2024 NHL DRAFT REVIEW (DETROIT RED WINGS) & STAMKOS, TROUBA RUMORS - Winged Wheel Podcast - June 29

The 2024 NHL Draft in Las Vegas' Sphere is over, and Steve Yzerman, Kris Draper, Nicklas Lidstrom & Co. have selected the newest crop of Hockeytown prospects for the Detroit Red Wings.
Tune in as we start by discussing the craziness at the beginning of the 1st round, with Celebrini and Levshunov going as expected, Sennecke going way higher than thought, Demidov to the Canadiens, Utah snatching up Tij Iginla, Zeev Buium falling to Minnesota, & more (4:40).
Next, a full assessment of the Detroit Red Wings selecting Michael Brandsegg-Nygard 15th overall: prospect analysis, how he stacked up to others like Hage, Eiserman, Connelly, etc., where he fits in the Red Wings core next to Raymond, Larkin, Seider, & Co., how he measures against previous picks like Danielson & Kasper, strengths & weaknesses, ultimate upside, & LOTS more. Also, a review of the rest of the 1st round (27:00).
After that, we assess all the rest of the Detroit Red Wings' picks: Max Plante (46:50), Ondrej Becher (53:20), Landon Miller (56:10), John Whipple (57:50), Charlie Forslund (59:55), Austin Baker (1:02:50), & Fisher Scott (1:03:45), then give our overall assessments of the draft class, grades, Yzerman's performance & philosophies, & more (1:05:30).
We then turn to notable draft performances and NHL moves (like Utah trading for Sergachev & Marino) (1:10:45), before discussing the Jacob Trouba, Steven Stamkos, & Patrick Kane rumors as they relate to Detroit (1:15:50) before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:36:10) - enjoy!
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[@deecoy1201]

Connelly to Golden Knights, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

[@RedWingsFanClub]

It really does hurt watching all these teams land high offensive talent over the years through this rebuild.

[@DONWASABIJUAN]

Even Florida has Barkov and tkachuk. I guess we will have to get elite talent through trade. I think the wings are just going to be that Swiss Army knife tough as nails team to play against

[@ericscottstevens]

@@DONWASABIJUAN Tkachuk basically traded himself to Florida. A good thing for the Panthers management is all they had to do was package the assets in the transaction.

[@ericscottstevens]

When the NHL does everything possible for Detroit not to win the Draft lottery well we have to watch other teams constantly go up to the podium in the top 3.

[@augustsmith9633]

I know people will laugh at this but considering our top prospects and excluding edvinson and Berggren. We have 5+ prospects that have the talent to stick around and contribute in Detroit and that's insane to me. ASP, MBN, Danielson, Mazur, Cossa, Augustine, Kasper, Wallinder. Idk maybe I'm overly optimistic but I think that's probably better than most teams in their farm.

[@STANCH0]

I agree with you 10000%

[@pjdaddio]

You're not wrong.

[@D4v3Serious]

Wishing for Becher being our Palat, that would be massive massive steal!

[@outragequitter5027]

Raymond having MBN on his opposite wing gives me good feels. Raymond, Danielson and MBN line in the future? That would not be a fun line to go up against

[@ericscottstevens]

Probably 3 years from now, 2 if we are extremely lucky if MBN develops quickly than expected. In the mean time who do we have on the farm (other than Berggren) that can step in to progression of depth for LW? Soderblom and Mazur.

[@TheMarshallMathersLp1980]

Tampa offered stamkos 8 years at 3mill a season ..insane 😳

[@doozey365]

I saw that as well, i find that offer hard to believe.

[@justinshields3819]

It's been reported or rumored that Kaapo Kakko could be part of the return included with Jacub Trouba with a cap hit at 5.5 million to Detroit. I'm wondering if Justin Holl and/or Jonatan Berggren could be part of the package going back.

[@davidkruse4030]

Where on earth did you read that? I think that is bs

[@frsretenovic74]

@@davidkruse4030top shelf speculated that. I forget his name.

[@wyattbarnes9641]

Kakko stinks I’ll take a draft pick over him

[@codyfrisby911]

NYR wants to dump Kakko 2.1 million salary

[@gregorybiestek3431]

@@davidkruse4030 Try a dozen or more sites like the NY Post, The Hockey News, NHL Trade Rumors, Top Shelf Hockey, a Vlogger out in Vancouver, and many more.

[@StickinAroundHockey]

Yes or no: - Trouba at 5.5m & Kakko For - Holl, Veleno & a 4th in 25

[@RedWings80]

Yes

[@ericscottstevens]

If NYR are retaining salary, they will want more in return, Berggren, or maybe Tuomisto or Wallinder.

[@StickinAroundHockey]

@@ericscottstevens but I think the point is that they get salary space by getting holl and then buying him out

[@uncledave6804]

Grading teams before they are two to three years post-draft is an impossible task. Your lucky and a player drops to you and that improves your grade? Or your team sucked so you dumped assets and got an extra pick so that improves your grade? Meh.

[@TheJf89]

I think Stevie is waiting for July 1 to let the moves start happening. If the pieces work out I think the following will happen Raymond/seider bridge deals @ 5-6 each Sign kane Sign ghost Trade for trouba, NY retain 2.5 and SJ retains 2 mil (future considerations worth 2nd and Walman) Sign stamkos for 7 mill Definitely a pipe dream but would be pretty cool having kane feed stamkos...

[@PCPAyLOAD]

Love the Wings content and been a sub for quite a while but,, whats up with the excessively long boom arms for such a small table? Sorry I work as a recording tech so OCD is forcing me to ask.

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

Quietest ones we found that left table space!

[@TheChosenone0822]

Mazur - Kasper - MBN

[@mattl2642]

Future 3rd line. Big F'n deal

[@socialmediag5485]

@@mattl2642even better , kasper danielson mbn ... but yes if those guys become only 3rd lines it’s a fucken disaster. Tired of not taking a swing at guys that can be a top line guy. We might have to take a big swing at draisaitl if he goes to free agency cause we’ll never draft a player close to his talent

[@danielshorr228]

I'm so happy brad brought this up at 25:30. That's exactly what Steve wants is a super deep team that can hurt you with team play and will be a nightmare to score on.

[@Bulltrapaskslap]

Guys did we buy steve at the top 😂

[@captbloodbeard]

Another piece to Minnesota trading up one pick to grab Buium is that they knew Philly wasn't going to take him, hence why they were willing to move to the pick. Winnipeg wanted him badly, and they were working to get something done with Philly for that pick. So this was a way to also keep Winnipeg from getting him. Obviously, Minny wanted Buium also and knew they could cheaply get that pick from Philly and Winnipeg couldn't because they didn't have a first rounder this year. I think getting to stick it to Winnipeg was part of the reason that GMBG looked so happy when he went on stage to make that pick. Minnesota had originally intended to use their pick to trade with Winnipeg to get Rutger McGroarty, but then Buium happened.

[@shatrod6000]

Signing stamkos is a death sentence where ever he goes. He's going to want a load of money and term and I predict his production will instantly be cut in half. He's not going to playing with kucherov where he goes.theres a reason Tampa is going out of their way to move on from stamkos

[@socialmediag5485]

If brad was Columbus’s gm he’d trade the 4th pick for Chicago’s 2025 1st and then watch as they overpay in free agency for the likes of guentzel pesce skinner etc.. and get fired 😂

[@SaltyLegion]

"Can I Trade you a Mario Lemieux rookie card for a number 1 pick...please"😭🤬😡

[@codyfrisby911]

The sharks might claim Jacob off waivers for free if waived but Stevie said it was hard to move money but sharks are claiming worst contracts. Andrew Copp and Berggren for Jacob and kakko this deal helps NYR to save around 5 million and we get rid of 3 year of Andrew contract and with the Walman trade the money is about even and we flipped shot handiness.

[@redizit]

If the wings spend the crap money on these free agents people will be pissed and if they do nothing people will be pissed, the fans are destroying themselves from within

[@BTScollectables]

LGRW

[@codyfrisby911]

The Flyers GM said Shane was to short and already have to many short Defensemen.

[@ericscottstevens]

When Lidstrom said "Detroit presents".....The Red Wings should use that tag line from on at every draft MBN seems like a great personality, more of a Palmieri or Krieder type on the ice. Gritty, heavy forward. Great shot. I would give this draft a B - After the first round yet 2 more defenders and another goalie. They needed all forwards for about 3 years to find that elusive great winger depth. It is still glaringly absent.

[@jessecoonce1363]

Intentionally avoided the talent they need up front with their 15th pick. Destined to be the mid-pack Wild/Isles for the next decade before tearing it down and starting again.

[@ericscottstevens]

@@jessecoonce1363 Agreed. The fact this is a non draft lottery team really says it all. Yet when pundits and mock drafts 5 months out predicted MBN to Detroit that is a major flaw as SY's strategic planning as a narrow focus on players who fit his system. Even though D is not a red button emergency SY watched BPA Buium slide down the draft board and did nothing about it. I am not sold on Draper being the head scout, he is not wowing in his duties.

[@nicke5056]

​@@ericscottstevens Andersson is our best scout

[@amazingguy4355]

💥💥💥

[@JHockeyFan]

You should have mentioned that Max Plante is committed to Minnesota Duluth, a historically defensive, upperclassmen/veteran heavy lineup where Scott Sandelin doesn’t give young scoring forwards as much opportunity. With Plante being above average defensively as well as a legacy recruit, there is a chance he gets more minutes this year. But the opportunity for his offensive upside to stagnate is very real

[@pjdaddio]

My bet is he hits the portal at some point and ends up in Ann Arbor.

[@JHockeyFan]

@@pjdaddio I would doubt that, with his family's history at Minnesota Duluth

[@pjdaddio]

@@JHockeyFan Good point. I kind of think that Plante reminds me of Lucas Raymond a bit and think his style of play fits into Naurato's offensive scheme.

[@jameshollar9461]

@@pjdaddio If Plante transfers from Duluth, he'll most likely go to MSU with the other RW picks to develop a 200ft. game. BTW why do you think Humphreys dropped to seventh round?

[@sportsfix6975]

Stamkos is; and has been, a pilon with opportunity galore to score. Same with Tavaras, everybody feeds him until he scores.

[@Hocktopus_329]

So the kid is a hard-working, competitive, hard shooting prospect? Sounds great to me!

[@JackHoepner]

A trade with Trouba could be a very good solution. He is better than Ghost, in my opinion, and we need more toughness in the Atlantic Division. Florida, Tampa, Ottawa and Boston are currently tougher than us in terms of playing style. But, the Rangers have to meet us halfway: - min 2.5 million salary cut - Copp and/or Holl have to be included in the deal - Veleno, a 3rd draft pick 2025 for Kakko Possible trades to reduce the salary cap: - DET Fabri MON Heineman, Andersson - DET Määttä NYI Engvall - DET Husso, 4th draft pick 2025 MIN Gustavsson Possible new acquisitions (UFA): - Gustafsson for 900k for 2 years - Trenin for 1.75 million for 2 years Possible lineup: DeBrincat (LW RW) Larkin (C) Raymond (RW LW) Berggren(LW RW) Compher (C RW) Kakko (RW) Söderblom (LW RW)/Mazur (LW) Danielson (C) Engvall (RW LW) Andersson (LW C)/Mazur (LW) Rasmusen (C LW) Trenin (RW LW) (Kasper) Chiarot (LD RD) Seider (RD) Edvinsson (LD) Trouba (RD) Johansson (LD RD) Gustafsson (RD LD)/Petry (RD) (Petry) Gustavsson (G) Lyon (G) (Augustine)

[@DavidDeLierre]

Imo these 'safe' picks are a side effect of Zadina not living up to the hype. How long until Yzerman swings for the fences again or is he scared of it repeating?

[@ericscottstevens]

Zadina was a Holland pick.

[@DavidDeLierre]

Doesn't matter, he's still affected by it

[@theRickLC]

Good work boys 👍🏻💪🏻 #WWP #DUBDUB #LGRW 🏒🥅🚨

[@timeout9768]

The future is unpredictable.

[@Weareeverywhere14]

Basically lost all faith in Yzerman at this point

[@doozey365]

I havent lost all faith, but im def questioning his moves more. The Walman deal was the last straw, where im not blanket defending him anymore.

[@IAK40Kevin]

Is Becher GR bound since he's 20 already?

[@pjdaddio]

He can technically play in the CHL for one more year as an over-ager.

[@Chaosmite]

Trouba is a dirty player, don’t want him on the team

[@ericscottstevens]

@@davidclick5344 Yes, if teams are pinching down on Larkin need some bullies to back him up.

[@nickfury8973]

Trouba might hold up against this trade since apparently his wife is doing her residency at one of the NY hospitals and has one more year to go. They don’t want to go long distance for a year. And they just had a baby. We will see by Monday how this gonna shake out

[@benjaminbrewer7614]

Now that is good info, not what these clowns throw out.

[@thenickfoxx]

Brad severely under rates the talent level on this team and the prospects to come. I love you Brad and I agree with you alot, but you couldn't possibly know how these kids are going to turn out and you make it sound like you do sometimes lol.

[@jessecoonce1363]

No one knows obviously, he's projecting based on the fact that none of Kasper, Danielson, or MBN has put up overly impressive numbers in the leagues they have played in at time of draft(or D+1 and D+2 for Kasper and Danielson respectively). Generally players that have displayed limited offense in the lower levels don't all of a sudden become scoring dynamos in the best league in the world. Yzerman consistently drafts high floor over upside, I don't see why people have such a struggle accepting that.

[@chrismills8255]

Draft was underwhelming Trouba is washed, Rangers would have to give up an asset to dump his contract to a team that wasn’t as desperate as Detroit. D was better with Walman than they’d be with Trouba.

[@davidkruse4030]

Walman worked himself out of the lineup. It will be interfering to see if he can play again or if he will be any good for San Jose. He was a 3rd pairing dman playing on the top line on a bad team.

[@nickfury8973]

Worked better with Walman? He was out of the lineup by the end of the season And Walman is LHD, while Trouba is RHD

[@chrismills8255]

Mo & Walman, Simon & Petry is a better top 4, when you consider cap hits and assists moved, than the lineup you get with a regressing Trouba.

[@chrismills8255]

*assets moved

[@benjaminbrewer7614]

The Yzerplan is no plan, just lip service from an uneducated guy over his head with a bunch of uneducated cronies working for him. The Red Wings answer to nepotism.

[@doozey365]

Did u see Yzerman's response to Max about why he gave a 2nd round to shed Walman's contract? He basically said that the trade to Nashville was to get a 2nd and get comparable prospect, so he could offload money. So basically he did a deal so he could get a "free" 2nd round pick to offload money and a roster spot. I still think its a bad justification of giving away assets for free. Steve acts like because he did shenanigans for that 2nd pick we didnt have before that we didnt lose anything. Its a 2nd round pick, are they not valuable anymore?

[@chrismills8255]

Stevie is being exposed. It’s not so easy to “build” a winner when you don’t inherit Stamkos and Hedman on their ELCs.

[@lbt782]

@@chrismills8255 That is not Stevie being exposed. Its a general fact!! It is hard to build a winner PERIOD!!! Just because you can make moves on NHL Video games and fantasy leagues, thats not real life!!

[@Tyler-ml6ip]

Awful draft class

[@DavidMcKinstry]

Nobody manspreads quite like Brad

[@We-to9gp]

And nobody points it out quicker than @DavidMcKinstry

[@RedWingsFanClub]

Manspread? Is this part of the new generations new gender B.S.?

[@davideggleston1031]

beaver shots?

[@roberthaynes1156]

Brad: 2017 is the last time the Wings did not take a European in the first round. Danielson and Cossa: Are we jokes to you?

[@Skedos]

They also took Edvinsson in the Cossa draft and Sandin-Pellikka in the Danielson draft.

[@roberthaynes1156]

@@Skedos They sure did, but Brad did not say they have taken a European first round in every draft since 2017. He said 2017 was the last time the Wings did not take a European in the first round.

[@Skedos]

@@roberthaynes1156 I'm so confused are you saying Brads statement was false? Or was the point of your comment something else? Because the two things you laid out in your newest comment here are literally the exact same thing.

[@Skedos]

@@roberthaynes1156 Oohh I see what you mean, but saying they've taken a european in the first round every year since 2017 doesn't mean you're saying they've ONLY taken europeans.

[@roberthaynes1156]

@@Skedos Yes, Brad was wrong in what he said...but mostly I was just poking a little fun at him for it. It was really a C level joke at best that clearly did not even land at that grade. Everyone here is now dumber for having read it and may god may mercy on my soul.

[@templetonvonfleshbeak8915]

Hage no skill. MBN huge ceiling in terms of building a winning team.

[@jessecoonce1363]

Hage has no skill but MBN does? Interesting take.

[@razmsu00]

Yikes. Video is a bad idea, fellas.

[@benjaminbrewer7614]

Who cares about all these other teams? by midnight all these names will mostly be forgotten. Let's talk redwings only on a redwings podcast. I get the impression that you guys are trying to show how informed you are. I could care less.

[@TitleistGuy]

Cool, more 30+ year old retreads. I really love Steve, but wtf is this team? We're gonna MISS Larkins prime. He's the real victim here bc this team WILL NOT win during his tenure at this rate... and that's tragic

[@wyattbarnes9641]

True, don’t understand the direction of this team. They need 2-3 big hits on these last couple first round picks or this team is destined for more mediocrity. The signings are crippling and if we can no longer trust Steve to not mismanage assets than the Wings are in trouble.

[@Bulltrapaskslap]

Should have traded larkin and actually rebuilt

[@gregorybiestek3431]

@@Bulltrapaskslap HELL NO!!!!!!

[@Bulltrapaskslap]

@gregorybiestek3431 tough to hear bro but we didn't signed stop gap players and larkin now have no cap space lol

[@gregorybiestek3431]

@@Bulltrapaskslap Excuse me, but $31.87 million in cap money to spend on Raymond, Seider, and free agents is NO CAP SPACE? Where did you learn mathematics? As for the rest I would absolutely want Detroit to be within the last couple of points of a playoff spot the next couple of years rather than suffering ANOTHER seven years rebuilding all over again.