2024 Nissan Frontier Pro-4x: Better than GMC Canyon AT4 Off-Road?

[@billgeorge8415]

I'm looking at the Chevy, Toy, and the Nissan, and the Nissan is winning. The value is there, it looks good, and has an amount of "truck features" I think are applicable to 90% of buyers. I really wanted a Tacoma, but their price point is bullshit.

[@mikesawyer1336]

An odd but honest review. I’d bet this trucks 3.8l v6 will last longer than the Gm 2.7 4l Turbo…

[@GTGarageTalk]

Time will tell.

[@Blue-moon12]

GM aren't known for great reliability with small displacement turbo engines...Cruze. uh hem. I agree the naturally aspirated will have better longevity.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I’ve got 11 years and 80,000+ on my Cruze…

[@patriotsouthern8123]

@@GTGarageTalklol 80,000 over 11 years? Do you walk everywhere? The frontier should last 250,000 to 300,000 miles or more.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@patriotsouthern8123 lol. Well, reviewing vehicles has afforded me less miles on my personal vehicles.

[@TheSouthPaw]

The Frontier will outlast the Colorado, Canyon, Tacoma & Ranger. Proven long lasting technology.

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@Blue-moon12]

You keep saying "ancient" and "old" like it is a bad thing. New doesn't always mean better. The frame is carried over, but has been modified. It has no fancy gimmicks and has enough tech to keep it modern. If feels and drives like a truck. Nissan never made this to be THE best midsize truck, but wanted a truck that could do everything competently and, it does exactly that. I felt your review overall was good, especially showcasing the off road capabilities.

[@GTGarageTalk]

There is some fun charm to this truck that is missing in its modern counterparts.

[@DrSinisster]

I think since it competes with others with better Tech those points are Valid. Sure buying a simple proven vehicle with texh that is closer to a 2013 then a 2023 is a point to be made. I persoanlly hated the Nissan. It looked like a Teenagers dream Truck, had outdated tech, seemed like a light truck not a Mid-Size. Was really small IMO, and it lasting longer than I will own it doesn’t matter to me. Which is why we differ on opinion no doubt on that. Time will tell I may eat crow one day 👍

[@brad4527]

Nissan all Day! these were my Nissans 1989,1993,2005. loved them all. The all kicked Ass

[@GTGarageTalk]

😎

[@rlh766]

I just bought this truck ( even the same color) for me it came down to dependability. There are plenty of Frontiers on the road with 200k-250k miles on them.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Enjoy it.

[@domdrty]

I know this video is a few months old, but I'm seeing Frontier Pro-4X at 4-5K under MSRP right now.

[@mauropineda6589]

I live in LA, I’ve actually seen them with a 5K mark up. Was disappointed and couldn’t believe it since I was set on a Pro 4X. Gotta keep looking though

[@backwoodstherapy]

The Nissan Frontier isn't that "ancient." It was redesigned for what, the 2021 model year? 2022? Yeah it's got a naturally aspirated V6 but it's got a modern transmission and decent tech. It's not a 4Runner for sure. As far as which truck is best off road, they all have similar ground clearance, approach, departure and break over angles. The Frontier is, however, the cheapest mid sized on the market without itself being cheap (I'm of the mind the new Taco is way overpriced). I'd take a Frontier over a Taco any day

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for watching.

[@KrazyKajun602]

I prefer a simple stance truck and let the consumer decide on their preference on when and how they want their truck lifted or not. These on the lot lifted trucks can run up to 10k+ extra depending on the features. I rather buy the entry version of the Pro 4x and I can review and buy the lift, tires, wheels that I like and fits into my budget.

[@Slaize]

pro-4x should have used their nismo suspension that's sold seperately and gave it a slight lift on the pro4x trim, or at least option it from the factory.

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@JohnnyRebLa]

AGREE 100%, you have most likely run across a comment of mine somewhere asking why in the hell nissan doesn't lift their trucks whatsoever anymore. Clearance is the only issue I see with the frontier. Why they quit lifting their trucks after the first gen frontier is beyond me.

[@brianm_0017]

Ahhhh… that’s the beauty of Frontier… everyone gets the same truck lowering the price… upgrades cost. But these trucks are very easy to mod in their simplicity. It’s an enthusiasts truck. Best at nothing, but 2nd best at everything.

[@Misfit_Z71]

I was thinking the same thing but then I realized that this is a great budget off-road truck that's just as good as a TRD. They also have a great aftermarket for it too. Nissan did also announce the foresberg edition package

[@JohnnyRebLa]

@jeanclaude7018 some people don't like trucks so should they just sell cars? I do understand what you are saying and agree to a point. No one is saying all frontiers should touch the sky but what happened to them picking up a few 4×4's . The majority of people getting pro4x's or a 4×4 aren't going to be so disabled they are looking for a 4×4 lowrider for the daily commute.

[@Brownlightning1990]

Frontier is the BEST truck in the mid size market

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@Logjammer69]

Lifetime Gm guy bought a new Pro4x. Gm can keep the trash 4cyl.

[@TheItalianstallion90]

Do a side by side drive comparison between this truck which you seem already biased against

[@GTGarageTalk]

I’m not sure I follow.

[@EricNelsonYT]

I have those same tires on my Z71 Tahoe & they're a great compromise. Great on road with essentially no more road noise than a highway tire. Off-Road they are great unless you get into deep mud, no A/T is great in deep mud... But a Mud Terrain tire is so compromised on-road that it becomes hard to justify for a daily.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for sharing

[@clintperry799]

I have a 2024 pro4x and love it ! It's a great truck and fast. I'm not a big off roader. Just test drive one so we'll built. Turning radius could be better though.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Right on!

[@Palps93]

Nice video. I’ve seen a lot of videos talking about which off roader is better and what I find is, all of them do get up the hill in the end. If you measure success like that, then they are all great!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Very true.

[@JohnnyRebLa]

Down in the comments is where you find the best. On the TFL best off road mid size truck I saw way more positive comments about frontier than any other.

[@DanielTojcic]

Really like this truck and all that it offers compared to it's competitors

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@Sasquatchflow]

The hood doesn’t open very high because it’s on a “downward slope” hahaha

[@beemerkid1]

Looking at getting a midsize very soon, down to 3 this in boulder grey, Colorado zr2 and the 24 Tacoma , this is where I broke it down, best looking is the zr2 by far (imo) but the tech (everything in the screen and no buttons) huge down side, turbo 4 huge down side, and transmission huge down side . The Tacoma , over priced and transmission problems , this is honestly the best bang for the buck , it’s fairly simple , it’s reliable , and it can be affordable. I’m going to Nissan today.

[@derf95]

I wonder how it goes through the snow?

[@matiasferrer4700]

Good grief! This is plenty of truck for me. My first rig was a 1985 Toyota regular cab. Bare bones. This has just the right tech and utilities I need. I should have it before end of spring.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Enjoy it!!!

[@clintperry799]

I love mine !

[@TheItalianstallion90]

It's the best midsize truck on the market right now considering its platform like chassis has been time tested. As far as looks it's probably when the nicest looking midsize trucks out on the market currently

[@GTGarageTalk]

It’s a solid offering for sure. As long as you don’t need the back seat.

[@joesteele3159]

Ancient trucks are exactly what truck guys want.

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@vehiclenanny]

I'm now in the market for a vehicle with more utility and have put the Frontier on my consideration list. I'm attracted to its straightforward design and proven mechanicals. I've been around "all-new" vehicles my entire life and can say all-new is not always a good thing. If something works great, leave it alone. Based on the high number of views of this video, your audience is probably thinking the same thing.

[@GTGarageTalk]

The simplicity of its V6 and other mechanicals make it the obvious, no-frills choice.

[@4rr44E]

Ancient!? Not sure I follow all these reviewers adopting the narratives from each other. I’ll take an NA engine all day long.

[@GTGarageTalk]

More glamorous headline than “not a modern turbo/hybrid abomination” lol

[@robertyoung8289]

As a happy Tacoma TRD PRO owner I will never buy another Tacoma again. It would definitely be the Frontier for me. Everything you despise is what alot of us admire. Could be a age thing.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I don’t despise anything on this truck.

[@marcosalguero6676]

The 2024 Toyota Tacoma is the same Chevy Colorado body

[@tomhenderson7972]

I have a 22 sv 4x4 king cab. I have never felt like it was lacking power. I can't imagine why it would need more.

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@spyder000069]

Have you ever towed 5k or more with it? I am considering one as something more comfortable and daily driver friendly over my f250 but I do have a 16 and 20 foot enclosed trailer that I would like to tow with it. I feel like towing is where the frontier will fall short compared to the higher torque of the other brands with turbo.

[@tomhenderson7972]

@spyder000069 No, I haven't. My trailer is 1800, and I can't even feel it.

[@KyleBarker-m7d]

I have an at4 1500. I’m looking for a smaller one to get around in and this is amazing!

[@naterosas1466]

What suspension would you suggest to add to the truck for a cleaner ride when off roading?

[@michaelbury1941]

I love this truck but what great value? It's 65$ more a month than a similar Z71 here in Eastern Canada.

[@GTGarageTalk]

They are close in price, but we are seeing pretty significant discounts on the Frontier here that we aren’t seeing on Canyon/Colorado

[@gordmonteath6090]

Thats likely interest rate difference. Canyon rates inn Edmonton 5.94 nissan pro 4x rates 8.49%. I have been following Colorado and Canyon for well over a year as wanting to buy but all the problems with them scares me. Started looking at Pro 4X and loaded are at least 3k less

[@haciendadad]

I like this Frontier and I never plan on going off-roading, maybe mild at most but I want a mid-size truck to pull a boat on steep, slippery boat ramps. I don't need high wheel travel or max distance clearance. I was actually thinking of a street truck but they are boring looking and maybe with this Frontier I might get off-road but never at an extreme level. So this truck at the top of my list, with the Tacoma, but they are hard to find and now there is a HUGE recall, and I saw a 1 month old 2024 Tacoma TRD break the front diff in a video, so the Tacoma's were already backlogged, this recall may make it harder to find.

[@350sofast]

biased, negative review..."ancient, odd, old"...comparing a$45k to a $60k truck

[@GTGarageTalk]

🤔 seems you got lost on those words and didn’t notice that I liked it in spite of its older design and tech. Also, the trucks are nearly the same price. Frontier Starting MSRP: $39,300 ($43,900 AT4) Frontier Price as tested: $47,630 ($49,355 AT4)

[@twobeagles1365]

The frontier would probably perform better off-road with some aggressive tires on it , a locking front differential would be awesome.!

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@moichamoy2274]

Old? You should see the 2020-2021 frontier prior to the refresh.

[@morningdrums]

It really looks like it should have a lift with bigger tires. Is there any off road builds for this?

[@GTGarageTalk]

Yes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZq0mZiff6ulqrMsi=TsqgepDlp5fbndJ9

[@digitalshooter2905]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2S9co2KbMRlaNk kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqqmlIiZos2HmMU These are just a couple. Course you could always look on the Nissan Frontiers forum to get more.

[@chrisbennett1037]

Sure, they even sell them as a NISMO item out dealership has one with a Nismo 1.5 or 2" cant remember" lift on it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIabnn-Vjpxmbs0

[@WeBoogie28]

That’s not so, the older Engine specs was 4.0 rated at 265 hp.. not 3.8 with 310 hp

[@GTGarageTalk]

Correct. It got a new engine in 2021. New body in 2022

[@morningdrums]

Suspension wise, wonder if all of it will be upgraded to more trail dampening. I would think they would want this truck to compete better with other off road trucks.

[@gnic76]

Lots of after market upgrades available for the Nissan.

[@morningdrums]

The size of this frontier I think is almost perfect. But I really feel this should have a lift with more aggressive tires. I really wish they designed the wheel wells to be wider and bigger and wish they came out with an off-road suspension for this Frontier pro 4x to dampen all that trail bobble.

[@ApArt1003]

DIFFNITELY I WILL BUY THIS FRONTIER ON IT'S LAST 2 OR YEAR. FOR NOW I'LL LET THE PAWN BUYERS TEST IT FIRST UNTIL NISSAN IRON ALL THE BUGS. I STILL HAVE MY 2012 PATHFINDER LAST YEAR MODEL 0 ISSUES. I LIKE IT. NO NON SENSE ELECTRONIC FEATURES, EASY TO WORK AND MAINTAIN.

[@Tradman47]

It does everything you need a truck to do and it's reasonably priced 😊

[@GTGarageTalk]

It’s good stuff.

[@Eightball2516]

Those turbo trucks won’t last as long as this v6 will at 100k those turbos will have oil blow by I would choose the frontier over all of the other mid sized trucks

[@gnic76]

More buttons, less touch screen would seem to be better choice, especially off roading, didn't GMC remove the manual headlight switch on the 2023 Canyon and put it into a touch screen? wth! I think Nissan tried to keep the price down, making it somewhat more affordable for the buyers that don't always go off road but wanted a mid-size off road capable truck. Seems like there are lots of after market accessories available such as lift kits or get a lift added from dealer if you need a bit more clearance.

[@danielnew4190]

I would buy one but it doesn’t have awd option and living in Ohio where we get a lot of sleet and snow It’s nice to have that option, so I am buying the new GMC canyon at4 it offers awd 4high and 4low.

[@bscabl]

I live in upstate NY.. my 2023 pro4x handles wonderful in the snow.. when things get sketch i slap it into 4h and drive like its not even snowing

[@randomuser3555]

At least you don't run the risk of spooling the turbo with zero boost, less chance of overheating the oil (turbo) as well as the fact that turbos put a lot of stress on an engine! Also, cheaper maintenance and much longer life. Tiny 4cyl with turbos on big trucks as well as V6 engines with twin turbos for massive full size engines...shorter life, ask a new Tundra owner if they love little engines turbo charged for full and mid-size trucks. (recalled)

[@chadmonroe4145]

I do find this truck appealing but I have read negative reviews concerning the reliability of the transmission. Are there any owners out there who can agree or disagree?

[@GTGarageTalk]

Another good place for reliability research is car complaints.

[@phw2274]

I have a 2022 SV 4x4 crew cab. 40,000 trouble free miles. The 9 speed is one of the things I've liked most about my truck. It always finds the right gear to be in. Nissan cvts have proven troublesome in past years, and people have a hard time letting that go, but this 9 speed is fantastic. An awesome truck for those that want a real truck.

[@Blue-moon12]

I own a 2023 Pro 4x. The 9 speed had some issues in 2022 that was rectified and small numbers, but no issues I'm 2023 or 2024s so far.

[@clintperry799]

I have a 2024 only time will tell. My first thought it's great ! Motor and tranny match perfectly. 😊

[@savillecreations8046]

There was a transmission recall in 2022. I almost didn’t buy my 2023 Pro 4x when I learned of that. But I heard it was fixed so I took a chance. It’s been a year now and so far it’s great.

[@raesmart3305]

I think 90% like the simple dash and the six cylinder engine. If it’s reliable and if the 4 wheel system can handle a forest trunk road it’s a keeper.

[@smittysmitty481]

Nice truck for the money!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Yup

[@RidingwithDRod]

not a bad truck but considering the Canyon At4 or At4x has front & rear lockers, higher suspension, multi-terrain modes, under body cameras, and larger tires, more torque, I would get the AT4x any day. The Nissan is nice but seems like a normal mid-size pickup truck.. nothing special about it.. Looks more like a regular work truck. but at that price point, it makes sense for those looking for a decent pickup truck that can last for years without doing anything special. I just did a configuration build for a Frontier with all the bells and whistles, including leather and tech pkg. It came out to $52k. For $54k I can get a fully equipped Canyon AT4X that has more bells and whistles and looks amazing just standing still. Thanks for sharing.

[@DouglasB65]

I bought a 2024 Pro 4X fully loaded with every option in early August for $45k out the door, MSRP was just shy of $51k. Absolutely love this truck. Never had the need for a front locker, multi terrain modes, which sounds more like a marketing gimmick, it should be just on road or off road...lol.

[@omg.2tsx_alex593]

AT4 / Trail Boss does not come with front locker, and only has g80 auto rear, unlike Pro 4x you can lock when you please. AT4X / ZR2 come with front and rear but cost is about 10-13 thousand more (can pick up Pro 4x’s now about 6-8 under MSRP). Pro 4x over AT4 / Trail Boss all day

[@Blue-moon12]

Did he complain about having to read the word "camera"😂😂

[@GTGarageTalk]

Not complaining, just stating a fact. Point of difference from many others. 😉

[@Blue-moon12]

@@GTGarageTalk Wasn't having a go, just made me chuckle.

[@GTGarageTalk]

😉

[@chiefman8316]

Why so much emphasis on off-roading How many fools would spend 45k for a beautiful Truck to climb rocks and jump ditches ???

[@GTGarageTalk]

This is the off road review. I have a separate, on road review. But this is the Off-road model

[@Blue-moon12]

That's exactly what they're built for haha!

[@pistachiobandanos]

some fool that doesn't want to deal with breaking down 10km away from the nearest road on the trail.

[@Slaize]

The pro-4x is supposed to be the off road ready trim.

[@mightyoneish1]

My thoughts exactly. I’ve got a Ridgeline and it’s been down some two tracks but I bought it because someone said it’s just a Pilot with a truck bed. I said you say that like it’s a bad thing. 😃

[@johnstrand2247]

Nice truck except for the bad turning radius which makes it prohibitive for a short circular driveway with a trailer.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Or our 90° turn at the top of a 13° incline.

[@backnu]

Such a negative review! Nissan, please count how many times he called the truck old and ancient. I would not lend him another review unit. Like ever !

[@GTGarageTalk]

Even if it’s good in spite of its age? 🤔 By the way, we are in an INFINITI right now. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@D41Michigan]

"Old and ancient" Objectively speaking the 3rd gen Frontier is built off the bones of the 2nd Gen Frontier dating back to 2005. For the sake of simplicity, it's pretty much a 2005 Frontier with a new body and interior. Even the 3.8 and 9 speed carried over from the 2nd Gen.

[@backnu]

@@D41Michigan I agree. I just think he was a bit excessive.

[@maximasforrester8689]

The canyon at4 has a car engine it's not a truck lol

[@GTGarageTalk]

That’s one way to look at it.

[@johnsanfilippo2516]

Isn't this engine also derived from a car engine?

[@pnwdweler4100]

Isn’t it from the half ton Silverado and Sierra?

[@robertcurtis3807]

Ford Ranger: 2.3 liter four cylinder single turbo. Toyota Tacoma: 2.3 liter four cylinder single turbo. Probably belongs to Subaru 😂 Canyon/Colorado: 2.7 Liter four cylinder single turbo. Mavericks 2.0 single turbo garbage. Aka small sub with a truck bed cut out, with a small car’s engine.

[@josephdomino77]

Wrong! It’s a truck engine. It’s in the Silverado for 3years. Not offered in any other vehicle

[@chrislush9462]

I will lease turbo charged trucks but I would buy a naturally aspirated V6

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@danwinters3948]

just think what it would do with better tires !

[@dannymajestici6344]

Can anyone do a reliability comparison ?rather than trim ? Trim is secondary to reliability ! What’s the use of a trimmed up truck that doesn’t work lol

[@GTGarageTalk]

Reliability takes more time than we are allowed with one week of time in a vehicle. Some brands do loan vehicles for longer, but without buying one ourselves and testing it for at least a year, that is all we can provide. I would recommend sites like carcomplaints.com for reliability issues.

[@BillsAutoService]

You forgot about the GM G80. Comes in all colorados and canyons. Mechanical locker that work at only 100rpm difference. You don't even have to push a button. Been around since the 70s.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I haven’t forgotten. I’ve tested it (and owned one) in theory it is a great idea. In practice an e locker is better.

[@BillsAutoService]

​@GTGarageTalk mine works great. Yes, if you do some serious rock crawling, electric lockers work great, but 99.99999% of the time there's no need for one with the g80.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Happy that has been your experience. Thanks for watching.

[@harrybaulz666]

All that torque coming out of little éngines not good

[@clintperry799]

Turbos , I will pass !

[@GTGarageTalk]

Sadly it seems to be the way of the present (not even the future anymore).

[@josephdomino77]

Nissan has mostly turbos except for the pathfinder which is moving to a turbo 4. The Altima has a non turbo 4 eventually the frontier will have it as well. Ford has been running turbos for 15 years now with no major problems

[@TheItalianstallion90]

Glad you called yourself ancient

[@GTGarageTalk]

Caught that did ya?

[@framusburns-hagstromiii808]

They got everything right EXCEPT not offering a long bed version or King cab at the Pro4X level. It's a mid-sized pickup. If I needed a Tow/haul vehicle I would go to a full size truck. The SV trim level offers those configuration which are ideal for most practical users of a pickup ( those needing a tool and not a mobile internet cafe/mobile home entertainment center/staus symbol). This is just a hit piece ...completely biased. This guy should have bought a different truck.

[@Sasquatchflow]

People, don’t forget it’s a truck “not a jeep”

[@Sirkazzerino]

Using "Low torque" as a critique like the truck doesnt have a completely adequate towing capacity, and lets be real... who needs 400 ft/lbs of torque in a midsize truck? If you NEED those torque levels, buy a fullsize...

[@jordanaraujo2579]

For trails like that you shouldn't even be in 4hi. I think Nissan has more confidence in the intelligence of their customers than the competition.

[@brianhoyt2469]

Can’t knock that trying to climb that incline in 4H with those garbage tires in loose gravel/soil. SMH 🤦🏼‍♂ It’s a decent truck at the price point if you’re not looking for something with a serious level of off road capability, but it has nothing on the Colorado or Canyon even the Elevation trim Canyon with the G80 has so much more real applicable capability than what you highlighted on paper stats. What the Nissan really has going for it is Nissans current situation with highly overstocked vehicles they’re offering very good deals when pushed.

[@GTGarageTalk]

You can snag one for a steal now for sure.

[@honestabe1940]

Offroading? Please, Grandma!

[@bgb946]

Your going to take a brand new truck on the road more than off road. So would rather have a truck built for comfort on road vs off road ability. Dirt roads and gravel don't count and that's what most people count as off road. I think of off road as there isn't a road at all and wouldn't do that in a new truck.

[@JohnnyRebLa]

Wheel travel isn't something you get on a vehicle sitting on the ground.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Wheel travel is a key component of articulation and keeping tires on the ground. It’s not just for jumping.

[@JohnnyRebLa]

@@GTGarageTalk no doubt. An area nissan needs to pay more attention to. Something set up with it's belly on the ground is most likely going to have very little wheel travel. Sway bar kills some of that too.

[@JohnnyRebLa]

@@GTGarageTalk I got you I just went back and read both of our comments I think we had a misunderstanding. When I was talking about sitting on the ground I meant nissan putting no lift or anything along those lines on their trucks anymore. I didn't mean you needed to jump that thing in the air to get some wheel travel. 😁

[@LaughingWolf18]

Tell me how you really feel about it 🤣

[@clintperry799]

If your going off road get a Rubicon , no brainer !

[@eliteexposure5594]

GM i4= not good. Cruze are the worst reliable car known to man 😂

[@GTGarageTalk]

And yet I’ve not had catastrophe after catastrophe with mine. lol.

[@jceechure2016]

All turbo engines cars i had were poop do not last a long time 😢. Nissan is the way togo.

[@tonyb.5768]

It has 4wd you turn it on and turn it off

[@GTGarageTalk]

Correct. A 2 speed transfer case.

[@WeBoogie28]

Not ancient, it’s redesign

[@GTGarageTalk]

new body on an old platform. 😉

[@clintperry799]

I hate 4 bangers and stick a turbo on it , I'm out !

[@yasminguzman6143]

Nissan is good untill get aroud 60 ,000 miles then pray for transmission

[@tonyd9223]

💯😂😂😂😂 almost half the torque of my dads 23 canyon stop it my sides hurt😂😂. Took it up a steady 0-40 degree angle 2 miles long during the freak country wide snow storm during February with at least 5 inches of snow covered road at 3 A.M.

[@fitoaguirre8766]

Frontier still looks cheap to me and for 4x4 it still sucks i don't care how much you Frontier lovers try to pick it up "Frontier sucks" tacoma is still number 1👍