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@sn95_mustang_garage2 ай бұрын
The duel throttle bodies on the Roush is so cool. I’d go with that if I had this year Mustang.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
That's a good observation. I like the red lid and the dual throttle bodies as well....plus the whine
@Coyote9smilespergallon2 ай бұрын
Stage2 is a much bigger throttle body bigger injectors , stronger fuel pump, more times in the tune etc! There is a definite difference.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
I'm aware of most of the differences
@riley_svt2 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ how can you say you are aware of most of the differences when you stated you dont know and think its marketing?
@Coyote9smilespergallon2 ай бұрын
@@riley_svt exactly
@stepside28392 ай бұрын
It Use To Be -> with Roush Stage 3 is supercharged - it might have features of other stages or might not. Stage 2 is modified suspension, stronger half-shafts, coolers, etc, but no supercharger. Stage 1 was seats, decals( cuz you know you go faster🤣). No supercharger Phase 1 was an oops with too small of a heat exchanger Phase 2 was bigger heat exchanger called LTR ->Low Temperature Radiator Today.?.. 🤷🏻♂ idk
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@stepside2839 who knows what it means today.
@That_FN_Coyote_Car2 ай бұрын
I came here after watching the VMP comparison video, and I have to say, this was a much more balanced and unbiased review. VMP's comparison wasn't nearly as 'apples to apples' as they claimed. This is a great reminder for everyone, always do your own research, and don’t just take a sales pitch at face value. The creator of this video clearly has no vested interest, and that transparency really shines through. It was obvious at several points how Starkey tried to sway opinions and get agreement on his questionable claims. Fantastic video, and the car sounds incredible!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@That_FN_Coyote_Car thanks man! I am a small channel and appreciate you stopping by and providing feedback. It does sound pretty awesome ill agree with you there!
@achilles4052 ай бұрын
Red car has no headers, paper intakes, gonna guess the carbon traps are still there. I would have preferred an even playing field but it was still a good comparison. As an s650 owner, the twin intakes are awesome, its one of the features that gets my car looked at vs most. Gotta go with Roush since it keeps that feature. If whipple or VMP had that I'd be interested in those.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@achilles405 if you watch or listen to the video, or read the video description, yes the red car has completely stock intakes with carbon traps
@Lundbasefiletooner2 ай бұрын
Was not expecting the start of that video....holy crap! That thing sounds WICKED!
@Artjan12 ай бұрын
Damn that Roush sounds so good!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@Artjan1 no denying that.... definitely sounds menacing!
@MrJgrub0022 ай бұрын
another quality vid! can't wait to see an update with no carbon filters and exhaust on the roush
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@MrJgrub002 we will see what the future owner of the Roush wants to do. Last night further sold him on the car! So any future mods will be up to him
@MrJgrub0022 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ oh snap! Making room for the GTD huh? 😏 He's gonna be very happy with the car
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@MrJgrub002 yessir. Doing everything I can possible to make it happen!
@Lundbasefiletooner2 ай бұрын
I agree on your stage 1/2 take and the the Roush "Phase 2" is a better comparison to a stage 1 whipple, especially since they both have to play in the CARB restrictions and both having RPMs limited for warranty reasons.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@Lundbasefiletooner great points in deed! Thank you for paying attention!
@DillRust2 ай бұрын
at the end of the day they both make around the same power with the same mods applied I just personally like the roush blower because it keeps the dual inlets which makes the s650 unique.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
100% agree. Can't argue with that at all. At the end of the day, real world experience and track times matter. They will both run a similar number with similar mods....only difference is the noise the Roush makes is incredible!
@Wimya2 ай бұрын
Good video dude! Both cars / kits are impressive in my opinion 🤘🏼
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@Wimya thank you sir! Agreed..... let's go roast some EVs
@Wimya2 ай бұрын
I’ll be in the area next month, let’s do it! 😈
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Keep me posted!
@katkilr76852 ай бұрын
I run a VMP supercharger (gen3) and i am 90% happy with it. But if the car are not the same except the supercharger than the time is NO GOOD period. Now to you people that will say it makes no difference. They why upgrade to them if it makes no difference?
@timwindsor032 ай бұрын
Awesome video brother. Thanks for sharing. Keep the content coming. Hope you have an incredible day.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@timwindsor03 thanks tim! You tooo!
@rw177782 ай бұрын
Comparison seems null when the Whipple car has headers & performance exhaust while the Roush has stock exhaust and stock manifolds. Definitely not apples to apples comparison! Was the tune on the Whipple car custom tune OR the base Whipple (warranty) tune? The Roush seemed to be the base conservative Roush (warranty) tune.. What size pulley did each car have?
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
While this wasn't the best apples to apples comparison that there possibly could be....this has been the closest one out there due to soo many other variables being taken out of the equation....same fuel, same dyno, same heat and humidity
@sd247342 ай бұрын
Since it was the stage 2 Whipple it is a Whipple tune just not the same tune on the stage 1 that comes with the warranty you can't get a warranty with the stage 2 tune.
@NickVazquez_5.22 ай бұрын
Roush looks so much cooler
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@NickVazquez_5.2 i agree on that and sounds cooler too
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@L8R-HP the Roush made more power on its second pull 5 or so minutes after the 1st. Explain the heat soak please
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
🦗🦗🦗
@race-ist5point0Ай бұрын
The Difference is the +60HP for LTH, and +35HP X-pipe cat back. Good comparison 👍🏾
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
I think that's a slight exaggeration 😂
@race-ist5point0Ай бұрын
@THEDriverMod_ Only if the LTH and exhaust make no HP gains -- which is scientifically and mechanically impossible 😎
@peppers1331Ай бұрын
@@race-ist5point0it’s like 30-40 from headers and 0 from x pipe you moron 😂😂
@onlytixerАй бұрын
@THEDriverMod_ for some things yeah. Long tube give close to 50 gain and h pipes or x pipes gives close to 10-16 around there it's been proven already.
@EugeneKhom2 ай бұрын
Alright, let's hit the road course and see how fast you can go with the same tires and mods. Cool video!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Let's do it! ......1 lap in.....awwww man, I'm in limp mode because of my oil temp! Dang it...
@fiveoh-steveo34642 ай бұрын
Would be a better comparison if you used cars that were both modified the same. Both should've had headers with high flow cats. Either way, great numbers from both.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Agreed, exactly why I put the expectations like I did at the beginning. Same fuel, same transmission, same rear diff ratio, same dyno, same conditions(pulls done within an hour of eachother)... doesn't get much close than that
@larryhendrix5504Ай бұрын
Dude in the green shirt of arrogant. It’s a put off. Give me the roush
@mauriceaucoin1368Ай бұрын
S/o to Justin @VMP for supporting his brand and whipple with that being said, The new Roush 2650 blower is a slightly better product in my personal opinion.
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
Why do you personal think the Roush is slightly better? I'd love to hear your thoughts
@mauriceaucoin1368Ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ Its the root style blower that will always have the upper hand on the twin-screw when dealing with a stock motor out of the box. In my personal opinion the root style blower will deliver power more effectively off the line. When you look at some of the fastest oem American cars (Vette/Gt500) they all run the root style blowers from factory. The twin-screw blower would be perfect for a 1/2 mile car. For the average buyer the root style blower will satisfy the majority 0-150mh runs. For someone who's chasing high MH on a built motor will benefit more from the whipple or odin. Nothing against whipple its still a great option but for street, dig, 1/4 mile runs the roush is just a better performer, especially when you can control the heat soaking. Whipple offers a more complete kit out of the box too.
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
@mauriceaucoin1368 i havnt had any heat soaking issues so far with the Roush
@hds818214 күн бұрын
Does the roush supercharger work with the k&n intakes? Asking because im looking to get the roush and i feel it would be awesome with the k&n typhoons i already have on
@THEDriverMod_14 күн бұрын
I am not sure if it would or not. I still have the stock intakes. I personally think the Roush see through lids with their red filters looks better than the K&N set up.
@Lundbasefiletooner2 ай бұрын
The shop neighbors musta loved you guys last night lol I can't get over the Roush whine. All things considered, the fact the roush had the most restrictive intake and exhaust, is a smaller displacement, at the same boost level and was ONLY 60hp down.... I can't say I'm disappointed with the Roush at all. Put some high flow filters, ditch the carbon traps, active mufflers and some long tubes, re run it with all things the same again and see where things end up.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@Lundbasefiletooner I'm sure they are used to it by now.....
@Artjan12 ай бұрын
Do you think running some drag radials like the nitto nt555r2 on stock PP 9.5 wheels (275/40/19) will handle this kind of power? Im most likely going to go with the roush supercharger but i really like my stock PP bronze wheels that came with the car. Thanks in advance your content is awesome!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@Artjan1 i unfortunately don't know the answer to your question. It could work just fine on one surface and not on another. Hard to say
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@xxdee1nonlyxx thanks for the feedback though, I appreciate it.
@mikemcghee2460Күн бұрын
I love the wheels on the red one. What and who are they?
@THEDriverMod_Күн бұрын
@mikemcghee2460 thank you! www.ekwstore.com and use code TDM10 for 10% off too!
@nickb2892 ай бұрын
Magnuson vs Whipple. The “TVS” has a twisted rotor pack, otherwise known as a twin screw style same as Whipple. Now we know why VMP had to switch to Whipple superchargers.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
They had to switch.... but for other reasons
@Reecesavage-AlwayswinАй бұрын
Will the new roush blower fit on the 24 f150s?
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
@@Reecesavage-Alwayswin fit .....yes..... tuning, that's another story
@sergebasque84602 ай бұрын
Remove the longtube and stop the rpm at 7300 to make it fair, like the Roush supercharger is tune at from Roush. Nice hp&tq. So it is a much cooler at night for the vmp car making some extra hp.😊
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
The Roush and the Whipple pulls were both done with in the same hour of each other, roughly 7-8pm....I would say the difference in the temp may have been a degree 2. The whipple did get to sit longer while the Roush went on the dyno first. Neither of which would make up 60 hp. But all the little things add up
@sergebasque84602 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ Let installed the longtube on the Roush with x-pipe and cat- back, just like the VMP has I garanty you you be close to 700hp. Then let bring both car for a 1/4 milles pass with drag tire for bragging rights.😎👍💪😊
@sd247342 ай бұрын
The obvious differences are the exhaust and carbon traps also I think the Roush tune is way more conservative since it has a warranty.. I think the stage 1 Whipple on a bone stock car would make similar numbers to the Roush setup... The Stage 2 Whipple has a more aggressive tune...
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@sd24734 agreed, that's exactly why there's that big of a difference
@williamcrook8758Ай бұрын
Love those wheels on the red mustang. I like the Roush for the fact it uses the stock induction & throttle bodies. Dyno numbers are for bragging rights. Don’t mean nothing on the regular street.
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
@williamcrook8758 Thank you and agreed 100%
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
@@williamcrook8758 do you have an S650?
@williamcrook8758Ай бұрын
@THEDriverMod_ No.
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
@@williamcrook8758 gotcha gotcha
@scalla13842 ай бұрын
I dont think it was nearly as much apples to apples as Justin thinks. Fuel, yeah. But one with paper filters/carbron traps and stock exhaust.... versus better filters, less restrictive flaps and headers. I think the Roush would be within 20hp. Considering the size difference, just shows how well the 2650 still performs.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
100% agree. That's why I'm glad i set it up in the beginning like I did. I left yesterday's experience liking the Roush just that much more! Thanks for the feedback and paying attention to the details!
@scalla13842 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ I enjoy the content! And we all know, GT350 is still king daddy.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@scalla1384 facts..... there's a reason it's 8.5 years old and still remains NA ....just a raw, real satisfying experience!
@JJ-ox8jb2 ай бұрын
The dual TB looks cool from 20ft away. The Y’d inlet adapter feeding the same PD blower is a red flag
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Yea, it looks funky really.
@joshreynolds7292 ай бұрын
Yeah, why even have duel intakes if it's going to y into 1 and ultimately have air doing a hard turn the opposite way your feeding from the other side just to not have a true duel TBs with indipendant intakes such as the roush. Seems to me they didn't want to have to redesign their blower from the gen 3, so instead decided on adapting it to work for the gen 4, and this was the result.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@joshreynolds729 agreed. Roush setup definitely looks 10 times better even with stock AF intakes.
@joshreynolds7292 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ yeah very true if the whipple had these same qualities plus those beautiful intake finished tubes that aren’t heavy rubber and the better filters while taking out those trash carbon filters 😂 it would be the ultimate kit. But the roush the way it is in my opinion is the way to go. 👍🏻
@PopsGT5.02 ай бұрын
Great Video bro. Let’s try to make the stage 1 vs Roush happen!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@PopsGT5.0 you're on brother! Bring it!
@NickVazquez_5.22 ай бұрын
That Whipple car sounds like it’s got headers. Definitely helps its case a tad.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@NickVazquez_5.2 it does😆...... with cats though they said
@Boosted_5.02 ай бұрын
most headers have “highflow” cats, definitely more free flowing and with boost it makes a big difference
@AndrewBaker3022 ай бұрын
Bigger blower with headers wins? Go figure.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@AndrewBaker302 i was actually impressed ot was only a 60hp difference. According to the internet whipple warriors, these kits make 850 to the wheel on "pump gas".....
@AndrewBaker3022 ай бұрын
@THEDriverMod_ Yeah, I got nothing against Whipple. But it does seem like they are a tad salty that there is competition, and their advertising for their kits leaves a bit to be desired. It seemed like it was almost painful for Justin to say anything decent about the Roush. Which is awkward, because he still sells Odin kits. So like he can only shit on his old design so much
@Jane-justjane2 ай бұрын
They are making a lot of horse power but not even near what the older gen coyote will make with what is available tune and blower options
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Once tuning is opened, of course they will make more power, especially the Roushbas it is a CARB legal kit.
@stepside28392 ай бұрын
I’d like to see an overlay of torque between the Roush & Whipple. Also, what were the IATs of each at their best run … cuz, I don’t care about psi I care about density of air.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
The whipple handheld couldn't detect the Roush IAT2, on a similar degree day, my IATs on the Roush went from 25 degrees above ambient (109 degrees) to 43 degrees over ambient temp(128 degrees) during my 60-130 pulls.
@stepside28392 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ interesting 🤔 I’ve never seen my IATs get more than 10 degrees above ambient and I have a 2019 with the larger heat exchanger. I think the pump may cycle differently but I don’t know. So location location location must make a huge difference. ( in NJ here ) Thanks for your reply
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@stepside2839 yea in florida with 90% humidity, 24-26 degrees is normal for IAT2 after yhe blower... my IATs before the blower is usually within 2-5 degrees of ambient. The pump runs aslong as the key is on. This system has the heat exchanger set up of the Odin so it's pretty good i think
@launchcontrol64382 ай бұрын
Did either car have oil pumo gears?
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@launchcontrol6438 i know my car does not. You'd have to ask VMP about theirs
@GTFASTBACK2 ай бұрын
I’m going with centrifugal, I wanted a whipple but a dual pro charger is where I’m going.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Dual Prochargers???? That would look cool!
@rattletrapfox10012 ай бұрын
Wowwowowo that Roush is cherrry***
@backnu2 ай бұрын
What's with the strange frame skips? Can you record a video without all the frame jump/skipping?
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@backnu yes, but then it would be 45 minutes long
@Coyote9smilespergallon2 ай бұрын
The Whipple stage2 Does have a warranty it's $500 but I have it on mine!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Interesting
@ceeztronomis2 ай бұрын
That Roush sounds soooo good but that VMP is 💪🏼 strong. I wish you both would have had the same mods equally to fairly compare. Even so, if you can go back in time, would you still choose the Roush over VMP? Did you get the Roush because the warranty option?
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@ceeztronomis i wouldn't change my mind. I'll just say I'm excited for what happens in the future! The stage 1 whipple has a warranty too. But if you're worried about warranty, it wouldnt be modifying cars period.....and that's no fun😂
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@ceeztronomis like for like mods would be fun and interesting
@joshmoore13972 ай бұрын
The roush also uses a Eaton rotor pack which is seven plus years old at this point.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@joshmoore1397 correct. I pointed that out at the end and they responded with the head unit only being 5....like that makes a difference
@joshmoore13972 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ also a set of LT would really help your car out.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@joshmoore1397 absolutely. I wanted a bare bones, worst case scenario. I'm impressed it only was down 60hp given all the mod differences and Bigger displacement with the whipple
@joshmoore13972 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ just proving old text still works really well. And if tuning becomes available it'll be even better.
@pheonixfps92482 ай бұрын
My argument is and will remain to be, why pay for a less efficient system. On the s550 platform, we got like for like cars, with the whipple system providing more power on the same boost, and a system that doesn't heat soak as quick as any other. We've yet to see this with s650, and thats what we really need to see.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@pheonixfps9248 we just demonstrated the Roush heat soak issues are solved with this generation, Justin even said it in the video himself. 2nd pull actually put down more power than the first, unlike the whipple. The Roush went straight on the dyno after driving back from the gas station to while the whipple was cooling off.
@pheonixfps92482 ай бұрын
@THEDriverMod_ runs on a dyno are one thing, and it doesn't truly display heatsoak issues. What does is circuit work. I'm a mechanic myself, so i'm not ignoring how much better the systems are, but we still need to see the systems pushed to their limits of when the heatsoak/management is no longer manageable. However, what does make me curious is why vmp dumped magnuson for the s650 and went whipple, or was it more of the fact a bigger name like rousch got involved with magnuson, and magnuson said bye to vmp....I would be very curious to see.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@pheonixfps9248 we will probably never know the truth
@pheonixfps92482 ай бұрын
@THEDriverMod_ True. I will admit I did become a major fan of the whipple and it's efficiency on the s550, but i'm loosing that with the amount of failures I'm starting to see. I would like to see the current rousch kit offered for the s550, over the VMP
@pheonixfps92482 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ could you line up a comparison between the Rousch and the s650 ESS kit when it comes out? I'd love to see that.
@FlatBedLife717Ай бұрын
Long Tubes and h-pipe for the roush car and unlock the rpm ceiling to match whipples, Roush will dominate the whipple!!
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
@@FlatBedLife717 i don't know about dominant but it will be much much closer
@CoyoteCrimeLord2 ай бұрын
AMRY here. Yall STILL can’t do an apples for apples comparison can ya?
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
I mean I guess the only thing I would change to make it "apples to apples" is the mods
@CoyoteCrimeLord2 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ duh. No shit Sherlock.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@CoyoteCrimeLord definitely looking forward to Alex's view on this. as 'inaccurate" as a test this was as far as the kits themselves go, it does kinda pull the pants down on the whole "whipple stage 2" making 800 wheel on 93 without octane booster.....chickens came home to roost on that one for sure!
@treehound2 ай бұрын
Just to add to the apples to apples convo. Testing the whipple car after dark it’s safe to say it’s ten degrees cooler.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@treehound the Roush pulled were done between 715 and 740 and the Whipple car was done between 740 and 8. Sooo maybe a degree or 2 difference at best
@onlytixerАй бұрын
What wheels are those?!?!?
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
GTD replicalnstyle wheels from www.ekwstore.com and used discount code TDM10 for 10% off
@mattjingles57582 ай бұрын
The coyote 5.0 is the best sounding V8, I swear.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
The Voodoo from the GT350, LT6 from the C8 Z06 and F136 from the 458 Italia would beg to differ. I own both the GT350 and the GT and the Voodoo sounds infinitely better than a Coyote
@AB-coyote2 ай бұрын
The Roush would have closed that power Gap if the Roush tune let it rev.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
I think so too
@mikes12922 ай бұрын
That roush car is bad ass
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@mikes1292 I'm partial, but I agree, the Red lid, those Forge GTD style wheels....Carbon wing.... looks great, sounds great.... some improvements and quality issues to correct but it'll get there
@MrPrime2692 ай бұрын
If the whipple car has headers it’s not an apples to apples comparison
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@MrPrime269 i agree, this is the most accurate comparison so far on the internet because the same fuel, dyno, correction and weather conditions and I can verify they didn't fluff the numbers with octane booster etc
@royrauch97752 ай бұрын
You can buy a 2024 supercharged Mustang from Lebanon Ford with 810 HP with a 3 yr., 36,0000mile warantee for $49,995.00!!! AND more HP is available WITHOUT a warrantee!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
That's been a thing for years
@joesikorsky53832 ай бұрын
What happened to your interior? Weight savings?
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Sent off to make molds for carbon fiber versions to be made for the future for a brand i work along with for them to sell
@Subarashii-naniii2 ай бұрын
The Whipple car got a free flowing exhaust as well as an aftermarket cai, and your car is restricted in both ends. They played you to get a vid for their channel, sale tactics. I’m sorry though.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@Subarashii-naniii i was the one that asked them if we could do this, I laid it all out at the beginning of the video. It went exactly as I expected. If they want to put there own "spin" on it, they definitely are free to do so.... no one got "played" though.
@Topofthelinetommy2 ай бұрын
Roush Phase 2 is completely marketing tactics. There is no phase 1 and puts down less than whipples stage 1 kit. I just got my Dark Horse last night. I can get a deal on a warrantied whipple vs Roush. Roush is not a warranty its a service contract for additional money thats through the installer. I would be concerned if on the Roush the motor fails and they wont cover it.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@Topofthelinetommy if your worried about who's responsibility it is if something breaks, you bought to much car. Warranty shouldn't be your first reaction to go through.... pay to fix your stuff yourself
@realshidd30622 ай бұрын
Rush Intakes need to be circumcised 😂🤣jk rush definitely looks cooler 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@Youtubelombocustoms502 ай бұрын
For me the roush looks better and a s650 n/a has the twin throttle bodies so for me if I had a s650 go with the roush.. Other wise just keep a s550 and put whipple
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
It's does look esthetically better for sure. I agree with you there
@2in_2out2 ай бұрын
LOL at which point was the video in anyway comparable. News flash modded whipple car makes more power...shock horror. The Roush kit is equivalent to the stage 1 whipple. And both can have a warranty. This is a Whipple stage 2 kit...with headers, x pipe and intake.
@Zander13Productions2 ай бұрын
😮
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Did the results suprise you? How close do you think it would be if the mods were the same, they said it had "cats" but let's be real, I genuinely don't think it did. Put cats on it and it was probably making 14-15psi or so
@rayiniguez73412 ай бұрын
This is not a valid test. You are not comparing apples to apples based on mods to the vehicles. Justin pushes the VMP/Whipples brand (we all get why) but the black car has headers which he refuses to point out on his own until someone brings it up. It's comical.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Hence why I'm not at all disappointed with this result. Since potential fueling difference was removed from the equation, factor in the bigger blower running the same boost, with headers, active exhaust (which is good for 4-5 on the NA stock cars) hence why the active exhaust cars are rated at 486hp vs non active rated at 480hp and the high flow filters with out carbon traps on the whipple side, 60hp can quickly be widdled down if you do the same mods to the Roush
@rayiniguez73412 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ I really think once forced induction is brought into the equation the horsepower differences are far greater with a free-flowing exhaust as opposed to an N/A setup. Boost numbers are also obscured on this test since we all know a free-flowing exhaust will probably drop boost numbers because it has a far less restriction. Remember boost is a measure of restriction. On top of that, VMP needs to sell the VMP/Whipple blowers. Who is to say they were not able to manipulate the results as well. They are automatically biased on this test. A far better test would be one vehicle with the two different blower setups. Not done by VMP and is performed by a neutral shop that has no skin in the game.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@rayiniguez7341 i understand your concern, I was right there with them as we went over the data logs. I'll be doing an outside test as well to verify the results though it will be with a different car, different dyno as i know that's the best way to remove them as a variable. Yes they made 13 psi with a less restrictive exhaust, while I made 13 psi with the most restrictive exhaust there is. It's not purely apples to apples but at least it's not bread vs candy.
@Chef-James2 ай бұрын
Meh. One does this and the other does that. Was getting seasick from the odd camera gyrations.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately in this world where everyone wants to knit pick, it's important to put context and expectations. If I would have just posted without the baseline, uniformed individuals would just jump to false conclusions.
@sea.porsche2 ай бұрын
Roush for the win 🏆
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@sea.porsche W for 🇺🇲
@davidforsman59734 күн бұрын
Why doesn't anyone test H pupes!??
@THEDriverMod_4 күн бұрын
I'll test whatever anyone wants to send me.
@LIFEof_X2 ай бұрын
Put headers on the roush and run it back. Then will really see who comes out on top. I hate how they just glossed over the fact that they had headers instead of telling you up front when you all planned this out. That was deceitful on VMPs part in order to make their product look better and we all know it😑
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
It took high flow filters, headers, active bigger throttle body, Injectors, BAP and active mufflers to do 60 more wheel horsepower.... I'm not convinced yet
@MillennialDad922 ай бұрын
“Stages” are for non car people. Anyone who uses stages to describe their build, obviously doesn’t know jack shiz about their car.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Agreed, people just want accurate info
@koreywhitley50382 ай бұрын
#teamroush
@cchvyd282 ай бұрын
10-15 hp from long tube headers and high flow cats? Man..... VMP is trying so hard to shit talk roush and prop up whipple. LT's and hf cats are 30hp minimum.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
I'll have to put some FFE on and see what it does
@Boosted_5.02 ай бұрын
they sprinkled in some octane booster!
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
I mean I was there the whole time, I didn't see anything like thata
@phase3ute2 ай бұрын
That is far from a fair comparison I can’t watch it. So the black had e30 at least. Draining through the lines you CANNOT get all that fuel out. So there’s a 2-5 litres of e30 already in mixed with 12 gallons. So you have a least a couple of RON MORE. You have the front section of exhaust fully done with no cats. And upgraded intake. If you think there’s 10-15hp from those mods, well it just makes your word even less believable with anything you say, if you blandly lie to everyone on an upgrade that is widely known to make two to three times your quoted power, then what do you lie about the stuff people Can’t see
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@phase3ute as far as fuel goes, their car was completely drained, i was there. It even stalled out. And we drove the cars back to the shop so any traces were likely gone. As far as everything else goes, when I agreed to do this, I didn't know about the exhaust, only found out when I asked the question and with that being the case, since I was already there, I decided to do it anyway
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@phase3ute your other concerns are justified. I did the best i could considering the situation. They had know about this for a few weeks so if they wanted to put a stock exhaust back on, they definitely could have
@RickVaca-f2q19 күн бұрын
Am I the only one who likes the sound of the Whipple better?
@THEDriverMod_19 күн бұрын
What sound? You mean the free flowing exhaust on the Whipple car while the Roush car was rocking stock non active mufflers, stock cats and stock exhaust manifolds? Because there's no way you are referring to the blower noise. Roush kills the whipple in that department
@tythegreatttgАй бұрын
Yea its not a 1 to 1 comparison but its also not a 1 to 2 comparison either
@THEDriverMod_Ай бұрын
Definitely wasn't perfect but was the best we could do
@philipshaffer4012 ай бұрын
So full exhaust and headers with 500 extra rpm and only 50 more whp.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@philipshaffer401 correct, and higher flow intake filters with no carbon traps. Not tooo bad of a difference now
@philipshaffer4012 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ yea i just added more to my comment. Plus i don't put much credit behind vmp seems he just tries to up sell or cheerleads whatever brand he sells at the time .
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@philipshaffer401 we will see what happens in the future. I've loved the "Odin" ever since I met JD at a cars and coffee with one and my friend put one on his GT350
@philipshaffer4012 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ inthink the Odin was limited to around 1000whp with the smaller single inlet . That was most i seen it make anyways. The roush will be higher and closer to the vmp g3r which was the blower that has made 1100whp on multiple different mod motors and coyotes
@philipshaffer4012 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ inthink the Odin was limited to around 1000whp with the smaller single inlet . That was most i seen it make anyways. The roush will be higher and closer to the vmp g3r which was the blower that has made 1100whp on multiple different mod motors and coyotes
@lorenebinks17242 ай бұрын
Wasting your money on the Whipple if you're not going north of 20psi
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@lorenebinks1724 why do you say that. Give us some background info on that please?
@DavidHernandez-my9zw2 ай бұрын
Headers do not gain 10-15 hp 💀 I’d love to see it with headers.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@DavidHernandez-my9zw subject matter expert said they only gained 10-15. I'm not here to argue, that's yalls job. I appreciate you checking the video out and leaving some feedback!
@DavidHernandez-my9zw2 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_I think I’ve seen you in the Alejandro Flores lives before. We both know what’s up haha. Can’t wait to see how far you take the roush. I’m sticking with my gen 2 6r80 car. 2.3 roush phase 2. Made 660 to the wheels on the same vmp dyno in July 99 degree weather. 10psi with headers intake and a throttle body. Safe to say you know who I’m tuned by 😮
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@@DavidHernandez-my9zw all good man, I ment no disrespect. I'll definitely be doing some more testing before I sell the car in the spring. I hope tuning gets opened up before then and then the same people who tuned your car will be asked to tune mine🇺🇲
@commycomentor96952 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s actually worse, aftermarket headers with cats LOSE HP, probably 10-15. The OEM cats are that good !
@freedom69197412 ай бұрын
It’s not a VMP it’s a Whipple. The Roush is an Odin. Same blower. You’re about to make me puke moving the camera around.
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@freedom6919741 might as well say the Roush is a Magnuson, not an Odin if you are gonna play internet police....who cares. You knew which one was which ....riiiiiiight?
@freedom69197412 ай бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_ it’s the same blower Roush, VMP, Magnuson.
@Killing4food12 күн бұрын
@@THEDriverMod_so another words, right.
@white_stang0072 ай бұрын
Just watch brenspeed for legit data first couple minutes of this video are killing me just get to the point
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
Gotta put things into perspective and be informative. It's important because there are far less questions and excuses if you go about it like that.
@scottlethbridge27402 ай бұрын
You guys have wierd apples there definitely not a apples to apples waste of my time
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@scottlethbridge2740 i don't think it's apples to apples either. When I agreed to fo this, I thought they were gonna use a stage 2 whipple with stock exhaust...not modified
@ToddMaxey2 ай бұрын
Whipple hands down takes the crown for the S650 Mustang! I don’t get why anyone would settle for a Roush when you can unleash real power with a Whipple. With the insane top-end gains and unmatched tuning flexibility, Whipple is the only choice for anyone serious about pushing the limits. Sure, Roush is great for a 'safe' upgrade, but if you're just looking for a factory-friendly setup, why even bother supercharging? Whipple's twin-screw design and massive power potential blow Roush out of the water. Anyone still sticking with Roush might as well leave their Mustang stock. 💥🚗💨
@THEDriverMod_2 ай бұрын
@ToddMaxey anyone who leaves their mustang stock shoulda bought a Tesla😂
@victorxavier99772 ай бұрын
This guy sounds like a whipple/VMP rep LOL I mean who else would take the time to write all that out 😂
@ToddMaxey2 ай бұрын
@@victorxavier9977 Nope, just someone with an S650 with a Stage 2 Whipple and knows what it's capable of. 🙂
@rw177782 ай бұрын
Because you got a Whipple it must be best, just ask un-credible you painting the new updated unmatched Roush the same as previous system.. And not everyone wants to wick their car to the edge of catastrophe when engines & inconveniences cost as much as they do. One things for sure, there will ALWAYS be someone faster than you or me lol
@ToddMaxey2 ай бұрын
@@rw17778 Fair point on not everyone wanting to push their car to the limit. But here’s the thing-Whipple’s proven performance isn’t just about taking your Mustang to the edge of catastrophe. It’s about offering more flexibility and better long-term potential. Sure, Roush is updated, but at the end of the day, it’s still designed with factory-level safety in mind, which means compromising on peak power. Whipple gives you that next-level performance while still being reliable when tuned correctly. And about someone always being faster-that's exactly why Whipple owners prefer to be ahead of the pack in the first place! Why settle for less when you can dominate?