2025 RAM 2500 Limited: This Refresh Could Be A Big Disappointment…

[@karr1071]

I wish they would focus on making improvements in durability, I don’t care about changing the looks every 2-3 years, make the engine and transmission bullet proof!!!

[@abmtz8537]

The front end suspension has always been trash on ram hd’s no matter what generation. It would be nice if they made it more robust themselves instead of making customers pay thousands on aftermarket brands.

[@mjoliver457]

​@@abmtz8537 people that hate ram are like how tf do you have no problems with the suspension or the truck itself because I have no issues with the truck itself I'm sorry if you guys don't buy their vehicles but I'm going from 2015 ram 3500 dully mega cab to newer weather I get negativity handed to my face in the comments

[@CornFed_3]

@@abmtz8537, how is the front suspension trash? It’s a solid front axle with shocks, springs, and radius arms.

[@CornFed_3]

There’s nothing wrong with the Cummins engine or the Aisin 6-speed. You’re just complaining for the sake of complaining.

[@mjoliver457]

@@CornFed_3 who them

[@lawdog800]

I have owned 5 Cummins Rams and and probably 15 or more Dodge / Ram trucks since my first at 16. Always been a Mopar guy. Due to Ram’s failure to update their trucks I just bought a 2025 ZR2 HD Duramax. Not spending $100k on a new Megacab that is the same as my 2012 Megacab with a different grille. Yes the interior is nicer but basically same as my 2019 Longhorn Mega was. Hopefully Tim Kuniskis can change things up and maybe I will buy a new Ram in a few years

[@CZ-kz7ug]

Just me, but ram should be like a kenworth w900. Minimize major appearnce changes to keep costs down. Work on reliability, increase frame and suspension strength. Maybe even try a electric steering rack with 1" tie rods for HDs to tighten up steering.

[@mred3660]

The steering is already better than the electric power steering gm trucks and once you use Alfa OBD and adjust tire pressure thresholds the ram really drives great when empty it no longer feels your on the edge of being out of control

[@4FishLimit]

According to the almighty Google an Aisin 69RC tips the scales at 348 lbs. The ZF Powerline comes in at 328 lbs. What isn’t specified is if that includes fluids and torque converter. Given the assumption that the new 6.7 head is aluminum there’s going to be weight savings there vs. the outgoing design. Of course the weight savings there will largely be negated by the switch back to CGI. There’s only a few ways this plays out: -Ram increases GVWR, which obviously bumps payload. This also confirms what most people believe in regard to 10K GVWR being arbitrary and not a true reflection of the 2500s capabilities. -Ram surprises us with more use of aluminum or composite materials to drop curb weight. -Ram throws in the towel in regard to payload on 2500 series trucks and keeps the 10K rating. I’m with you though, outside of the upcoming powertrain changes this refresh is pretty underwhelming. It’s already a given that 2500 diesel will end up at $2-3K higher MSRP than current trucks due to the higher cost ($12K) of the single diesel option. If they try and hike prices further they’re going to have just as much of hard time moving these trucks in a year two, especially if there’s engine or trans problems.

[@supporterofsanity]

Not that exciting is an understatement. We are just days away from 2025 and there’s no 2025 from RAM yet. If this is the new model, it looks like they stuck a new grill on a 2024 and called it a day.

[@robertburns5145]

I agree, I’m completely underwhelmed by the “refresh”. And of course Ram will price it out of reach for most people.

[@rollingacresfarmstead206]

There is zero wrong with the current setup

[@546people]

I don’t know why the 2500 market still exists. Pretty sure these new 3500’s ride pretty dang smooth. Thanks for the video.

[@harryniedecken5321]

I wish that was true, but especially when lightly loaded, too harsh compared to an air ride.

[@ryanmcguire9335]

@@harryniedecken5321 My 3500 SRW rides pretty good with the factory Ram Air bags and tires aired down to a reasonable PSI. I saw no use for a 2500 unless you were wanting a gas engine.

[@harryniedecken5321]

@@ryanmcguire9335 Living in California, it's just too painful to own a diesel truck. The added license fees and now 2x a year smog inspection, etc. I am hoping that ram brings the Cummins gas engine to the HD line

[@Factory132z]

as a consumer and owner of a 5th gen, I want improved reliability assurance. I could care less about more power or different looks it has more than enough power to haul my toy hauler, if they would go back to the 2018 and under lifter style and stick with the CP3 and the new CZ transmission I would buy Rams forever. luckily I have not had a lifter roller failure but it sucks to always wonder if and when.

[@hellkitty1014]

My suspicion is that the 25-26/27 are stop-gap trucks, only because I've heard from credible sources that not only did Tavares kill the HEMI, he also killed the budget for the HD conversion to the 5th-gen cab. That alone let's me know he never understood the American truck market because GM, Ford, and Ram pay the bills off of their 1/2, 3/4, and 1-ton trucks. With Tim coming back and my gut tells me that there was no way he would come back to revive thr brand if he wasn't given the tools to do so, we'll have that all new truck in the next 2-3 years. I'm actually not as offended at the lack of updates because I'm more excited that the Powerline is coming with an updated CTD. And...this at the same time that we may have less stringent rules on allowing our trucks to "breathe" easier come Jan 20th, 2025. 😊

[@jeffs2809]

Ram released exterior pics of some ‘25 models about a month ago. Idk if they released limited images, but from what I could see, changes were mostly in the grill. As far as the payload & gvwr goes, it’s kind of stupid (IMHO) to have 2 different frame & rear axle configurations between the 2500 & 3500. That said, the 10k gvwr is “just” a sticker. There’s plenty of room left on those coil springs for more payload than what’s on the door. My ‘17 2500 has had over 3,000 lbs in the bed & still wasn’t on the bump stops(coils only, no airbags).

[@Jassman3536]

I feel the design is not enough. Same cab, same size bed which is the shortest of the 3. Their trans have not held up and although the diesel is the same but improved is a plus for those that want diesel. I have slowly switched our fleet to gas since 2020 and the 6.4 just doesn't get the task done vs the 7.3's. I'm in my truck most of the day so comfort is where RAM kicks butt especially in their upper trims...best in the industry with GM a close second and Ford needs a lesson from the other two. Time will tell but I need to get 3 new trucks in 2026 so patiently waiting.

[@ck1abe515]

From what I understand, ram needs to figure out a solution for their cp4 pump problems and reliability all around, their interiors are still pretty phenomenal and maybe increase the room of the cabin similar to ford, I’d also love to see a longer bed version of the hd trucks, 8’ ft bed would be sweet without having to special order your truck or deal with a tradesman just for the longest bed option, oh and before I forget, give us a larger fuel tank as a standard option ram, 31 gallon tank is not much for a heavy duty truck ram!

[@hellkitty1014]

Ram runs the far more reliable CP3.

[@treeamigo8447]

Wrong. Ram only used the cp4 on 2019 and 2020 model years. They then went back to the cp3 AND did a free retrofit for the 19 and 20 models so the customer wasn't out on a limb. Ford is the only brand still using the cp4. Gm went to denso.

[@ck1abe515]

@ thanks for the info

[@wildeman7443]

@@treeamigo8447I believe it was 21 as well using the garbage pump

[@joseramos7476]

They need to use the 1500 Cab to really get with the times, outdated.

[@harryniedecken5321]

Agree, they either need to raise the 3/4 ton megacab load rating by 1000 lbs, or use a better suspension on the 1 ton srw. 5 people and a few things in the cab is 1000 lbs. Another 2k in the bed, and just a 4k tow and it takes a rough riding 1 ton. Put the octane Cummins in so we can use it in California

[@tunnelvision2day]

The body panels are the same as the 2010!!!!!! What are they doing. When they came out with an all new 1500, all they did was change the grill on the 2500.. But the cab, and bed are all still the same.

[@NickCurcio-c7n]

Agreed, virtually the same truck since late 09' and they wonder why their stocks are down 50 percent. The market is competitive, once stellantis took over ram stopped being innovative to cut cost. They are just putting lipstick on a pig at this point.

[@mred3660]

Yes 25 will not be the most exciting years for the HD rams but 26/27 maybe very exciting

[@dylanisthename]

The 1500 refresh was a step backwards in my opinion. Lost LEDs in the rear, but went more expensive. They went somewhere completely off the map

[@chalkdog3095]

Bout time you realize they playing yall.

[@markleon7076]

Ram is abit slow 🐌 in letting you know which is abit of tune off it like something to hide not in agood way.

[@rogueharris]

Dude I need your input; I traded my 2018 2500 for a ram 1500. I had a relapse of my drinking days. Never have had a 1/2 ton can’t stand it! Going back to 2500 ASAP! I don’t tow anymore, anything just really tall and need the room 7’-2” I get seat moved back 6”! Should I wait for the 25 or just go with 24??? Input please! Thank you

[@kelviskelvis7140]

Dude wait for the REV it's all there.

[@andrewt4427]

I think Ram should increase payload and gvwr. Work on reliability and do design refresh 8 to 10 years. Give me great quality, proven reliability and less changes to help keep costs down. If you could get pretty much the same truck between the 3 brands, but come in 10k or more less than the others woukd definitely be good.

[@gardnetbush9768]

Hey JB I know this have nothing to with topic but I have a dually and I want to up grade the tires what do you suggest don't won't and thing that might throw rocks or decrease my gas mileage

[@Costanza009]

Payload on my 2023 F150 supercrew is 1961 lbs. Crazy that some Ram 2500 are less than that.

[@lloydswartz7354]

My gut tells me the improvements will dissapoint. Crazy, considering how much they did on the 1500. Really was hoping to see some big improvements for the power wagon, especially engine.

[@chriscrawford2072]

Which specific bilstein shocks is he referring to?

[@mmagscott]

I wonder if they have fixed the leather dash problems yet? Every 5th gen Ram with a leather dash seems to only last a couple years before it starts bubbling up.

[@bobsclassiccarsparts8772]

I’m not a fan of the wheel opening flares. Other than that the truck looks ok to me. I agree with you about having the air bags available on the 2500

[@kkbsrt8687]

They need to make the truck larger to keep up with Ford and GM. Truck bed and crew cab. Of course do more than change the grill.

[@MikeClement-o3s]

Concerning the air suspension, I tried to order a 2025 3500 Limited at my Dealership and was told it was not being offered as an option unless you order a dually. I'm very disappointed!

[@CornFed_3]

It’s just air assist on 3500s anyway. It’s not worth it really because adding that system actually decreases your payload capacity.

[@ciaratheparalyzedpitbull9939]

I’m more excited about the ZF powerline trans with the Cummins,I have a 21’ 2500 with the 6.4 and a 23’ 2500 with the Cummins,while I don’t mind the 68 RFE I definitely like the ZF 8spd much much better in my 6.4

[@jimwellesley5849]

I saw a picture somewhere of the ram's rearend and it looked to me to be a Dana. If so, I'd like to see the 3.55 gear come back. If not, the 3.42 in the American axle. But I'm hoping the Dana i saw is a Dana. Like the clutch posi way better!

[@objurgate1]

JB Reviews is more diesel than the trucks he reviews.

[@BrandonLeech]

As far as the chassis it's just another mid-model refresh of the same 4th gen truck. Powertrain there is some major changes and I'm excited about the transmission, but Cummins really blew it with all the problems on the 2019+ and I am not getting any hopes up that it ever be as reliable as they were up till 2018 again.

[@CornFed_3]

Yep, 2010-2025 are all 4th Gen with updates as the years progressed.

[@privateer9181]

wit the 2027 emissions comin if dodge gets the 25 cummins being super reliable il get one i think the rams are realy nice looking but buying diesel is gonna be a 20-25k option

[@rideordie2318]

We were like ok she living good 😂😂😂

[@billyd7882]

How about strong reliable drive train?

[@theantiqueactionfigure]

Just just change out the 68rfe for a ZF on the 2500. Leave the rest alone.

[@mIkEy-er9fo]

in Stellantis speak..... Upgrade= Cheapening the production costs and screwing the customer. IMHO .... Owner of: 2018 Ram 2500 Tradesman with 6.4 L Hemi.. and many upgrades for my safely transporting my Slide in Truck Camper.

[@scottnichol3319]

ram hd needs to build the hd trucks with bigger cab and flat floor like 1/2 ton. It's a no brainer plus improve tongue weight

[@jamesallen7205]

No more then then 4 years out..basically a RHO body shell.. stamped tailgate! doesn't have the squished look like the current RHO has in front ..the traditional bold grill smaller headlights (give it the big rig look) and he said the hood looked more edge like they stole it off a tundra..air flow RAM badge.. no chrome!! Possibly a new v8 no less then a 5 liter with D.I to replace 6.4hemi

[@wyo_garage20]

Ram has never considered anything a “generation”, when they say new gen that’s sales speak. Generation has always been by consumers, and always based on cab. The new trucks are absolutely 100% still a 4th gen. And it’s beyond time the HD’s get the 5th gen cab, it’s so nice Also, generation has always been based upon Cummins trucks, there were Dodge Ram trucks before Cummins came, but no one called them anything other than Dodge trucks and later things like Lighthouse and Sweptline. Colloquially ‘72-‘88 came known as first gen as well. And yes the update is very underwhelming. They’re going to mess with the Cummins again (CP4🤮) with the long awaited transmission upgrade. I have a feeling ‘22-‘24 trucks will remain desirable.

[@ciaratheparalyzedpitbull9939]

Looks like all they did was combine a rebel and Limited grill and change the headlights

[@leethomas556]

I think theyre good looking rigs

[@jamesbaker8937]

Tim was on the board when they came up with the idea of the ev dodge charger go look at it

[@vicgeier3482]

He didn't have much say in that

[@seansweeney3088]

but idk if we will have like traditional techs or so, but if it has modern electronics or any like that, (in my opinion,i would chose to downgrade for older one, i mean it's up to you i you want to buy whatever you want but i'm just gonna like get an old ram)

[@Over_the_Hill_RV_Rookies]

Grill looks more like a Laramie than a Limited.

[@jackprick9797]

The only thing that might make it decent is a new transmission. But it may all be waiting on Cummins. I believe the 7.2 is real. A 7.2 would help in emissions and we know that it would also be a HELLA gasoline engine. Yep it will be at least a model year away.

[@CornFed_3]

The 7.2L has already been confirmed via Cummins engineers. It’s also been confirmed to be modular but it’s still 2-3 model years away, per said engineer.

[@gwendolynbrown9386]

They do what they do, it’s all good!

[@timkopp2204]

Until they fix the reliability problems. I'm out. I've had five Ram's. Ford next time.

[@Money_Enterprises]

Those side steps are not from a limited.

[@cynicaltruth7486]

I love videos e with nothing but pure speculation

[@kevinmatzke2299]

I’ve had 17 2500’s I finally switched to gmc. Truck is too long though even with the short box

[@joeybishop7604]

15-year-old truck at 2025 prices

[@memoriez260]

I am so disappointed with the engineers at Dodge. They get in high dollar paychecks. To take home to give you the same trash. It's like voting for a Democrat, a different lie. No improvements in your neighborhood. Come on, y'all I don't. I don't. I don't think we should buy the 25 Ram. I thinking til, they do some real series changing. Uh, uh, and they went back to the CP 4 PM. You know me these pumps. I've changed these trashy pumps, bro. Don't tell me he's no cp. 4XL or whatever that junk is proven to CP 3. If you need more fuel pressure, double-double pump it, but debt CP 4, I'm afraid to buy it. I am afraid to buy and I'm actually in the market to buy a truck in the next 2 weeks, but that is not Going to be my choice, not a 25. No, that's all they doing. It's just a, it's a 24, actually it's a 2019 with a different built day different sticker and some ugly just that the grill look like it's a cross between, uh, a bighorn with Chrome and a tradesme. That's stupid

[@Dazza-u4c]

Well the “ Dodge “ engineer’s have ZERO to do with RAM dude. 15 years on and we still have the uneducated posting . Fact check, RAM trucks have been manufactured in Chrysler plants since 2010.

[@throws56]

They need to let go of that stupid mustache thing they keep trying to do in the grill. Not a fan of the split headlight look, but that thumbnail picture looks a lot better than the original shots they realized IMO. Still not crazy about it. Overall, love that they finally went to the powerline and even if the rumor of this new cummins having the same as the year prior, I think the performance will still be much better with the new ZF.

[@Denis-tu1pd]

All they fid was change the grill .i am going to keep my 2021 370 horse ram it pulls 20000 lbs fine . If they are going to do anything .make the truck bullet proof. For get the power . The tonage they are pulling is in air brake country .if a truck is going to pull 40000 lbs like they should have air brakes .if you loose your electric brakes your little brake rotors are not going yo stop you its going to be the person infront of you .

[@kirkdunn1379]

thats a production truck, its too late for it not to be

[@paulbane5655]

Terrible update. 2024 is King!

[@marissascott2805]

This photo is months old…

[@sjsharksfan8573]

This company and all of Stellantis is done. Bankruptcy in the near future.

[@kylecaskey1752]

Totally not exciting from any aspect other than the ZF 8 speed.

[@eeazyy7748]

If the cab is still the same size, no thank you.

[@mjoliver457]

that's fine I never had a problem with cabs to be honest

[@jefforr439]

Could be? I'm disappointed in the updated cummins. I had higher hopes and expectations. The tech you make videos with is still talking like the 7.2 is coming. I'm in the market for a new diesel. But I'm not interested in buying another ram that's a 14 year old truck. So you changed the grill and lights. Big deal. The grill and headlights are horrible.

[@sounboy4498]

Hydraulic lifters still on deck

[@landscapingspecialist]

Idk man, looks exactly the same to me. I literally don’t see any difference. Whatsoever. 👎🏻

[@mjoliver457]

to me their is a difference

[@bulletsandbacon4440]

The ones worried about the difference will pick it out in Starbucks parking lot on Saturday morning

[@sounboy4498]

Any massive changes happening will probably be in 2026, Tim being back will be some time to get things back on track. Lookimg forward to any updates doh, I love making money on modern diesel engines

[@paulradice3534]

Fiat need I say more

[@memoriez260]

This is hideous, there's no way in the world that I am going to wait any longer to get a Ram truck. If this is what dodger is doing, then I'm definitely not getting A4I gotta just go with a 22. Because this is just ridiculous This The best insight you can do you can't change defenders. You can't put no vents in offenders. You can't put no, no body lines on the side, no scooped on the hood. You can't do nothing but just put some different headlights on there and an ugly grill, an ugly grill. And once we pay some hundred and seven thousand you're crazy, that's a forty thousand dollar truck, and i'm a dodge man all day and I wouldn't buy that and actually going to buy a new truck, but not that

[@shanenelms9740]

This truck is still TRASH until they do away with the hydraulic lifter issues the ticking time bomb

[@paulpellico3797]

people, especially you folks, need to STOP using the HANDS-FREE DRIVING phrase. it is illegal and not even possible. at best, they are better and better driving assist.

[@rshnperetz]

First viewer, first like, first comment...... lesssssssss go

[@wyo_garage20]

Ram has never considered anything a “generation”, when they say new gen that’s sales speak. Generation has always been by consumers, and always based on cab. The new trucks are absolutely 100% still a 4th gen. And it’s beyond time the HD’s get the 5th gen cab, it’s so nice

[@gransport4246]

The front end is now ugly and the cab is still the old cab so not a good refresh.

[@atg1338]

Refresh🤣🤣🤣🤣