2024 Topps Chrome Basketball Hobby Boxes. The Numbers Don't Add Up

[@TheSportsCardDad]

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[@coltscards1338]

Keep flooding the media and Panini Topps Fanatics email they will eventually have to stop

[@adamkropelnicki6220]

If Superfractors are 1:581,208 hobby packs and the checklist is 190 cards that means there are 110,429,520 packs at 22.50$ a pack that works out to 2,484,664,200$, I mean I know inflation but come on Topps just hit the PowerBall.

[@montana01]

Believe that was the Lebron super fractor odds

[@hustlecrowe9440]

Inflation? Inflation: 2023 was 3.5%, 2024 is 3%. Its price gouging.

[@TheBargainBoxer]

The numbers DO add up. It’s called 10x’ing their profits……

[@bcarr1752]

amen that is the only thing they ever cared about 10x'ing

[@coleharris5838]

Fanatics true colors coming out. Profit profit profit

[@balance1619]

too many gamblers and degens in the hobby now, its been years now i only collect pokemon because the sports card world is just disgusting now. i dont get how some of these boxes are coming out at 900 dollars and its STILL flying off the shelves. the companies are gross but the hobby itself and the people in it are even worst, they wouldnt do it if these people didnt buy out the boxes 20 minutes after they go live.

[@TheBargainBoxer]

@@coleharris5838 I thought Fanatics was supposed to save the hobby??? That’s like people who said Nat Turner was going to save PSA when he bought it since he’s “one of us”. HE AIN’T ONE OF US!!!! AND, Fanatics don’t give 2 shitz about us!!!!!!!

[@coleharris5838]

​@TheBargainBoxer until they focus on the consumer and stop this whole breaker bs prices will continue to climb. Supply vs artificial demand. Wait until we see topps football hobby box prices 😂 people are going to be pissed. 😂

[@johnnypopsicle]

I passed on a box because thought it was $100 to high. I guess licensed will be double. I wouldn't buy these from anyone, you have to assume anyone who can afford a case can afford a scanner

[@simon466cards]

Agree with all of this. But this isn’t only a Topps phenomenon. Applies to Panini licensed products too! 😀

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Most certainly

[@coreyparker4320]

Panini is worse

[@jayguiliano2310]

for a 192 base card set, a person would presumably need to open at least 3 boxes with reasonable collation to complete a a single base card set - probably some doubles and triples of the base cards after opening; but a $900 investment for the base card set, minus whatever non-base card hit value is attained, not ideal - that's a bit steep for any "collector" of sets

[@pickzkickz]

Only Wemby worth anything.

[@mangobango6970]

Im sure ct scanners will help them find the lebrons and wembys, so unless you bought during the presell good luck.

[@DeadPandaSociety]

Oh 99% of this product is trash, and the big KZbinrs are pushing it. Honestly buying into hobby boxes or any sealed product aren’t for the average person. It’s fun but not worth it singles are the only way the average person can be in this hobby.

[@pixman1945]

I’m resigned to the fact that they make only a few products for the general public. The rest are for gamblers. This is a poor long term strategy.

[@vanbeekbr]

Agreed. Fanatics is a terrible steward of the hobby. At this point, panini is just trying to milk the last years they can - so I get their pricing.. which makes the topps prices even more dumb as they had a chance to put the final nail in the panini coffin by making more affordable sets

[@superbiaant]

@@vanbeekbrExactly! If I want overpriced boxes I can keep buying Panini.

[@LumberNumbers]

At this point no doubt about it. $450 for an unlicensed product. No thanks

[@s.macintosh-jc9rf]

Hi Dustin, Thanks for your math on the release of Topps Chrome Basketball 🏀. I instinctively felt that this was a ‘miss’ release for my taste but your math shows this product for what it really is. The prerelease price is off the wall. Anyone who criticized Panini should get into line to chastise Topps as well. Fanatics is not the saviour of the hobby. It’s a business pure and simple. Thanks for hearing me out. Best Wishes, Peter

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Thanks Peter!

[@donnyleonard8576]

Agreed over priced but no more or even less so than Panini's hobby boxes. The new Mosaic just released today on their site for $450. I've just came back to this hobby since stopping in the mid 90's and not bought either box yet but seems like all the hobby boxes are pretty steep. Thanks for the great info and interesting video.

[@LumberNumbers]

Since covid yes. It was like that before

[@AdultArtsAndCraftssportscards]

The person or company that finds a way to give all base cards some real value...will be the savior of the hobby

[@johnnypopsicle]

They use gambling machines now. PSA 10 base cards lol

[@AdultArtsAndCraftssportscards]

@johnnypopsicle bro I saw that....that is f**king wild...

[@mjcollector1million]

First, I agree with you, I refuse to buy any ultra modern wax because the value just isn’t there for the price. But to play devil’s advocate, is it Topps/Fanatics’ responsibility to worry about the secondary market? I would say no, as long as people are willing to buy it in the first place. If it's not worth it, it'll be left on the shelfs like prizm blasters of 2019 basketball and 2020 football, junk wax etc. Also, is Topps/Fanatics even capable of predicting the value a person gets out of the box? There’s plenty of rare cards that have little value and (relatively) common cards that have plenty of value; only the market can dictate that. How can Fanatics predict how the market will value something and should they even be responsible for doing that. Lastly, I’d say 90% of customers have always lost on opening sealed wax. Look at a Beckett from the 90’s or any time period and look at the values, you’re not getting your money back and that didn’t matter. Frankly, I hope 99% of people get skunked. Maybe people would stop buying wax and the market would correct itself and prices will come down. I enjoy your content as always!

[@gametimeinternational]

Fanatics needs to implement a buy back program for base cards. That would create some incentive to no throw away the cards that no one wants. 100 base cards of a player or something like that fetches a free hobby box. Definitely need to resurrect base. Awesome analysis on all this man 🎉🎉

[@TheOleg33]

What about the topps chrome blaster box?

[@ThorsTradingCards-dk5oz]

I agree with draft class concept but what sucks is that the better the draft class the more expensive the box. It’s likely an exponential increase too which sucks even more

[@o_da_dread]

I barely ever rip boxes. Just always seemed like a great way to throw your money in the trash. It’s very seldom that I just feel like wasting money. And when I do I can usually think of more fun ways to do so Lol.

[@jrsportscardschronicles3587]

Only people that are going to make money off this garbage is breakers. Everyone else going to lose big with this unlicensed TC crap.

[@TheRealJohnHamp]

I would be very surprised if 10% of the boxes have $400+ in value. Maybe right out the gate but definitely not once singles prices come down. The worst part is I think that the 90% of boxes that lose money will likely return less than about $50 worth of cards.

[@Cosmo-LokiWiebke]

Like Panini!

[@videogames9829]

@@Cosmo-LokiWiebke , i've spent 400-700 on some hobby boxes, and didn't even get 10 percent value. Hobby boxes are suffering from heavy inflation. People are making their cash. You don't hit the top player, you're losing money. It's atrocious.

[@montana01]

I don’t hate the product as much as others. Agreed 150$ seems like a good sweet spot. I think the base and parallel Wemby rookies will do well. Brandon Miller and scoot rookie autos. Hard to believe they sold 100,000 cases in like 10 minutes before it sold out.

[@Mike-z7l2q]

As someone who is a true sports fan - not just a card fan - and love unis/swag, licensing is important. Aesthetics of the cards are important. If they're gonna release something before having the licensing rights, price it well below $300...

[@nunzi83]

The K cards price comparison chart isn’t accurate for what you said. It’s prob worse. The numbers are chart look like secondary market price few weeks after release. 2023 pre order was $125ish and 2024 was $190. Either way. It’s a big increase. 2023 was a gift on pre order mainly bc fanatics prob didn’t know how to price it. They learned quickly for following year. 2023 was first year they decreases the amount of autos per box

[@ProBenny2K]

I tired getting a box for myself and the website kept crashing so I’m guessing the bots got them before me

[@toppssportcardd]

Who ever you got your information on the pre-sale price of chrome last year 135. I bought several hobby boxes.

[@mrbob8618]

Depends who you went through

[@shawtymooresshortpulls8615]

Surely you are more aware of the other top rookies on the checklist. B Miller, Scoot and several others did not sign for Panini

[@BobBoozle]

My first exposure to this release was several posts/videos saying these cards are ugly. Then I saw a round of posts/videos saying these things are too expensive. Is Topps really promoting this product?

[@RaysLBJScards]

That’s why I would never buy box. I always buy singles really I just buy all graded cards so I know what I’m getting.

[@jamesgottshall5688]

Mathematically it’s always better to pay the price for a single. The fun and price you’re paying for is the chase. You must make that decision before you jump into any product.

[@wp8639]

When comparing to Panini Prizm Basketball hobby its still way cheaper. I saw so many KZbinrs opening that box for 1k plus and got absolutely nothing not even 1 auto. Thoughts?

[@TheSportsCardDad]

by no means was I saying Panini products are 'a better deal'. All of it is way overpriced

[@Mike-z7l2q]

Panini is not only a rip-off, but their designs are far worse than Topps/Bowman. Only Color Blast is simplistic/clean looking....the others are busy-looking and appear as though a kid designed them. The insert names are cheesy too.

[@SS-pc6dg]

People love ugly cards, tier one, museum, Select (everything looks blurry), etc. but what do you expect? Look at the majority of collectors... they typically are not the most attractive bunch with a sophisticated fashion sense so I would not expect their taste in cards to be very good either. Personally I don't want a large obnoxious border or images of the player to be kilroyesque but look at the logoman cards... hideous. I'd rather have a signed 8x10 of Jerry West than any logoman card (easy instant sell) but what do I know. Any unlicensed product is garbage IMO but so many people are treating cards as a business versus a hobby. The moment you stop collecting and buy a card in the hopes of flipping it and making money it becomes a business. As long as greedy idiots keep buying garbage cards to sell to even less mentally capable idiots the manufacturers won't change a thing. The moment real collectors (the end owners of the cards) stop buying any card whatsoever the manufacturers and flippers will be caught holding the bag. Even the Topps president was happy to say they cater to young kids by selling them cards for "cheap" which are not intended to have any future value... WTF and he was proud to do that. No one wants to buy something with real money knowing it is intended to have no future value. What does the cosmos and baseball have to do with one another? Nothing but some people love the look of those cards... I can't help them and I doubt anybody can. All collectors need to stop buying any licensed product in 2025 until the manufacturers make the following changes, if a product is highly desired the distributors should have the same chance of obtaining product as the collectors or anybody else (the random drawing should be broadcast to all, what an exciting spectacle to add to the hobby), any cards sold to distributors/shops should have a 12 month price limit in place where they may not sell the product for more than the original retail price as provided by the manufacturer and lastly, they need to resolve the CT Scan issue with packaging that develops upon exposure to X-Rays. I would suggest that the manufactures have only two types of products, a paper and a chrome version. Then sell them in packs of something similar to the following $10/5 cards, $20/12, $50/35, $100/75, $200/175 and $500/500 cards. All of the random other sets the currently make can simply be inserts in these packs. All of the packs have the same odds to hit any card and the only difference is how many cards/chances you opt to buy. This way a kid can buy the $10 pack and have the same odds to hit a 1/1 rookie auto etc. Since I do not know the exact costs involved to produce these numbers could be adjusted but having a sliding scale from $2 down to $1 for chrome and maybe $1.50-$0.50 for paper seems approximately appropriate. I guess I have ranted long enough... STOP BUYING INTO ANY BREAKS IS STEP #1 FYI - Breaker Participants Anonymous is a 12-step program to help aid you in breaking your breaking habit, meetings are held on Thursdays @ 9PM and on Saturdays @ 12AM at the Foxborough Church Rec Center 2435 Midline Rd.

[@SonnyDay357]

Good Video. Do the numbers ever add up on new products? It is to bad the actual collector is priced out of the hobby by snakes saying they are trying to revolutionize the hobby.

[@turkspulls9365]

The problem isn’t Fanatics or Panini. It’s the collectors. Fanatics and Panini wouldn’t get away with pricing this stuff so high if people wouldn’t buy it. But unfortunately people keep buying it. You can try and blame the breakers which they do help fuel the issue but people are still ripping at these ridiculous prices all day long. SMH. If we all would collectively boycott these prices we would take our hobby back. But we all know people have no self control over their addiction to ripping. It’s only going to get worse.

[@jay8151]

As a 45+ year old who just got back into the hobby, I could have used this advice months ago

[@kevinhayes7967]

Sounds like most cards will be worth 3 cents with this print run. Maybe 5 dollars for wemby

[@poorman68]

These cards are horrible. I am soooooo glad my order didn't go through. Those people that bought bots and got cases.... LOL. I hope they eat crow for that to teach them a lesson.

[@chadzgonc6045]

250 a box I wish they are going for 425 as of mid August!!!

[@TheSportsCardDad]

ugh

[@Justinsportscard]

Products are getting more and more watered down each year. Same thing on autographs. Take all them products x autos each year. Basically worthless long term. Too many colors. Sad but it’s ruining the hobby eventually.

[@WorldOrderCollectibles]

First time viewing. Very informative and awesome work for the community.

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Much appreciated!

[@mvcorse1]

Walmart retail for the brokies

[@SixerIverson04]

Also these hobby heros keep pumping this up as well as tell us what to buy and what to invest in just like Jeff Wilson. I do not even listen to these hobby heroes because at the end of the day they do not care about me and do not look out for me

[@virginiabrinkmann9106]

Jeff Wilson used covid funds to get his cards. Douchebag!

[@zachpierce641]

Breakers ruin hobby boxes for me. It’s to much and you can’t tell me this stuff would sell for so high if it wasn’t for breakers. That’s why prices are higher than you assumed they’d be I’m not a hater. Just not interested. I’ll buy singles

[@true_rcs]

Well now you sound like an old timer making sense and giving good advice.

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Same advice on new product for 4 years lol

[@true_rcs]

@@TheSportsCardDad take a compliment

[@fliplife67]

Hopefully U can buy Victor base RC non auto for like 5 dollars or less.

[@Philmington]

I appreciate the math contributions

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Thanks. I'm like Matt Damon in that one movie where he's math smart..........

[@shawnbarnes5720]

You are exactly spot on 3$ a card no thanks I will continue to buy singles lol or a retail box every now and again

[@Kbunk_Youth_Football_Wrestling]

There's no reason for an individual to buy this. It's a gambling product which is what most of this stuff is turning into. Let breakers buy into this because it will feed their destruction.

[@Marc-w4o]

Dustin I do believe you're one of the first persons to actually call the stuff what it is garbage autographs. The reality is every sport has their Stars average players and nobodies that's just the way it goes on top of that they've been burying Us in useless garbage autographs since the 90s We All Fall for the gimmick pull the star good luck with that. Same basic odds of winning the lottery..

[@Rick-w2o]

I remember collecting cards as a teenager in the late 80s and early 90s. Never knew I was in the junk wax, massively overproduced era. I wonder if we are not in a similar situation now? At least they were affordable then...

[@coreywilkinson2778]

Not even remotely close. I collected during the same era.

[@Rick-w2o]

@@coreywilkinson2778 Not even remotely close? Do you have print run numbers as evidence, or?

[@soluscristus1]

If the price is indeed too much then breakers will be stuck selling it at a discount. We will see.

[@bcarr1752]

i think its over 90% of boxes lose money

[@HobbyGuy5]

90%+ will lose money and lots of it, there are like 5-6 names that will carry rarity value. Most people will be turning $300 into $50 that is the true shame of it.

[@Usfpbcalumni]

great video

[@jcwilson4295]

Ive been watching tons of these card videos across youtube..seems like a very expensive hobby. The prices and the grading and all that. Not sure its worth it as an outsider looking in.

[@anthonymcdonald3167]

It's like the panini Mosaic baseball really nice looking cars for what they are these are looking like a little bit lake Panini

[@TalesOfTheTrade]

$270 is too high. $200 is a more reasonable ceiling (I earn a very average salary + am entering my 30s for context)

[@TraderJoesSportsCards]

I would rather spend 1k on slots make whole night out of it or sports gamble then ripping on boxes that last 10 minutes. Raw to grade odds are 50-70 percent gem if you know what you’re doing I’ll get boy into grading not ripping.

[@VideoDeGomes]

When you look at some of the cards you can get for the $400 these boxes cost…you must be insane to buy this product (unless u just have money to blow). It’s a dumpster product. They look terrible.

[@anthonymcdonald3167]

But nobody in the public is going to get that card The breakers are going to get that card because they're going to send it to the breakers to try to hype you up but it doesn't hype us up because you're already found the most important card so we really don't care when you start selling cards to the public let me know I'll be in

[@dispassionateobserver]

I don't buy unlicensed products. Period.

[@coltscards1338]

Keep flooding the media Topps Fanatics and Panini email with negative feedback

[@axinite_6489]

Good video. And keep in mind that those cards are just plain. In the 90's an 2000's , the cards were all embossed or with a lot of depth. 20 years later, we are just getting less technology. It's just becoming a money grab.😢

[@SkinnyVinnie]

Look at Contenders and the 2 autos u get, 99.9% of them are $3 autos.

[@nategarcia7694]

As of now the aftermarket price is 600 bucks lol

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Holy cow. Nuts

[@donfowlkes5724]

That’s y they have big league cards

[@mikecorbett8180]

Key world WEMBY numbers don't matter, when there are numbered wembys, he a generational talent. Plus you can finally get Brandon Miller, rookie from the heat, plus more. Top rookies plus. LeBron autos in a while also. $$$

[@johnwayne9828]

Zion was a "generational talent".....howd that workout for all the fools who loaded up on him?

[@TheFilmCriticMovie]

Just calling it now…doesn’t matter if its 1:500,000 or 1:5,000,000,000 the top Wemby and Lebron chase will be pulled on Fanatics live…most likely by their most popular streamer

[@freethinker3161]

is anyone shocked Topps is gouging mediocr crap? DO NOT FEEL BAD ABOUT TOPICS LIKE THIS! THE HOBBIES GOING SOUTH!

[@coreywilkinson2778]

I'm not. Panini has been doing it for years.

[@davidwatts67]

After watching this I decided not to buy ...I was contemplating buying 1-2 cases because of Wemby.....

[@TheOleg33]

Now the boxes are 600 lol

[@oarancards4443]

if you gave me this garbage for free into the garbage it goes

[@Marc-w4o]

I think you're being generous it isn't worth a dollar over a hundred and I really don't think it's worth that.

[@Sawmillbandit]

Peoples who buy this unlicensed crap from topps and bash leaf products are the worst! Groupies and dummies are who this is designated for

[@RyanTJohnson]

I agree it’s messed up. But let’s not forget these are businesses. They aren’t doing this for the love of the game lol unfortunately that ruins every hobby…

[@kevinhayes7967]

I think 90% of the boxes losing money seems way low based on the product design. The only way is if you can sell them day 1 before people realize how crappy this product is.

[@ohh_baby_i_like_it_raw]

Wemby gets $250 an autograph. Most commons they pay minimum $$5-10 an auto. We need to stop asking for autographs as hits and the box price will come down. Go do the math on how much money they LITERALLY PRINT out of thin air with TOPPS NOW releases. Also nobody speaks with their wallet so nothing will change…

[@weinerdog44]

All True ! Thanks for your common sense look at this total madness !!

[@RedStorm1383]

Topps/Fanatics/Breakers are looking all hobby folks right in the eyes with this product and calling us fools because they know the suckers are going to eat it up. They’re all literally laughing as they do all they can to hype this release up. Wild times that will only continue to get wilder.

[@coltscards1338]

All for the breakers Fanatics doesnt care about the individuals

[@RickM23]

$270 for 2 autos/unlicensed product is crazy. Stay away from

[@Marc-w4o]

Hold the GD phone am I actually reading that correctly one in over a half million packs are they f****** serious just how much useless crap do they expect people to buy. I really do not have an issue with trying to add some value to the cards but let's not be f****** ridiculous. The state of this so called hobby which it no longer is has become an effen joke.

[@whitecastle3032]

The numbers don't add up on any product..

[@702dougg]

You can say this about every product lol

[@TheSportsCardDad]

And that’s probably the larger problem

[@CaptainKett17]

The non-licensed product is so trash - most/all of these cards will plummet when the licensed product comes out. Love the economics and math aspects of the video total nerd alert for me! It will also be interesting to see how the breakers respond with pumping this product up - selling something that isn't that great - but it probably doesn't even matter at all as its all about filling those break spots no matter what - great video as always SCD!!

[@anthonymcdonald3167]

Why do they have to focus all on one player Victor when there are just as many talented players and/or stars but his card is pretty much the only one that's worth anything this would be because of the influencers the box breakers how to get wimpy how to get wimpy

[@fitzfinds8273]

$500 a box for 2 autos of unlicensed product. Complete ripoff

[@Marc-w4o]

Hey Dustin just wanted to offer an apology in case I said anything out of line.

[@TheSportsCardDad]

all good!

[@Marc-w4o]

@@TheSportsCardDad thank you sir.

[@Marc-w4o]

It also amazes me that after 20 years of poor ass card designs they pick now to complain about it.

[@ronnierod7133]

Don’t buy Panini product - Money Grab!!

[@moregunzthanroses281]

Topps 🗑️

[@nellyscards555]

People still buy boxes? What a bunch of suckers😂

[@suitcasemurphy1220]

Only FANBOYS are giving FANATICS cash in 2024.

[@HobbyNewsPlus]

I think you're going to be surprised how well Scoot Henderson and Brandin Miller do. They're both studs.

[@mrbob8618]

Lol

[@mrbob8618]

No one knows who scoot Henderson is because No buddy watched.The g league ignite. Had he went to college.People would have known who he was.Matas Buzelis Regrets playing for the g league at night because she saw people playing in March madness. That passed him on the draft board. Scoot place in Portland is where players go to die. Billiups knows as much about basketball coaching as joe biden does

[@soluscristus1]

I don’t think that collectors are buying boxes. That just doesn’t make sense to me. Sealed boxes are essentially expensive lottery tickets. There is no way to know if the cards that you collect would be in the box.

[@JunkYardCardGuy]

Topps has been lazy for a decade...

[@talksmack999]

Imagine charging this much and all the players are wearing just numbered jerseys cuz they dont have the licensing rights. Smh. Looks off.

[@SeanPayne1]

I know people are looking at the Sports Card Hobby like GameStop and Crypto Currency. Let me tell you it’s all about the PC for me, don’t forget that these young rookie players got a whole future ahead of them(hopefully WW3 doesn’t ruin anything) and their card’s value with shift. If you get lucky and pull something outside of hobby boxes, it is your lucky day. It’s not about spending money it’s about the fun quality time spent opening with or without family(opened a few products with the bro). These companies will make money but you mostly likely will not, keep a chill somewhat consistent approach when it comes to spending money, almost tricked myself to spend another 100$ this week. 😂

[@vanbeekbr]

Those cards are ugly! Leaf and sage are much better

[@garygordon3075]

Leaf has been crap lately

[@TravelingNomad100]

Printers on overdrive hard pass.

[@USCfan03]

When did you become soo negative???

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Gotta tell it like it is, how I see it in the moment

[@gamrssportscards8849]

This is what happened in the late 90s card companies got greedy just like they are now they’re raising prices in two years. Cards will go back into a recession. There will be no one wanting cards. Cards will not be able to sell. You only have your hard-core collector still collecting and getting everything for dirt cheap I’m telling you right now you guys will be shocked but boxes of top chrome in two years that came out this year will be selling for way less than what they sold for, just saying I don’t care who’s in them it’s not gonna happen

[@AndresMorales-y8q]

iD RATHER HIT A SLOT MACHINE AT A CASINO. aND YOU WONT FIND ME DEAAD PLAYING A SLOT MACHINE AT A CASINO