2024 Mustang S650 TUNING!!! - Darkhorse vs Mustang GT

Join us for a peak behind the curtain on the new S650 Mustang GT and Darkhorse cars. Thanks to HP tuners, we can now look at the stock tuning files to see what is new and different and more importantly know the stock limits set by Ford. Since we can not flash the cars yet, this is a great insight to see how far we can push them before tuning the car is possible
#S650 #MustangGT #Darkhorse #2024Mustang

[@Surferguy09]

Ken you know people are haters...thanks for the breakdown. I am pushing 100k on my bullitt you guys tuned for me from 300 miles not a problem what so ever good job

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

Does it take them a long time to reply? How is the customer service

[@deathscythehell7937]

@@utahcountypicazospage5412 Tell me about it, I ended up sending my cars to a tuner in Indiana and I live in Florida.

[@paulhudgins5120]

Awesome job Ken, great collection of data. It is a massive amount of data and what the tuning files are, it will be a matter of time when someone will unlock the tuning files for the engine and trans as well, it's going to be very interesting in the near future what/ or how all this will unfold , your are right the best thing is a strong V8 in a new Mustang platform.

[@mark303murphy]

Thank you for sharing Ken!

[@twe73jr]

You know how it is, camshafts are a learning curve and the right one adds a lot of power..cool video.

[@busslayer4790]

Interesting info. Thx.

[@stephencarbajal5657]

In the motorcycle world of tuning they've been dealing with lock ECU's for a few years especially now with Euro 5 bs but so far they've been able to crack them so hopefully it won't be long before y'all get around them to tune. Good stuff

[@ClickbaitMotorsports]

Agreed. Probably about 3-5 years for it to be cracked. The ECU might need to be shipped to Ukraine for some Russian hackers to hack it. And 2-3 weeks later, you’ll have it back and ready to rock!

[@chaseself5420]

Calling it now. E85 & catless headers WILL make 500+whp.

[@chaseself5420]

Check out steeda’s video where they dyno’d the Gen 4 mustang with catted headers and no tune. Picked up nice power. Catted headers and a 93 tune will make 460+whp, so I’d say e85 & catless will be spot on 500 whp

[@DWH300]

I'm guessing around 530 crank for the GT. Dyno tests using Kooks long tube produced 40 horsepower

[@deathscythehell7937]

You can't do any of that at this time to the s650.

[@Magnetic5oh]

@@dennistate9951 yeah but you also have no tune to count for headers and xpipe. It's gonna run and feel like dookie bc of that

[@joshfrisby8616]

@@DWH300don’t forget there was a lot more than just headers on that car. The ratational mass went down ALOT. That is where a lot of power came from

[@skullhart]

Great video

[@N0ah132]

So basically what you're telling me is that I need to buy a s550

[@deathscythehell7937]

Yeah that's what I take from it.

[@pronoob_allday5632]

I mean did you even look at the graphs? If you only plan on staying at around 2k rpm and under then sure but after 2k you can see the 21 was getting less air, obviously you can tune the s550 right off the lot and it’ll fix that but you’re no longer apples to apples anymore, if you want an s550 get it bro it’s same engine different intake and apparently different cams, but tryna clown on people who like the s650 is kinda cringe.

[@JROC734]

Clowning of the S650 while championing a S550 is gay as chit. I don't like either car. They are both overweight pigs built on chassis those performance is mediocre at best. Buy either a GEN6 Camaro LT1 or SS as you get way better chassis/suspension performance, or buy a 18+ F150 5L RCSB truck. A RCSB 2WD F150 will give you a relatively small weight increase, but the truck will give you more comfort, more usability, you look like less of a douchebag, it's easier and cheaper to mod than a Mustang. No N/A car is as rewarding to tune as an 18+ 5L F150. "What do you mean, bro!!! A Mustang GT and F150 use the same 5L when talking GEN3+ engines! Only the manifolds are different!" Incorrect. F150 and Mustang Coyotes use a different firing order. No one really knows why as there seems to be no performance advantage of one firing order over the other, only a sound difference. Different firing orders mean different cams, but their specs are almost identical. With that out the way lets get to the advantages the F150 has over the Mustangs. Speed Density. Unless you want to run aftermarket cams there is 0 reason to want MAF over SD. Even a 20+ GT500 uses SD like the F150. Where stock or making 6,000 HP there is no need to touch the SD. It's just a sensor in the back of the manifold that measures pressure. MAF measures velocities, and as you mod and increase performance you'll peg the OEM sensor, and then you'll need to extend it, or upgrade it, and a MAF that's able to support higher HP became a tuning headache, and driveability becomes a problem while you're trying to get your tune right, etc. Upgrading the MAF is not free. Next is 15+ F150 5L is factory flex fuel. Mustang is not factory flex fuel, neither is Egoboost. "But Jroc, upgrading a Mustang to run E85 is not that hard." I don't give a chit, it's a lot harder and more costly than it is in F150. A bone stock F150 will happily run on E85. A custom flex fuel tune will self adjust as well. IDK why people with 5L F150's keep using tuners like 5 Star or Lund who want to give you a 87 tune, 93 tune, E85 tune, towing tune, etc. Sure 5 Star and Lund has E85 tunes that run strong, but a custom flex fuel tune that self adjusts itself (adds or pulls timing based on how it detects the engine is running) depending on the octane in your tank runs just as strong. Look up AML or OZ tuned trucks if you don't believe that. IDK what PBD does for tuning their F150 5L trucks, but I hope they're running a custom flex tune that will self adjust as there is no reason not to use this awesome gift that Ford gives to 5L F150 unless a tuner is just wanting you to keep coming back to them to spend more on tuning. But with all that out the way STFU about S550 > S650 because in a year you be commenting all over YT about how a S650 MGT is so much better than any of its competitors, and how this guy ran this in one, and if you just do this and that mod you'll be making 800 WHP reliably on a factory sealed engine, etc. Then if Ford ever comes out with a S750 Mustang you'll be like, "It's a POS! The S650 is the best Mustang ever, and way better than the S750." Y'all do that chit all the time. You constantly change your minds. "I hate the 18 Mustang. The 15-17 look way better." "The 19 Silverado is ugly as chit." "Ecoboost F150 can never be as good as a V8." After a year or 2 every one of these opinions y'all have flip. At least I stay consistent. I've always preferred the 18 Mustang design to the 15-17. I've always thought the 19 Silverado 1500 was a handsome truck, while the 19+ Sierra styling was ugly. I've always thought a 3.5L turbcharged high compression V6 running 12-13 PSI from the factory would make power to be competitive with sub 6L SB V8's made to run reliability on 87 octane. I've also always know that boosted OEM engines tune well as I've owned a Terminator for almost 2 decades and an 03 Lightning for 1.5 decades. No the issue with Ecoboost in F150 is it's gay. Using a boosted V6 to replace a V8 is just gay. If you're gay then rock out. I don't buy into Ecoboost simply because I do not like it. If you're Spock then Egoboost makes sense. If you're Kirk they suck. Ol'e dude might give the best head in the world, if he's rocking an X/Y chromosome, he ain't giving me head. With Egoboost the juice just isn't worth the squeeze, and I've said that since it was introduced in 2010. Yes it will make power, but it gay, and I'm not, and so I will not sell out to it as I simply don't like it, and these trucks are too expensive to buy something and dislike it that much. Also I've always thought a C7 looked like a Gallardo ran up behind a C6 and butt raped it, and after the Lambo sperm mixed with the Vette poo, the C7 is what dropped out of that union. Yeap, still not a fan of the C7 look, but loved the old C6 look. Hope you enjoyed that long read. You really need to quit clowning on the S650. I don't like it, but I don't like S550's either, but it's good that Ford still makes a V8 Mustang. Just get it with a 10R80. Ford should be ashamed of themselves charging the prices they do for this car, and then forcing a MT82 on you as a M6 offering in a Mustang GT. A $34K Camaro LT1 gets you an awesome TR6060 that's 10x's better than any MT82. In a DH the M6 is a viable option. Plus the 10R80 is just so damn good that to offer a M6 that's known to be crap in a $44K base car is some BS. They must be trying to kill the manuals. Plus TR6060 = Merika, and MT82 = China.

[@pronoob_allday5632]

@@JROC734I came back to finish watching the video and I find this schizo making conversations with himself

[@JROC734]

@@pronoob_allday5632 yeah, I'm not used to having Fridays off so I'm just killing time on the YT. How about you have your mom or girl call me so I can talk to them. I do agree with your OP though. But go back to posting more videos of you playing some goofy video games to try and make some YT money. Funny how I have more subscribers than you, and I don't even try and gain subscribers. Who cares really, but I find it funny that you've got 8 subscribers and 42 videos. That's pretty pathetic. LMAO

[@optimumperformance6998]

Ken, is HP able to log the ticks from the MAF and decode them?

[@jimmymccormick142]

I love the new mustang Ford power forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it great video love learning new things about my Ford powered automobiles

[@Jsalazar3269]

@palmbeachdyno What about the Matrix OS tuning you guys were working on?

[@MrPrime269]

Did you guys get the tuning files from Lund again?

[@landinrautenkranz6499]

So now that it’s “broke in” we just don’t have flash tunes how long until we are to that point where we can start getting some work started?

[@jonasbennett9237]

Really looking forward to some of the A10 shifting from the S650 making its way to the S550. Even with a tune, the daily drive shifting is not great.

[@oHypBasto]

Is the s650 trans tune coming to s550?

[@landinrautenkranz6499]

Bro my s650 A10 with 3.55 gears feels like it already has a tune. It’s so smooth and puts power down well. 600 miles and I’m beating the crap out of it, no complaints. If I leave in 5th gear and come to a stop, won’t budge me or anything just nicely comes down to 1st gear like it was in auto instead of it in manual. Love it

[@oHypBasto]

@@landinrautenkranz6499 thats great to here. I recently got a new trans in my 2022 10spd. I still feel a little bump nothing crazy when upshifting 3-4 do you feel anything at all in yours?

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

Does a performance pack Mustang have any better ECM tune ? Similar to a Darkhorse ?

[@jameshows5419]

Ken how close are y’all to getting the computer unlocked ? I have a DH and like everyone else I’d like to get more performance , it’s just how us gear heads are . Thanks for your videos .

[@timweb1510]

You should have just flushed that money down the toilet

[@jameshows5419]

@@timweb1510 Tim I respect your commitment. My decision to buy a DH was my choice. Was it a mistake? Only time will tell . I can say the 2023 Shelby Off Road Truck that I bought was a mistake, I lost my Ace on that deal . The Shelby did not hold its value at all .

[@wadeayoub9799]

@@jameshows5419 don't listen to haters, they all carried on the same way when the S550 came out. The Dark Horse will be a beast on the road once they can tune it and everyone will be loving it and out to get one. The good thing about the DH is the coyote engine, it's extremely reliable and it will be able to handle all the power that is thrown at it. Enjoy your car.

[@ljsites]

I’ll keep my S550. I’ll keep the extra $ that I’m going to save by not buying an S650 and mod the one I have…Because I can.

[@Jimmyxsx]

No one asked you lol

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

Excellent video, the best in the business going over the latest stuff... sounds like Ford turns on all the computer restrictions for a non Dark Horse.... I love the coyote motor but I can't stand that Dark Horse and won't buy something called a dark horse...

[@priyanshu1667]

Why, it sounds cool

[@nurburgringdreaming2221]

Consider this in your tuning tables ,,,,,,The dark horse was designed and built for road courses not drag strips . The GT is . Maybe this is why your timing and temps are so different?

[@tylerolson5860]

I wanna know head flow vs gen3 and cam specs vs gen3!

[@PalmBeachDyno]

The info is spotty and also conflicting but my info says that the cams have less lift

[@GoGoggansGo]

The cylinder heads are the same The cams are very different the gen 4 GT cams are 13mm, the dark horse nobody’s knows other than they’re more aggressive

[@chenzog6657]

@@PalmBeachDynocan you tune the raptor r

[@mrmike1183]

@@chenzog6657 he said not yet in video at the end...but they are working on it

[@yay-3012]

Once iphe had the SCT guy on I learned this guy was tuning when there was no tuning he is legit

[@mmf9765]

The s650 gt and dark horse look nice and i like the interior but stock for stock they both lose to their predecessors sadly when it comes to the drag strip and roll racing. Kinda sucks knowing you’ll lose to the older car in a roll race 😅😢

[@sr20builders]

well depends on driver. i raced my friends fbo 23 gt and i beat him by 2 cars and kept pulling. and my 24 gt is bone stock just carbon traps removed thats it. getting all my bolt on stuff coming in, i will be getting a hpt or sct for it too when its avalible. hopefully Palm Beach Dyno gets all the dyno stuff so they can tune mine.

[@coyotehd816]

@@sr20builders Congratulations on the car bro! Just curious, were you both 10speeds or auto vs manual? Also what were his mods for FBO? Roll race or dig? Just curious. 👍

[@sr20builders]

⁠​⁠@@coyotehd816 both auto, he has intake, exhaust, and headers.

[@shannonandsheila1403]

​@@sr20buildersDoes removing the traps cause dash lights or other problems?

[@sr20builders]

@@shannonandsheila1403 no it does not.

[@ben.scanlan]

I love how mustang owners think s650 tuning is eminent. Someone is going to have to develop a root kit to tune these vehicles.

[@minibikemadman]

so someone just sucked the file off....cant anyone draw a file?

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Listen, who sucks what off is on you. But you can't read a file from a car if that is what you are asking.

[@marcog6470]

I’m just not feeling these new s650 dark horse mustangs or gt’s

[@shannonandsheila1403]

Feel one and you will change your mind lol

[@marcog6470]

@@shannonandsheila1403 I’d be delusional to get 1 over a gt500 cftp lol… especially for the money

[@shannonandsheila1403]

@marcog6470 Well of course

[@charleswhite5482]

Pentagon gets hacked every year but people truly believe the Mustang ECU can't be. It's honestly hilarious!

[@deathscythehell7937]

Call it what it is, it's not a bad car but Ford put LoJack on the car. They control what you can and can't do to the car. When I pay my money for a car I own it, it's mine to do as I see fit. If I want to drive it off a cliff it's my car my choice, that's what I'd do with this weak s650 piece of 💩. Ford took the excitement out of the mustang and left us with a gelding. I pulled my engine and sent it to RPG for a stage 3 rebuild with my 20 gt350r at only 2500 miles. (3 months off the show room floor) I done the same with my 22 gt500 carbon. Sent them to my favorite tuner, boom now both are hitting 1000+rwhp mark on e-85 easily. Why should I have to wait to add power and tune a car I own? Wait for what? Personally the s650 isn't worth my time, energy or my money.

[@sirseven3]

All across the board nobody seems to want one now. But hey at least they're still making them

[@deathscythehell7937]

@@sirseven3 Check out the Hennessy video gt350 vs dark horse, trust me you'll enjoy it.

[@turbobros_online1561]

So many haters. I will laugh my ass off if we can tweak the cam timing and add some ethanol blend/timing to pick up 25whp and 500 more rpm out of the darkhorse. Essentially make it just as fast or faster than the gt350 with no part changes. lol time will tell. All i can say is i am happy with the interior/exterior changes to the new car. Glad to see a faster steering ratio too which it needed imo

[@stevenmitchell-vr3ot]

2 to 3 years before tuning on s650

[@Sub-Zero-392]

The factory tune on the S650 is a fuckin disgrace.

[@BuildingDaily]

So what you're saying is that this is a big nothing burger. It's not tunable if you can't flash a tune on it.... I can't wait to gap one of these...

[@PalmBeachDyno]

No one wants to race your Sonata

[@deathscythehell7937]

Sorry I beat you to the punch, my neighbor just got his a few weeks ago. My gt350r walked away from him as if he was standing still. Now he won't even try my gt500, a man gotta know his limitations. 🤣🤣🤣

[@BuildingDaily]

@@deathscythehell7937Ha! At a boy!

[@BuildingDaily]

@@PalmBeachDyno try a G8 Gt with heads, cam and a LSA... if you're ever in Texas I'll run you in whatever...

[@thefitnesslife4988]

I already seen a video of a x pipe only 10r80 gen 3 gapping a manual darkhorse by a couple cars .

[@user-xb3nk6dx3g]

Supra Enters the chat 😂

[@oHypBasto]

so basically you guys are no where near getting these tuned