Being an Early Adopter SUCKS - Trying to Fix Burn-in on my LG CX

[@Sphyxx]

Imagine having "Activate windows" burned in on your screen XD

[@GrayMatter70]

Almost as bad as a license audit burned in to LMG's wallet!

[@HazewinDog]

I mean... you literally wouldn't notice because it is always there...

[@Sphyxx]

@@HazewinDog Shit that's actually true but if you do something else on it or activate Windows finally you'll still see the watermark XD

[@john_hunter_]

Why doesn't he activate Windows?

[@danielroberts8514]

It pretty much is already tbh

[@CarthagoMike]

First he grew a beard, now his voice has deepened. Linus truly has matured like his channel did.

[@jtestaccount2431]

linus beard tips

[@aadharshj10]

Linus man tips

[@1976rickey]

looks and sounds stopped up and sick to me, probably that f@#king covid

[@volx882]

Did I ask though

[@blackhatson13]

I want my lesbian anarchist cat girl linus back!

[@docchocobo]

We were always told to run a CRT screen as dim as possible when we used our oscilloscopes back in the day. so I can relate to the whole burn in thing. It was common to find a scope with horizontal traces etched into them.

[@NikolakiH]

Every single one of his ‘endgame solutions’ videos ends up getting an upgrade the following year

[@DrVagax]

So will this with the upcoming QD-OLED TV's of LG, I am sure he will switch again

[@abcbizarre]

thats pc gaming in a nutshell or gaming in general.

[@samtherat6]

I’m sure the activate Windows part won’t cause any burn in.

[@thekrippledgoat4521]

Elsa!?

[@VoltzyBoi]

@@thekrippledgoat4521 no, this is Patrick!

[@ChrisLawlee]

Haha!

[@ravinderrs2552]

crack that crap already

[@ovrrtd223]

@@thekrippledgoat4521 do you wanna build a snowman?

[@lorincmate]

FYI: The original remote can be programmed for long press 1-9 to switch to a specific HDMI.

[@CxDOGxLEM]

Holy shit thanks bro haha

[@vip3re]

🤯 Thank you for sharing.

[@weegee_hates_the_blind]

I’ve got that set up on my lg tv. Only downside is that I keep forgetting which device is in which input.

[@ratcomuk]

Holly smoke didn't realise that, thanks

[@hellterminator]

That's a really nice trick. Is there a way to create a shortcut for live TV? It's only letting me create a shortcut for a specific channel, but I'd like to go back to the channel I was watching.

[@LonelySandwich]

It feels weird hearing Linus with an adult voice

[@ryensullivan7564]

Why are you everywhere

[@Kromiball]

Sick Linus still feels weird. (from the video "SIXTEEN Cores for the Price of EIGHT!")

[@sv009d]

Stole my comment

[@kinga1925]

@@sv009d oh no looks like someone sad smh Edit: I meant to say bro I dont care if your comment was stolen if we are enjoying the first comment we see then your comment that supposedly got stolen doesnt matter. Why? because we saw this comment first, we can steal anybody's comment in youtube just let other people enjoy it

[@clockworkengine]

@@kinga1925 How many times have you used that on someone?

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

If burn-in wasn't a problem, then LG wouldn't have to ship TVs with an option to help fix burn-in. If burn-in wasn't a problem, then LG would cover burn-in under warranty!

[@bullseye6969]

They actually do cover it under warranty. Where i am from they give 3 years.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

@@bullseye6969 In some territories they may be legally required to.

[@krismagix1]

@@bullseye6969, sadly not in my country, and now I have a 55" LG OLED B7P purchased at the beginning of 2019 *with a big burn-in area on the middle of the screen,* especially with the red pixels (in the middle of the screen, all red colors look much darker than they should, all yellow things look green since yellow is made up of red and green, and purple things look more blue since purple is made up of red and blue), plus the smaller burn-in areas left by channel logos and other static things around the screen 🤷🏻‍♂. It was partly my mistake for trusting that model despite being from 2017 (I thought this problem with OLEDs was the same for all TV models regardless of the year and that it wasn't so serious as some people said), but maybe I would have had the same bad luck with a 2019 model. 🤔

[@bullseye6969]

@IAlwayswin 😂

[@colinparks619]

@@krismagix1 b7 is oldd now

[@OldBuford]

"being an early adopter SUCKS" *Star Citizen Backer PTSD kicks in*

[@CheapBastard1988]

Wow, the amount of spam here is insane.

[@joesterling4299]

@@CheapBastard1988 Take the time to report it as spam. If enough of us do it, maybe it will accomplish something.

[@estudiordl]

Why, why? 😭😭😭

[@DeepfriedChips]

Place your bets who do from lmg do you think hearted this

[@koraxtu5989]

Is it still PTSD if it's still happening?

[@MarkusArkus5]

"Back to you Steve!" that gave me a good chuckle

[@katherinemorton9126]

Sounds like Linus actually hit puberty in the intro

[@tucket2000]

Sounded like a John Mulaney impression

[@ManasChachra]

Thats riley with some editing🤣

[@Ati27]

I thought the acid kicked in earlier....

[@fetus2280]

Hes getting there ..

[@EnderiumRace]

i don't like it i want his original voice back

[@andreprellwitz7655]

Based on my experience with my B6, I'm convinced LG tracks the total burn time of each pixel and compensates individual brightness. Sounds crazy but I saw rapid onset of burn-in of shows' logos only years after my kids stopped watching the shows. I could be wrong but I'm not willing to spend another $3500 to find out.

[@user-pv9pv4xf9c]

Oh wow so the burn in thing is an actual issue then?

[@arpadsimon]

I had b7 65' and had terrible burn in, after 4 years of normal usage. Never LG again thanks. I spoke to the LG technican and he said he has not seen to much models older than 5 years without burn in. So LG just fools their customers unfornutaley. They offered me to change the oled panel for 2.000 eur. Haha. I bought Samsung qn95 instead.

[@kylekondit9709]

@@user-pv9pv4xf9c oh Jesus yes. On oled displays it's much more likley too happen and sooner.

[@cybertones942]

Only had burn in on my iPhone 6 where the keyboard was always on screen at about 20% opacity

[@mikeoes1]

@@cybertones942 Iphone 6 used lcd screen, impossible to have burn in. it was not OLED

[@TheSpiffyNeoStar]

That "back to you Steve" was great

[@volx882]

Did I ask though

[@baarum]

Scrolled down to find this comment, not disappointed.

[@iangabriel5536]

I don't get it

[@Anankin12]

@@iangabriel5536 It's a Gamer's Nexus catchphras3

[@EposVox]

This is why these things are TVs and not monitors. Realistically most people using these TVs as TVs are using them for mixed media content - movies, TV shows, streaming, video games. A few hour bursts. All day every day PC desktop use is a very different use case that I never understood how anyone would recommend an OLED TV for at this point in time, and really kind of skews everyone's impressions of burn in/retention. Your average user I described above isn't going to have burn in issues. At least not for a much longer time.

[@jiehfeng]

Indeed. At first I was bummed out that I couldn't get a 48 inch version of the C1 but got a 55 inch instead so I couldn't have it on my PC desk, so I had it placed separately. It wasn't long till I realized that was a blessing in disguise. I still have my PC connected to it, as well as my consoles. But knowledge of burn in is extremely helpful in preventing it from happening. I only use the PC for it when I'm going to play a game or watch a movie, and if I somehow need to do other things using the TV, I would make sure I'm changing what's on the screen very often to ensure nothing bright stays anywhere. If it is inevitable and I have to be on a window for a long time, I would just turn the OLED pixel brightness all the way to 1 or 3 from 100 as I can still see clearly and quality is not a need for the task. For movies for which I also prefer subtitles always, I have turned down the opacity of them in VLC so the white is more greyish and transparent, so it isn't bright and much less prone to causing burn in. For consoles it's similar. When playing a game, if I want to take a quick break by pausing to check my phone for like 10 minutes or so, while on my phone I would switch through menus in the game every minute or so, or go to the home screen to make sure nothing stays on for long. If it's longer I would simply go to the settings and use the display off feature which I can turn on again by pressing any button. I don't even need to do all this since I at best would use the TV like 5-6 hours a day and 3-4 hours on average, some days I wouldn't at all. But knowing about burn in I still take precautions, and because of it I'm almost certain I won't experience it. Heck even while playing games like visual novels I would try to go to the home menu or open up other menus for a few seconds every now and again. It isn't annoying to me at all, I like taking care of it as it's very expensive.

[@igors_lv]

Also running it on 80 OLED brightness setting?! In dimly lit room I have 10-15 for regular stuff and 40 for HDR, its plenty bright enough.

[@MissedMessages]

@@igors_lv this is so true I have it on auto, but except for movie night with a good blu ray it's always at 20/40% maximum. At night even 10-20% or it hurts. Maybe 100% once in a while if I play in full day light on summer with the sun on the face lol. Have it from 2017 and no problems so far gaming on it even with the pc.

[@babybirdhome]

I can appreciate that, and certainly it’s “different strokes for different folks”, but I could never justify this for myself because I’m too OCD and need my displays to be as close to perfect as possible at all times. So for computer stuff, I’m sticking to LCD with high quality local dimming instead until micro-LED or something similar can take the place of LCD (honestly micro-LED will probably also have burn in issues because of their size). It’s why I bought the M1 iPad Pro 12.9” when it came out because I realized there’s a chance these devices will transition to OLED soon, and I’d like to be able to just keep using my 1600 nits HDR display as a 1600 nits HDR display without being afraid it’s going to look like rubbish in 6 months for doing so. I can live with a tiny bit of backlight bleed when there are bright spots on the screen because it’s almost never actually visible beyond the light bleed that eyeballs and glasses lenses already create in super high contrast images anyway. I can’t wait for a real groundbreaking new technology that gives us the best of both worlds at the same time. I do think the latest OLED screens are probably perfectly suited to TV and movies at this point, but you still have to accept a fairly limited lifespan if you want to actually be able to enjoy the specs you spent the money to buy. I mean if I was going to buy a 1000 nit HDR OLED screen and turn it down to 300 nits, I would just as soon save the money and buy a 300 nit OLED with a few replacements and have cash left over. I don’t mind spending money on good quality products, but I don’t consider something that has visible issues or visible degradation within a year to be acceptable unless it’s actually cheap, and the really desirable OLEDs are not cheap at all. That’s too rich for my blood.

[@Voidward]

I have 3300 hours on mine in 8 months. Over 12 hours a day. No burn in. Just use darkmode everywhere. Most apps have it available. Chrome has a mode that turns white pages dark also. I also use 30% brightness as there's no natural light hitting my TV. I have chrome windows open on it literally all day. Just don't be an idiot and keep full white windows at high brighness all day and it won't be a problem. I literally don't even think about it anymore.

[@andrewt9204]

"The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long." ~Scruffy, The Janitor

[@Camelotsmoon]

That is only considering if it has the same amount of fuel/same fuel source.

[@enzonenation]

@@Camelotsmoon not really. it's more about the length of the candle. presuming two candles of the same type burned at different intensities, the brighter one will get melted first

[@MixieMew]

all those pixels will be lost in time like... Tears in rain.

[@leonidas14775]

Unless you blow one of them out

[@Swedester]

*laughs in led lightbulbs*

[@cherrystarscollide]

I have been using an LGCX55 for 2 years now, everyday, with no issues what so ever. Best monitor I ever had. Gaming, movies, and browsing the web too, in my free time. I don't do any work on it, I have a separate computer/monitor for that.

[@bwjclego]

I chuckled along with Wendell when he said "Back to you Steve". That will never get old.

[@hurgcat]

"Thanks Steve!"

[@fynkozari9271]

OLED burn in is one of human technological failures. Early adopters pay full price (before price drop 1-2 years later) to get a bad technology.

[@spotsies]

@@fynkozari9271 Any new technology will have hickups that won't be surfaced, until enough people use it for enough time. That's the downside of being an early adopter. It's another problem, when warranty doesn't cover something that it probably should.

[@joacwoot]

I love Wendel. He is the guy the experts go to when they are stuck.

[@Designsecrets]

Linus.......'it's some where inbetween' ...... no linus.......it's what Wendall tells you it is

[@ThePppp89]

@Puji Astuti This is so ridiculous I can't tell if it's actual bot spam or a troll pretending to be one.

[@deletevil]

@@ThePppp89 hahahaha xD that's called ad within a comment.

[@hotbx119]

LG said: "Burn-in is not a problem" They didn't say burn-out was not a problem. - lol

[@alexlabmonkey]

xD

[@orti1283]

Technically it's uneven degradation, so I guess they know they can get away with it

[@Treblaine]

I think the difference is entirely because you can pull SUCH long hours in an office with SUCH bright elements which are just always always on and never changing. Even speedometers or health bars in a game are just not bright on in the same place for 8 hours every day, you're going to go into a menu or finish a race or have a loading screen and generally the trend is to "minimalist hud" these days anyway.

[@Historyww2-1945]

Nah, the CRT screen burn in was just them trying to take a screenshot.

[@beardsntools]

lmao yeah they imprinted it :D

[@CROWGUN]

The LG CX already has its own dimming settings that are nice. I’ve slept with my TV on I’m not proud of it but it’s all right I’ve had it for a year zero burn in. I would get the OLED Once you experience once you do there’s no going back for me

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

LG" burn in isn't a problem" Consumers" why isn't it covered in any oled TV warranty then? LG:...

[@Manydesign]

It is covered

[@Flatlined804]

@@Manydesign No its not

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

@@Manydesign not from lg direct, not Costco, not Amazon, nowhere

[@jaclark45]

@@armandopacheco-soto3592 I’m pretty sure when I purchased my TV from Costco it came with an extended warranty. If that warranty covers screen burn it I’d have to read the fine print.

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

@@jaclark45 read directly from their websites or look it up online; they don't cover burn in.

[@Tarodenaro]

we're back to the 90's guys, we need screen saver again just like the CRT days.

[@MegaManNeo]

Flying Toasters are there to save the day!

[@realredfox]

OLED TVs have that, my Philips TV asks after like 12 hours runtime if it can start the cleaning procedure or it does it when in standby. And after 2 minutes of a static picture an actual screensaver kicks in. All my Smartphones since the Galaxy S1 had OLED screens, I don't get how people still think that this burn in or better said detoriation won't happen when displaying static images like OS elements. This is why I avoid the laptops with OLEDs, even though they look amazing.

[@Luxalpa]

I wonder if my license for the trains screen saver that I bought almost 20 years ago still works! Or if it still exists even :P

[@sammybli]

I am just now coming to the realization of why it's called a "screen saver."

[@Olivia-W]

@@realredfox It's funny because none of my phones since the S1 have any burn in. Not the S1, not the S4, J3, S7, and now on the S10e. Y'all seem to blast crazy brightness, use always on display, and avoid dark modes like the plague... That old S1 has zero burnt pixels. Zero. I do not understand how to produce AMOLED burn in in 3 years on the Samsung AMOLEDs. Or maybe I do, because anytime I see someone's else phone it blinds me with 100% brigtness eye-searing face punch.

[@darwangpie-whatlieshionsha4168]

Thanks for being honest, love your integrity.

[@Castleinferno]

This is why I keep my LG OLED as the secondary display, meant for gaming and content consumption with my IPS panel as normal PC functions.

[@PeskyWabbit.]

Yea oled isn't for "normal" people. It's for folks who watch high end content in dolby vision+dolby atmos. Burn is a non issue in movie consumption.

[@siliconinsect]

Exactly. For content consumption (this included) I'm still using a Pioneer Pro plasma.

[@javianbrown8627]

@@PeskyWabbit. It's for anyone who knows what they're getting and wants the things it specifically offers. "Not for normal folks is a gatekeeper" mindset

[@VeyronBD]

Its for people who can justify the bomb cost of buying a TV or monitor at huge cost knowing it will be guranteed e waste after a few years use.

[@ZenTunE-]

Yeah, I think a swivel based mount would be perfect. You have the main monitor in front of you and the the OLED on top. And then when you want to game on the OLED, you would just spin the mount and now the OLED would be in front of you and the main monitor on top. They wouldn't be on at the same time but you would always have it in an ideal position to look at. Idk, just a fun idea that I had :D

[@MasakoX]

You guys use F1 games a lot of the time, maybe it would be cool if you had one of the Canadian F1 drivers do a video challenge with you to make the ultimate racing sim.

[@rockyy09999]

Omg i used to watch your what ifs so much

[@Matteo-zd5ew]

@Lance @Nicholas

[@alfafabela4158]

It would be cool if linus collab with LatifiGOAT to make an ultimate racing sim 😮

[@Elijah-ed5xk]

Great idea from a great guy

[@enraversadi2903]

What are you doing here? I literally just came from one of your videos. I thought i was still on your channel!

[@Sandermander]

If you have issues with text looking wierd, its not the super resolution feature. It is the input tag switching back to "HDMI" icon by itself. To get the correct picture clarity you have to go to the Home screen of the TV, go to "edit" in the top right corner and switch the input type to "PC" with the pc icon. Then the picture will look normal. Its a common bug with this TV and is also required if you want proper Gsync and latency.

[@omgwat]

I don't think this actually does anything. All it does is change the icon when you go to select inputs. How does this even work? Why would changing the icon to PC make it look different?

[@BWTHeuSeD]

​@@omgwatit's a quirk of the CX, setting the icon to a "PC" disables a lot of the postprocessing that hurts PC use.

[@leking007]

​@@BWTHeuSeDit is the other way around on my samsung tv, setting it to console fixes the image issues i have when it is in pc mode. Interesting

[@lizichell2]

For how expensive they are the screen damage over time would be a deal breaker for me

[@CJBhattarai]

lol dude you will decide to buy another tv by the time you could notice a burn in that will affect your tv experience

[@lizichell2]

@@CJBhattarai the technology has probably moved on since I made that comment a year ago

[@matetarjanyi8168]

@@CJBhattarai I use TVs for 5+ years these have a burn in much faster…

[@CJW0056]

@@lizichell2 "burn in is a thing of the past" is what i heard when i bought my C7, guess what happened a few years later, and guess what phrase people are still repeating now, lol.

[@veilmontTV]

​@@CJW0056nothing else looks acceptable though

[@25RedButterflies]

With almost everything on screen being so static, an OLED as a PC monitor is probably the fastest way to get Burn In versus other daily or so uses. I would sweat every time, I could never..

[@kasakka]

I have used my LG CX 48" as a desktop monitor for over a year now. Zero burn in. That's about 8h usage 5 days a week for work and any personal use on top of that. But I do run dark mode where available, auto hide the taskbar, use a black background, use a screensaver and run it at about 20-30 OLED light setting which is more than bright enough for me. These are all one time setup mitigations that you don't even think of after a while. I don't expect this display to last me 5-10 years but I expect by the time it has issues I can replace it with whatever is the latest and greatest and still have spent less than some of the higher end LCD monitors on the market today.

[@chriswright8074]

@@kasakka if you owned a Android phone you would know about oled same thing applies

[@armdrk3233]

@@kasakka how can you even see with 20-30 OLED light unless it’s in a pitch black room? I find the CX super dim unless it’s 70 OLED light..

[@formulaic78]

I have used an LG B9 for 2 years as a second screen, used for gaming and movies. Maybe 4 hours of use per day. No issues, apart from a vertical band of pixels that shimmer every now and then in the same place, but goes away after turning tv off.

[@awesomeferret]

Finally, after years of being mocked, the few of us who thought about this for more than 5 seconds are slowly being vindicated by "more credible" sources. Nothing Linus has said here is new news, but it might be if you accidentally went all in on the OLED hype.

[@cmh0223]

Linus: “Eye searing…” Siri: “I’m not sure what you mean by that.”

[@nestormoctezuma4695]

Haha, this comments needs to be on top.

[@uptospeedofficial]

Hah

[@Erssa-438]

It comforts me knowing that even people like Linus have the same struggles working through monitor menus that I do.

[@nickwallette6201]

They really go out of their way to be terrible.

[@ulisesmora1282]

no fr, i thought i was a dumbass

[@echoo200]

Haha. Monitor settings are always terrible no matter what what brand

[@TheSkunkyMonk]

Its like a VCR, you just turn it on and deal with it how it comes out the box, much less painful that dealing with the OSD

[@benjamincoram7036]

@NimzyFPS I have an Asus monitor, and while the menus are better than my Samsung second monitor, it's still pretty shit.

[@notyou6674]

buying full price tvs and monitors that wont last a reasonable year of use is unacceptable

[@jackielinde7568]

Did Linus just go through puberty? His voice sounds like it's finally dropped. Good for you, Linus.

[@JOAOPENICHE]

It's a Simpsons reference

[@joshentertainment2]

He is 30 it is expected

[@fpcawolff]

probably a new microphone equalization

[@6gradosproducciones]

Linus: I invested a quarter million dollars on a company some days later Linus: Being an early adopter sucks

[@kristaps6241]

@Puji Astuti what

[@theonlybuster]

Definitely need more product follow ups, especially on positively reviewed products. They don't need to be this in depth, but at least quickly review the item and explain any differences in opinion over the timed duration.

[@a9udn9u-vanced]

Everytime when I'm itchy about getting an OLED tv as my monitor, I come back to this video

[@bobthecannibal1]

..."Here's an example that is so extreme that the DMV stopped having to even turn the TV on anymore" Well played.

[@arshan6760]

Explain

[@rolanie3727]

@@arshan6760 the line at the dmv never moves, so the ticker never has to update

[@ruekurei88]

Might not live in the USA or drive a vehicle.

[@mnpenner]

@@ruekurei88 The funny part is that nor does Linus. It's called ICBC in BC.

[@hhs_leviathan]

Efficiency 100

[@TheEclipsedLock]

Doctor: Deep voice linus doesn't exist, he can't hurt you video:

[@jasminesmiths6402]

AISURU.TOKYO/machiko?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧.*18 years and over 🍎🍑 *YOUTIBE: THIS IS FINE* *SOMEONE: SAYS "HECK"* *KZbin: BE GONE* #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@arz1898]

Sick linus: allow me to introduce myself...

[@nylohro4091]

It's the problem with reviewing products. Right out the box, first impressions shit could be great. But covering longevity and durability becomes a problem because well, you don't have time for that.

[@yukimurabrify]

Let's also remember that LG is a constant sponsor on Linus channel. I think, even though he might be trying to avoid bias, he should also disclose this info as a disclaimer.

[@pesty4592]

@@yukimurabrify that’s literally the entire purpose of the video

[@TheMxboy199]

@@yukimurabrify gotta start doing the garand thumb disclaimer

[@BenderdickCumbersnatch]

Yeah. Now that Linus has highlighted it, I hope we finally see an end to the "certain type" of stubborn customers who insist OLED has zero risks and were willing to argue that to death online. I will not buy any OLED, ever. Waiting on microLED instead, which is tiny LEDs that serve the same purpose without the downsides.

[@807D14M0ND5]

@@BenderdickCumbersnatch I'm counting on the warranty laws of my country if anything ever goes wrong. They're pretty great!

[@Viscte]

Make sure when using your OLED as a monitor you make the task bar auto hide, you use your web browser in full screen mode and get an extension for your chromium browser called scroll bars which allows you to hide them when browsing. In games, if you have the option make sure to hide your hud. Also it helps to set windows to high contrast dark mode. Set a screen saver to run after 30 seconds and if you must have a desktop background have it as a slide show or a moving one. As I've stated, Ive used my b7 for years as a monitor.

[@TheRandomshite123]

Or just don't use an oled as a monitor

[@Viscte]

@@TheRandomshite123 I've had an oled for years as a monitor. It's fine

[@TheRandomshite123]

@@Viscte yeah I'd rather not jump though hoops and lose functionality in order to have it not be useless within a year, like every phone I've ever had that was oled, all had youtube and notifications burnt in within a year

[@Viscte]

@@TheRandomshite123 I hide my bars and use my windows in Fullscreen mode and hide my game huds even when I'm not using OLED. My 77' OLED looks pretty damn good, much better than trash LED with washed out blacks. It must suck to not be able to afford nice things though.

[@Slaraffus2750]

Seems like jumping through a lot of hoops.

[@ChristianBrunschen]

Remember the old saying: "Screen burn-in is a Terminal illness."

[@JonathanLalrempuia]

Punny

[@UltimatePerfection]

Not if you use teletype!

[@id104335409]

Fun fact: you can get image retention on your eyes as well - just stare at something for a long time without moving and then look away.

[@yogetrekt8243]

or at anything bright

[@AluminumHaste]

I do that with closing my eyes and staring at the sun. The reddish glow gets progressively red, then when you open your eyes, everything has a strong blue tinge to it. Apparently it's caused by some colour receptors being overloaded and takes some time to come back.

[@SpunkyGo0se]

Yes I tried stating at the sun and now all I see is white

[@glenwaldrop8166]

@@yogetrekt8243 doesn't even have to be bright. Your eyes and brain auto adjust just like cameras today.

[@Redwan777]

It always happens to me. Sometimes I find myself daydreaming while staring at LED bulbs and when blink I see black dots shaped like the bulb

[@showsropper]

Linus: I am going to be careful about recommending a monitor going forward. Next episode: OMG! This is the best monitor and everyone should buy this!!

[@aa-tx7th]

whatever the next monitor to pay the bills is will be the next AmAZiNg TEcH. im not neccassarily knocking him for it, it's just how capitalism works. :( cause if our man is running his oleds enough to get burn out i can only guess how insane his light bills are lmao

[@jkasturias]

Felt that. I came away with the impression from those OLED videos that burn-in was not much of an issue anymore. A lot of less-savvy people will have felt that as well, and i am shocked to even think that until now, OLED is still going through first adopter hiccups as newer tech like microLED is emerging in the consumer space. Should’ve never recommended this for general consumer use w/o elaborating on the hassle AND the fact that LG OLED will last realistically only 1-2 yrs. Having to go through any of these hassles of managing burn-in is just an absolute deal-breaker, not everyone has the inclination or time, or even headspace to deal with that- im already anxious of a lot of stuff, i dont want to add my freaking monitor to the list of things I worry about. That OLED vid gets a retroactive dislike from me

[@florianviavi7679]

We like you for being an Early Adopter - you make money of our views and we save money from you . Keep it up!

[@maxheadrom3088]

Long story short: OLED is great for Home Theater.

[@Ghost79263]

No, content with black bars is likely to cause burn in, because the black bars dont wear the pixels but the movie does.

[@toad3222]

@@Ghost79263 so watch stuff with different aspects

[@RCmaniac667]

@@toad3222 no

[@peplegal8253]

@@toad3222 : What !? It seems you don't have the good habit of thinking before talking (typing).

[@peplegal8253]

And bad as monitor. But everybody nows that. The purpose of this video is to dismiss previous videos driving people to use OLED as PC monitor (stupidity, obviously).

[@88porpoise]

Thanks for this Linus. It doesn't affect me, but I always feel good when someone in the media steps forward and and admits their mistakes and works to correct them.

[@Grammostola]

Using an OLED tv as a monitor is basically playing into the inherent weaknesses of OLED. Always thought this was a bad idea.

[@t.c.b4722]

No doubt. I wouldn't even buy an OLED TV. Just knowing you have to baby your screen like that and still have to worry about ruining it is too much for me.

[@Nordlicht05]

I have a digital camera with oled.. ok pretty old Olympus. Burn in included... But only visible when the image is nearly dark but this thing do not run for hours like a monitor

[@dereksbooks]

I'm choosing Neo QLED instead for my new monitor.

[@Starfals]

Cool, but why everyone putting them into laptops then? Also many more monitors are coming with an OLED panel ;/

[@LaShYz1]

I've had an OLED TV for years, no issue. Your comment is very true though as a ckmp monitor yiu have lots of static icons etc

[@christopherwright9312]

12:38 I busted a stitch laughing at the Apple impression 😂

[@DaCarnival]

I've got a C9 and it's so beautiful. But whenever I connect it to a computer (or anything with a HUD) I'm super vigilant about turning it off as soon as possible, even for bathroom breaks. It's a TV, to be TV'd on.

[@HappySlappyFace]

Auto screen off : 1min

[@dredddomin3275]

@@HappySlappyFace 😂how bad that thing hahah

[@andresd270]

Or put an screensaver

[@voltaicfire1825]

That paranoia is exactly why i try to avoid OLED displays, it's distracting and not at all worth it to me.

[@randomdestructn]

@@voltaicfire1825 Same. I don't want to worry about them, and I don't want to have to replace them soon. Large displays can last a very long time, so why create extra garbage for a little better performance? My 65" LCD TV is from ~2010, and I have monitors from the late 2000s still in use. All my displays get used as computer monitors or media centres, so they've all had extensive use with static content.

[@PhilCobProductions]

KZbin's compression is absolutely murdering the dark images of the display in this video

[@jools993]

The subtle verge pc build video nod, with the "that's right, we've got it!" Made me breathe heavily out my nose.

[@mkvB58KING]

I've had a CX55 for a year. I use the panel for 12+ hours a day, most of the time is in Windows and the rest of the time is gaming and movies. I have zero burn in, and I've taken all the precautions to ensure it. I have a black screen set as a screen saver, activating in 1 minute of non use. Screen turn off is set to 5 minutes. I use an all black wallpaper, and TranslucentTB to make the task bar see through and keep it hidden. OLED brightness is set to 30 or less for most tasks, and only up to 80 for gaming/movies.

[@Crazyd_]

I've had Alienware laptop 13" R3 and only have it set for 15 minutes hibernate and a scroll of Steelers background/Black every 5 minutes and I don't have any burn in for 5 years now. Replacing laptop due to CPU age and low hard drive SSD space.

[@storm14k]

I can't deal with a product where I have to nurse it longevity. It'll drive me nuts constantly checking whether I'm causing damage and never enjoy using it. I'll barely use my projector for worrying about the bulb life and almost avoid my RC hobbies for worrying about puffing lipos lol.

[@mkports]

You probably also not have any pot plants or teflon coated pans at home ;) In seriousness, if you have a second lcd screen, you can just use the lcd for menial tasks like browsing and use the oled for games or movies. The CX I use has a black desktop, no icons and the task bar is hidden. Over 1.5 years in it is still in great condition. I also only turn up the brightness on rare occasions. On this note I also set up the tv to not receive too much interference with sunlight or reflections, this helps a lot. But I understand that not everyone has the leeway to plan it that way.

[@polycrystallinecandy]

I'd agree with you about using an OLED monitor, but worrying about projector life and lithium batteries? Dude, everything you use has a finite life. If you don't use it, it's just a waste. And often, you overestimate how fast things would degrade. It's better to use stuff normally, at least the first time around. Then if it dies too soon, you can replace it and recalibrate your usage pattern. Better than not enjoying anything ever.

[@storm14k]

@@mkports y'all think I'm joking. I do worry about wearing out my Teflon pans. This shit is debilitating. 😞

[@storm14k]

@@polycrystallinecandy man I'm not shittin you. I will get so obsessed over my phone and laptop battery health it's sometimes to even fun to use them.

[@beyondwhatisknown]

You need to get a cast iron pan and a bottle of flax oil and/or walnut oil. Just get that pan hot in a fire or a self cleaning oven, sand with steel wool, coat as thinly as possible with flax or walnut oil, and let set for a few days or let sit in a hot but not too hot oven for an hour until oil polymerization give a teflon like surface. You'll find it inexpensive and rewarding because you're making your own beautiful finish to cook on.

[@XionEternum]

Should've got Steve to do a quick cameo for a sarcastic, "I'm busy exploding more Gigabyte power supplies. Go bother Linus."

[@nextInsiders]

A true lost opportunity

[@Leoappeared]

That was actually a reference to intels last presentation not to the Steve you think about

[@mistere5857]

@@Leoappeared you missed the joke within the joke.

[@ronstewtsaw]

@@mistere5857 Or joke within a joke within a joke. It gets confusing.

[@TrueThanny]

@@Leoappeared It's actually both.

[@zyad48]

The "back to you, Steve" got me so good

[@georgf9279]

Yeah and Linus response was really … bad.

[@scarletspidernz]

It would have been funnier if Linus had a wig on to emulate Steve's hair and said "Thanks Wendell". Then took it off. Play into it Linus.

[@Wappie21]

I'm fairly new to the channel, can someone explain?

[@bestgirlyagoo800]

@@Wappie21 it's referring to steve from gamers nexus and the intel panel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ-xi2aeeM98rNU

[@Wappie21]

@@bestgirlyagoo800 thanks!

[@Omaricon]

I've seen this video before, and I'm watching it again. I bought an LG CX before Linus did. But to this day I still haven't experienced burn-in. It is my daily driver as a computer screen, and it is amazing. I believe the main issues here is that Linus didn't do the necessary prevention steps that are highly recommended for longevity. I mostly run my monitor at 50-75% where I enable HDR once in a while for movies, TV shows, and gaming.

[@DeekerJones]

10:00 They cannot void your warranty for using tech-menus, breaking warranty stickers, or any other sort of self repair unless they can prove, specifically, that it was your actions that caused the issue. Warranties, especially those included from a manufacturer by default with no willing agreement on the customers part, are not legally binding in a restrictive sense, only in a liability sense. They have the burden of proof if they want to violate the service contract. The mere act of servicing your device does not alone allow them to invalidate the warranty, regardless of whatever warnings or stickers they place on the device. These companies rely almost exclusively on the ignorance of the consumer in order to employ shady practices that would not be upheld in a court if someone was actually willing to take it that far. I realize the practical reality is somewhat askew of this technicality, but I always feel it is important that people be informed on these issues, because we should NEVER give these corporations an ounce of lenience on these matters because to do so only grants them the justification to take more and more without end. The fact of the matter is that yes, you CAN void your warranty by opening your device but NOT BECAUSE you opened your device. A small but insurmountable distinction.

[@X22GJP]

In the UK at least, it's pretty simple - consumer rights are law and trump warranties. As a consumer, you have the same right to free repair, replacement or refund (full or partial) regardless of whether or not you have an additional warranty in place. Additional warranties are just that, and unless they are included as part of the deal, I never buy them - they are a mugs game. The reason being twofold: 1) Consumer rights are adequate enough 2) As long as consumer rights are not affected, such warranties can (within reasonable limits) stipulate whatever terms they want. Proof of purchases notwithstanding, if you present a defective device within 6 months of purchase, the burden of proof is on the manufacturer to prove that it was not faulty when you purchased it. If you present a defective device after 6 months of purchase (but not after 5 or 6 years for Scotland and UK respectively) the burden of proof is on the you, the consumer, to prove that it was faulty when you purchased it. In both cases, this is regardless of whether the item was opened or serviced. Naturally, if there is a warranty sticker on, and it is broken, it can lead to technical complications and arguments, but the law is quite clear where the burden of proof lies. Therefore, if you present a defective device after 6 months and the warranty sticker is broken, good luck because the burden of proof is on you anyway. You'll be asked to prove that you did not cause the issue by your own actions, and that the issue was there from the start. On the other hand, if the manufacturers warranty clearly states that if the warranty sticker is broken, it voids their own warranty, you can't do shit about it. That won't impact your consumer rights, but it can have an impact on your ability to claim against a manufacturers warranty. So being pedantic, yes, you can void your warranty BECAUSE you opened your device. But, this statement only applies to manufacturer warranties if they choose to make that a clause.

[@Schule04]

Many TVs and monitors can be bricked by playing around in their service menus.

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

Just not true, their warranty covers what is says it covers and wording is always crafted by legal experts to not cover things like burn-in. They explicitly indicate how many dead pixels are considered acceptable, and the list of what they don't cover varies from company to company, and country to country. If you have screen burn in, they will not repair your TV. Having said that, I have purchased the extended warranty on every TV for at least 15 years. 8 out 10 TVs didn't make it past five years without major failures. All were repaired or replaced, Four were repaired AND replaced (failed more than once) and every replacement was an upgrade. The failure is nearly always the main board and complete loss of picture. Just had that replaced on my two year old 65" Samsung QLED along with the wireless card. I have also had the display fail multiple times (I.e. long ago, had a DLP unit fail and they upgraded by replacing with a plasma TV, had a different plasma fail, and that had a OLED screen suddenly display nothing but bars). I, obviously believe warranty is worth it, but also know it doesn't cover everything.

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

@@provisionalhypothesis Someone in imaginary land? TVs don't know "who" is logged on and they don't keep logs. Apps don't count.

[@asmosisyup2557]

@@trevorwesterdahl6245 It doesn't matter what they put in the warranty, consumer law still takes precedent. Unless you live in the US, where consumer laws are garbage.

[@canderson7776]

Yeah having a OLED as a monitor probably isn't the best idea if you're going to be using that monitor for work with a lot of excel windows or the like.

[@MMMHOTCHEEZE]

It's fine for that stuff, the problem is they're using it with the OLED Light set too high. Wendell says 60 is "conservative" but 30 and below is where it should be at if you're looking to prevent significant burn-in. I've been using mine for an average of like 16-18 hours a day since December. Web browsing, gaming, watching movies, graphic design, etc, and I've not experienced any discernible burn-in when using it.

[@canderson7776]

@@MMMHOTCHEEZE While true I would pass on it if I had to have the brightness that low. That said I love my C9 65" and would make the switch to a OLED monitor in a heartbeat if they just came in the correct size.

[@pr0xZen]

IMO OLED, in terms of staying clear of "burn-in", isn't great for practically anything that isn't watching movies. Or maybe relatively recent TV shows; Most networks have mostly done away with logo "burn-in" by transitioning to localized pixel or color shifts, slight and varying degree of opacity, or lens distortion effects. So it changes when the image "underneath" changes, meaning that area isn't significantly more likely to get "burn-in" than the rest of the display. There might still be some degree of "burn-in" if they botch it and set the opacity too high and use a static background/reverence color, but this is rare these days b/c the networks have understood the intended purpose well since the plasma days. But it's still something to be mindful if/when watching a lot of older shows and network content, as a fairly large part of it tend to be pulled from old network reels where the old static, brightly colored network logo is already applied in the recording. If watching a lot of news, the chyron can still be problematic though. OLED and its branches is still, inevitably, a compromise like any other tech. So is the emerging micro-led tech, although it's supposedly far longer lasting before "burn-in" is notable to the naked eye. Unless you're exclusively watching whole-display dynamic content, "burn-in" is just a fact of life with OLED. All we can really do is be aware and mindful of it, and make concious accommodations to limit the scope and bump up the timeframe, before noticable "damage" / degredation occurs. To many, this is an acceptable trade-off, vs the benefits. And especially for OLED _monitors,_ these still being stupidly expensive, the majority of its customer base have (relatively!) deep pockets for tech. They tend to replace hardware far more often than the average, and thusn are far more comfortable with "needing" to replace their monitor after 18-24-36 months. This customer segment is either making money off this stuff, or they're in the same boat if not the same people, who buy the Titans, 6900XTs, 3090s, 5950Xs or HEDT every 1-2 generation(s).

[@rodsillett5325]

@@pr0xZen I have mine at 25 for daily work and it it plenty bright enough. 60 is uncomfortable

[@davmatjo]

I literally have my oled brightness set to 0 to be honest, solid black desktop background, use dark mode where possible, and I place my windows fairly randomly around the desktop whilst avoiding snapping and so far I haven't noticed any burn in in over 8 months of very heavy usage

[@theondono]

I love my OLED tv, but I was still very nervous about using one as a monitor precisely because of burn in. This confirms my fears. Thank you for going to the trouble of checking it!

[@dedoyxp]

using it for watching esport is bad enough to make burn-in/ghosting

[@perschistence2651]

Oh man, I cannot keep this for myself, these guys have no idea what they are doing. I am using OLEDs for years as PC-Monitors, at the moment a 65-inch LG CX and I never had burn in. You have to know how to use your tools. Let me give you a guide: 1. Do NOT use a desktop wallpaper with an OLED, it is totally wasting the lifetime of the pixels for nothing. 2. Change the position of your task bar every week! Bottom, Left, Top, Right and so on.... 3. Don't disable your automatic brightness limiter. (I actually love the ABL, because otherwise I get headache when working with documents for a long time.) 4. Activate Pixel-Shifting 5. 80% or even 60% ,,OLED-Light" like mentioned in this video is way too bright on the desktop. I don't know how they work with this, I get a freaking headache. - Just use 30% brightness for daily desktop-use, 10% brightness with artificial light around you and 0% when working in the dark. (I use mine 8 -16h a day for work with no burn in!) - Of course, if you are watching movies, or playing games, then you can go to a higher OLED-Light setting. (Never use the brightness setting, use OLED light!) - If you don't know the best picture settings, use the SDR Settings RTings measured to be the most accurate. - I actually only go above 50% OLED-light when watching something in HDR. More is unnecessary for SDR-Content and wasting your display for nothing. 6. Always use dark themes where possible. - Dark pixels do not wear out OLED pixels at all, so why not using dark themes on the desktop... That way I never had burn-in even when using my OLEDs for years. Yes, for me, OLED is the best looking display technology, but you have to know how to use it right. I am still disappointed when looking at every other PC-Monitor against my OLEDs. When doubling the brightness of an OLED you quarter the lifetime. So using it at 20% brightness will increase the lifetime of your TV by about 16 times against 80% OLED-Light! So brightness is very important with OLEDs as a monitor!

[@edwardchester1]

@@perschistence2651 No. That number of hoops to jump through can gtfo.

[@Guru_1092]

@@perschistence2651 Yeah, no thanks dude. I'd rather just use an LED screen instead of that insane routine. Not worth it.

[@perschistence2651]

@@Guru_1092 haha, then you cannot be a part of the OLED master race. (Just kidding^^) - No, I actually adapted to it. I don't even realize anymore that I am doing it. But everyone have to decide for himself.

[@ryanfulkman]

3000 hours use on my cx48. Oled light set at 36. All safety measures in place. It's still solid so far.

[@Jordanfiend361]

Give it time

[@MMMHOTCHEEZE]

@@Jordanfiend361 8500 hours here, still perfectly fine. I don't even hide the windows task bar and I can't even see burn-in with the windows logo. If you set OLED Light low then the panel will last, period. Linus had his set way over 50 which is a big no-no, especially in applications where you expected static pixels. He should have known better tbh.

[@ryanfulkman]

@MMMHOTCHEEZE to be fair, Mr. Linus can afford to burn 1000 oled screens. I'm still happy with my cx48. And keep the oled light at 36 to preserve it. But it will be replaced soon with the new 42inch model when released.

[@Wegetsignal]

Bringing me back to the days when if I left the room, I'd switch my CRT off. Maybe paranoia- BUT I NEVER had visible burn in! And it was my only monitor for almost 9 years.

[@PaulV.]

They had a nice screen saver option for that back in the days :)

[@GamerWordDotNet]

OLEDs don't really get burn in, this is just clickbait for low-info tech wanna-bes.

[@musicjewell9329]

@@PaulV. Johhny castaway was the best screensaver

[@DoubleMonoLR]

@@GamerWordDotNet They "don't get burn-in" and yet you can see it for yourself in this video, and elsewhere. If you mean it's not technically 'burn-in' this is explained in the video anyway. Ironically I can't remember ever having a burn-in problem with any CRT I had, though I can remember seeing some pretty severe cases on some very old CRTs(generally monochrome) - though those tended to display the same thing for immense periods of time.

[@TheRandomshite123]

@@GamerWordDotNet Then explain how the keyboard on all three of my old phones (that used amoled) have burnt in to the point of keys being visible on a white background

[@TurnaboutAdam]

Glad you’re bringing this up. I spent a little extra to get a 5 year warranty including burn in for my LG CX.

[@GeneralJarrett1997]

Same, haven't had any issues after almost a year in but given the burn in chance, spending a bit more to make sure you can get a replacement is worth it.

[@Clockwork-Shadow]

Ditto, did the same thing with a burn in warranty through best buy. Now if my screen burns, which I've already taken precautions to make sure it's not likely to happen, then I'm still covered. Either way, I win.

[@stephenbrown2367]

LG has tech support that doesn’t follow through with warranty claims I heard.So yea get you’re 5year warranty and wast that money 💰

[@GeneralJarrett1997]

@@stephenbrown2367 Best Buy warranty covers burn in

[@one_shot07]

'Being an Early Adopter SUCKS' was the og title btw

[@andy-v]

Wow, what has it changed to?

[@videogaminbiker889]

@@andy-v you'll find out in the future

[@mackan072]

@@andy-v They tend to clickbait initialle - and then retroactively change the titles to be far more representative of the content. It's not a perfect solution, but given how shit the KZbin algorithm is if you don't clickbait, it's honestly the best I think we can reasonably get.

[@MCXL1140]

@@mackan072 they cycle sample titles and measure click through.

[@flamingfoxfortnite5043]

yep

[@cameronpavelic500]

I have 6000 hours of use on my LG C9 that I got two years ago-I use it for all my pc games and movies-and I have zero burn in. Literally all this can be avoided if you just turn off the TV when you’re not actively using it. When I go take my dog for a walk, I turn off the tv. Bathroom? Turn off TV. Getting a drink? Turn off the TV. You get the point. Yes, it’s lame you can’t just leave it on like you would for most screens, but you’re saving yourself money by taking that extra care to get the most out of your purchase.

[@craigf2137]

My c1 is coming soon. Switched the roku screensaver to black screen after 1 minute lol. I wonder if i can go shorter

[@shadowbl4zer]

@@craigf2137 after my experience, and having burns ins on my c9 I can proudly sy, half an hour is the sweet spot i f your brightness is not on 100%

[@raptorhacker599]

OLED still has too short lifespan lol doesnt matter wtf you do, the pixels burn away as they are used so maximum life you can get with heavy use is a couple years.

[@mikemcmike6427]

@@craigf2137 just got mine a week ago a C1 it’s great

[@mikemcmike6427]

@@GloomDept lol like the sega genesis game lol?

[@grandetaco4416]

This reminds me of the commercials for TVs back in 80s. They would boast about how much better the display was on a their new TV while you watched it on your crappy old TV.

[@PinkAgaricus]

lol Those ads sound like they belong on a display unit display/tv of that model in the store not played on national/international tv. Do they still do this though, which is counterintuitive?

[@hunterlong1820]

@@PinkAgaricus well of course they do lol

[@specific_pseudonym]

Heh, yeah, though while I probably wouldn't notice burn-in within 12 months as easily as Linus (or at least, I wouldn't care about it as much) I would expect a more expensive monitor to last as long or longer than my current LCDs, which have been chugging along just fine for the past 8-10 YEARS. Sounds like they could potentially end up being worse than said monitors after a fraction of that time.

[@crusaderanimation6967]

@@specific_pseudonym 8-10 ? Pathetic i just read your comment on 5:4 LG flatron from April 2006 and only issue is one column of green sub pixels is always turned on, but i don't care that much since it's just support for my also LG flatron (but another model 16:9) from 2009. To be honest and fair i don't even remember from where/who i got this 5:4 so i can't tell milage and 16:9 one is from my brother and idk how much he used it a day.

[@specific_pseudonym]

@@crusaderanimation6967 lol, I had a monitor from 2007 with the same issue, but got rid of it several years ago because I got a few 27" 1440p monitors for free :)

[@PookDaWook]

11:10 I think they do a good job balancing the nitty gritty stuff with being casual and wide-appealing. But especially videos like showcases could use a bit more analysis to balance out the marketing points. More testing equipment is cool, even for normies I bet. Buy them all!

[@paulweston8184]

I'm confused about your wording. You start the sentence with "Bet especially videos like showcases..." What do you mean by "videos like showcases"? Do you mean "showcase videos?" What type of cool testing equipment would you like to see him use on an LG C-series OLED monitor? A thermal imaging device? A multimeter? It's a monitor.

[@ArmandXP]

I have an LG OLED55C6P with 13,600 of use on it. I guess that’s around five hours of use a day for seven years. The TV still looks fantastic! If I do leave a menu on for an extended period of time, it does show some image retention, but it goes away pretty quickly. I’ve only used this tv to watch movies and shows. No computer monitor usage. It’s been the best tv I’ve had in the last 35 years.

[@danieldavis3035]

The only thing I would ever use an OLED screen for is streaming movies or DVD's with a constant changing picture. NEVER for work or anything that uses a continuous task bar, Logo, etc.

[@pogtuber5146]

This video is clickbait bullshit. Linus doesn't even show WHERE the screen is burned in.

[@bickyboo7789]

@pogtuber5146 he literally shows it at the beginning of the video. You can see a horizontal line about halfway down the monitor.

[@willd2274]

I have the C6, is it the curved one? Mine is fucked with burn in and I have hardly used it during its life as I am away with the military alot.

[@plamenski5244]

Some useful info here, thanks Linus 👍 So far my 2.5 year old 65 inch C9 has been great and I haven't had to deal with any burn in/img retention. I game 70%-75% of the time on it and the rest is 4K blu-rays and streaming shows & KZbin. I've only done the manual pixel refresher 2-3 times in total, I mainly try to avoid excessive brightness (vivid modes, ultra high brightness settings, etc) and it seems to have helped so far. Keep up the good work 🤘😎

[@drunkhusband6257]

Then how do you see anything? Even at 100% brightness the LG oleds aren't that bright. I see people online at like 50% brightness and you literally can see nothing in any dark scenes and everything is totally washed out.

[@plamenski5244]

@@drunkhusband6257 its plenty bright in my dark room. I even wear blue light protective glasses after a couple hours to protect my eyes from getting fatigued and itchy. I keep my OLED Light at around 75, my brightness at 50 and contrast at 78. Works really well for me plus I hate overly bright displays, they remind me of all the crappy lcds and leds I used to sell at Magnolia HT & Best Buy back in the day

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@plamenski5244 You must like looking at a cave then with brightness at 50. When I adjusted settings even with oled light at 100, since I didn't see any "brightness" setting that you are talking about, was still super dark.

[@GamerWordDotNet]

Linus isn't really providing useful info. He negligently trashed his TV that he received for free and is now pretending like this happens to everybody for a clickbait video. I'm embarrassed for him.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@GamerWordDotNet If a TV can't last more than a year or two it's trash...period

[@mintystellar4268]

The way that Wendell said "I love OLED" at 12:50 just reminded me so much of "I love refrigerators"

[@jassi9022]

"I love helmets"

[@tanmaygupta6751]

@@jassi9022 ikr

[@RJ_Cormac]

I like turtles

[@BeHempy]

I got a CX for my living room and it's been great. I ALMOST got the 48" for my office setup but ended up deciding that I didn't want to deal with potential issues using it on my PC since it would see tremendous amounts of use. Ended up getting the AORUS FV43U for the office and couldn't be happier. This video confirms my decision.

[@Ryne4S]

nice pfp

[@josebracho7345]

Hey i know you! You're the nhentai dude

[@PabzRoz]

The FV43U is so sick. Imagine if it had an IPS panel? Oh man that would be mouth watering.

[@BeHempy]

@@PabzRoz Na because half of what makes this panel great is the contrast. The HDR is great even compared to my CX. I was nervous trying it out since I've had bad experiences with VAs in the past. This one is hands down the best I've ever used. Pretty much no ghosting or blurring in game. I only see it if I run tests and really try and spot it. It's great.

[@liambergstrom8183]

@@BeHempy sighs in CG437K ghosting on deep blacks, grates are my enemy

[@Kippy8472]

I've been daily driving a 55" cx, I agree with the dimming issue. Could be in the middle of a game and it will just auto dim like it's turning off. Low-key annoying. No complaints otherwise. It's amazing.

[@distion]

that makes me happy to hear. I just got a CX a few months ago and I've honestly been a little scared to use it out of fear of burn-in

[@joseywales7463]

Is there a way to turn off auto dim?

[@Kippy8472]

@@joseywales7463 yes there is but doing so increases the chances of image burn in. I just left it as is.

[@Krigalishnikov]

At 100 OLED brightness and 80 contrast I get 0 dimming in my C7.

[@Kippy8472]

@@TooUnskilled ahh sounds legit. No amd drivers here, I have a nvidia card. Pretty sure it's just the tv's ai responding to dark scenes etc It's most noticeable on the new Diablo 2, very dark game. The tv actually thinks you are afk and dims the image further. I'm sure it's just a setting I have to find 😅 Thank you for your response 👍

[@secularteejay]

We have the same TV. LG CX but mine is 55 inches. Been using it for a PC monitor for about 9 months now. I use it mostly for watching streams on Disney+ and HBO Max. Haven't seen a hint of burn in. Tips for what I do include: Lower OLED light (mine is 27). Use in dark room. Desktop background = solid black. Hide desktop icons. Do not put windows in full screen and move them every so often. Auto-hide on the windows taskbar.

[@Neoxon619]

Oh yeah, I remember Linus talking about this on WAN Show. Glad to see this video actually happen.

[@volx882]

Did I ask though

[@slckb0y65]

i'm so glad linus finaly managed to hit puberty

[@alphalp.4454]

Im gonna miss sqeaky toy linus

[@gaudi1977]

I got burn in and LG replaced the entire screen for me, and it was 6 months out of warranty. Was really impressed with their support.

[@ross-carlson]

My LG is burned to FUCK and they told me to fuck off. 3 months out of warranty. In the trash it went, NEVER again.

[@zantesh]

@@ross-carlson make sure you get the 5 year warranty with a reputable store. I got my c9 with a 5 year warranty and it got a central burn in patch after 1 year. The store (Curry's pc world) swapped the panel for a CX panel. So far it's been 1 more year and no problems. Buying a 48 c1 oled soon and it's tempting to get a 1 year warranty model for 939. But I'd rather just go back to Curry's for 999 and 5 years of assurance.

[@bobbybuckley8702]

@@zantesh did they give you a brand new cx or just the panel replacement? Also wait for the 42" c2 that just got announced if you plan on using it for pc use

[@cmartin7052]

@@ross-carlson Yikes, sorry to hear that. I haven't bought a TV in 7 yrs (I see a lot has changed). I'll just get a Samsung. People are paying thousands of dollars for this?

[@gaudi1977]

@@bobbybuckley8702 replaced the panel

[@Bigtymer781]

I bought an LG C3 Oled 48-inch, almost 2 months ago. I use it as a daily PC monitor (6-8 hours a day). So far so good.

[@oldtimer666]

Me too using a lg c3

[@maidenfan]

As an Oled owner the pixel shifter is only usefull for ghosting (temporally image retention), once you get burnin there is no solution for that.

[@johnwinter2252]

I'd like a refund on my bigtitiesuno subscription please.

[@ford1546]

Burn in or ghosting is uneven wear. oled and plasma where weather bixel is its own light will always no matter what factory says get uneven wear or gohsting / burning. On this type of monitor this will always be a problem you can never get rid of! LCD. Technology is by far the best screen technology overall

[@xeridea]

Sure there is a solution. Buy a new one!!! They already have ways to make you buy other new gadgets regularly, now the cash technology has expended to monitors!

[@alfrredd]

cries in OnePlus 7 pro notification icons burned in. OP service said it was user fault so it's not covered by warranty.

[@cosmin.mic7]

yes, I think Linus experienced pixel retention, not pemanent burn-in

[@zurloonthego9408]

I’ve been daily driving with a CX OLED for a year now. One thing that has REALLY helped- using Wallpaper Engine with the RGB Japanese Clock w/Spacing wallpaper. It’s basically a scrolling “Matrix Style” wallpaper that constantly refreshes pixels as in “rains” down the display, changing characters each time it does. I’ve also enabled hiding the taskbar…and making sure I don’t have windows sitting open static too long. I’ve only had to use the Pixel Refresher a couple times for an icon I accidentally left on it (have all my icons on a secondary monitor), and so far it’s been the best monitor I’ve ever used.

[@DasArmageddonTV]

Sounds like a lot of work just to make sure that the display doesn’t die

[@hermanlau4431]

Searched that thing after I read your comment, how can you use it without feeling in a horror movie everyday? It's a very unsettling wallpaper.

[@Vilmar22]

How are icons a problem? I'm always using one thing or another in full screen, the desktop is rarely seen and only when I have to open something else. What am I missing?

[@jonathancarranza6046]

@@Vilmar22 when the monitor is 48 inches you don't always use fullscreen so some icons might be constantly on display.

[@float32]

Black is the only thing that doesn’t damage the pixels, since they’re being damaged whenever they’re on.

[@MarmaladeSally]

I have an LG C9. I recommend using an all black wallpaper, hiding the taskbar until the cursor is brought down to the bottom as well as hiding desktop icons. Also turn the TVs screen saver to black with the dancing icon vs the default colorful wallpapers. I have zero noticeable burn in.

[@aberkae]

I personally use dark mode in everything on my cx 48 incher.

[@mstyle2006]

Or you can just have the screen off

[@thirivikramanveeramani6937]

How long u have been using ??

[@MarmaladeSally]

@@mstyle2006 I do turn it off when leaving the room for more than 5 mins or so. You should do all of the above. Small price to pay for all the upsides of OLED.

[@MarmaladeSally]

@@thirivikramanveeramani6937 Around 2 years. I’m also good at turning it off when not in the room. I also don’t edit video like Linus. Purely PC gaming and I’d say I’m a moderate user.

[@timtim2949]

I can’t convince myself to get an OLED with these issues still being very prominent. My current LCD TV is 12 years old and has no issues whatsoever. I’m willing to spend big on an upgrade to 4K 100Hz on my next one, but I’m not spending thousands on a television only for it to wear out within a few years: that’s absolutely unacceptable to me.

[@Arnseto88]

Facts I’m in the same boat

[@robosergTV]

this burn in effect is overblown. If you only watch movies of play games on it it will be fine. Burn in is only when you 24/7 PC usage

[@enfado23]

I've had 2 different LG OLEDs since early 2016, one I gave to my parents as they needed a new TV (both TVs are in perfect working order still). I have had no issues with burn in, you just need to be aware of what can cause it and what to avoid doing. Don't use an OLED TV as an everyday PC monitor, and don't leave it on the same TV channel which has very bright static logos, for 12 hours every day. In my experience, only extreme types of usage would cause burn in.

[@jonathaningram8157]

I got my oled and sales and was disappointed in a few things but now I can say it was totally worth it for gaming at least. For movies weirdly I'm not that convinced.

[@enfado23]

@@jonathaningram8157 Bit surprised to hear that, with movies it should be stunning! Have a deep look into picture settings, as the default settings will most likely not be ideal, and remember that in theory different settings get saved for each input source - e.g. for gaming you might want things set differently. Even in recent times after having an OLED for years, i have tweaked some of the settings to suit different things

[@Stealther]

Can't wait for Micro LED and the eventual "NanoLED" to come to maturity

[@mrcupofcoffee]

I would love to see a break down of comparing medical imaging screens like for radiologists and such because I've seen they are about 2 to 3 inches thick obviously designed to stay in monochrome 90% of the time but still seem to cost quite a pretty penny......why?

[@ThurstanHethorn]

Some of them have 10-12bit graduation grey levels very highly calibrated and stable. To achieve this they can have two layers of lcd. This not only requires precision alignment, but more light to get thru and also provide HDR and long stable use perhaps even 24hrs a day. So many more leds backlight probably of higher spec in terms of stability in light output and then a chunky heat sink to keep it at a reasonable temp. Add on it is a specialty device not mass market, that it is being sold to less price sensitive market and has additional quality control measures, r&d and support that is where the cost goes.

[@4444genral]

@@ThurstanHethorn Don't forget the additional 50% markup for FDA approved devices because where the hell else would they be able to get it?

[@dirething]

Commercial panels have much more heavy duty backlights and power supplies because they are rated for much larger duty cycle over a longer time and also are designed to be more easily repaired by replacing components. That explains the size. The cost difference beyond the commercial panels cost is due to it being a medical device. Between the FDA approval and the additional liability up to 90% of the cost is the insurance and approval submission overhead not the cost of the product itself.

[@rogerwilco2]

@@craigape I don't know about displays, but I have known doctors who can see details in old fashioned x-ray photographs that I would never pick up on.

[@ThurstanHethorn]

@@craigape I can’t speak to how much it helps with diagnosis. There is certainly difference in quality visual between cheap or even reasonably priced and high end displays. How some blow out areas loosing detail or drop off into black. I’d say more of the money pays for a display that has solid picture quality running perhaps up to 24/7 for years without fault. In critical areas that is worth more money. Particularly if they don’t have the IT people available to deal with faults. Having said that my uncle a retired doctor saw a crush fracture of my mum’s back that was not seen by the technician of gp and he was 70 and was holding an X-ray up towards a Fluro room light in our house. So yes I’d say at least the technician would have seen it on a fancy screen and it didn’t matter because she didn’t know how to look.

[@ejim941099]

“Hey, we need to make a content video” “But we are out of ideas” “What about a video of Linus going through menus?” “No one will watch that”

[@awesomeferret]

Sometimes purposefully missing the point can make for good comedy, but I would argue that doesn't work well here. Apparently 147 (and counting) people disagree with me though.

[@gerbenvanderbliek7448]

Often, a joke wich touches the truth makes for good comedy, i think that s the case here, 199 ppl agree with me

[@julesvanlaar]

I'm coming up at 3 years with my LG C1 Oled and see no evidence of burn-in. I've even got some safety settings turned off (I don't have the screen dimming after a certain time), I have OLED brightness at 100. I have of course been aware of the potential of burn in since before I bought it. I use it as a pc monitor for gaming, youtube and admin work (mostly spreadsheets) and Netflix/Prime/Disney+. I have it turn off after two hours of no rc input, can be annoying but small price to pay. I almost always turn it off when I leave the room. If I do leave the room and want it to stay on I have it playing a youtube playlist or media playlist. In case I forget to turn it off when I leave I have a video screensaver that comes on after 5 minutes that has several hours of footage of a variety of games I played and recorded. Also I don't watch cable news. Maybe I just got lucky or the C1 has some improvements over the CX in some areas.

[@aperson1157]

I have also been using a 48" OLED as a monitor for work/general desktop use (and gaming) for a couple of months now. I have reached almost 700 hours on the panel without any hint of burn-in or image retention. But Linus has seen quite bad image retention in a similar time frame, after 541 hours. Looking at the service menu, I see that only 35 compensation cycles have been completed on Linus' TV. That suggests it's either being left on for an average of 15½ hours a day or is being powered off at the mains at times, rather than being left on standby. Either of those things will prevent the short compensation cycles from running. The TV tries to run those after every 4 hours of accumulated use. At nearly 700 hours of usage, my TV has run 120 compensation cycles - averaging out to one every ~6 hours. I am in the habit of turning off the screen when I walk away to get a drink or stretch out, etc - which is enough time for the short compensation cycle to run (it takes about five minutes). I think that is the most likely reason Linus has seen bad image retention, while I have not. As for the panel brightness changing when you move windows around or maximize them: That typically means the ABL is kicking in because you've got the screen brightness set above 150 nits. The ABL dims the display when the power draw is too high, to protect the panel - and it cannot be disabled. I keep all my screens set to 100 nits or less (below 40 OLED pixel brightness), which means that the ABL will never activate in SDR. In HDR, Windows' HDR/SDR brightness balance should be set to 5/100 for 100 nits (17/100 for 148 nits). I have also disabled the ASBL via the service menu (TPC/GSR) since that will dim the entire screen if it does not detect enough movement - and is very intrusive in HDR.

[@bass2092]

Thank you very much for your tips! I'm saving for an OLED :)

[@deama15]

I've made a script hotkey that allows me to set different brightness levels for my desktop, that way whenever I go for a piss I blank the entire screen black, or when I'm browsing I reduce the brightness a lot because I don't need it that bright. Also lol, I have over 5300 use hours on mine and I've only had it for a bit longer than a year.

[@F0RM4T]

@A Person Thanks a lot! Also saving for an OLED

[@F0RM4T]

@@deama15 This sounds great, could you share the script please? Or is it peripheral hardware dependent?

[@t.c.b4722]

Why in God's name would anyone want to pay a large premium for something you have to baby like that? If I'm paying that kind of money, I want to be able to use my monitor for as long as I want, however I choose to use it. You know, like an LCD panel. I'm simply not willing to make those compromises. I don't care how good the picture is. OLED will never overcome these issues.

[@slickslabmcknabful]

I'm glad that we're back to square one with the "burn in" problems that older plasma televisions had years ago...and before that.....CRT's. Even the way the OLED "fixes" the problem is the same way that plasmas did. BURN IT ALL EVEN.

[@JuffoWup78]

Every time serious talks happen with OLED, I keep hearing vibes of plasma returning. The amazing picture quality over lcds (note, we are talking og lcd, not the led lcds of today), but also the problem of funky resolution (subpixels were in a bar arrangement instead of the circular dot of lcd) and burn in.

[@robertt9342]

LCDs sub pixels are bars...

[@JuffoWup78]

@@robertt9342 Not like plasma had them. Plasma tvs had some really oddball resolutions and effects when hooked up to a pc due to the arrangement.

[@RaskusPOL]

Latley LTT videos have +20% more humor in openings and I like it. Keep it up. Nice

[@b5a5m5]

8:25 "That's right, We've got it" Flashback to verge computer build

[@TaireTV]

Was looking for this

[@robertthomas4633]

That "back to you Steve" made me crack up 😂

[@TacComControl]

My old man was a very early adopter of the LCD monitor. Even then, he bought a cheap one. 4x3, 1024x768, the whole nine yards. He never turned his system off(startup times annoyed him. They annoy me too, but yay for modern SSDs and windows being significantly faster, so much faster that safe mode booting with a function key is a pain in the butt). By the time I got him a new monitor, the screen was so badly burned in, and I do mean burned in, not just image-retention'd, that the screen filter itself had a visibly lightened Start Menu bar across the bottom of the screen, in full Windows XP theme and all. Obviously not in Color, but you get the idea. You could, even when the monitor was recycled, see a blurry XP logo and bar, unplugged and fully discharged. That thing got COOKED. Mind you, it was probably not helped by the fact that monitors back then used CCFL backlighting. And it's genuinely amazing that the CCFL bulb in his monitor never blew. Also the refresh rate was legendarily terrible, so much so that the mouse left trails across the screen(and no, the effect wasn't on) that would stay around for about a good two to three seconds before fully fading away. Mind you, this was not an OLED, this was just... old ass LCDs.

[@asbjo]

Neat story. Though I should add that that his CCFL backlight probably didn't blow because it was never really power cycled. Striking the arc in the tube is what usually is most degrading for the electrodes.

[@TacComControl]

@@asbjo makes sense, if I'm honest. A lot of bulbs will degrade not based on the amount of time they're left on, but the amount of times they are turned on and/or off. LEDs do the same thing, albeit for slightly different reasons.

[@mrkitty777]

That's incredibly badass 🤔

[@flyingfrog7847]

Why are you telling all of this? Is there a point to the story of your old man buying a monitor once?

[@asbjo]

@@flyingfrog7847 The point is probably that the longevity of the monitor was impressive. And it is a neat story in context to the video. And let me turn the question around: What is the point in you questioning the point of the story?

[@CaliberBlue]

I just bought my very first OLED TV (55” LG B2) for our living room, and I’ve been having a lot of anxiety about it burning in, especially because I use it for PS5 gaming mostly, and this video has helped me feel much better about it. It seems like the modern newest OLEDs only have major issues when they’re used as a main monitor. I really love mine. I’m so glad I bought it!

[@43SunSon]

I am thinking about lg c2 42 as my pc monitor..... but i am kinda backing off now due to this buring out thing

[@tsubarider13]

I bought my 55 b2 a few days ago too. Hope this never happens. I'm using mine mostly for movies.

[@RonkR6]

I have the same TV and gotta say, for the $1000 I paid for it, the 55" 4K 120Hz OLED display is definitely worth it.

[@sizzlack095]

@@43SunSon same. it would be my main monitor and i sit hour on hour sometimes even 15h on it i think its to risky

[@constantingeorgiu268]

@@43SunSon I've been using a CX as a monitor since release date for 3 years exclusively with HDR but with BFI on at 4k 120hz. Zero burn in so far. Its On 12 hours a day.

[@HarithBK]

Oled for your computer is your second/third monitor. it is the one you view content on and play games on and then turn off when not used. my dad got a B7 it is now 5 years old i would guess and has tons of hours on it no issue so far on it and still going strong. what linus is using it for i just can't recommend a normal person dose. but 100% get an oled once your main monitor situation is done.

[@MechAdv]

My C10 is a year old. Zero image retention and I check it religiously. I follow your advice exactly. My trusty old Dell 27” TN gaming monitor is now my work station, and the C10 is my content-only display. It helps that my desk is in my living room though, and the TV pulls double duty for streaming services and games.

[@nathanrogers8040]

I have a 65 b7, gaming for literally 18 hours a day has happened but I do all of my watching and gaming on it (just not as a work monitor). Not one sliver of a burn in since 2017. Will likely use the rumored 32 or 42 oled as my next monitor. will not surf the web on it but consume media and video games on it. I will use my current 27" monitor as my "daily driver"

[@chunkstar121]

@@nathanrogers8040 i had a b7 and it burned in from watching telly im now in my third tv. i just got the c1 55. best tvs around but they do suffer from burn in.

[@trashbeansoup2467]

According to the sales guy in my local store "It isn't a problem". When I pointed it out on his display Samsung tablet. What I find amazing is that people don't see it, or simply ignore it, like most defective products.

[@StraidGaming]

its a display so its on 24/7 displaying the same store promo images of course itll have burn in. Been using a c9 for daily use for 2 years now as pc monitor, absolutely still perfect

[@Luxalpa]

It's fanboyism. The same reason people still defend everything that Trump does.

[@orti1283]

Anyone with a samsung phone or tablet knows it's real. I have burn in all over the place in my S7, but it doesn't affect its main function because well...it's a phone, so it doesn't bother me at all. On the other hand, the idea of getting burn-in in my TV terrifies me because we paid a hefty price specifically to watch stuff on it

[@Olivia-W]

@@orti1283 Actually, no. I had the S1, S4, J3, S7, and now S10e. None of them had any burn in ever for me. Nothing. Zilch. I just tend to keep my brightness low, and find most people's brightness settings to be way, way, waaaay too bright for me. I also love dark modes and enjoy white on black text.

[@JDuhoh]

@@StraidGaming Your mileage may vary - I have a friend with burn in all over their screen. Either you are lucky or he is unlucky - but burn-in/out is very much an issue that affects OLED.

[@RishuKumar-zo2hc]

The "back to you, steve!" Never dies Love it. Damm if only gn were to see this.

[@LalaFafa]

It would have been a nice touch if they inserted Steve from Gamer's Nexus for a few lines after that, following "thanks Steve" and getting back to Linus

[@splatters2000]

Had my CX for over a year as my main PC monitor with absolutely no issues. I use it about 8 hours a day. I do everything in windowed mode because I have the 55". I have a screensaver set for 5 minutes (the nice ribbons that wave across the black screen. I have it set to turn off the monitor after 2 hours of no activity. I use the logo compensation. I don't use pixel shift because it screws up the image. My desktop color is set to black. I use the pixel refresher 1-2 times a month.

[@WheeledHamster]

It's a TV and these numbnuts decided to use it as a monitor then make a video complaining about burn in.

[@PedroMoraisPortnoy]

When you say you do everything in windowed mode, are you actually saying you just use part of the screen and the rest is just black/off? The part you use is not dimmer/less bright than the rest if you test with a solid color?

[@malice926]

Linus> "OMG MY OLED HAS BURN IN!" Me> "Is that a Stein's Gate world line clock?"

[@cyan6883]

literally my reaction exactly

[@LukeLockwood]

Ayyy

[@AlexDavidChristian]

That's a nixie tube

[@malice926]

@@AlexDavidChristian well aware, but the design may be based on something in an anime called Steins Gate.

[@tokeeptrackofrandomsubs5899]

@@malice926 The influence might also have been the other way around, those nixie tubes are very old technology. Those tubes in a wooden frame was probably one of the vintage styles that were used, the anime might've copied those. Regardless if this design was inspired by the antiques or the some new anime thing I'd consider it a neat decorative item with a useful function.

[@IamDefiantx]

ive witnessed linus drop everything from GPU's and Laptops, so glad to finally see linus drop his balls.

[@blissfuldj7627]

If he ever reads mean comments again, this is now my favorite

[@satzmann666]

You dont actually need "special service remote" to access the service menus and screens. If your phone has IR you can use an app (not sure which one is it, but its pretty easy to find) to trigger the same menus and stuff.

[@Lunyaaaa]

That’s good to know for those 12 people using phones with IR blasters in 2021.

[@Mopantsu]

Or one of those learning remotes. I turned off auto dimming on a 2016 model LG OLED using one.

[@Smirnoff67]

@@Lunyaaaa guess i'm part of these 12 people ..

[@hetrickgful]

@@Lunyaaaa guess I am also one of those people with ir blaster on my 2021 TCL 20 Pro 5g.. missed having ir blaster on my phone

[@n3kk1d69]

@@Lunyaaaa i mean you could buy an Galaxy S5 for like 20 bucks off ebay and use that... and while you at it, install Lineage OS on it. So now youll have an old S5 but with Useable modern Android. So a second phone in case you damage yours. AND a Remote for every IR System

[@Zayakov85]

Don't be intimidated by the burn-in issue with OLED screens. It's mainly a concern for TVs where you can't control if there are static images or logos. In such cases, opting for Mini-LED or QLED TVs would be more prudent. The lifespan also depends on how much you watch TV. If it's just three to four hours a day, an OLED TV should last a few years. However, for heavy users like my mother, who watches ten hours a day, an OLED wouldn't be advisable. At my workplace, someone had three screens constantly displaying the same ad, resulting in burn-in and a blurred image. While the LG C1 is excellent, its longevity depends on usage. I occasionally use it for gaming or watching KZbin. It's wise to invest in the service remote early on to address the screen's frequent dimming. A balanced brightness setting, like 50% screen brightness, 30% pixel brightness, and 100% contrast with HDR, has served me well over the years. For optimal use of your PC, it's important - at least in my experience - to either keep the desktop completely black or use images that alternate at regular intervals. Use a variety of different images to ensure diversity. It's best to avoid having any icons on the desktop altogether. If you do want to use icons, I recommend moving them regularly. Personally, I don't have any icons on my screen. During work, I copy them back and forth, then place them in their respective folders afterward. This keeps my desktop mostly empty. I've moved the recycle bin and some important folders to the taskbar to make them more easily accessible. As a result, my screen is mostly completely black (the mouse can disappear entirely at the edge) as if it were turned off! These habits have proven effective and help extend the lifespan of my LGC1. ,👍😃