2024 King of TVs Shootout Winner, Losers, What It Means to You!

[@stopthefomo]

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[@AmurTiger-vm5dy]

Why there isn' t panasonic z 95 a in this comparison ??????????

[@mordimeshita1754]

​@@AmurTiger-vm5dybecause it's difficult to buy it in most of the country Panasonic don't do good work on sale the TV

[@FenixPajarito]

If the Sony A95L barely beat the S95D that means the S95D is a better tv overall for most young people. People who also play games and like to have the lowest input latency. What do I mean? In this reviews if I'm not mistaken they don't review gaming capabilities so based of that if the Sony barely beat the S95D in picture quality that means that the S95D wins in gaming features and as someone who likes to play games and have the lowest Input Latency to get the W then I'm getting the Samsung and that's because it cost a lot less. If the A95L was cheaper maybe I would take it over the S95D.

[@ghettonb13]

@stopthefomo do you know any repair places that can fix my Samsung tv? It’s a QN900A

[@mordimeshita1754]

@@ghettonb13 QN900A I don't like Samsung Samsung is the Lotto of the panel of the TV you have the cheapest screen is A America you have two kind of panel in Europa one is the British B and one is E Europa and the best of the best K only selling in Korea and is most expensive TV

[@RealLifeTech187]

This analysis of the points and reflecting on the shootout with the judges is really insightful. Thanks for making these summary videos because the livestreams are too long for my taste even though many enjoy them. And I have seen many people comment elsewhere that they don't like to watch the 3-5 hour livestreams either and just want a TL;DW like this so keep em coming FOMO 🙏🏾

[@Niles-Guy]

FOMO how did you get Walter from Breaking Bad as a judge ? 😂

[@michael-4k4000]

omg, cant believe u just said that. wow, the gloves are off tonight boys..... The A95L is a 2023 model, and is not eledgeable to compete in the 2024 Shootout. This topic was already covered.

[@michael-4k4000]

@@mordimeshita1754 Who is "He"? I honestly have NO idea what you are talking about. FOMO, Classy, KG, Brian, and B the installer all stated in previous KZbin video's that the A95L cannot compete in the 2024 competition as it's a 2023 model. I honestly don't care what tv's they let in the contest. But they were ALL wrong. This all just feels like a sales technique. All these OLED TVs are awesome. Buy what u like, not what someL panel of people, who don't even own the A95L, decide which is better. Ratings gave the LG C4 a 9.0 and the Sony A95L a 9.2. Either are excellent and one would be happy with the LG, Samsung or Sony. To say a TV is 2% better than another TV is so miniscule and a normal viewer wouldn't be able to tell them apart, unless they were side by side.

[@mordimeshita1754]

@@michael-4k4000 Today the televisions are so expensive that television testers cannot afford to buy any television and they need the store or they need the importer to give them a television to test and then they don't tell the truth even if the television is expensive and there are many problems they prefer to keep quiet and that's how they make the price go up three times I don't I already no believe most of the reviewers who take a TV from the importer and say it is the best in the world, they will buy a TV with their own money and then buy the garbage they get with lots of problems and models and pay three times that after a few months the TV is not worth half it is time for the manufacturers to make better TVs that will last us the same way they will last us TVs 10 years and not a year and they broke down and won't cost three times as much

[@Displays.1234.]

Sony should have said A95L has the new panel customers, feel let down not knowing if they are going to get the old panel or not, should have been a changing code so people knew what they where buying...

[@kurakuson]

A95m?

[@dante19890]

but its still same performance as the gen 2

[@Displays.1234.]

@@dante19890 no the Gen 2 panel was slightly brighter and improved..

[@dante19890]

@Displays.1234. ye but it still software locked to gen2 performance

[@daviddalprato6088]

its Gen 3 better than 2?

[@Stock--Rosso]

It still amazes me how people have such hatred for a TV brand, or another persons personal choice of television seems to offend them. I wouldn’t walk into someone’s house and start slagging them off for the TV they’ve bought, that’s just mental, so why do it online😂

[@nimblegoat]

I just find it weird - hanging your ego on your preference or pick . So many one dimensional rants as well, like one metric is the be all and end all. I just think these people are sad and unhappy - They can't just enjoy their TV. They know their TV will be a "crap" TV in 3 years and won't even rank in top 5 , so they have to spent another 5K to feel good. I would be happy with any of these TVs it given to me, no fomo that another one wasn't given to me. I would be happy with C4 or Q8. Yes I'm in the market next year, I will look for best 83" for not silly price. Because I can afford it with no financial constraints , But if I could t just afford a good 65" in huge sales - I still would be very happy. Also I don't give an F if you are rich or poor, have a rolex or casio . None of that is important. If it makes you happy so be it. I like the reviews also as like seeing tech and improvements coming through . I am not defined by my TV :)

[@chrysopylaedesign]

Are these Blind Testings? Unless EVERYTHING except the screen is blocked-off/covered-up (only the screen can be seen), then the reviewers will know the Manufacturer they're judging & INEVITABLY, biases & weighted expectations (subconsciously or not), will affect the judging & make their way into the Final Results. I'm familiar w/ & respect the judgement of some of the participants, but a Blind Testing is the only way to have Unimpeachable Results. ****After now hearing the video's comments on Blind Testing (17:34), I understand what the reviewer is saying; BUT I still stand by what I previously commented. By actually doing a Blind Testing you remove the question of it NOT BEING a Blind Test. If a reviewer can "tease out" the Make/Model they're reviewing; well?? what can be done about that??.......Nothing. So, just do a Blind Testing & let the chips fall where they may.

[@stopthefomo]

You’re not wrong but Blind testing TVs is not possible due to time limitations and cabling (you’d also need to swap TV positions to avoid confirmation bias between scenes) but this is still better than nothing at all.

[@chrysopylaedesign]

@@stopthefomo Yes, your right, regardless of nit-picking of methodology, the opinions of the reviewers are clearly authoritative & respected; I hope I made that clear. In the end the practicalities of judging these products & providing information to your subscribers is in your purview & why we value your videos & channel.

[@EJRACE76]

A95L for life!!

[@michael-4k4000]

have an A95L, its very good. But it's not even close to night and day compared to my C2 or even C9 from 2019. All oled have perfect black levels and perfect contrast. The A95L colors pop a little bit more. Non of my family noticed or said a word when I replaced a 55" LG B7 to the A95L. I think this is one of those things that all OLED's are 95% the same, and it's the 5% where one OLED can outperform another oled. BTW, you can check Ratings for yourself, my old LG B7 (from 2017) was capable of 822 nits on a 2% window and 670 nits HDR Real Scene Peak Brightness. Thats bright, not as bright as the A95L can do at 1440 nits on a 2% window. Yes it's noticeable, in a dark room, unless these 2 TVs were right next to each other, you would never complain about the LG B7 picture quality. Am curious how much brightness my B7 has lost since it was new, it has about 6,500 hours and seems bright enough. OLED pixels do degrade over time, so its less bright then it was 7 plus years ago. What im trying to say here is that OLED is amazing, no matter which brand u choose. All this extra brightness is not useful yet as there is almost ZERO content that is mastered over 1,000 nits and will take a decade or so to upgrade all the older films to 4k nits. But who wants to go buy all new media just for more brightness.

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

A95L is the king of tvs again.

[@FenixPajarito]

😂😂 It's just a tv

[@laserspewpew_7175]

End of the day go to a store check the tv's out in person and pick your favourite. The top TV's quality difference is pretty minimal imo. I love Sony TV's but in Australia couldn't find a A95L anywhere now that the new TV's are here (only place I found a 65 inch one it was $6,000 AUD). I ended up going with the G4 (65 inch $3,300) and I have no issues with it. Enjoy your purchases if you liked them before this comp, why would you not like it now?

[@Amfibios]

i was about to go for the A95L, but decided to buy the G4 because it's an all around better set. 83 inches, more HDMI 2.1 ports with full bandwidth, better gaming features, probably the best dolby vision implementation, sitting flush to the wall, better brightness overall, better specular highlights, crazy detail.... (by the way, i was impressed by the anti-reflecting coating. i didn't expect it to be so good) ofc it's gonna lose out to QD-OLEDs in the color department but LG did a great job this year and it's closer than ever. from everyone else watching movies with me, only my nitpicky eyes could probably tell the difference between this and a QD-OLED if they're not side by side.

[@AmurTiger-vm5dy]

" personalmente " ritengo l' lg g4 e il nuovo panasonic z 95 a I migliori tv al mondo, magari l' lg g 4 non ha i colori del panasonic, sony , samsung, ma qui parliamo di piccole sfumature

[@JBlakeS23]

G4 the most hyped tv since I can remember gets last place yet again! Didn’t even win a single category… I’m not surprised, so much bias with LG. QDOLED is hands down better.

[@enzopied3015]

I'm glad other people see the crazy LG fangirlism too For most of us it's about the best TV every year, regardless of brand, but some people are in every comment section cheering on LG only and wanting everyone else to fail. Makes them getting last place this year kinda hilarious honestly. Then blaming it on being rigged, even tho LG won years in a row at times

[@JBlakeS23]

@@enzopied3015 I have both technologies in my home and watch them daily. QDOLED is in the command seat and it’s not looking back.

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

QDOLED is far superior than WOLED for sure. Time for LG to go QD aswell.

[@user-oq6sc1qm4j]

The other thing that rub me the wrong way was how tv reviewers were misleading people into believing that the G4 was a major upgrade over the G3 when in reality it was just a bit brighter and the image a bit sharper.

[@JBlakeS23]

@@user-oq6sc1qm4j I know from owning both technologies that LG would have to go away from WOLED to compete with QDOLED. They’ve maxed the WOLED panel out and making the panel show brighter whites does absolutely nothing for me. The picture quality is still dull in comparison.

[@claykeough7898]

Until upscaling and compression gets better, if you're mostly streaming just get the mid range 85(x90L imo) and a solid atmos bar with rears and woofer. You'll save thousands and be as happy as I am. I have a mini theater for 3200 🤙🤙🔥🔥

[@KAT-pi3pk]

I also think of cable TV as being the same as low bit rate streaming (I believe cable is mostly 720p). The other factor I would consider is if you have a need for a wider viewing angle. A person may opt for a cheaper OLED (LG B4 maybe?) or even a TV with an IPS panel.

[@claykeough7898]

@@KAT-pi3pk for sure! I'm just saying the majority I know just have streaming apps, games and WiFi. Sony mid range TV's are stupidly impressive with that because of their processor, but I'd say only recently. My x90j was fine but not worth the higher price. The x90L however is definitely hanging in there with the best of them I've seen. Even OLED.

[@spursdynasty7378]

I have an Lg c2 oled to stream and game on but recently got a Klipsch Flexus sound bar with sub and rears for under a grand. Couldn’t be happier with the sound quality for a bedroom setup . Not sure if premium TVs are worth the crazy prices. I’d wait till a good sale especially with this years models. Black Friday and early spring are good times to buy a nice tv.

[@claykeough7898]

@@spursdynasty7378 yeah, I'm not saying tvs don't have better quality tech, but a lot of it isn't even used yet with a lot of platforms. May I ask, does your soundbar have 2.1 vrr passthrough for ps5?

[@claykeough7898]

@@spursdynasty7378 I'm asking because I have a hta 5000 with rears and sub and it's pretty awesome but want to upgrade soon with a newer Atmos system. I need the passthrough HDMI ports though with the gaming

[@444chroma]

Thank you FOMO for doing your best at providing coverage this year even though it was more challenging.

[@sirgareth5283]

And still the old and new champion oooooooffff the Wooooooorld…..💥

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

The undisputed champion of the world.

[@dante19890]

Feels like Sony is always gonna win, even against newer brighter TVs cuz it has the same image characteristics as the mastering monitor

[@techsamurai11]

The key takeaway along with Brian's video of all the TVs is that they look virtually indistinguishable from each other. The interviews were awesome because they essentially show the detail to which they have to go to look for differences like the sub-pixel or known scenes with issues. As one reviewer pointed out, Samsung has come a long way from being just a TV offender in terms of picture quality to becoming a TV contender. The LG G4's strange tone mapping is probably the biggest difference between them along with gaming clarity. Most people are not going to watch a TV in its calibrated mode or have it calibrated and will be using the default mode. Scene selection and color temp (by extension) is probably the biggest deciding factor in terms of picture quality.

[@lordd794]

I know the G3 improved a lot with calibration, is it possible that tone mapping could be corrected on the G4 with calibration?

[@michael-4k4000]

yes, they are ALL good, great even. It's more what sorts your needs more. Like if you really want to mount on the wall the LG G4 comes with a wall bracket. So thats a great option. Where if u want to place your tv on a stand, the Sony IMHO has the best looking stand. Samsung doesnt have Dolby Vision, they should, but then again, you can get a S90C 83" for $2600 from Best Buy, so thats an amazing deal.

[@amitavraja3385]

I think the A95L is using 3rd gen QD panel now as 2nd gen is no longer manufactured by Samsung.

[@neiltaylor6645]

It’s a pity Panasonic don’t realise there top tier tv in the us they as can hold a candle with there processor with Sony

[@claykeough7898]

@@neiltaylor6645 I've always liked Panasonic and unpopular vote Philips 😅

[@mwran]

Question about the Sony reference monitor. What percent of BT2020 does the Sony Reference monitor cover? If the Qd-oled cover a wider color gamut than the Sony Reference monitor then isn’t an additional reference needed. I saw a comment during the shootout about maybe some of the colors being oversaturated on qd-oled.

[@michael-4k4000]

good question. would assume 100% right for that price it better.

[@mwran]

@@michael-4k4000 According to Classy from the shootout the Sony reference monitor covers about 85% rec2020

[@luvwutsnew401]

No matter what id still buy the LG G4,i wouldn't buy a Samsung

[@ajwtf6539]

I understand that G4 losings some colour saturation when it gets really bright but in dark scenes was a surprise

[@VidRaza]

Para mi, humildemente, este año es de LG G4. Es cierto que QD-OLED tiene mejor colorimetría, pero la funcionalidad y las imágenes fuera de la realidad lleva a LG, para mi, a ser el ganador del 2024. LG es todo terreno. He usado productos SONY y Samsung y me decepcionaron hasta el alma.

[@vlcheish]

@@VidRaza Yes most agree with that as well.

[@AmurTiger-vm5dy]

​@@VidRazaalso for me lg g 4 have the best imagine , but one answer, why There isn' panasonic z 95 a in this comparison ???????

[@VidRaza]

@@AmurTiger-vm5dy That's a good question. I think it's because it hasn't reached the American market yet.

[@AmurTiger-vm5dy]

@@VidRaza 👍

[@shawnnkalon2965]

Hi fomo hope you fine .Thanks for the great video. As I had mentioned bravia 9 still dint come in india so got qn900d 85inch. Fomo is S95D lost to bravia 9 but was close. My question to you If samsung says qn900d is much better than s95d then don't you think it should match bravia 9 in many aspects.85inch. Have liked my qn900d for sports and AI helps in some aspects and misses some.

[@FenixPajarito]

If the Sony A95L barely beat the S95D that means the S95D is a better tv overall for most young people. People who also play games and like to have the lowest input latency. What do I mean? In this reviews if I'm not mistaken they don't review gaming capabilities so based of that if the Sony barely beat the S95D in picture quality that means that the S95D wins in gaming features and as someone who likes to play games and have the lowest Input Latency to get the W then I'm getting the Samsung and that's because it cost a lot less. If the A95L was cheaper maybe I would take it over the S95D.

[@Tidbitkid]

LG has the best gaming features and implementation along with Dolby Vision support which the Samsung is lacking.

[@FenixPajarito]

@@Tidbitkid I don't really care much about lack of Dolby Vision. They have HDR and I guarantee that if you do a blind test to spot Dolby Vision and HDR in a tv contest you would not know which one is which.

[@Tidbitkid]

@@FenixPajarito In motion it would most definitely be noticable as it's dynamic not static meaning scene to scene can be different as desired or intended by the content creator. Even if you don't care it should still be supported at a flagship level tv it's like if a AV receiver didn't support DTS but only Dolby or visa versa the whole point of that industry is as much compatible codecs available under one unit with the latest and greatest adopted codecs always available even down to the most entry but as you go further up they even support very niche support for fringe formats.For tv/game and movies Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos have really become the new generation of premium formats for HDR and Sound with DTS-X and HDR10+ secondary formats but still new generation codecs/metadata. To not have the support for them this far along in dynamic metadata HDR is really big fumble and a big reason many would not recommend if you intend to watch latest mastered content as many will be utilizing DV as the premium offering.

[@VilleHelin]

@@Tidbitkid According to another review just about the game mode, G4 loses in many areas to S95D - I've seen the pictures and it's easy to see the difference.

[@FenixPajarito]

@@VilleHelin In game mode the S95D beats the LG G4. The only thing that the G4 does better is that it has a sharper image more detail. But the Tone mapping of the S95D is superior in Game Mode even the Samsung S90D is superior to the LG G4 in game mode.

[@martinpratley4632]

It must of meant something to me my A95l 77 arrives next week 😊

[@amrititbhu]

Too happy with S95D. Bought it on pre release discount, absolutely loved it. Now it is neck to neck with the best. Considering both Sony and LG are $500-1000$ more expensive than Sam, I would argue Samsung makes the most sense. Love the matte finish during the day.

[@supertrexandroidx]

Yeah, and i have mixed feelings about the TV's having to match the reference monitor. What looks best on paper (or compared to any reference) doesn't always look best in real life, not to everyone, some of it is definitely subjective. But I just have to take it on faith that these guys know more than I do and that the net result will be better TV's for all of us. ;)

[@Tidbitkid]

Samsung in longevity tests indicate premature blue sub-pixel wear compared to Green and Red. Also much higher heat on peak brightness with no proper dispersion which might lead to even higher premature image retention.

[@supertrexandroidx]

@@Tidbitkid This was more of a problem on their older panels. Not so much with later gens., at least not that I'm aware of. In any case, not likely to be a problem for most people and normal viewing habits.

[@Tidbitkid]

@@supertrexandroidx Samsung still as far as I know publicly announced the life expectancy of their panels that they had mentioned they would after putting them through test that had yet to be completed at the unavailing of the first generation panels for consumer use.

[@supertrexandroidx]

@@Tidbitkid I'm not sure I quite got what you were trying to say there, but in any case, it is what it is. IF the Samsung panel goes out a year or two earlier than it might have with some other brand, then look, you buy another, and you will STILL save more money in the long run than if you'd gone with something like a Sony ;)

[@masomaf]

Good that you guys said this is a panel observation test. A95L looks a great tv to me, but price and not gaming at 144 hz withholds me. PS5 pro probably gonna support 144 hz. Also lot of soft and firmware issues. LG G4 not winner panel wise. But I do like all the other things such as amount of ports, 5 year warranty etc.

[@ATX_Guy]

This might be a redundant observation, by why wouldn’t Sony win when the reference monitor is also made by Sony? Where do people think Sony is getting their calibration “references” from? It seems like any under performance on a a Sony panel would simply be due to the panel technology. In this case, the Bravia 9 - close but not quite. Still, interesting to see how the other manufacturers stack up to the reference monitor.

[@troy5568]

Do note that the A95L is a 2023 TV, as opposed to the G4 and S95D that are both 2024 TVs. Also, in terms of getting close to the reference monitor, it is said that the A95L is the best at doing that, but the other two are competitively close as well. However, the advantages of a newer TV clearly shows, especially with the improvements made by LG for the G4, both panel and processing, and Samsung's improvements with the use of the 3rd-gen QD-OLED (vs. A95L's 2nd-gen) and picture processing.

[@issaciams]

​@troy5568 but the point still remains that the reference is a Sony so this whole shoot out is kind of dumb. The Sony TV should match the reference monitor the most. If we are being logical.

[@michaelcasper2613]

Hey, thanks very helpful. Appreciate it.

[@elongatuspiranha]

LG OLED are my favorite TV's. Hopefully with LG losing this event, in their G5, C5, etc they will fix the undefeatable sharpness and tone mapping. These should be an option not baked in. These two problems make the G3, C3...better imo

[@PetefromBaltimore]

@stopthefomo Great video! Q: In the video you said you believe the 2024 A95L is using Gen 3 QD-OLED panels. Is this verified? Or conjecture on your part? If verified, is there any way to identify if you are getting Gen 3 when buying a new A95L? Again, great video!

[@chrisbullock6477]

Looks like we won't be totally satisfied until there's a 83inch QD OLED then...

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Depends . I am waiting for U9N (Mini UX , UX will come in 98” 110”) launch 🚀 d image n vibrancy most likely surpass both A95L n S95D . 🎉

[@davidmojonnier1034]

OMG. Completely bored after the second "Judge". These men have years of experience only to be contained by the directive "most closely matches the Sony monitor." Horse feathers. I applaud Fomo for exposing the miserable job studios do with Atmos. Very courageous. For me I'm only interested in what tv you really want to use day in and day out.

[@issaciams]

Sorry but if the reference is also a Sony, its a bad test. Why wouldnt the Sony TV match the Sony reference monitor the most??? Make it make sense. To me, overall the LG G4 is the best out of these 3 TVs when you consider PQ and all the features of the TV itself. That anti glare screen by Samsung really sucks. And Sony is just charging too much for what you get.

[@007GoldenLion]

Most movie studios and videogame makers use that Sony mastering monitor that is why.

[@thanasisleventakis3733]

Why you dont have a TV shootout competition with s90d , c4 , a80l etc The majority of buyers will not choose the best but the best by price performance TVs

[@lpromer4796]

I second that, s90d, c4, Bravia 8 please 🙏🏽

[@bloomerb4162]

Any other companies make reference monitors? I'd like to see another brand reference monitor I there. Who checks the accuracy of sonys reference monitor? Or do these guys just assume it has to be correct.

[@abg360ss]

You have to calibrate every month that reference monitors

[@bloomerb4162]

@abg360ss I mean if sony adding anything like they do with xr processing.

[@mateuszptaszynski5377]

Not having QM8 and U8N/U9N in LCD category was a real downer

[@SpinningTrance]

Absolutely! Been waiting all summer for the U9N. I instead got the 75" U7N for now just to test out the ADS Pro Panel. I am absolutely amazed with the fast response and buttery smooth gaming I am experiencing! Better than any VA I have had! Colors are full and gorgeous and the depth is unreal! I hope the U9N gets here asap! I am for sure the U9N with the ADS Pro far exceeds the QM8!

[@tomcrown69]

I have to agree. I think Sony is behind this. Why would they place their Bravia 9 against lesser cost TV. These so called artist are full of it. It all seems like marketing nonsense. If a movie is not entertaining most viewers not say the picture color is off resolution is off etc. Samsung understands what the average consumer wants thus they sell more sets than anyone.

[@SpinningTrance]

The Hisense U9N just showed up on Best Buy!

[@jaytandon]

So qd oled is better than woled?

[@joelman1989]

That depends but most people would say yes because it preserves color saturation in high brightness. But there are concerns about burn in. I don’t have those concerns but it’s important to mention if you’re someone that’s paranoid about that sort of thing. MLA does allow WOLED to get close to and even surpass QDOLED in brightness so the margin is much smaller now between the two. But it’s the colors of the QD that can’t be beat. That said, I don’t think you’d really notice unless you had the two side by side

[@BugLondon]

@@joelman1989 Not even them being side by side. You need the content first. And there's little content out there where you can tell a difference between qdoled and mla woled colors. Basically only hdr demo content pushes colors that hard, not actual movies, tv, or even video games all that much.

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

QD OLED is far superior, colors are vastly superior. Rec2020 coverage is crazy, night and day difference. You have to see it for yourself to believe it. QD OLED is superior in almost every single way, it is an advanced OLED.

[@joseperez3035]

Hi Fomo so there is no way, by measurements, to know if the A95L was using 2ndo or 3rd gen for the sample of the shooting?

[@brutalbown1]

It is unbelievable that game mode isnt even factored in! People buy a TV just for games, yet you still call a king of TV without it. The A95L is far from a king at gaming, with its much lower peak brightness and ABSL. It needs sorting.

[@TheGhostofMississippi]

I am not a Sony guy, I think they are overpriced and I think that it’s cheating that the reference monitor tech and their tv tech is so closely related. Hard not to win in those situations. However I’m still buying the A95L simply because of versatility. It can do more in terms of color without losing much in terms of brightness

[@solidsnake7167]

Not cheating if theyre the ones with the ultimate tech reference that THEY built. Sounds to me Samsung and LG needs to get just a little better. It's the same as the automobile industry in that NASCAR/F1 etc etc have the best tech by miles, precise engineering and that tech/design/ideas being implemented in cars made for the public. Its good to have that ultimate barometer to measure against

[@dsdddsd4543we]

Fantastic review! However, current pricing is also a factor in choosing. Here is the current price of all models in 77 inch: 1. Sony A95L - $4,999 2. LG G4 - $4,299 3. Samsung S95D - $3,899

[@lordd794]

That extra $1100.00 saved on the Samsung would get you a pretty nice soundbar. Seems like the better deal for the average consumer.

[@VilleHelin]

@@lordd794 Just bought 65" S90D QD-OLED for 1400€. Earlier this year I bought Q990D + Music Frame for 1100€. I'm quite happy with these. :)

[@Flor-ian]

Heard Nilay from the verge was there this year. Looks like a lot of fun!

[@amitavraja3385]

Very good insight from these experts as to the weaknesses and strengths of the TVs in contention. Most people thought Bravia 9 would give OLEDs a bashing however, it had to have a separate LCDs evaluation away from OLEDs, as it cannot compete with them. It barely won in the LCD category with unexpected stiff competition from QN95D😅

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

D Nice is most definitely the MAN. He knows his craft backwards and forwards. Listening to him discuss his calibration techniques is amazing.😊 Kudos to D NICE.😊

[@michael-4k4000]

Do LCD TV's contrast level's decrease over time?

[@pdmerritt]

The Sony is great and all but I've never been impressed enough to pay that Sony tax.

[@Radarcb329]

I disagree with Dwayne Davis who favored the G4 because he could perfect the LUT. But the G4 is weaker on color gamut. Also I know the competition was segregated on LCDs vs OLED. However, the two winners of LCD and OLED should have been compared.

[@Tidbitkid]

LG G4 is the brightest of the OLEDs shown and thus perfect the LUT would greatly be significant in the accuracy department with the brightest panel available. Also because it's not a QDOLED it doesn't have the issue of viewing angle that the current gens of QDOLED panels have with colour tint issue. Panasonic's flagship OLED is to be even brighter and out of the box more accurate then even Sony so should be a choice but is not readily available unless imported in North America. Most likely in the UK shootout Panasonic will win in the OLED category. The human eye can disguish brightness and darkness much more easily then points in colour gamut/volume like mentioned it's possible to make a panel that has availability in settings more accurate do a pretty impressive accuracy but you can't boost a panels peak brightness nor its subpixel layout. Plus most people know by now LG Chem and LG Display have over a decade of production R&D in consumer OLEDs compared to a panel provided from Samsung Display even Samsung is supplementing their line up with LG manufactured displays as they cannot compete with the size offerings each year that LG can manufacture.

[@mordimeshita1754]

​@@TidbitkidLG TV is not brightness is only filter green and yellow to make the screen to look brightness but the skin color sharp detail brightness detail is bad

[@giotorres9848]

would have been nice if they also added the c4 and b8 to the shootout

[@Citizenflaba]

MicroLEDs can’t come soon enough! I’d really not appreciate burn in 5 years out. I like having my old flagship tv as a gift/hand me down/ basement space tv and burn in would just ruin all those prospects

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

A95L is the absolute best tv in our markets!! Go A95L if you can afford it. Hands down the best tv money can buy.

[@sj460162]

Im on holiday in rhodes watching this! I thought the s95d was 2nd on paper?

[@patrickmoney1894]

Is there any way we can get the scoring for the subcategories? I'm especially interested in the results of the straming category. Also, is there any more info for the out of the box results? All we have is the order of the tvs, but no info on the scoring. Loved the stream.

[@exhibitD79]

For streaming they used an Apple TV

[@markmd9]

I can't believe S95D beat G4. Consider G4 should be above.

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

QD-OLED is the key. Superior!!

[@markmd9]

@@MISTERMASTER1234 can't agree, they don't have perfect black

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

​@@markmd9 I'm sure you know it is an oled, and it does have perfect black lol. If you mean the lack of a polarizer filter then this only affects the panel when a large light in front of the tv. If you are in a dark room you're going to see perfect blacks like on woled.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

G4 still has Banding issues. Also perfect Blaack is TV industry Myth for “up selling “ In science 🧬 program . PhD Scientists 👨‍🔬 professor explain tv n Color . “There is NO black , all black r dark grey n perceived to be Black . Real black only exist in absolute black bunk . If u r seeing anything , means light 💡 exist that means the No true black. Evey morning get up see anyone outdoor …. No black but bright , only need -- bright n Color Volume!!!! Color density Mattere to make majority of image Dense n 3D. S95D has 3X Color volume of G3 G4. Even Hisense U8N has 3.5X Color Density/Volume of G4. The larger d tv is especially 75” 83” the TV so stretched -- OUT. We rely on Color Volume/Density to see things 3D with vibrancy 🍑🥬🥮🧿🔮🐦‍🔥🍁🌸🌹☘️🪼 We need more Color Volume to creat transition shades ! G4 is great , just low Color volume . Unless watch Game of thrones . Most image like Olympics , all bright room all colors.

[@bloomerb4162]

I'm hoping lg can introduce a better performing green and red oled material, then I think it can still be competitive against qdoled.

[@D65Cinder11HDR]

QD is 💛

[@daviddalprato6088]

I don't understand, its the s95d better in low-bitrate content streaming vs the LG G4? or just on 4k?

[@stopthefomo]

In this streaming test via external Apple TV the S95D was rated better than G4

[@frenchfriedtatr]

Doesn't the Pentonic 700 go mass market next year? A lot of tvs from a lot of mfgrs are going to get generational leaps to image quality. A small wait.

[@neiltaylor6645]

Like any tv it’s as good until you compare it to a tv next to it

[@guyr3618]

LG really should just switch to QD-OLED already.

[@Tidbitkid]

Panel life expectancy on QD-OLED longevity tests show the current implementation of the technology is not a mature tech with less life usage of the panels.

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

I think they will, because WOLED is basically dead at this point.

[@guyr3618]

@@Tidbitkid That doesn't seem to be too much of an issue, given that I'm not hearing about QD-OLED owners demanding refunds in droves. And QD-OLED seems to be superior in pretty much every other area, so...

[@Tidbitkid]

@@MISTERMASTER1234 you do know that Samsung is even using WRGB OLEDS from LG Display this year in their production as they are unable to compete in the various size offerings that LG can. MLA WRGB OLEDS are being used in Panasonics flagship this year and have many years won this category. Also almost every reviewer has said LG G4 is brighter then any previously measured OLED so definitely usable in daylight which prior was a hard sell to sway those who like lcd backlight displays for this reason.

[@VilleHelin]

@@Tidbitkid I'll switch TVs every 5 years or so, so that's not an issue. Also I don't watch TV that much every day... Switching from C9 55" to S90D 65".

[@joelman1989]

So what is low bit rate?I know FOMO always says the Samsungs struggle with it and uses KZbin TV as an example. But what about Netflix and Hulu? Would using a streaming box resolve the issue?

[@stopthefomo]

This year S95D stepped it up! Also internal apps also perform differently than external. I have found all 3 to render Netflix well from external sources but Sony internal Netflix not doing Netflix DV as accurately as LG and Samsung not doing DV at all but personally I’m not a fan of DV

[@michael-4k4000]

Do LCD TV's contrast level's decrease over time?

[@whitecrowuk575]

It’s very problem orientated shootout. Which is nothing wrong but in the end what we watch might have very few scenes like that if any and majority of people would not even know any better. Any of those TVs are great - each suits slightly less or more different use. There is no perfect TV despite what shootouts like this might suggest. Worth to mention dolby vision is not tested here so for Sony or LG owners - taking into account DV is pretty much everywhere - those results are much less applicable - LG would have an advantage here over Sony and Samsung thanks to best in industry implementation. Lastly price is one of subjective differences and majority will make decision based on that.

[@MatthewMahon]

So if all of Samsung’s 2024 panels are Gen 3 does that mean the Samsung S90d uses a 3rd gen panel?

[@nickitaabitov1265]

g4 worst in HDR bright scenes ?) sounds like joke. i dont belive

[@dante19890]

Prob cause of the worse colour performance in bright vivid colours

[@gerard3797]

The G4 can only push white brightness, not color brightness. It causes HDR highlights to be washed out in comparison to QD Oled and Bravia 9.

[@SLICK8116]

Cry harder😅

[@giotorres9848]

so s95d king of 2024 if we go based off 2024 releases only

[@whitecrowuk575]

If you need this to feel happy about it lol

[@shawnnkalon2965]

Why was the qn900d not their in shootout when the best should match the best which bravia 9 is. Also you must have seen the 85inch qn900d and bravia 9 what are their respective strengths and weakness

[@timothys9288]

Yeah, I still want blind testing.

[@saerosowns6961]

after getting the Qn90d and it looked used ive returned it.. unable to get a new one i settled for the tv that was the same price the Samsung Qn55s92D which is upper varian of the S90d for 100$ more then the s90d... really hope its as great as what i saw in stores cause that s90d really touched my soul XD in stores at least

[@petecap4382]

The only problem about the Sony is that they did not have an 85 “

[@mz1929]

FOMO can you now explain in a updated video before labor day, WHY and WHERE the S90D sits now? if it comes with a Gen 3 panel at this point in the year.... what are we actually losing? its just service menu lock downs? how is it any different than the S95D if its got a Gen 3 panel in it?

[@DanielK-g7h]

Sony making it a hair less detailed never heard of that before

[@jeff_stephen]

31:38 😂 Deals on open box Bravia 9 and G4s. 😆

[@richmahogany1710]

i remember when qd-oled first came out, people complained about a purple tint thing happening on the screen. is that still a problem?

[@tylerstirling2843]

I ended up selling my QD-oled and returned to Woled because of it. The difference in contrast between the two technologies was VERY apparent to me, and a lot of the time, I felt like I was watching an LCD due to the lifted blacks from QD-oled. It seems like most people don't seem to mind it though, so I may just be sensitive to it.

[@stopthefomo]

Not for most but if you are sensitive to it then you could get WOLED which has a more visible magenta tint that QDOLED doesn’t have so it’s really preference to what you’re sensitive to seeing

[@freetorobandloot]

All of these TVs are out of the price range for the majority of your audience (me included). In time of such economic hardship, please review more affordable TVs that make more sense to the majority of the average american.

[@davidanonymous4284]

The shootout's purpose is to compare the best consumer TVs on the market, calibrate them using professional equipment, then see which consumer TV comes the closest to providing the same image as a reference monitor used in studios to make films. It's a very, very niche competition which caters to hardcore enthusiasts who value picture accuracy above all else. A $500 USD LCD simply isn't capable of coming anywhere near the type of accuracy needed to be involved in this kind of competition.

[@HDTVShootout]

LG's new QNED90T was included in our 2024 TV Shootout and it is about 1/2 of the price compared to all of the other MiniLED TVs that competed in the event. This is and has been for the new flagship TVs from all major brands.

[@penrodsfam3402]

Great content.... I base my tv buying decisions on HDTV TEST Channel

[@stopthefomo]

Last year Sony and Samsung won there too

[@vlcheish]

@@stopthefomo yes though the HDTVtest that will be the most interesting shootout especially this year since the Panasonic Z95A will have a new MediaTek SoC which will improve gradation and that was the issue with Panasonic OLEDs for the last few years as they took a hit to that with the MediaTek SoC they had to use. i know DNice talked about trying to import Panasonic OLEDs though I am sure that can never happen as VE has no benefit in showing a TV that can be bought here(also expensive and a PIA trying to import it and then you need to update it probably over a VPN to the UK)

[@corzabourne2101]

Wish they would compare the s90d with the service menu hack.

[@uusrikas]

Exactly i used my s95b that way and now s90D its tremendous improvement

[@corzabourne2101]

@uusrikas better specs then the s95d for less then half the price

[@uusrikas]

@@corzabourne2101 s95d can be service menu upgraded to both good but really happy with s90d for gaming perfect

[@madcrabber1113]

We care more about this than we do curing cancer 😂 😂

[@OtakuGamer.1412]

will a95l 77 inch looks great but 85 inch b9 for me is better choice and seem good upgrade from A80J65, not mention that burn image is still concern issue with oled and I'm not take a risk and pay that much money on it

[@mz1929]

i do think price should some how be calculated even if it only effects scores by .01. bc Samsung wrecks them in prices an discounts. and then would tied the Sony. basically all this shoot out did was prove sony isnt worth the price this year. unless you can't accept the matte screen.

[@issaciams]

Yeah I don't like the matte screen at all so the Samsung is out for me and the Sony is too overpriced for what you get. I genuinely like the G4 the most for its features and the PQ plus it just looks the best without the issue that qd-oled has right now, which is burn in. WOled has that figured out now but QDOled doesn't. Maybe in a few years it will but that extra "pop" comes at a cost. So I'm getting the g4 later this year.

[@mz1929]

@@issaciams yea thats why im going to get the S90D for now i think

[@erbterb]

Markus pix would disagree that 400 nits is necessary to get the art part. It is not the audiovisual mishmash that moves hearts. Nerds on the other hand focuses on all the things that does not make a movie. Pretty much like trying to impress a girl with a new wienerschnitzel verlenger porsche, while she wants you to listen.

[@valley3]

If LG or Samsung won, this conversation would not have been had

[@stopthefomo]

It would’ve been “but how could LG win with inferior and obsolete technology that lacks substantial color volume in HDR?!”

[@Running4Daze]

lots of sour grapes in the comments today. don’t b too sore about the outcome, cause the results give these manufacturers incentive to up their game. But yeh I get it, Sony a95L is becoming the Tom Brady of tvs, we love to see it do its work but damn can someone else win for a change-hahahaha. Anyway, great video 👍 I learn a lot from these.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Hello buddy😊

[@TheReaver2218]

you give DV to samsung I will buy it I just love my g4 with DV I know its not needed but I wanted it

[@davidanonymous4284]

I wish Classy was asked the criteria used for SDR Reference. In theory, the G4 should have been the most accurate of the displays involved after calibration because of its 3D LUT capability. I'm curious as to why it came in third.

[@Jordanfiend361]

Lmao some y’all are so hard headed and problematic . They explained Numerous times why it was 3rd.🥴😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@stopthefomo]

Low light color contraction was not limited to HDR content but also SDR and this was very evident

[@davidanonymous4284]

@@stopthefomo Thanks answering my question. Much appreciated.

[@eddiecheung4385]

Mourn not the dead that in the cool earth lie Dust unto dust The calm sweet earth that mothers all who die As all men must; Mourn not your captured comrades who must dwell Too strong to strive Each in his steel-bound coffin of a cell, Buried alive; But rather mourn the apathetic throng The cowed and the meek Who see the world's great anguish and its wrong And dare not speak!

[@lpromer4796]

Wtf?! 🤔

[@MrTomengle]

I wonder what the odds are that they are going to win again next year.......asking for a friend...Shoei Ohtani....

[@XxHayabusa23xX]

Also kaufe ich mir s95d und ich dachte lg wäre besser

[@storytheshorty]

Um, why can’t we see the tvs lol

[@michaelscott466]

The most interesting part about this shootout was the interview with D-Nice where he admitted that he prefers SDR over HDR and personally chooses to watch the SDR version of content rather than HDR in his own home.. Something I have been saying for years and years and years! The only difference being whenever I bring it up on forums people think I'm crazy. As it turns out I'm not alone 😂. HDR mostly sucks or at least is vastly inferior to its SDR counterpart. Maybe things will improve in the future as colorists and creators become more experienced working with the format... Kind of feel like we should be there at this point though-unfortunately we're not. For anyone who has a hard time believing this, if you have a device that allows it, simply compare virtually any of the same content in both SDR versus HDR by disabling HDR on your device. You'll become a believer really fast.

[@vlcheish]

HDR when used right can be superior. But as D-Nice points out it's often not the case. Lets put it this way. When I walk into an IMAX showing of Oppenheimer I don't say "gEe wHiz tHiS iS tErRiBlE cAuSe nO hDr!!!!"

[@michaelscott466]

@@vlcheish what's something could be is irrelevant, what it actually is matters. Literally, 99% of the time the SDR version of any particular piece of content will look vastly better than its HDR counterpart. The unfortunate part is that most people are not even seeing the best that their new panels are capable of because they are stuck with HDR. There is no option to disable it on new TVs.

[@buttoxbrown]

Bullshit

[@michaelscott466]

@@buttoxbrown great argument

[@buttoxbrown]

@@michaelscott466 great argument to a shit somment

[@hughkleinsc8949]

It’s 2 nd gen,sorry get your info correct

[@rct8884]

It is good to gauge and measure what is perfoming best based on expert analysis to benchmark the tec. However, personally I want to have a fun looking tv that pops and yes does not look real and set up the way I want (I also eq my music and like soe. Now I am banned 😉). I perfer to watch movies etc, not analysing color accuracy (slight) blooming and whether the black bars are pure black. Tv's today are very close in performance so don't over analyze tv's, buy what appeals to you and enjoy it the way you like (you don't buy a car and race it all the time because a expert tests a car that way). I own all panel types, plasma, oled, qdoled and mini led. All have their strengths and weaknesses, I agree that oled is the best panel tech but it doesn't yet compete in the affordable 98"+ sizes. Just get what you like, set it up the way you like and don't stress on what the pros say, I can guarantee you that the art you like is definitely different that what an art connoisseur likes.

[@Keivz]

G4? More like G 8.4 😮

[@dimwillow7113]

Should have sport category so we now have much they dim. For a normal user i dont see how we gonna pick up those small nuances that you pros see. But a TV that to start dim 5 min into a game is pretty annoying.

[@VilleHelin]

So S95D got silver but then it got bronze?

[@unies176]

Bet you these reviewer dudes never watch a full TV doc or film at all Just nit picking never satisfied hard to please

[@aprozsolt8046]

A95L in 2024 :) you guys............

[@vlcheish]

i would hope so. it's literally not even 12 months old and more the most expensive tv still

[@aprozsolt8046]

@@vlcheish it is 2024 right or am I missing something ?

[@vlcheish]

@@aprozsolt8046 did I say you were wrong or am I missing something ?

[@simons2155]

@@aprozsolt8046 What did he say that was wrong?

[@aprozsolt8046]

@@vlcheish the A95L released in 2023. And the A95L is nothing to do with the 2024 tv shootout.

[@ashikhan244]

Whokeys did not work for me. :( but thanks for the video.

[@stopthefomo]

Sorry to hear that

[@handycartmexican5640]

This is complete crap. It’s a 2023 tv not 2024 try again

[@beyondearth6418]

Sony is still doing poorly in the gaming sphere - i'd expect higher gains to be had there.

[@avijitjha1614]

Just a random question for other viewers. Do u think any consumer will buy a tv based on this shootout and not his or her personal preference? If not then is there a point to all of this? Just sayin.

[@stopthefomo]

Most people don’t know which TVs fit their preferences aka I like to watch in a bright room but love streaming SDR movies and sports, then it might be the S95D

[@avijitjha1614]

@stopthefomo true but that's not my question. I want to know that apart from academic interest will any consumer benefit from these shootouts? Like will they actually buy a tv based on the winner of this shootout?

[@Running4Daze]

@@avijitjha1614I’m in the market now, n this info is definitely helping informing my choice on which way to go-the event n guest went into accuracy n daily use scenarios; and helps “calibrate” haaa, my expectations when I get my tv. So yup at least for me supr helpful. Although I’m left a bit unclear on the 2nd 3rd generation screen topic..

[@davidmojonnier1034]

Nope. I'm gonna buy a 75 inch Hisense u8n in November. If it dies in 2 years I'll replace it and still be money ahead of the "Winner".

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

🙄Why is This years -- 🎉Shootout so early ?! Only like August !!! Was Value Eletronics trying to beat Hisense U9N , UX launch ? 🎉👀 I hope u guys r NOT tricked to do their bidding . I HAVE seen Mini UX (65” UX , ADS-Pro 180 degree utter vibrancy dense color) pics in EU n Bravia 9 has No game 👅😮

[@stopthefomo]

Unfortunately Hisense couldn’t give any firm dates on the U9N release in the USA and normally it’s in July!

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

@@stopthefomo love your Videos regardless !!! ❣️Everyone lean a lot from u ! Hope u and family have best rest of Summer !!!

[@SpinningTrance]

@@stopthefomo Hisense U9N is now up on Best Buy as Coming Soon! Hope you get it ASAP to review the ADS Pro!

[@SpinningTrance]

I got the 75" U7N to test the ADS Pro until U9 releases. I can tell you the ADS Pro panel is King for fast response gaming and colors. Yesterday the U9N showed up on Best Buy as coming soon! I am so excited!

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

@@SpinningTrance YESSSSS ! Are u in USA??? I do NOT know if U9N will come to Canada 🇨🇦 I am so worried they do NOT come. Last year UX didnt come. I hope they get Good review. Like Stop the Fomo is truely wonderful TV Legend now . I hope he can help out too . The ppl in EU said they sell Hisense UX , n said SOOOO many ppl walk in store SHOCKED n WOW by those 65” 85” UX. N liike they JUST wish ppl in USA can SEE it. Its like just start of art. Lol the guy was talking about it like full emotion like saying he can NOT describe how nice it is.