and inconvenience .

[@Alex-if3sr]

It's a great idea. But that box is absolutely massive. Most people say its smallish but when you did a walk around you can see just how much it protrudes

[@pensforgts]

This bike needs round speedometer

[@markgr1nyer]

BMW are reportedly developing an auto clutch for the R1300GS. Basically a quickshifter that automatically changes gear for you, and stops it from stalling, so like the DCT without the second clutch, just the quickshifter to hide the gear changes as much as possible

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, so ive heard!

[@davea9946]

I wonder how many times that will be recalled?

[@markgr1nyer]

@davea9946 I'd rather it get recalled and fixed than they argue it saying there isn't an issue like some manufacturers do.

[@M4LLYB]

Picked mine up 2 days ago, got the black one. Lovely bike for the daily commute across London.

[@FalosPT]

same here ;) In 10 days we will be together for one month :D I did try to turn off e-clutch last weekend and I have to say.... I don't want to drive ever again without e-clutch

[@dalailama1405]

I live in thailand and just bought myself one of these bikes ...i love it

[@robertolesen2349]

Had the chance to test ride this Honda and wow the e-clutch is a smooth experience during acceleration. Dash is sweet, only thing missing would be cruise control. Some design changes are not really my cuppa tea, the old rear light and air intakes looked better. I will be considering this model after the next few facelifts.

[@superstreetfighter14]

Game changing tech upgrade.

[@brendanmchugh6440]

Watching since tiger 1050 days, gets the odd detail 😮opps , but then he’s not just giving us the press release details, a honest guy that just loves all things motorcycles and touring, stay safe mr & mrs flyer , thanks for years of entertainment 🍀

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

My pleasure - thanks for watching!

[@billcotton1551]

Thanks for doing this review, TMF . I have actually never heard of the E Clutch option.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No problem 👍

[@steveparish9210]

Thanks for the review this bike one of my favorites, thought the e-clutch was a gimmick but after yr review I think its a pretty neat idea!

[@davidnunnerley9084]

How good is that! E clutch, wonderful. Lovely bike.

[@stevetaylor8698]

The very humble, Jawa 350 (two-stroke) has had a set up like this for decades. You need only use the clutch for engaging and setting off in first gear and after that just use the auto . As with the Honda, you can elect to use the manual clutch lever if you wish. Unlike the Honda, you couldn't come to a stop in gear. But for all the riding in between it worked really well on the machine I had.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well it’s not quite the same then Steve because with the Honda you don’t need to use the clutch for setting off in first gear even, it’s very clever!

[@aunoates6617]

Yes. The Czech bikes had a rod with a little wheel in a curved channel. When the gear lever was moved it pushed the rod to open the clutch so only useful for changing gear. On most of them you could also kick the gear lever to start the engine!

[@stevetaylor8698]

@@TheMissendenFlyer You could use the Jawa setup to engage 1st gear but it wasn't easy to do, and more often than not it would stall when you tried to move off.

[@stevetaylor8698]

@@aunoates6617 yes, mine had the same kickstart arrangement too, though it also came with electric start which was rather more convenient, but it was a very elegant and dependable set up.

[@lasskinn474]

this as far as I understand is just a bolted on actuator on the clutch-system, basically, rather than mechanical gadgeting. surprised they didn't call it AI-cluth as is the fashion with microcontroller controlled things nowadays.

[@lynsmith1096]

Good review TMF and nice to see new innovations coming out on bikes.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Agreed!

[@peteeldridge1783]

Great review of the CB650….and the exhaust system is fabulous. Clearly harks back to the CB400/4 from my teens and I still want one. Anyway, the e-clutch looks a great innovation again by Honda! Whether I would use it, I don’t know….as you say, trying to retrain your brain to cope is tricky and if you ride different bikes confusing? However, if you’re looking at bikes in this segment and go for the Honda it must be worth opting for e-clutch at £100…..especially now, as I can’t see them staying at that price! Incredibly, Honda are producing mid-range bikes which are competitive and still come with typical Honda build quality.

[@robertdobbelaer8503]

Thanks for the review. Glad Honda still makes a 4 Cylinder Inline engine in the middle weight class. I saw the bike today at the dealer, one negative though, the E-Clutch makes the engine quite wide at the right side. Without protection you will surely damage the E-Clutch when you drop the bike to the right (as opposite to left 🙂) side.

[@CC-xu2yz]

I could tell that from this video. Might be a deal breaker.

[@FB69FB]

i have this bike with e clutch... it is sooo good to drive and make life easy

[@philg7889]

Definite step in the right direction for safer, more relaxed riding. Anyone more interested in hooning-around... not so much. I'd be extremely happy to see that on my next bike.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Actually I think it works a treat for hooning around too!

[@LookingForEntertainment112]

After commuting by motorbike for 20-somw years, the best commuters I've had were a NC700x DCT and a Vespa. The automatic gearbox shines for commuting. My current MT09's up/down quickshifter comes a close third for ease of commute. I wish more bike makers would offer these.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I suspect we’re going to see more of these now, thanks for watching and stopping by.

[@Pops-007]

Great review Andy, I like watching your videos around my neck of the woods 👍🏼

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you like them!

[@GaryFÓBrien]

Had NC750X with DCT, 2017.. loved it.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, I love DCT, in certain applications like touring for example, it’s really cool.

[@Klooney9mm]

I'm excited for these on the lower cc bikes. I'd eat up a 300cc with one of these in an instant. Makes it easy for slow speeds and city day to day travel. With the exception on EV application this is the best ease of use tech I've seen.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

You and me both!

[@MilanGP]

I was thinking that too. Although I can't ride, the CB300 R with an e-clutch would be a sell out 😂

[@LambChopRides]

Its it just like a quickshifter / blipper though? I dont quite understand

[@LambChopRides]

Ah OK you can stop without using the clutch too, got it 👍

[@tkraft1442]

And u can start driving on first gear without using the clutch, it's like a helper to get u move. Probably very chill in the city where there's alot of stop and go.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Got there in the end ol’ fella 😘

[@svendeclercq5160]

Last week i was lucky to test the 2024 model also. Down 6k the motor is supersmooth but between 6k and 8k a lot of buzz in the footpegs and seat. Back on my 2008 honda cb600f hornet is at that range lot smoother. Rrst of the bike was wonderfull.

[@seaninness334]

I guess I'm showing my age in being circumspect about quickshifters and the hoopla (at least it seems like hoopla) surrounding them. I still like the idea of staying with the manual controls but this seems like a better system at a lower price, so, why not. Thanks for the introduction, Andy.

[@Peter-hf3ip]

In 1960 I was 15 and fitted 2 new rear shocks to my Dads '54 T110. No garage, in the street, using tools bought from army surplus store...

[@Angus.MacGyver]

How fast is the gear shifting and how smooth is it, especially if downshifting more than 1 gear in succession? There is no autoblip when downshifting, correct?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It’s fast.

[@oliverleifadams2003]

Well done Honda. A cheaper better QS. Thanks for another informative vid Andy. 👍🏼

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No problem 👍

[@Tenfx72]

This looks great, i use a quick shift, but this looks smoother and less likely to miss a gear. I can see other manufacturers going this way.

[@Bud_51]

I have always liked the looks of this bike and the E-clutch is a great innovation... Great review....

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks! 👍

[@JDelta87]

It seems like a good option to have for the price and type of bike it's on. I'm not the target audience for this technology, but I can appreciate its existence for those who need/want it.

[@Stoo48]

Saab back in the 1990's had the Sensonic system available on the 900. Slightly different to the Honda system in that it didn't have a clutch pedal. I loved mine, you just eased off the throttle and selected the gear you wanted. Was a little tricky finding the bite revs when parking.

[@JoseLgamer05]

I love how saab was waay ahead on this one. They had the sensonic gearboxes in cars in the 90's, the concept was similar, but you didn't have a clutch pedal. But I am glad that didn't sell because it didn't work right, needed a little more time in the oven, maybe due to a lack of enough computing power as well, and in that department we are in a much MUCH better place now.

[@stantollerton3551]

Thanks for the review. My only concern would be the risk of damaging the eclutch if you drop the bike! For me a protective crash bar of some sort would be needed.... other than that the lack of symmetry would make the bike hard to love. I notice very few images of the bike's nearside...

[@robsharp7913]

Great review as always. Looks like a cracking little bike, love the fact that it’s not over complicated with rider modes, suspension settings, etc. an absolute bargain I’d say!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Couldn't agree more!

[@campbellross6375]

Hopefully they will fit it on the CB1000R and hornet

[@palantir135]

Hi Andy, I think it’s a great system. I don’t like using the clutch a lot at some days because my hand is hurting after a while. When you get older you usually develop arthritis and that makes things more difficult.

[@cartwrightUKNW]

Thank-you for another great review and appreciated you didn’t imagine up negatives when there’s no need! I don’t see a problem with a gushing review when’s it’s legit and I always value your reviews! How about that, a gushing comment of your reviews.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you!

[@MarcoBax-x5f]

You did not mentioned if the e-clouch finds automatically the neutral when you come at full stop or if you need to trigg the lever and find it with your foot....also when you move from full stop how dose the e-c works? I guess as the old style gear right?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It doesn’t find neutral itself - you have to do that, it’s just an auto clutch not an auto gearbox.

[@233kosta]

I like the idea of the e-clutch. Retains the cable throttle, but you still get the up & down quickshifter. Best of both worlds imho. What I'm not particularly fond of is the new display. There was no need for that.

[@Geshmaal]

I'm sure someone else has said it but Honda had the "Hondamatic" system on CB400 twins and CB750s back in the late 70s, they used a torque converter and a two-speed transmission! I think they were pretty sluggish and inefficient but it shows Honda has been trying this in different ways for a long time.

[@marksimpson5218]

Yes I think it was on the 400 super dream a poor seller at the time.

[@jimcfds]

Definitely like the look of this bike and the new E-Clutch system. Like you, it would be a no brainer for me to spend the extra 100 quid for the E-Clutch. One of the big positives from my side is not having to pull the clutch in at a stop. When I’m stopped, I always shift into neutral, but the big advantage will be stop/start in a traffic queue and not having to worry about the clutch and shifting 1-N-1-N etc. Personally, I’m not too keen on the small TFT and would prefer to see two gauges with a small TFT for navigation guidance. I love Honda four cylinder engines and I think they are bulletproof. Similar to your comment, I’d like to see E-Clutch on all manual shift bikes and the rider can choose manual or E-Clutch operation. Congratulations on the successful shoulder operation and hope it continues to get better. Cheers.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Jim!

[@thepictontwowheels7195]

Very interesting piece Andy. May be great for newer riders too. Hope your shoulder is still progressing well.

[@veeken777]

Another cool review Andy. I have a 31 inch leg and am 6f1i tall? Maybe we could swap some body bits and get a match.

[@CaptainFeathersword]

I picked up a 2023 Honda CM650 (no e-clutch, LED display) for CAD $9,591....less than 5600 pounds!...I saw nothing else that was even close to that value in its competitors....and I get an inline-4!

[@cliveomahoney4096]

My 2019 650 was 202 kilos. It must be tge emissions curse in action. Incidentally, the bike is faster to 60 than any of the other bikes in its budget class. Tge docile nature at low revs make it perfect in town. I prefer it to my new, ride by wire, Hornet. With the e clutch, it's a no brainer, imo. Safe riding.

[@ZeroXSEED]

E-cluch is basically the continuation to Honda's pursuit for approachable motorcycles. From the cheap centrifugal semi-auto clutch of the cub series, to the expensive and advanced DCT of the 750 and 1100 series, and now the 650cc e-clutch. I have no doubt that Honda will try to cram more semi-automatic system in smaller engines (150cc-500cc) in the near future, once they can make it economical.

[@peterwilson8039]

If your memory was as long as mine, you'd remember that Honda had a couple of models with two-speed automatics back in the '70's. One was an adaption of their ubiquitous CB750, and the other was a CB400 twin. Of course with only two speeds, performance was not their forte.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I bet Peter! Thanks for that.

[@edelinpetrov1479]

Looks like downshifting with the e-clutch is a little abrupt. Obviously it's not auto blipping when the throttle is not open. Have you noticed it downshifting smoother with the throttle open or it cuts the power completely?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

tbh I think I only downshifted with the throttle closed....

[@scottmitchell6371]

MV Agusta have a similar system on some of there bikes, but you can't see it stuck on the engine like that. It didn't seem to catch on for them, and they have been doing I for a number of years now.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I wasn’t aware of that, Scott!

[@motomc6962]

Just picked myself a new cbr650r up a couple of months ago, opted for the regular version with an up quickshifter, thought the E clutch was too automatic for me but it definitely has a place in the market

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I’m thinking that was a bad decision! You can use this exactly like a quick shifter but it has downshifts too and costs way less!

[@motomc6962]

@@TheMissendenFlyer quite possibly but I love downshifting with the clutch and Rev matching myself haha never get tired of it. Will be taking the bike from the north east on a very similar route you did on your Arctic circle tour so will see if I wish I’d went for the E clutch by the time I get back 🤣

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Have a great trip!

[@Bradrobbo89]

I'm really struggling to choose this or the GSX-8S, im absolutely love the look of the CB650R and the I4 engine, im not keen on the hornet looks along with that 160 rear tyre. just can't decide

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good problem to have - both great bikes!

[@Bradrobbo89]

Given the choice, what would you choose?

[@kevinwestwood6668]

For all the people who have stalled at traffic lights,or in traffic, this is great 🏍️🏍️,i think MV Augusta, did something similar, with a reckluse clutch.

[@JEmmertz]

Good one, Andy! I do like the E-clutch concept, generally, and it doesn't seem to add much weight. It does, however, look a bit bulbous. I prefer the DCT concept even if it adds more weight, and I do believe that the two concepts will marry a bit over time and get more slender and useful for all and everyone. Also: I do not agree with everything that you say or show, and I will tell (and have done so), but I like what you do, and I can separate what you say and do from who you are, and if I have any objections at least I do so with my own account and won't hide behind a "no-name account".

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I appreciate that.

[@gmer16402]

BMW just came out with their own automatic transmission, Honda leading the way as is often the case … I’m a 2019 CB650R owner … already a great bike ….this looks like a very interesting upgrade

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Wish Honda would bring the 650 back to America.

[@chrisnielsen9885]

I’ve ridden a bike fitted with a Rekluse clutch which sounds a bit like this but it was a purely mechanical system. You can sit in gear at the lights with left hand off the bar and just gun it and off you go but had to still change gears

[@mayonnaise0077]

I dont think its worth if your still young, I mean the feeling of using the clutch is one of the best feeling in riding, but if your old and your fingers are aching when using the clutch, I think thats 100% worth

[@TimHayton]

I like the idea of having either clutch option. With old man hands there are days I have limited use and this would give me a couple more years of riding.

[@siraff4461]

Not something I'm personally interested in but its nice to see Honda bringing things like this out. If you do a lot of town riding or have limited strength in your left hand but still want to have use of a clutch this is brilliant. I prefer this over a full auto because you have the option of either.

[@betoney1]

Dont forget that DCT "can be" full auto but also has a manual mode as well, this being shifted by foot and DCT shifted by finger and thumb.

[@siraff4461]

@@betoney1 Yes but dct is always an electronic shift. This is a real manual with all the feel and feedback that gives.

[@jaffamaddin]

First the bike...looks great....sounds great. I do like a mid sized 4 cylinder bike. It reminds me of mt 600 bandit i used to own, which I preferred riding to the 1200 bandit I had later. If I gave up touring or found I could afford a second bike, the CB650R would be pretty much at the top of the list. The e -clutch looks good. I ride an NC750X with DCT and I love it. I did look to add a gear shift lever to use instead of the paddles, but they stopped making them fornthe '21' year models onwards. So it woukd have worked very similar to the e clutch. Great review Andy....keep doing what your doing!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you and will do!

[@malcolmpatton9314]

Great review Andy as always great looking bike. Definitely better than a normal quick shifter and less complicated than the dct. Cheaper to service than a dct it’s a winner in my humble opinion.