2025 MUSTANG GTD VS 2025 CORVETTE ZR1 NURBURGRING LAPS! WHO WILL BE KING?

[@TheRealMcCoy88]

Chevy already said that they were able to break 200mph during testing on the straight away (they didn't say the exact speed) and not many cars have done that. The AMG One did 201mph during it's record run

[@diverxpl]

Not only did they break 200 mph, but every development driver who tested on the ring broke 200 mph on their first attempt "with ease", so it's probably hitting higher speeds than that. In an interview an engineer quoted simulation data for the ZTK ZR1's top speed in the 220s, maybe even above 225, so it could be one of the fastest cars ever on the straight.

[@jaytrock3217]

It is going to in the 6:40s.

[@bullycat_kickz5198]

@@jaytrock3217agree

[@infinitetk4165]

Top speed is not a indicator of fast lap times at the ring

[@nicklovely6431]

It helps. Its not like is a brick in the turns either lol. Drivers are probably the most important factor at this track. How willing are they to crash?@infinitetk4165

[@kevinbond4188]

As a Porsche owner/driver, my opinion is the GTD will be faster. Horsepower isn't the deciding factor. Remember the Bugatti Veyron is much more powerful than both and ran 7:40. The keys to dropping -7 seconds is Driver, Weather, Tuning.

[@KyleHubb]

The Veyron is a 4,400 lb behemoth. Downforce is less than the GT3 RS and GTD. How do you think a vehicle from 2003 will be better than Porsche's newer cars? The Carrera GT from that era ran a 7:12, and it was 1,000 lbs lighter.

[@daytonraught629]

U realize the zr1 weights 1000 lbs less than a veyron and makes more downforce than even the GTD. 1200 lbs of downforce man

[@BenjySparky]

Austin, you rock! The Z06 did run a 7:11. I bet the ZR1 will be faster than the GTD. That's just my opinion. Peace

[@richardmodglin3900]

It's nice getting the American companies competing.

[@skylerhickman3646]

The Z06 time was run by a youtuber, its not even an official lap run

[@pdn0018]

@@skylerhickman3646way way incorrect. Dude was a pro driver with several race victories at the ring. Look it up

[@jaytrock3217]

Ford knows it will be quicker that is why they released the lap time now. Honestly I expected better than that.

[@skylerhickman3646]

@pdn0018 Dude barely took the gt2rs below 7 minutes, hes not qualified whatsoever to base time attack runs on try again buddy

[@jonnybingo4062]

If the 1000+hp ZR1 can’t break 7 minutes it would be a huge embarrassment for the brand.

[@jasonhopper1380]

@@jonnybingo4062 it may do that. But talk is cheap and so far GM hasn't been able to release a time which means they haven't done anything impressive. No way it will be able to take advantage of that 1000 horsepower. Certainly not the degree that Porsche spanks its ass with 500 horsepower

[@EvoSupra]

This isn't dragracing hahah

[@patwalker8771]

@@jasonhopper1380 It shouldn’t have a problem doing so as long as they can find an extremely experienced Ring driver like Porsche has.

[@jasonhopper1380]

@patwalker8771 maybe you are right. We we won't know. GTD has headroom for sure.

[@torreylane2890]

@@patwalker8771it won’t come close… the 1200 hp Bugatti had a 7:40 lap…. ZR1 will be slow too

[@michaelmaas5544]

One is a race car you can drive on the road the other is a daily driver you can take to the track.

[@luispatino9131]

As a mustang owner and fan, of course everyone has a different opinion but in my own opinion i think GM deserves the credit on this one because they had the nerve to build the ZR1 from scratch while ford had to have Multimatic build the car for them so its more like a Multimatic car with a ford powetrain and badge

[@MaddNomad1015]

Granted I don’t think Flat Rock is set up for a car like the GTD either.

[@blackberrythorns]

@@MaddNomad1015 the factory steel chassis and doors are the problem, old and heavy.

[@chrismathes3647]

🤣🤷 it's body is carbon fiber, Wheels magnesium and has a custom steel tube chassis. It's a GT3 homologation car.

[@1989rs500]

Ford used Multimatic for a reason, unlike GM who funded the DSSV and MR Tech companies and let them die off in Europe while recession hit back in 08 Ford helps the companies that it owned, Multimatics big internal share is under Ford, Why Taxes, Trump that idiot fool taxes everyrhing that's not built in house in USA. U may or maynot support it but its a big issue as brands like Ford has partners like Cosworth, Multimatic, etc outside USA and its not easy to just shift offices to USA like this asshole Trump thinks, people ve life and the workers are hired from a region. So Ford had to use Multimatic as a 3rd party and they can save a huge lot of taxes as Multimatics dev team s from Europe, Canada, etc so they pay their own taxes too. Many think Ford cannot do a Corvette like mid engine car for say 150k USD, that's not the case. All brands even Dodge can do it as long as they are totally on their feet and financials give them the room to do so. GM, FCA took almost 89,95% government bail out funds while Ford took just 17% from the government treasury back in 08. So as long as people say Ford should ve done a Corvette rival etc etc.. Understand that they cud ve done that, but they r more focused on financial independance unlike ജിഎം, FCA etc who ve been raking up loans over loans, but gives customers cars like C8 Vette. Which is a good thing from customer standpoint. But there is the dark reality that GM would take another 10 years or so to complete the debt while Ford is almost 100% free of debts. Ford is now restructuring EU Asia Aus markets with more focus on small EVs and medium size EVs and hybrids, again curtailing losses and trying out new things again unlike GM fleeing Europe once they found out it's creating headaches

[@blackberrythorns]

@@chrismathes3647 "and has a custom steel tube chassis. It's a GT3 homologation car." wrong, they didn't need it for homologation. a bog standard steel s650 chassis (which gets some modification), steel doors and engine block are sent to multimatic in canada.

[@leoanthony7281]

Corvette was really sleeping when it came to setting this record. I can’t see the ZR1 not beating the 6:57 of the GTD.

[@kevin-qc7zv]

Imagine when the zora arrives

[@daves913]

And I can’t see the GTD not beating the 6:57, that was on their first try. Lol

[@eddiedelgado8246]

That 7.10 lap time was with the C8 Z06 not the C8 ZR1. The ZR1 will go under 7s effortlessly.

[@jaybomb5022]

Other ring drivers mentioned intermittent rain and power issues. ​@@daves913

[@jasonhopper1380]

@@eddiedelgado8246 yeah I keep hearing this but still we don't have any numbers. There ain't going to be anything effortless about it. Porsche is setting a record that GM will never see with 500 horsepower. Try again All the horsepower in the world doesn't mean s*** at the ring. Why do you guys seem so uneducated?

[@28_babyshark]

It's not all about the horsepower. Programming of the transmission to deliver the power efficiently matching the RPMs to power ratio. And as you already mentioned, aerodynamics is a huge part of it and also the weight of the vehicle.

[@geeanyautobodybuilds]

And more.

[@chrismathes3647]

Absolutely loving Mustang is now the Corvettes main competition among domestic manufacturers ❤😂

[@ras22273]

Fanboy fantasies* 😆🤣

[@chrismathes3647]

Lmao 🤣 what? you are aware .... they both race against each other in GTD PRO and GTD. And your commenting on a video comparing the two you ...but yeah "Fanboy fantasy" 🤦

[@chrismathes3647]

​@@ras22273they literally compete against each other in GTD PRO and GTD class 🤣💩🧠

[@markshackelford9373]

No its not. A specific 350,000 dollar tuner special limited production Mustang is. Not any Mustang.

[@brucealmqiist2055]

Lol

[@rovidbouski4022]

Not to mention the ZR1 will be more available to the public and over $100k cheaper

[@jasonhopper1380]

It's resale value will be s*** though. Corvette resale values have always been the worst. The GRD Will appreciate. Want to know why they make a $300,000 mustang? Because they can sell it for that 🤣

[@camonly849]

Bro the mustang GTD is the furthest thing from a mustang 😂😂😂

[@chrismathes3647]

@@camonly849 same thing they race in GT3, now you know lol. It's literally almost same drivetrain as a GT500 except instead a DCT 7, it's an 8 speed and rear mounted trans axle ...like the GT3 Mustangs lol 🤣. How is this hard?

[@chrismathes3647]

@@rovidbouski4022 The Z06 with ZO7 package is nearly 170K. The ZR1 will probably be about 70-80 cheaper and it won't matter since they're only making 1-2,000 GTDs..they already had 7500 applications for purchase.

[@jasonhopper1380]

@@chrismathes3647 GM bros...they struggle 🤣

[@justinmoore4088]

While I absolutely love Mustangs, I'm betting the ZR1 is going to be faster.

[@bobcobb6809]

I'll take that bet

[@justinmoore4088]

@bobcobb6809 I hope I'm wrong!

[@daves913]

GTD, will the target next year.

[@matt-g-recovers]

IDK, but if you consider a Corvette ZR1 will likely be more affordable and that it is a streetcar meant to go fast, whereas the GTD is a 3rd party, purpose built racecar that is barely street legal and likely not enough will be made to call it a proper production car it is like comparing apples to oranges. I'm never going to race the Nurbergring, but to own a 1000 HP mid engine hypercar?? Seems to me no comparison

[@joeyvoyles5548]

Hypercar?

[@fenrirslip]

@@joeyvoyles5548 At this point, the line of what can be considered a hypercar is very blurry. A sports car with over 1,000 horsepower is enough to be considered a hypercar for some people and that's hard to deny when the new ZR1 makes 1,064 horsepower with zero hybridization. When you really think about it, the new ZR1 can technically compete with the Ferrari SF90XX and Aston Martin Valhalla but for a fraction of what those two cars cost. Additionally, the weight difference between the new ZR1, SF90XX, and Valhalla is surprisingly close from what I can see. The Valhalla is the lightest at 3,648 lbs, next is the ZR1 at 3,760 to 4,050 lbs, and SF90XX at 3,505 to 3,869 lbs.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@matt-g-recovers - The GTD is NOT a purpose built race car - it's not even legal for racing in the major road racing organizations like IMSA, SCCA, WEC, Etc. It was based on the Mustang GT3 racer, but built specifically for the street. Ford will build in excess of 2,000 of them so it is a production car. They received better than 7,500 applications for the right to purchase by June of 2024.

[@chrismathes3647]

@@matt-g-recovers mass produced versus limited production. Multimatic builds the 3 million dollar AMG ONE and many more cars. GM is building Corvettes on an assembly line at a daily basis. The Corvette will always be the best bang for the buck even compared to exotic cars, has been since the C4 imo

[@LeonardAdams-dw8xp]

@@joeyvoyles5548 i said the same thing, lol.. people say anything to include themselves lol.. a corvette is not even a supercar, let alone a.... smh, nevermind

[@The-Cadillac-Lawyer-ZL1]

The C8ZR1 is gonna bitch slap the GTD, lets just stop pretending right now. The Dodge Viper ACR ran a 7.01 and it didn't have 800+ HP and DCT automatic either.

[@chrismathes3647]

well said lol 😂 I'm a huge Viper fan, after all it is a more Modern Shelby Cobra tbh. But it was on a slightly shorter track. 12.8 to 12.94 that's about 7-9 seconds total slower than GTD. That's a number from Misha who would know being a Ring expert. He also said the GTD has another 7-15 seconds of possible improvement in it. ZR1 will hit 6:40s and be cheaper as well

[@BASSHEADBOOM]

It’s really the proprietary “only one of its kind” suspension of the GTD and the fact it’s basically a GT3Cup car chassis that makes it what it is …. But “bitch slap” 👋 now i think is some real speculation. Considering GM already tried to take sub 7s with the C7 program and failed moving to a mid engine program so holdup ☝️… BTW 6, 800-4+ digit hp doesn’t necessarily equal sub 7 automatically either.. There are few sub 7 cars out there too, and besides Porsche did it with 515hp think about how special that is but they did it years ago with 700 “ze Germans big 🧠” (and home turf tbf). So let’s give a hand to America 🇺🇸 for #1 our first and ford before we go around bitch slapping 😂 on a car GM based on a Ferrari 458. but still only a handful sub 7s NBR as of today world wide.. There’s monster power hybrid hyper cars that don’t have a sub 7 times and electrics rule the NBR they’re giant RC cars they’re always going to dominate from here forward I do love what GM did with the turbos of the C8ZR1 though they made a proprietary turbo/manifold all in one and it’s brilliant, it will make modifying that particular system exorbitantly expensive though in the aftermarket but it’s super cool there’s no doubt. But as far as America goes ford did it first and without Shelby involvement this is a Ford only venture (name release to clarify) and Americas first and with a front engine car GMs given up on that and it saddens me 😢tbh..

[@The-Cadillac-Lawyer-ZL1]

@@chrismathes3647 yep the C8ZR1 will stand alone for sure.

[@dontadeshun]

​@@BASSHEADBOOMcause ford used multimatic

[@jstun2318]

@@dontadeshunyou act like GM doesn't have suppliers? They are not designing every component on a car. Multimatic has suspension components that are on other manufacturers so why try to highlight it now.what about Bosch?

[@itsme-vw5yo]

I dont know if horsepower is the key to the Nurburgring. The zr1 should be balance overall

[@arbiter1]

There is some decent length straights.

[@fredeb67]

@@arbiter1 Porsche 911 GT3 RS has 520 bhp and has a quicker time than every American production car.

[@tombrightman9206]

Horsepower on that monster straight and mid engine on the zigs is big for shaving time

[@markshackelford9373]

Its a race car with plates...and about as comfortable and useable as one. No comparison to a comfortable street driver that can easily carry a weekends worth of.lughahe on a cross country trip. The fact the comfy car is even in the conversation say more good about the street cruiser than it does about the quasi race car.

[@fredeb67]

@markshackelford9373 💯 correct. No one wants to daily a AMG1, Porsche GT3 RS car or the GTD.

[@geraldthompson2173]

It all depends on track conditions; if GM can rent the closed track on a good weather day they should.

[@FordPerformanceForever]

Seems like most KZbinrs and others who make reference to the Viper’s 7:01 lap time don’t understand that they ran a shortened track 7.20km vs the 7.86km length the GTD ran which equates to about 8-9 seconds. I own Vipers and love them so I’m not saying it’s not very impressive for a manual transmission in a car developed over 10 years ago! But comparing apples to apples on time, it would be more like 7:09-10 versus the 6:57. Either way, I think the GTD can go sub 6:50 and I think the Viper could possibly run quicker too. The Viper did have some mods as well, which is another thing no one talks about.

[@The1PRCTGarage]

AS A CORVETTE FAN I BELIEVE IN THE ZR1. Although I still gotta admit that the GTD was hella impressive for achieving a pre-7 minute time. No hate to any of the cars, but I am excited to see ZR1 results from GM 🔥 Edit: Great Video as Always ❤

[@lewiscross7603]

Both manufacturers need to show up to the ring on the same day and show the Euros who the new Kings are.

[@geestang2662]

Imagine Ford GT with an v8 vs the ZR1 vette, better match.

[@user-Dr.]

I don't know much about Fords, to me they're just something for us to whip on every weekend at the track, are they still building the GT, and if so, why are they whipping on this dead horse, trying to teach it new tricks that it can't do, it will never catch the Camaro, a better platform and better powertrain, I sure hope one or two of these show up at the track this summer.

[@geeanyautobodybuilds]

Agree

[@arbiter1]

Gearing isn't that important when car is pushing 1000+hp out the engine. If ford is changing the gearing from what production car is having that voids the lap time cause now its not stock.

[@dontadeshun]

That car never was stock for didn't build it. It has carbon fiber body panels trick suspension trick areo. No factory mustang is setup like this car

[@foranaffairs]

It’s like $200k more than a ZR1, way more than a Viper ACR for sure. The thing is 100k more in base MSRP than a new GT3rs. Not sure it’s a comparison. They’re getting carried away

[@WindyCity1992]

Its based on a gt3 racecar not a regular mustang

[@foranaffairs]

@@WindyCity1992 so what. It’s a $500kmustang lol

[@foranaffairs]

@ I’m saying it’s not fair to compare a $350-$500k car to a $120k-$230kcar. I know it’s a GT3 car, and I’m sure it’s cool on track. But it’s a mustang to start. Then, there are other GT3 cars like the GT3rs which will eat it and cost much less and aren’t mustangs. It’s a strange effort and product forFORD

[@WindyCity1992]

​@@foranaffairs A 911 is a VW to start, literally. A Corvette is a V6 sports car to start in 1953. Who cares about names. That is a pointless point

[@WindyCity1992]

​@foranaffairs .a GT3RS will only beat it at the Ring. Nowhere else. That's their home track , they have a facility on the nurburgring grounds. They tune cars for that specific track, why would i be impressed?

[@MalphMaisy]

Only one can be the first...that be the Mustang GTD, first under 7 minutes for a US effort. Well done Ford, MultiMatic and Dirk Muller

[@williamstaples1207]

You can be the first to hit sub 7 all you want. I want the one that is faster, even if it was the second to go sub, but is faster...which it will be.

[@leofhr2966]

@@williamstaples1207 That's cool, but Ford will still hold the title, and that's the biggest bragging right you can have, because everyone can make a faster car after, hell Ford can come back and be faster, but having the title only belongs to 1 and that's it.

[@williamstaples1207]

@@leofhr2966 That's fine. You can have the "we were first to do it" title. I'll take the "I'm fastest now" title every time.

[@user-Dr.]

I don't really care, now if it were a production car we could buy I may care a little, but this car is purpose built for this lap, and to me it is a disappointing lap.

[@leofhr2966]

@@williamstaples1207 Everyone can have that title, it has no real value

[@boywonderrr71]

We still need C8 Z06 ring time! Come on GM! Run both Base & Z07 with cup2R and see which is faster.

[@thinal29]

It happened it ran a 7:11 it was very fast in the corners but the straights it was so slow coz of the slow 5th gear

[@AB-80X]

It was on Cup 2R's. It is what it is, and GM did state that it was not possible to run below 7 minutes.

[@boywonderrr71]

@AB-80X Base C8 Z06 was on PS4S so with 2Rs & less drag I feel it would break 7 unless the gearing in DCT is designed for ZR1 and they dont give AF. Which would be lame AF

[@AB-80X]

@@boywonderrr71 Wrong. Car had the Z07 pack and was fitted with the Cup 2R's which were preheated before the lap.

[@boywonderrr71]

@AB-80X no shit, the aero if Z07 slowed down the top speed so the base with cup 2r should do better

[@MrHemikid426]

C8 ZR1 will destroy that time hitting over 200 mph on the straights.

[@Wesley-pb2oo]

The key to going fast is how far into a corner you can carry that speed before braking. There are more corners at the Ring than 200mph straight runs.

[@fredeb67]

The GTD should not be the target, the the GT3 RS should be the target.

[@IBeatTheFeds]

Couldn't agree more, yet again production # comparison is lopsided.

[@brianforrester9670]

Wait, a car making 1,000 HP should be targeting a car making just over 500?

[@fredeb67]

@@brianforrester9670 The ZR1 is not a pure track car. As such, it has a better ride and sound deadening for comfort. Look at all the options you get with the Vette as opposed the the GT3 RS. You WILL NOT want to daily a GT3 RS or Mustang GTD.

[@patwalker8771]

That’s a near impossible target given the fact that the RS is completely stripped and they will probably never sell a stripped out Corvette.

[@fredeb67]

@@patwalker8771 Your are completely correct. The Corvette is for the masses and must have more versatility than the RS cars from Porsche. If Chevy made a no compromise stripped out Vette with a pure racing suspension (they won't), it would be a true track monster definitely challenging and probably superior than the best from Europe.

[@twoweeledsoto6072]

I'm guessing the Corvette is going to put down faster times. But I can't help buy wonder, what happened with the Z06?

[@chrislain1349]

Like he said the gearing is obviously an issue at top speed but if you watch the Zo6 lap they keep it in auto instead of manually selecting the gears. It was shifting weird and losing power in the turns. The driver didn’t seem comfortable with the car either. I doubt it would’ve been sub 7 but they definitely lost seconds on that run. Seems like it could’ve been a 7.03-ish time if using the manual mode.

[@jeoffbenzos4959]

@@chrislain1349 the corvette team also attempted an official lap time and their best was 7:10, so it wasn't the driver.

[@AspirantVeeVee]

its costs $250k less than the GTD and has 200 less horse power, not hard to figure out. The ZR1 is going to clap the GTDs cheeks and you can get 2 for the price of one over blown mustang.

[@machdaddy6451]

Would the righthand drive be quicker on the Nurburgring than the lefthand drive ZR1?

[@user-Dr.]

I don't think it would have any bearing, measurable anyway.

[@DWH300]

Austin. I have not found any mention of GM attempting a record run at the Nurburgring. Keep in mind. If the ZR1 runs a slower lap than the GTD. It would be a huge negative for the C8 ZR1. That's why GM never listed the time for the 755 horsepower 2019 C7 ZR1 because it was Much slower than expected. The other issue is Ford has already obtained the record time for the Mustang GTD and will return for future faster attempts. GM has a 233 speed record for the ZR1. Maybe that enough.

[@Spookiyomi]

I'm a mustang guy but I hope GM can do something amazing. I'm just happy the GTD got the first American sub 7 but GM could go crazier and I'll be happy

[@kevincrouch5957]

What's really sad is the price tag of the GTD and how first Ford said it was gonna be around 1500hp. Came out almost half the Hp,but the price didn't go down. 330000 is insane.

[@lawrenceh.7011]

Corvette should just add a Nurburgring Package with better gearing, Multimatic suspension and active aero for $50,000 more for the ZR1.

[@albertmora4790]

sorry but; are you counting the chickens before they hatch?

[@kingrabbit101]

The zr1 should be mid to low 6:40’s if and this is a big if…. They will meed perfect weather, a driver who knows the track and enough time to lap the car a lot and get data to tweak the factory suspension. I also think with good weather and more time the gtd will pull high 6:40’s, possibly mid 6:40’s with some tweaks considering the car isn’t out yet so programming adjustments to the car and suspension tweaks can still be made to improve it.

[@arkhsm]

I think a 6:52 could be realistic with all things coming together in harmony; anything better will be steller !!

[@ras22273]

It's pretty heavy tho, mid to low 6:50's seems more realistic.

[@luise.rivera8666]

The ZR1 is going to be beating all those Porsche laps time…

[@WindyCity1992]

I doubt that. The Ring is a home field game. The ZR1 will likey dominate every other track.

[@RunEmDownTony]

Nawh it won't. That track is more about handling, precision immediate turn ins all while staying planted, and no one does that better than Porsche. Porsche record will stand, and they do it with less power. That's a testament to the engineers at Porsche. The GTD has significantly more power than the GT3 and the GT3 still out pace it. It comes down to balance, the right amount of power and the right amount of weight. Some cars have too much power which mean you come too a corner too fast meaning you have to brake a lot sooner. With the GT3 your brake as late as possible. Cars with more weight is a handful to handle because those turns after turn will upset the chassis and your fighting to keep the car balanced and setup for the next turn. It's significantly easier and less of a fight to accomplish that with the GT3.

[@blackberrythorns]

@@RunEmDownTony the gtd starts out with a factory steel chassis that's 10 years old.

[@winstonchurchill9048]

Give your empty head a wobble!

[@devonhoward4358]

Honestly none of this is even takes into account the fact the mustang was completely developed for racing the corvettes are all specifically designed to be race capable "street" cars.

[@marioeid930]

Did we all just forget about the Ford gt?

[@TruthMerc]

Pretty much

[@InsaneBimmer]

GM can't even create a Ford GT competitor 10 years later. Of course they can't even make a Corvette compete with a Mustang. Certainly explains why the Camaro has died twice. Why build a Camaro when your halo car can't even compete with a Mustang. That has to suck.

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

Nope. The Z06 with that Eventuri airbox, ported throttle body and exhaust is a completely different car, and Porsche GT3RS cars come from the factory in a high state of tune.Ring times are set by ALL STAR drivers, and GM wont hire these RING SPECIALIST.

[@WindyCity1992]

Exactly, they tune them for the Ring. Which is why they dont hold a record anywhere else , technically mercedes still holds the top 3 Ring times

[@BrHH772]

GM never hired a pro driver to set a lap on a ring, it was alwasy been done by an engineer.

[@nicklovely6431]

​@@BrHH772id imagine an engineer doesn't want to die lol. The car is capable of sub 7 if you look at the VIR times it's as fast as the gt3 rs

[@BrHH772]

@@nicklovely6431 I know that, ring laptimes is laughable most of the time (comparing laptimes when weather condition could do +-10 seconds is stupid). z06 with pro-driver or at least GM engineer would go sub7, no doubt. I was pinpointing that GM lap attempts weren't even in the same ballpark with porsche one's in terms of effort. And effort there would count for maaaany seconds.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@BrHH772 - It figures GM would be that short sighted in choosing a driver with the best opportunity to set a record! An Engineer??? Give me a break. GM, the mark of ignorance!

[@marlonbounds6952]

Bring back the camaro.Retune to the Z06 2026 model.Have the ZR1 in a league of it's own.When the Zora comes out make it outdo the ZR1..

[@BrightmanMoxey-b3v]

So, this is what I think, I believe the vett probably, maybe best the stang on the straight, not really by a mile. However though, the stang will I believe will out corner the vett, and pull away but not by a mile if I'm making any sense here. I believe the stang has more balance on the cornering especially with its rear wing. So, hey the Vette straight away the stang on the cornering, and finally the Vette every day comfortable ride while the stang's a race car. The pressure is on the Vette more though, maybe they will prove me wrong, we'll have to wait and see. Love em both, great top American lion and tiger go at it. Great job GM and Ford.

[@bluesky9093]

These Nurburgring lap times are becoming rather silly. Nobody is going to drive these cars at these speeds, so who cares.

[@scottbuckholtz5618]

I would. Lmao😂

[@BrayneBrown]

More horsepower won't make ZR1 faster in the corners. The GTD did that lap on a green track, it had rained all morning. Plus, there's more available in the tune and the setup. The dashcam on the GTD demonstrated it best. Coming out of curves into straightaways, the power just kept coming.

[@thundrune1554]

“Horsepower isn’t everything… you can see the power in the GTD coming out of the corners…. “. 😂😂😂😂😂 derrrrrrrr. When you respond please don’t try to argue the front engine GTD will put said power down better than the higher hp mid rear zr1. There are many reasons the GTD may ultimately be faster but that’s not it….

[@BrayneBrown]

@@thundrune1554 When you troll, try to be right. With the transaxle, the GTD has a nearly perfect 50/50 weight distribution. And as far as what power means, I'll remember you as it starts cutting seconds off that time. I'm not even sure what hurt your little feelers.

[@thundrune1554]

@ just doubling down on stupid I see. Is it also trolling to point out what would be obvious to anybody who’s spent time on a track or in an engineering class that the 50/50 weight distribution of the GTD (same same as the c7 gen corvette and many others by the way) is NOT an apex exit advantage by any engineering metric compared to the 60/40 mid rear platform that in this case is also up nearly 300hp as you seem to suggests? Just stop. Fan bois are always a snooze 💤 fest…. See ya ✌️

[@BrayneBrown]

​@@thundrune1554 The results on the track speak for themselves. Since I figured out your trigger on your first word salad, let's go there. Chevrolet is nothing but a copy, and has been one since day one. Ford taught everyone how to deliver cars to the world. Ford comes out with the Ranchero. Two years later comes the El Camino. Ford comes out with the Mustang, three years later comes the Camaro. Ford comes out with the Bronco. The next year comes the Blazer. All of those cars were huge successes for Ford that Chevrolet had no choice but to copy, because they have never been innovative. BTW, the C8 is ugly. Enjoy kicking kittens for breakfast!

[@BrayneBrown]

@@thundrune1554 Yet the lap speaks for itself. Your precious Corvettes, 60/40 or otherwise don't have a better lap, do they? Since I figured out your trigger on the first word, let me troll back instead of you having all the fun. Chevrolet is nothing but a copy. Ford taught everyone how to deliver cars to the world, right? Right. In 1957 Ford comes out with the Ranchero. In 59 comes the El Camino. In 64, Ford came out with the Mustang. In 67 came the Camaro. In 66, Ford came out with the Bronco. In 67 came the Blazer. In 91 Ford came out with the Explorer. Chevrolet didn't figure out for a long, long time that people wanted a mid-size SUV with 4 doors. Chevrolet is pretty good at copying others, but not so great for innovation. Troll back when your Copy, I mean, Corvette breaks the GTD's lap time, cause you know, Ford knows how to build cars that win. Chevy only knows how to copy to win races. Maybe you haven't been paying attention to who is winning championships in NASCAR either, so for the record, it ain't Chevrolet. Ford didn't even build the GTD to beat Corvette. They built it to be Porsche, a worthy adversary. Good luck with that lap. BTW, the C8 is ugly.

[@shortbuslife3440]

Ford has ruined the mustang name by producing the Mach E a family SUV EV not only that but calling it a GTD in Europe would mean it was a diesel in most peoples minds.

[@user-Dr.]

I agree, I think they should have kept an affordable muscle type car for people like me, it has never been as good as the Camaro on a road course, local track days and stuff like that, it needs a new platform, should have gone that way, and went to work on the GT for this stuff.

[@geeanyautobodybuilds]

It's just different series of Mustangs brother.

[@autogsport6815]

Im still not impressed cos corvette n viper have been battling since.. It took mustang forever studying n learning from them.

[@chadbrookman6263]

Depends on the driver also???

[@DanielClark-sb5ub]

You need the right gear ratios for top end speed in order to make the best use of the engines rev band.

[@timmcfarland2853]

Ford could up the ante at any time by putting a turbo voodoo in a GT. It's a fun game to play.

[@AnotherWasted1]

I don't think ZR1 is competing with the GTD: it's sites are set much higher

[@eddiedelgado8246]

People really didn't understand that the 7.10 lap times were set with the C8 Z06 not the C8 ZR1. The ZR1 he mentioned in the beginning of the video was the C7 ZR1. The new ZR1 hasn't hit the nurburgring yet but when it does it'll go under 7 effortlessly.

[@djs3715]

I have watched this car closely and the way it enters the curves and exits is very impressive.

[@tracewaybos]

For >$300k that Mustang better be faster than anything Chevy has... It's basically a GT3 race car...

[@vincenzopromedia]

so the dark horse put down a faster time than the ford gt?

[@Phar2Rekliss]

Why hasnt chevy done it yet? Whats taking chevy so long to run the ZR1

[@melvin4williams332]

Just be patient we coming chevy on top

[@jeffwill4923]

Rumor has it power numbers may increase. Then you have the Hybrid mule being tested also. Very much is being finalized.

[@Darren-r8l]

I'm a former mustang owner and fan.I do think the ZR1 will beat it's lap time just because of it's speeds on the straightaways.The fastest car's laptime on the that track is what Chevrolet should be striving for.

[@TommyG1979]

GM is focused on making a near 240mph car costing less than 200k. It’s confirmed to hit 233 with a passenger.

[@mitchalsup5607]

The problem with C8 is the transmission. Gears 1,2, and 3 are just about perfect. Gear 4 is a bit too long. Gears 5,6,7 and 8 are simply way too long/tall. Shift into 4th and acceleration drops off dramatically. Shift into 5th and nothing happens.

[@ChasingDifferentAdventures]

I viewed Dirk Mueler upload. The car was set up for only max RPM to 6,300 rpm .. he kept blipping it on the long straights He should have set the RPM to 8,200 RPM the time could have dropped another 10 seconds. Then on the dry, it will drop 10 seconds more. It may drop to 6:37:00 👦👍🏎🏁🚩⛰️🏞

[@powerslider30477]

It was dry on August 07, 2024, the day of the lap. The track was dry, don't fall for the trap of believing the dramatic video made by Ford showing a wet or damp track, as the lap and media shots were on different days. You can also refer weather for the lap day for Nürburg and see that no rainfall was recorded.

[@ChasingDifferentAdventures]

@powerslider30477 Yes though they went back the week before it closed. It did rain 🌧 earlier. Another thing I saw Dirk Mueler upload the REV Limiter was set at 6,300 RPM. I have a Mustang GT Performance Pack it Redlines at 8,200 rpm I also have a Tremec 6 Speed Manual Transmission. This Automatic Paddle Shifters DCT or CVT is junk. The sequencial lever is better. The mistake is that it starts as a base Mustang GT shell. It should start as the Dark Horse so it would have the Magneride Suspension. That why the Suspension is not as smooth either. It's still a primitive race car. 👦👍🏎🏁🚩 hand Biult in Canada 🇨🇦

[@johnnyrock852]

The suspension the car left Ford with is irrelevant. Multimatic changed everything. Nothing Ford factory is left. The suspension on the GTD is light-years ahead of the Magnaride. In fact Steeda did a video about tge Magnaride. You should watch it. ​@@ChasingDifferentAdventures

[@dennyhobbs6977]

is the ford GTD really that good seeing how ford will not warranty the car if you track it. But gm will warranty the ZR1.

[@Loulovesspeed]

Good, then buy a zr1!

[@factorvracing]

You seem to forget, GM went bankrupt in 2009 trying to compete with Hyundai in their 10 year warranty. Still have not heard anyone say anything about the Ford GT mid-engine monster on the Nuremberg track? Remember when Ford was penalized with added weight for being twin turbid and mid-engine, while the C7 Corvette had no penalties. GM added weight to the Porsches also.

[@jeoffbenzos4959]

@dennyhobbs6977 That's incorrect. They won't warranty it if you race it competitively. That's not the same as just going to track days. GM also won't warranty the ZR1 if you race it competitively.

[@Hotrodclassic]

@@factorvracingthe government with all its penalties on GM is what almost broke them … ever heard of Obama motors ? The government made millions on the biggest American car manufacturer !!!

[@factorvracing]

@@Hotrodclassic What penalties? Obama motors came about because GM tried to keep up with the Korean car company Hyundai with its 10 year 100,000 mile warranty. I helped build the 6 miles Hyundai test track in California City, California. Plus they were making unreliable cars. Yes I have heard of Obama motors. Obama did not know GM was a world company and gave them 45 billion dollars, buying GM for penny's on the dollars. Why does Tesla and other electric car company's get $7500 in ev tax breaks, because GM and Obama needed to help sell EV's that no one was buying. Obama bought 85 Percent of the GM Volts. Musk has stated he does not need tax incentives to sell his vehicles, but the government gives it to him. I have been as test R&D driver for GM in 2004-20010 in Pahrump Nevada.

[@johnnyappleseedz422]

Corvette. Putting the world on hold since the C6.

[@kenno251]

The GTD will have faster lap times due to the great handling, the vette might be a little faster on the straights, but the GTD will be faster overall. Just my thoughts.

[@camonly849]

Zr1 will obliterate this time. Honestly the c8 z06 should best this time or beat it. I think that 7.10 lap is bs.

[@daves913]

@@camonly849no it won’t. Lol😂

[@camonly849]

@daves913 after all the lap times it sets at various tracks it's extremely close to the gt3 and c7 zr1, there's no reason this car should have ran a 7.10.

[@eddiedelgado8246]

​@@daves913that 7.10 lap time was set by the c8 zo6 not the c8 zr1.

[@eddiedelgado8246]

That 7.10 lap time was with the C8 Z06 not the C8 ZR1.

[@bertdodd5743]

Why should Chevrolet have to use a stock Corvette ZR1 to beat the GTD? Any experimental version of a Corvette with any frame, body or suspension changes should be allowable!

[@brianriegel4691]

I don't get it all these supercar companies have special operations teams to do special builds an race teams that have third parties do their builds for the race programs an people love them but ford does it with the mustang an everyone wants to down them for it 🤔

[@50gary]

I wonder what a very high end racing simulator would show in this ZR1 vs. GTD?

[@AspirantVeeVee]

zr1 will walk it

[@SHELBY13GT500]

Hopefully chevy shares lap time with the new zr1

[@validpoints8186]

I do not believe they will be able to because the Mustang GTD was designed with that new rear suspension and purpose built for this.

[@knightwing4]

Talking about gearing the Viper has notoriously long gearing. A Viper could be considered a 5 speed because it’s faster in 5th than 6th and the ACR only runs about 170mph. I look at what it took to beat it. Both the Z06 and the GTD have more power and the GTD barely beat it. I would say that if Dodge hadn’t discontinued it the Viper would the first American car under 7 seconds. I think it deserves a lot of credit. The GTD only beat it by 4 seconds with 800hp.

[@knightwing4]

In my opinion the Viper ACR should stay in the conversation until the Corvette Z06 and the Mustang GTD can beat it by a substantial amount. The GTD has an extra 155hp for a car that’s extremely purpose built and it only beat the ACR by 4 seconds. I don’t doubt that the ZR1 will beat it but it has over 1000hp. Those 2 cars have had a lot of development time since the Viper ACR did it in 2016 for the Z06 to lose and the GTD to only win by 4 seconds. Yes I’m a Viper fan if you’re wondering.

[@Drifterman07]

Lets see what the acr can do with the new cup 2s

[@granthoepfner8990]

Maybe I'm just not of understanding, but I always thought mustang rival was always Camaro and GT40 was corvettes rival? I'm guessing I'm wrong? I thought they are in 2 different classes

[@Hotrodclassic]

You’re not wrong … the ford fan boys just wont except it..!!!!! 😂😂😂😂🤣

[@JackFox-n1o]

Corvette ZR1

[@kennethelliott5985]

The vette should be faster because its always been a dedicated high end sports car!

[@clarrnceclark9482]

Mustang My favorite

[@RodneyRotten]

F40 Porsche 959. McLaren, is playing big boy chips their own engines.

[@tombrightman9206]

The ZR1 has physics over the GTD. The GTD is doing a lot with a front engine car, but Mustang needs a mid engine car that starts at about $80K. The ZR1 also has those some advantages over the Porsches and Mercedes that aren't mid engine. Ford has already done a Mustang EV, so doing a different ICE configuration just extends the brand in a better direction. 1064 plus HP and mid engine wins for the ZR1

[@trippydanny920]

Ford should bring back the ford thunderbird name as a midengined v8 sports car to compete with the corvette

[@aehlen100]

It's not the gearing messing with the Corvette. It's the active downforce.

[@TP-mb8jg]

It boils down to the DRIVER SKILL SET and knowing the car. period.

[@JohnJ.Hillier]

The Ford Mustang is going to make a big statement!!!

[@Darren-r8l]

I don't care about these two vehicles the new rear engined Corvette,I don't like it l I like the C7 Corvettes with their non claustrophobic cabin interiors.The only mustang's I like are the regular mustang gt 's and the new whipple factory warranted Whipple supercharger kit.800 plus horsepower with a regular gt that costs a little over $50k verses $300k plus for a mustang GTD for rich people.👍🏻

[@Mistadontplay89]

My prediction is that the ZR1 won't be able to put all that power to the ground when exiting the corners...if anything, it will shine on the straights. I'm more than happy to be wrong though cause I'm broke and don't have a dog in the fight. I think both these cars are engineering marvels.

[@braddavidson3568]

711 in traffic with who driving?

[@pdn0018]

Austin just answer me this. Left. Middle or right selection? You know what I’m talking about

[@blackhornet25]

Chevy will post the time publicly if they beat Ford's time. If they don't beat it, they will not make it available to the public

[@Hotrodclassic]

And the ford GT 500 did the same ford soy boy…didnt c a lap time to compare to the ZL-1 Camaro….😮😎

[@John-jl9de]

300K for a mustang? It better be faster than anything else at this price point.

[@3thingsfishing427]

ZR1 is 1,000 pounds overweight. Figure it out, Chevy.

[@Arithmophobia]

its lighter than the GTD

[@jeffwill4923]

GM wants the car to be able to lap in all hot climates. There's a lot of fluid being cooled on ZR1.

[@williammoree]

Both cars are very capable but my money is on that zr1❤❤

[@bernhard.k]

The gearing in my old C5 Zo6 was also not good for the track. There were only 5 gears for aggressive shifting, the sixth gear was a long gear (420km/h) for low revs on the highway or autobahn. Porsche already give 6 aggressive gears in their cars at that time. I dont understand this gear settings on really sport cars by chevy. For normal Corvettes it makes sense, but not for the track versions.

[@danieldumford3249]

Hopefully they pulled that engine back 8 inches from the front it’s now more 54/46

[@AnthonyCrowl]

Ford all the way. All the way from Canada ..

[@LeonardAdams-dw8xp]

if you listened closely to your explanation, for all the folks who say or ask "is the corvette a super car.." aside from the chevy brand itself eliminating that, its the balance in American sports cars.. supercars are not about stuffing the most power into a car, its about "balance" hence why you could get a top speed from half the horse power- a mclaren, its because a McClaren is double the car. neverthless, corvettes are good "sports cars."

[@davidhensley-zi3iu]

Why is Chevrolet trying to compete with a car that’s not in its league.the GTD has more in it, it can probably run a 6.50. They left areas to improve on that run.

[@jad4ca]

I don’t believe GM was benchmarking the GTD when they developed the ZR1. More likely they were targeting street-based supercars and hypercars, not a thinly-veiled race car built by Multimatic with an interior from a $30k mustang.

[@williamtrueman7898]

I always look at the car that looks the most badass. The mustang to me is the winner.

[@adonis190911]

Its crazy ppl still think a mustang is a direct competitor to a corvette, this is a gt3 spec race version lol. But congratulations to ford.

[@meldoon]

Put the ZR1 engine in the Corvette race car and be done with it!

[@prodicalvoyce3565]

" ONLY IF CHEVY SWITCH BACK TO THEE H-SHIFT AND GO ALL WHEEL DRIVE" I'm just say'n But What Doi Know?

[@DWH300]

The stop speed the ZRl set used a banked Track to get up to speed then a 2.5 mile straight away to hit the 233 speed announced by GM. The Nurburgring isn't banked with the longest straightaway being 1.2 Miles yet the GTD was around 200 mph at the end of that shorter Straightaway. The Mustang GTD isn't a slouch with over 800 horsepower while using sophisticated multimatic active Areo and suspension components. Ford has added New team drivers to their GT3 factory race team replacing Dirk Muller. I won't mention names, but two have raced in the 24 hours at the Nurburgring.

[@fasttime823]

GTD was around 187 mph on that Straightaway not 200 mph! GM already stated the ZR1 was touching 200 mph every time out on the straightaways on the Ring with GM Engineers driving.

[@jeffwill4923]

Speeds on straits were close to GT3 RS. That's not good. GTD has to be at least 10 mph faster and hit over 190 on last strait. ZR1 will be at least10 mph faster on all straits vs GTD if driven correctly.

[@UrsulavonB]

2004 BMW Le Mans SUV with Hans Stuck driving did a 7:50 lap. That lap time stood​@@fasttime823for 19 years.

[@stevefowler2112]

My seven year old Porsche 911: Hold my Beer!!! (an Aerospace Engineer who owns a 2018 Porsche GT2 RS MR...6:38 'Ring time).

[@chrismathes3647]

It was on a shorter track 12.8 to 12.94 Manthey Racing is literally located right there at the Ring lol. It ran 6:40 which Misha and others said the GTD is capable of. Seems everyone comparing these times leaves out the details small or large 🤷

[@knightwing4]

@@chrismathes3647Do you think .14 of a mile would make that much of a difference? I think not. The Viper only lost by 4 second and it only had 645hp compared to 800hp for the GTD.

[@A_to_Zappa]

What's the MSRP of the Mustang GTD $300K v. the Vette $140K...

[@markbunn8576]

The Z07 Z06 should've came with different transmission gearing from the factory to match the powerband of the engine.

[@jeffwill4923]

The gearing is probably setup for VIR. Rear end ratio is maybe why gearing is setup around.

[@flexinclouds]

The C7 ZR1 did an unofficial 6:57.. which makes sense considering the VIR "Lightning Lap" times. The C7 ZR1 is 6th fastest (was 4th) of all time. And the C8 Z07 is slightly faster, in 5th place (tied with 765LT). But both Vettes beat every ferrari, 600LT, 720s, Manthey 991-992 gt3rs/gt3, Huracan Perf/STO, Ford GT, 918 spyder & more. Only losing to 765LT (by 2 tenths), a 992 GT3RS, AMG GT Black, & a SENNA So the C8 Z07 alone should be around 7min.. And the ZR1 should easily be in the 6:40's

[@christenn32]

Why does GM need a vette to comepte with a Mustang? Sad state of affairs over at GM.

[@bwaters698]

Right!! ZR1 starting price 180.000 grand ,Multimatic GTD starting price 325.000 grand !!!

[@SteveOriskany-q7t]

So you made these 2 videos before doing any research on the cars or the track? Awesome 👍😂

[@JayRSwan]

The C7 ZR-1 currently holds Chevys fastest lap time

[@8lakk5unshine]

The battle of overpowered, overweight cars. What ever happened to a car under 3000 lbs that doesn't need a thousand BHP and doesn'tr kill tieres and suspension? Can I get a 2800 lb car with 500-600 bhp? You can keep 1000 bhp tanks.

[@jeffwill4923]

Best choose on those weights are C6 Z06 with mods. GM can't build a model like that anymore. Have to look into Retro mods also. Special light weight models are out there but most are hard to get or costs very high.