2025: Donald Trump’s year of retribution | US politics | The New Statesman

[@NewStatesman]

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[@clavichord]

Not really

[@davidmorris3981]

Why is it cruel to deport criminals?

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

It’s not. Nor illegal immigrants. The UK needs this too

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

It’s not

[@cumbrianrambler7715]

Bot

[@dw4525]

Thankfully this can never happen in the UK as it’d be against their human rights

[@jezlawrence720]

Depends. 1. Which criminals? 2. Which crimes? 3. Deport where? 4. Deport how? Asking in such a simplistic fashion isn't the gotcha question you think it is, it just exposed the fact you've not thought about it very hard.

[@jamesbarry1673]

It's going to be a dumpster fire here in America

[@tobefree3718]

Will? Where you have been for past 30 years

[@clavichord]

Well, at least Joe Biden improved and protected the US economy, unted Americans of all genders, races and religions, ensured peace for the Palestinians, saved Ukraine, Afghanistan, and symbolically showed that political corruption does not pay, by freeing his own innocent son, Hunter Biden.

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

Oh yes

[@jamesbarry1673]

@@tobefree3718 The United States never fully recovered from the oil embargo of 1973. It appeared successful right through the end of the Cold war only cuz it was nothing to compare it to now compared against China. The United States looks the way Great Britain did compared to the United States in 1970

[@jamesbarry1673]

@Soul_of_a_Robot The United States is going to survive a incompetent administration like Trump's. All you have to do is look to the 19th century, but you're not. The United States is no longer by any stretch of the imagination of superpower and is the country becomes less Caucasian and more multiracial. There'll be a dramatic change in the direction of the country, away from Europe and the near East and more to staying at home. There's no denying that fact

[@iancallard3561]

Remind me, are these the same commentators whose fogged-up crystal balls couldn't foresee Trump winning?

[@wanderingtravellerAB99]

So stupid, it was neck and neck to the end.

[@CaminoAir]

The polls were close with Trump having a marginal overall lead before the election....however the idea of a country's voters being incredibly stupid enough to vote that guy back into office.....I think that was too much to believe for most people. America did this to itself. Both those who voted for Trump and those who didn't turn out to vote against him.

[@davidcottrell1308]

@@CaminoAir we were laughing at the Brits for Brexit....now we are the global fools....smh....

[@zazhou]

Neither these journalists nor Trump nor America are relevant in the long game. The East is a rising and unopposed force.

[@colbr6733]

I'm a Brit, this is a good example of us British being at best patronising at worst simply racist about aspects of US culture we don't like or support. Anyone that has travelled extensively recognises the normally respectful and totally professional US Border and US Military in executing their work.

[@davidalderson4980]

Great use of irony there.

[@jameshenderson4876]

Masterclass in how to demonstrate that you don't know what the word "racist" means. Yet you throw it around freely.

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

The left and the young left in particular are crazy on immigration. We have borders and immigration controls for a reason and that isn’t racism.

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

The U.S. immigration are great public servants.

[@crayontom9687]

Respectful and professional 🤥

[@johnhynes7891]

When I listen to this and the double standards and absolute contempt and scaremongering it only goes to exemplify how the bubble of delusion is still present in the media and Chattering class, you are so out of touch with reality and thats why you only talk amongst yourselves.

[@paulklee5790]

Well said!

[@grateful277]

Ok if so please outline in a logical manner the reality you reference for each of the points they raised .

[@RandallSlick]

@johnhynes7891 So many words to say so little.

[@CaminoAir]

Dude, have you ever heard Trump speak publicly? Have you ever read one of his social media statements? Have you ever seen or heard Trump interviewed? Are you claiming that he ISN'T an ignoramus, sociopath, malignant narcissist and an extremely unsophisticated conman relying on a severely limited bag of tricks? Anyone claiming severe criticism of Trump isn't warranted is 1) shockingly unaware and/or 2) so partisan that they're unwilling to acknowledge the blatantly obvious. None of what I'm typing is hyperbole. Trump is clearly unfit and unable for public office.

[@kenstreat6127]

The biggest threat and first enemy on the list of every despot is the journalists.

[@judewestburner]

In America they're going after illegal immigrants and criminals, whereas in the UK we go after farmers, pensioners, children, anyone wanting to get ahead in business.

[@jacquisimpson9448]

Does the new statesman think that we should all allow unlimited immigration? If so can you explain how we accommodate all these people? Our country cannot cope as it is.

[@andybrice2711]

I think this podcast has taken quite a nuanced and balanced view on these issues in the past. They certainly don't tow the line of _"Everything is fine and all detractors are racist."_ like many on the mainstream left.

[@z0n0ph0ne]

Scotland NEEDS immigration.

[@TrevorEden]

Rubbish

[@Lawrence4000-s3k]

Some people on the left are largely in favour of mass immigration for ideological reasons. They tend to be homeowners with well-paid jobs! Things look very different to the person hoping for low cost housing and seeing their hopes decline with every year.

[@carrias1]

I’m a leftist who’s broadly supportive of high immigration, and at present I’m a renter finishing out a PhD with the crumbs left over from my stipend. There are two broad kinds of immigration: people helping us, and people we’re helping. People helping us are economically useful by definition. Maybe they’re propping up British universities by paying five times the fees I paid, or picking fruit, packing meat, building houses or doing heart surgery. Training our own people to do things is great, but there are jobs it is very hard to cover with our native population, either because the job sucks, other countries are better at instilling the skills those jobs need, our ability to train people lacks capacity, or taking highly skilled workers from other places is an opportunity we’d be dumb not to take. Most immigration falls into this category. I do also think it’s good to help people, and that we could stand to do more there. This is a tiny fraction of our immigration system though, because the vast majority of immigrants are capable of some kind of work we need doing.

[@rogerbernard9572]

I’m an American….please accept my humble apology for subjecting the world to this idiotic man. He will never be my president.

[@williambranch4283]

Biden was never my President either ;-)

[@rflameng]

I'm always taken aback when journalists dispute the outcome of elections or polls indicate that an extreme (rightwing) party would, or might, win. I don't look forward that outcome, but if that is what comes out of the elections then that is the people's choice.

[@longandshort6639]

Basic question here: doesn’t the imposition of tariffs not increase prices and therefore inflation? Just wondering - when I read Adam Smith’s economics classic book “Wealth of Nations“ it is clear that mercantilism drives poverty and wealth is created through free trade.

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

Did you read that at college ?

[@PMMagro]

yes they do but teh ami is just to look "tough on China" not to be smart.

[@williambranch4283]

Adam Smith was a Glasgow poser, working for the Triangle Trade (included slaves) to defeat the London merchants. He is a hired gun.

[@danmayberry1185]

Mike Johnson's remarks upon re-winning the House Speakership included completion of the wall, deportation, and changing the way government business is done. And of course, that the country is "the envy of the world for being explicitly American".

[@jamesbarry1673]

@@danmayberry1185 none of which will ever be accomplished

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

USA! USA! Trump ❤

[@jamesbarry1673]

@user-ge3jk6fg1l Judge Juan Merchan just ordered President-elect Trump to appear for his sentencing in the New York hush money case on January 10th.

[@freeheeler09]

American education, homelessness, infrastructure and education see laughingstocks throughout the world.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

Will Mexico pay this time ? Should a felon be President ?

[@TheWorldRealist]

If the Congress standby their duty to protect and support the constitution they need to hold a vote in both places to allow The President Elect into office. Amendmemt 17 section 3 is quite clear. IOf that does not happen you may as well write of the constitution and probably the supreme court

[@petergaskin1811]

Amendment 17? Where is Section 3? Amendment 17 deals only with the popular election of the Members of the Senate.

[@DavoInMelbourne]

Australian here. The fact that Trump wasn't incarcerated after leading an insurrection and is now to become president again, the rest of the world has already written off your 'oh so precious' constitution as not worth the paper it's written on. Best of luck, I just hope the rest of the world escapes most of the blast radius.

[@clavichord]

Don't worry about the impartiality of the American justice system, Hunter Biden is free, and that's all that matters to ice cream Joe Biden

[@annerigby4400]

Anyone else find it strange how popular opinion on immigration seems to be degenerating in the same way in so many countries, particularly when you understand how unrealistic it is. Immigrants get jobs, pay taxes and live their life as any human would when given opportunity for a better life. The strain on social services and the stealing of jobs and all that are exaggerations to make people blame their problems on "the foreigners". I see it in the country I'm in, I hear it from family members and friends in neighbouring EU countries and the UK. They all say the same thing. They are all wrong and they are all accepting as truth lies and misinformation. I think the way to stop the immigration problem is to counter the anti-immigration problem with the same "weapons" being used to propagate that propaganda.

[@jonathanbowen3640]

You're missing the cultural aspect. Most western nations are small (with declining populations) and have very specific cultures, language, food, art, lifestyle, laws, ethics, traditions, fashions that need protecting as the crucial parts of humanity. There are literally billions (increasing rapidly) of Africans and Asians with fairly monolithic cultures that the world already has a lot of. Not sure why you would want to swamp these precious complex micro-cultures with fairly unsophisticated generic ones that have their own inherent problems ranging from treatment of women, corruption, violence crime, education etc. This is why I and many others don't want any more immigration into the west from the developing world, nothing to do with economics. I would pay more to see less people that don't aesthetical create a holistic cultural experience and damage the harmony of society.

[@annerigby4400]

@@jonathanbowen3640 You are forgetting that european cultures are a result of population migrations over the centuries and that is what creates and maintains the cultures we have (Celts, Romans, Vikings, Spaniards, Moors, Italians, Visigoths, Portuguese, and all these immigrants or occupiers had also been places populations had migrated to or invaded. If you talk about destruction or negative impact on european cultures, I would say the US does far more damage than any group of immigrants because the US's eradication of european cultures is insidious and unseen, and has done so much damage. it erases a culture's originality and replaces it with a focus on money and lack of care for one's fellow humans.

[@jessematlock711]

Going after Farmers &: Truckers is a very bad look in Trump's eye

[@williambranch4283]

He will support them. Canada and GB do not.

[@DannyCollins-l9u]

Katie said, "people here without documentation", that means illegal immigrants.

[@whippet2018]

... unfortunately this does need to be done by Trump. After 2008 the huge spike in money printing and a crazy mass immigration policy to help ramp up money supply... we have been failed by our leaders on the left and right of politics. Inflection point in culture and commerce are with us. Europe is going to break up socially and financially. Energy costs & carbon policies will destroy German industry, and impact Europe as a whole. I just hope we see some common sense by everyone going forward... plus some real honesty by policy makers.

[@z0n0ph0ne]

"Europe is going to break up socially and financially." Wishful thinking.

[@brandon_youtube]

Very clear minded comment which is more rationale than the biased assumptions in this video

[@diverguy3556]

Nice talking point Ivan. Did you think of that yourself or did you recieve a list from Moscow.

[@petergaskin1811]

Dear me, you've been at the cooking sherry my dear fellow.

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

I’ve got to laugh at all the commentators thinking that Russian bots would comment on a New Statesman podcast! Deluded people

[@dinopasut8259]

These are the same pathetic guests that thought Trump would/should never win? Embarrassing

[@olorin4317]

We should be proud that people want to come to our country. THAT is what makes America great. Trump is trying to ensure that the American Dream dies and becomes an eternal nightmare. We need to build better cities, encourage immigration, and give great education, food and healthcare to EVERY child in America. Imagine how great we could become.

[@georgethompson453]

Even California swung towards Trump in the election even though it won won by Harris as did everyone other state. He has a massive democratic endorsement.

[@karimbennett5651]

He one by less than two percent of the popular vote. That is not a massive endorsement of anything.

[@RichWoods23]

What you call a massive democratic endorsement, people who are numerate call a 1.57% margin of victory.

[@elmazote]

"He has a massive democratic endorsement." Nice post-truth assertion --- the buffoon barely won the popular vote.

[@OwenJamesWatkins]

How do you know Trump won't freeze prices... especially if he declares a state of emergency.

[@karimbennett5651]

He’s a capitalist beholden to wealthy corporate donor interest. He will not freeze prices anymore than he would wear a patterned tie.

[@judewestburner]

Tariffs did not hit the US last time. Quite the opposite

[@paulcormican3733]

Scary times ahead by the sound of things.

[@scokim]

The underlying assumption here is Trump, an honest politician, will do what he said.

[@woildee9998]

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[@DarrenWeese]

Uncertainty

[@williambranch4283]

Good for market speculation.

He has a court appearance to answer a crime! On the 10th! If convicted won't that bar him from office?

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

Does Chump's intention of first going after convicted criminals include himself? The man's a buffoon.

[@Anonymous-xb2km]

"Trump will leave America broke" - The Simpsons

[@peakexperience]

The New Statesman a progressive magazine sponsored by the largest arms manufacturer in Europe. 😂

[@Missfredawallace]

Used to be an investigation into Hannah Barnes regarding her report about the Tavistock Clinic.

[@aritheeagle]

One word for 2025. Disaster.

[@rickjohnson2165]

The future is always ‘unknownable’, so to say 2025 is unknowable is to say nothing.

[@plankton50]

KZbin manager for the new Statesman I just need you to know your thumb nails are literally the height of drama. 10/10 best thumbnails in the British political podosphere.

[@howardshepherdson2925]

Excellent analysis.

[@jessematlock711]

If EU goes full Trumpism all will go perfectly

[@williambranch4283]

EU = Germany. No hope there.

[@steenkigerrider5340]

The new Statesman crybabies in despair.

[@ivhristov6511]

Just to remind that a country which doesn't know who is in this country is simply not a country by definition.. What does exactly means " people without documents"?! Who are they? What are they doing?

[@julesnagbunga1204]

Working and paying taxes!

[@John-ql7ng]

The panel here are not interested in a puplic enquiry into the UK child abuse… And have kept sufficiently stumm. Nice people.

[@crayontom9687]

There have been loads of enquiries, just act on them. You’re just a race baiter

[@andrewharvey3282]

Relax yourself, elector palatine. Your economy is especially vulnerable.

[@aritheeagle]

Donald will meet his Duck. Karma is a pain in the Largo.

[@happychappy7115]

Title was a misnomer. As much about Europe as US😅

[@seasonmists]

Or her actions… 😂😂😂😂😂 the optimism!

[@brittrubin9461]

An ‘ Interrupter ‘ shaking up global politics

[@prestonphelps1649]

Go Trump 🎉

[@jontalbot1]

As far away as possible

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

Hey liberals - Trump is your daddy again for another 4 years ❤

[@topologyrob]

To gaol

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

@ - he’s your daddy for the next four years

[@franciscouderq1100]

Fasten seatbelts it s going to be rough and bumpy.

[@iknowyourerightbut4986]

It is purposefully dishonest to merely say, ‘these families include American citizens’. They have arrived illegally on American soil and had children in America (the children, therefore, getting automatic right to citizenship).

[@jameshenderson4876]

It is, however, factually correct.

[@user-ge3jk6fg1l]

The TDS is ramping up again.

[@Tybourne1991]

Hi everyone, few people set out deliberately to be dishonest. But when children born in the U.S. are automatically citizens, isn’t it worth asking how just-or honest-it really is to question whether their families include U.S. citizens?

[@iknowyourerightbut4986]

@@Tybourne1991 there are many ‘journalists’ who are really propagandists. I am less optimistic about the intentions of those who omit salient details. It is coercive ignorance.

[@Tybourne1991]

Hi@@iknowyourerightbut4986 , thanks for replying. I'm curious, how are you defining 'propagandists', please?

[@khairulnaeim756]

Hmmm..so someone destroy their status quo.. x

[@gregsuitor6712]

Will it match Stalin in the 1930’s

[@williambranch4283]

No, Trump is from NY, not Georgia ;-)

[@TrevorEden]

Trump mr mess

[@davidh6543]

Canada 51st state, Greenland 52nd state, Panama 53rd state (and that's just February) 🤣 gonna be yuge

[@lindafletcher1628]

in your dreams....

[@Schiltron]

We all know what Trump has announced that he will do, so just repeating it is a clever if somewhat lazy approach to prediction. Also big up your holier than thou left-wing credentials (everybody on the self-proclaimed "left" thinks that nobody is as virtuous as them) by using words like inhumane and cruel. Job done!

[@edc8388]

Carnage ?

[@rd716]

Biased trash.

[@davewright9313]

Agreed

[@elmazote]

🤡

[@ZORo-h8l]

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[@bellaanis7157]

📌

[@jonathanlynch4996]

What a load of old tosh. You should be better than this …..l

[@julesnagbunga1204]

Why?

[@tomjc147]

Surely, SURELY!!! the irony of moaning, or fretting about political prosecutions cannot be lost on the host/this panel given what Trump had endured 👀😂😂😂. Talking about the affects on an individual of merely being out on trial. Incredible really to consider Trump not only proved resilient enough to withstand that process himself, but then accomplish the greatest comeback in political history, barring Churchill possibly. I’m sure that with the boot on the other foot, those that are concerned will at least now have Trumps own example of fortitude to follow.

[@RandallSlick]

@tomjc147 I'd be surprised Trump had to pay for his defence. And fortitude is rather to attain when a life is spent playing golf surrounded by lackies and yes-men. Civil servants, journalists and comedians don't have such luxuries.

[@khairulnaeim756]

No..will see old days name in media anymore... just new people...X...

[@gc8074]

Bollox

[@khairulnaeim756]

No, dictator...but what must be done...X ..

[@khairulnaeim756]

Of course ... men should honour their words ..X

[@TheRealDasluft]

It will be so much fun watching the talking heads going apopletic during 2025 when all their doom and gloom predictions don't come true

[@crayontom9687]

Still just trying to upset the libs. Weak political project right there

[@khairulnaeim756]

Republican...lots of new face...X

[@seanbong-qp9sl]

very woke bias in this discussion. Horrible.

[@khairulnaeim756]

Hmmm...she better read Europe history real one ... backdoor..... butcher is every day life in medieval times...X

[@eugenechelsea]

You guys are too woke.

[@davidwilliamson1256]

This is the year for all Americans Trump all the way 💯

[@brittrubin9461]

It’s all very well you 3 sitting in your cosy flats on your computer / social media day in day out but it is the Labour supporters and voters, that this low paid / low wage will affect the most..you are all talk and zero action. I would like to see all of you take in an immigrant to live with you and you take care of them, but you won’t will you ?

[@jonathanbowen3640]

All talk and zero action? Like you then.

[@johnperry3000]

...and the TDS continues. 😅 The hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is stunning.

[@khairulnaeim756]

That what surprise ...the white inside American and European.... probably 🥸..and others thing too...but end results everything change with opposite direction what they wanted....X

[@khairulnaeim756]

What she say not accurate, probably because politics or being pay...or just woman is woman...they talk ,what they wanted to talk but not about discussion...is about them that already over think with their own worlds that make men have hard time to understood...X probably 🥸