2025 US & UK Carrier Groups vs 2025 Chinese & Russian Carrier Groups (Naval Battle 87) | DCS

[@wodenbyers2793]

I would love to see a sim run with Cargos deploying the US Rapid Dragons in a wargame simulation. As some sort of preemptive/nuclear retaliation conventional assault on either China or Russia.

[@haunter_1845]

The Grim Reapers did a Rapid Dragon strike on the Black Sea Fleet last week which was great.

[@grimreapers]

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[@IetsgoBrandon]

@@grimreapers I wonder if a battle between kirov and type 055 can be made, please?

[@lukeallison3713]

@@IetsgoBrandon Depends which Kirov, what version. The nakmimov coming out of refit would probably anihalate the 055, it’s meant to have 80 antis ship vls for zircon, kalibr, oniks, and the 96 cell revolver vls will remain plus polymet redut so basically all Russian aa missiles can be used between the two systems, including the quad pack missiles that go in the redut system

[@cyronader]

@@lukeallison3713 can the Russians afford to fully load the Kirov with all its missiles?

[@SirSmurfalot]

To be more realistic, you should have the Russian carrier randomly take a sharp turn to port and sink from internal explosions.

[@callofduty732]

😭😭😭

[@callofduty732]

This is gold this made my morning 😂

[@kebabremover970]

In reality, the entire crew, upon seeing the order to engage the US Navy, will file for dismissal and leave, which were written and signed a couple of weeks before the order. The entire fleet will remain anchored at base.

[@KJ-iy3ex]

@すし Out of curiosity, not disagreeing; what is super off with this? Aside from the odd AI behavior. I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know. I just recently found DCS and have started down the addictive road of learning about Aviation/Naval/Missile technology.

[@bzhandle]

Actually you should just have a couple Russian ships randomly explode from someone smoking where they shouldn’t 😂

[@deeptoxd816]

This guy makes us feel extremely valued

[@grouchitis]

He could bring us cookies too

[@RickTait]

i personally really enjoy being called a viewington

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

​@@RickTait HMS Viewington should be a RN QE class in a future video.

[@GorlockSlayer]

When I first started watching, I thought he was saying “valley viewers”. It’s one of my funniest stories.

[@mm3mm3]

That’s why I come here day after day lol

[@chadhagans6687]

Cap moderately frustrated = incredible quotes. 31:50 “Crazy maverick British pilot going nuts. Likes to play with swords. Going into a dog fight. With a gun. He doesn’t have. And he’s dead. Rightfully so… he’s a knob!” Fell free to post your favorite GR quote…

[@chadhagans6687]

36:30 Fly “SNEAKY! Fly RTB.”

[@stash_of_g]

" even thoug he doesnt have a gun he's goes into a dogfight, ladies and gentlemen i give you the BriTiSH !! " 😂 27:53

[@Nr15121]

Sock being so eager and happy about shooting down a lightning is hilarious especially since all the enemies missiles except for the ballistic ones are sea skimming

[@grimreapers]

Yeh, I was thinking the same as it happened...

[@5Andysalive]

@@grimreapers Maybe he just secretly hates the british navy? The military guys can be very competetive (hence the shooting at each other thing).

[@tolifeimmortalsans9483]

Shoot everything ask questions later that's a sock problem lol

[@Nr15121]

@@5Andysalive he let the missile guidance system talk him into it

[@dampsok]

​@noahraines992 the missile knows where it is at all times... too bad the pilot doesnt....

[@paulybassman7311]

Thanks GR and SuperCap for maximum awesomeness

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Paul!

[@thetorturepenguin]

27:56 'Oh even though he doesn't have a gun he's going into a dogfight... Ladies and Gentlemen I give you the British!' The most British quote ever.

[@ZDarabos]

Brits had a soldier storming nazis with a sword in WW2. This is the British spirit!

[@cpltitan8975]

Oh wait he does have a gun

[@Wraice619]

I laughed harder than I probably should have at, "He's going into a dogfight with a gun he doesn't have. Ladies and gentlemen I give you the British!" 😂

[@MRAWESOME22]

FireDad would have been taken out if Cap didn't warn him, thinking that he was toast. But by warning FireDad at the last minute, Fire was able to jink and evade. This then allowed him to take out some LRASMs. Cap has gotten better at not divulging too much, but it's so frustrating when he does. Sometimes you can hear the frustration in Simba's voice, too, when he is deprived of a kill due to the warning Cap gives.

[@ChristopherMallonMusic]

It wouldn't surprise me much if every time he said "oh there's a thing" every human immediately goes evasive lol.

[@MRAWESOME22]

@@ChristopherMallonMusic Yea. He has gotten better about it, but I bet if he thought of things to say when he sees an exciting human-involved interaction, it would be better and he would have less of an impact on the match. Maybe just use the same vague phrase for both AI and human. Like, "Oooo look at this valued viewers!"

[@ChristopherMallonMusic]

@@MRAWESOME22 I'd set it up so while the microphone is always on for recording, it was push-to-talk to talk to his people, so they don't hear every single thing he says. But it's still entertaining, either way! :)

[@smilemore1997]

​@@ChristopherMallonMusicshe dude. This is how it should have been from the start.

[@danh6720]

Where is the Kuznetsov’s tug?

[@starsailor49]

It sank.

[@muhammadpk3851]

🤣

[@roddywarren8261]

great work. In reality the US and British would operate in a combined carrier group thus adding their combined defense/offense and off setting any weaknesses of the British group. That would be a good simulation to run.

[@gregs7562]

Agreed. Assumjng this was in the Pacific there would also likely be RAN Hobart aegis equipped frigates plus ships from ROK & JMSDF. SAM frenzy. Not that the RN would ever have all 6 T45 at see at the same time let alone the same group 😬

[@chrisparnham]

@@gregs7562 Yeah, but it was a simulation there wouldn't be much chance of the Russian carrier group being with the Chinese group. Quite a lot of the simulation is never going to actually happen in real life it's made for entertainment purposes. The British carrier group when it did venture into the Pacific had the Type 45 Destroyers, the new Type 26 and Type 23 frigates as well as an Aegis destroyer from the US and I believe a Norwegian frigate. That's how NATO will operate in future.

[@1nternetToughGuy]

It would be too short lol they would just walk over any navy on earth

[@kimjonglongdong3158]

@@chrisparnhamif you’re talking about CSG21 with regards to makeup of the British group, the T26 isn’t in service till 2028 (iirc) so definitely wasn’t a part of it.

[@marcroelse9517]

i would think with how the ai used there defencive misslies if they where 1 big group it would have wasted way more missiles for stuff that was going to get shot down

[@tbe0116]

Most impressive battle yet. Great work!

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@connorjohnson4402]

@@grimreapers Cant wait to see how the Multi threading update that just came out will effect your guys' battles! I saw someone else's video recently where they dropped some CBU's and it didn't turn into a 10fps slide show so fingers crossed it will be great for you guys!

[@mcpousnret]

Cap, always the very best in DCS info. Thank you and the entire GR group. Retired US Navy

[@ForestBlue7]

Well done Grim Reapers, appreciate all the hard work!

[@jamison884]

Thanks Cap, GR, and Current Hill!

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Super J!

[@DannyBoyZero]

I've been on this channel for about two days now, and I've watched six or seven vids. I really don't know how much behind the curtain work you guys put into scenario modeling because I don't know anything about the program you're using. Having said that, the people involved are all top tier and the videos themselves are amazing. If you put half the work into the behind the scenes stuff that y'all are putting into gaming the scenarioes themselves you're the hardest working crew on KZbin.

[@kkeil9449]

I agree, and videos like this i don't pay attention to, but the level of detail & commentary makes this video very entertaining.

[@mclane5472]

Cap and the whole GR team, thx for continuously creating such good and enjoyable content. I have found the channel i think like 1 year ago and watched so many of your videos, even going back into some of a few years ago and i love them. You guys are amazingly skilled, have great teamwork and the energy you have with each other is just so much fun. I can't name all of you guys that i have seen fly in your videos, so if any of you see this, i just wanted to thank you all and let's go Grim Reapers!

[@OscarZheng50]

man the LRASM evading the gunshots from bird was so cool, the LRASM like ignored the bullets and focused on its mission

[@tagginondawal3961]

I love this channel. I recently found it about a week ago, and I really like these simulations! Thank you for the hard work!

[@exidy-yt]

You have some fun catching up to do! Personally I suggest going back no further then 6mos to 1yr in their back catalogue, before this time they didn't have the tools in game or talent out of game to script battles nearly as well, nor the weapons systems working properly. Mind you some of the 1yr old WW2 naval battle sims are just fantastic to watch as well at the 1-1.5yr mark. Either way, enjoy!

[@mknorthwestoutdoors5300]

I would be interested in what this looks like with submarines properly included in the strike groups.

[@mxracer158]

Great simulation. Modeling worked very well. Thanks for putting that together. Lots of hours for sure.

[@cassius_eu5970]

The modeling on Chinese ships regarding LRASMs is off. If a plane with its tiny radar can see it, then these ships with massive radars would get a radar lock at some point too. The fact that there's no missiles and not even CWIS shooting at them looks like a pretty important bug in these scenarios.

[@gibbo_303]

@@cassius_eu5970 true but keep in mind planes have time to lock the missiles, by the time ships see the missiles, get a lock and can properly react the missiles is already too close, probably is a bug tho as some would be intercepted

[@LondonSteveLee]

Modelling? What modelling? 100% success rate bringing down ASMs? No missile failures? No human error? I don't detect any modelling going on - just scripts and triggers.

[@hanrockabrand95]

@@cassius_eu5970 Maybe they were out of missiles or something, but there was CWIS. Cap even mentions it at 51:53

[@hanrockabrand95]

@@LondonSteveLee That's quite the accusation, and not backed up by the video. There were plenty of missiles losing track, missing, or blowing too short. The only reason the blues caught each missile is they flooded the sky with overkill. And I don't know what human errors you're looking for, but the Gerald Ford gets its flight deck completely gummed up, and Sock even shoots down a friendly. Did you watch the whole thing before trashing their hard work?

[@nathaniellazo5912]

Running late to the match, these massive battles are my favorite matches you guys do, this will be good!! Let's go US/UK

[@ronjeremy5826]

Shut up, clown

[@nathaniellazo5912]

That was probably the most impressive match I have seen you guys do so far. You couldn't even keep your eyes on everything going on!!

[@juliodyarzagaray]

Soon Japan will join them.

[@wolfgangkranek376]

In the real world, Russia and China: Fack around and find out.

[@brilobox2]

@@wolfgangkranek376 cope.

[@jacobystonecypher791]

Very fun to watch! Thank you for putting in the time to make such an awesome battle simulation. You guys are awesome!

[@frenchroast1355]

As fascinating as the battles are, my favorite portion is when Cap gets so friggin excited.

[@Robie1canobie]

Mine as well, it adds to the fun to hear his voice crack with enthusiasm. Totally addicted.

[@azpilotd4351]

Great video as always, the best yet! Thank you for all of that.

[@johnoverton979]

Excellent video Cap! It's good to see the technology get better and better. I can't wait to see what you guys do with multi-threading coming out soon.

[@jakelee2861]

Honestly having two commentators is a great choice

[@green_2159]

Let’s frickin go! Best video yet, huge battle, but I’m glad the server held up.

[@ThuhElement]

When Grim gets excited with pride, so do I!! I just love all these videos and appreciate the time and effort that is involved in this! Well done!

[@The_Real_Pimpaho]

The best part for me was at 25:37 when cap said " What's really important is the ship combat " . My most favorite thing to watch in DCS is the ship combat. It is only bettered by Cap's Boyish excitement he adds to the videos. Thanks Cap.

[@kenjamincollins]

I love these! Have you looked at adding the Zumwalt class under its new purpose with hypersonic missiles, as a guided missile destroyer?

[@TheRealSteve42]

They finally repurposed those useless things? Wasn't its sole design still meant to be a coastal ship though, which is wear it's fancy reduced RCS design came from? That would kind of make it useless in a fleet defense position

[@kenjamincollins]

@@TheRealSteve42 They cancelled the AGS and now are focusing it as a stealthy missile truck. I feel like its now more of an offensive option with only having three of them, so the US Navy can experiment with with that ideology.

[@ianedmonds9191]

That was amazing. Edge of the seat stuff for the whole thing. Huge Props. Luv and Peace.

[@342Rodry]

what a massive CPU effort, awesome battle !

[@ningshanwang831]

Interesting!

[@bacon81]

Those Commies right now: “But Ma HyPeRsOnIc Missles!!!” 🤣

[@КекКек-н1ц]

В дкс пкр красных реализованы ужасно, irl p 800 и p 700 обмениваются информацией и совершают противоракетные маневры, и не глупо летят по прямой

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

Cool battle!! All the boom, with stuff and things. Cheers to the beautiful people!

[@Thatmaro_guy]

This is getting better than Hollywood movies.

[@strambino1]

Reapers make the best Videos!! So glad I’ve been tuning in the last few years to see these videos become amazingly detailed and more realistic as the years go by.

[@leighgordon9311]

The Russian carrier’s new configuration is ‘not on fire’. This is considered its biggest upgrade to date.

[@exidy-yt]

Best naval battle I've ever seen simulated in DCS EVAR, and ending in a crushing blue victory! And it seemed to apply directly to the naval battle doctrines of both sides: Russian and Chinese heavy and high speed offence and not quite as strong defense, American (and presumably British) heavy defense and slow but stealthy offense. And in the end, stealth wins. If the battle went to the very end and down to the naval guns and short-range missiles, it would have been a 100% complete blue victory with few if any survivors on the red side, though the Russians might be killing a few Burkes before they went down. Fantastic job, thank you for your hard work and sharing the awesomeness with us, GR!

[@skatman3278]

This is amazing and been waiting for ages. Thank you so much for the effort, but I still do not understand why the UK is only deploying 24 F-35 when in any scenario like this it'll be closer to 40 and why the US Navy has so few F-35 when the intent is to have the majority of aircraft on the US Carriers as F-35s by mid-20s.

[@skatman3278]

@@cj64343 standard load when not expecting an operation, correct. But in any situation like this where it is high-threat, they will field at least 36 F-35 but more likely over 40 or even as high as 50. US numbers you posted are how many are intended to be bought, not how many will be on a ship. In any high-threat scenario like this, the suggestion is at least a 50/50 split but it can be as high as 75/25 to the F-35 depending on the mission.

[@godalmighty83]

@@cj64343 Yes, standard load. Not wartime loadout, which is 36, surge capacity is 'over 65', however 1/3rd of those would be Helos.

[@skatman3278]

@@godalmighty83 exactly this.

[@watcherzero5256]

US is planning 50/50 F-35/F-18 with the F-18 then being replaced by Naval NGAD. US airforce have also said they plan to have around 1000 Loyal Wingman drones in a 2:1 ratio with 200 Airforce NGAD and 300 F-35.

[@ogodei70]

​@@cj64343 Also the US Marines would deploy F 35B's off the UK carrier, boosting numbers.

[@mikkelhanson4001]

I’ve got one addition for your naval sims, one rouge Japanese 16 SS class submarine! Of course to run a sim large enough to incorporate submarine warfare to include all of the other ships, plus continued engagement would need to be massive, and wouldn’t even want to fathom that! Y’all do great sims, and really love your push for accuracy and unbiased approach. Just know that the hard work that y’all do beforehand doesn’t go unnoticed nor unappreciated! Thank you!

[@betariffic1]

This is fantastic, seeing them in a constrained geographic area with land based air and missiles in a scenario would be cool too, now that you have the pitched open ocean battle mastered

[@mfreed40k]

Woo hoo! Can't wait for this to unfold. GR is the best R in my opinion.

[@grimreapers]

Being best R is important.

[@dexlab7539]

@@grimreapers ..”R” for Realist 😊

[@Jpwoody03]

I know you don't have it in yet butt for UK CSG I think it would have been interesting to see if you had put in the type 45 with the water refresh plus the sea ceptor refit so it would have 24x camm and 48 X aster 30 nt/bmd & type 26 I know that subs aren't in consideration but with 48 sea ceptor plus a 24 cell for FC/ASw and block V tomahawk wich has anti ship capability

[@LondonSteveLee]

No contract for ASTER 30 NT has been signed yet. Still in the air.

[@rickjames18]

One of the best I've seen to date, thank you to everyone involved, really appreciate the battle.

[@colewall1777]

Your commitment to the science of modern warfare and the art of the acm is an inspiration to us all

[@mshahmirraza]

I mentioned in the previous video and I am gonna do it again that LRASMs seem invincible and cannot be intercepted even at close ranges by HHQ-10. Weird thing is the same LRASMs were visible on J-15s radar 20-30 miles away but more powerful radars on Destroyers couldn't pick them up.

[@hughmungus2760]

yeah even a Russian frigate could track and hit them, even though they're not designed primarily for air defense. I suspect its got something to do with reaction times on chinese ships having been carried over from the Type 052C and not upgraded to modern standards, or its a combination of HQ9Bs having a minimum range thats too long to engage, and HHQ10s not facing the right direction to defend. More testing should be done to find the root cause.

[@Mgaming61]

Needs fixing I guess

[@CaptainSpacedOut]

They're sea skimming missiles. They fly below radar. Plus they shot down the awacs. It's a stealth missile that flies below radar. Can't see it until it's too late.

[@mshahmirraza]

@@hughmungus2760 Yeah I agree. Plus Chinese destroyers not only carry the long range HHQ-9s but also the short to medium range HHQ-16s. But I haven't seen them use HHQ-16s in this simulation.

[@mshahmirraza]

@@CaptainSpacedOut You are right they are sea skimming and stealthy but there are limitations. At very close ranges of 10 to 20 NMs these missiles should be intercepted. When CIWS can engage them why can't HHQ-10s? Also the effectiveness of Chinese CIWS in this mod has been poor.

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

It’s gonna be incredible to think that the uk’s fleet will be taking some major steps up in the near future, here’s hoping the type 83 has a load more weapons of all kinds and can take on hyper sonics and assist other ships to doing to. personally I hope we get more destroyers than the type 45’s, maybe just an extra 2-3 making 9 at most, and who knows maybe increasing the other ship type numbers from the currently promised numbers of 8 type 26 frigates, 5 type 31 and 5 type 32’s. And hopefully by then the us will actually deliver a significant number of f35’s for the uk, rate of delivery is appalling imo atm.

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

@@flashgordon6670 but then what will operate on our carriers? and besides, since when does an aircraft 1 gen ahead of another make it obsolete? nations around the world still use gen 4 planes like f15-18’s, eurofighters and many others, prolly till the 6th gen aircraft get half way through their relevant lifetime.

[@bobpage6597]

If the Treasury bean-counters get their way, you can forget anymore Destroyers. If you might recall, we were supposed to get 12 Type 45 destroyers in the original plan. Typical it was cut down to 8, then a final cut to 6! Disgraceful!!

[@bobclack3256]

@@splatoonistproductions5345 "since when does an aircraft 1 gen ahead of another make it obsolete?" not obsolete, but a massive disadvantage, a hundred miles of a head start for 5th gen stealth aircraft is a death sentence for 4th gen.

[@danhodson7187]

@@bobpage6597 This! I'd like us to have big missile cruisers, but absolutely no chance!

[@bobpage6597]

@@danhodson7187 Nah we'd never get them. Ideally we need more of everything - subs, frigates and destroyers. But we'll never get it. Lefties are already up in arms over the £5 billion increase announced for defence. TBH, £5 billion means nothing if it isn't going to expand our capability in some very noticeable way. And that's what irritates me - it'll likely just get pissed up the wall! But yeah, lets spend £150 billion on a poxy fucking high speed rail we don't actually fucking need!!! Priorities all wrong, heaven forbid this country has a credible defence procurement and strategy!!

[@mrnourking]

no words to describe this, it's awesome.

[@JamoHenso]

Love the grind you guys have

[@KOS762]

This was an Epic battle. It was exciting and fun to watch. Thanks for all the time you all spent to make this game above and beyond the original design.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Oh, it’s the BIG one. Redfor vs Blufor, let’s go!

[@VimyScout]

Brilliant battle absolutely epic. Well done guys 👍

[@itsrocketscience9795]

i still find the effectiveness of LRASM a bit overblown. ship radars are extremely big and powerful , so it should be able to detect lrasm pretty easily once it crosses the radar horizon. ECM in lrasm probably is the least of the concerns considering the ship's powerful radar would easily get a burn through.

[@BlitzFromBehind]

Agreed. They're too stealthy and do wayy to much damage.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Indeed, Type 45 can easily track F-35 at the maximum range dictated by the curvature of the earth. Smaller RCS means just that against big RADARs - doesn't mean you can't see them! It must be said though that the Chinese still run secondary VHF RADARs on the Type 055s and Type 052s to detect stealth aircraft so their X-band AESA RADARs are probably a generation or two behind the western ones.

[@stav1369]

Honestly I just smash the like button before watching these videos now. They are that good! Amazing stuff

[@harrisone79]

I really wish submarines could be used in these scenarios. Good chance both Ivan and the chicomms would lose their carriers before their whole airwings could launch.

[@hughmungus2760]

ASW helos would probably take out the subs long before they can get in range for torpedoes. And sub launched cruise missiles are pretty easy to shoot down.

[@harrisone79]

@@hughmungus2760 but the chicomms and Ivan prob have very poor asw capabilities especially in a blue water scenario. Also you don't need missles a torpedo set to go off under the keel has a very good chance of breaking the ships back. A sub is the sniper of the navy. Only need one shot to get the kill.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@harrisone79 a torpedo has at best 30nm of range against a ship that isnt moving. If it has to chase a target, that range drops off to 10-15nm. A typical fleet in combat formation would be spread out so that a sub could never get more than 1-2 of them in a single torpedo volley. The moment your sub fires off a torpedo which is impossible to conceal. everyone in that fleet knows you're there and would pound you with ASW missiles and helicopters. Even assuming you manage to sink a ship in that fleet you lose your sub which costs Vastly more than any ship except the carrier. Its generally acknowledged that torpedoes are the last resort for any sub and a suicide option against superior numbers. Its like being a sniper that takes out one guy and gets artillery dropped on him 30 seconds later.

[@bardslee]

So when we tested the asta-30 against hypersonic missiles. The type 45 had a 100% kill rate.

[@ecbst6]

Heh, not only did Kuznetsov catch fire, like, 30 times, even the dry docks themselves were a trainwreck in a dumpster fire.

[@aa1944-k2r]

to be honest, that thing would be quite useless in modern combat lol apart from some sort of "anti terrorist" mission like they did in sryia russia just doesnt have the funding...

[@Tabacish]

​@@aa1944-k2r Yes, the difficult task of dumb bombing villages without any SAM abilities...

[@ecbst6]

@@aa1944-k2r See, I started wondering about drone and AI modernization. Drop all the manned aircraft capability completely, shift to drone/AI... Hmmmmm 🤔

[@AlphaAurora]

At this points, its utility will be shooting additional Shipwreck SSMs.

[@Tabacish]

@@ecbst6 Lol, only modernization in the Russian navy is of the admirals cars and house appliances...

[@jordannewsom4578]

I love these types of videos for some reason. I love all GR’s stuff but these simulated naval battles and the many different scenarios they’ve tested are SOO fkn interesting to me for some reason idk why I live them so damn much but I do!!

[@OPF2remydk]

Awesome work getting this together. I'd be interested to see you put a flight of blue anti shippers at the beginning.

[@Robie1canobie]

Lately my go to in order to fall asleep, not that the content is boring, more that cap’s voice is soothing or something? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Just the same thanks G.R. Entertaining, informative and somehow lulling. PS this is the one I’ve been waiting for! I hope I can make it through it.

[@FeatheredDino]

The Kuznetsov is out of drydock for now, until it catches on fire again. 😅

[@guilhermecarvalhedo1549]

im watching from Brazil, awesome video, congratulations!!!!

[@Anstras1_431]

With the UK fleet layout, have you thought about making it with the UK type-26 and type-35 frigates as part of your 2020s carrier escort fleet? I know that their coming out in the back half of the decade but it’s just a though. The reality is that the UK fleet would not dedicate all of the Their Daring class in one strike group

[@gregs7562]

Yup T45, T26/23 & T31. The upcoming refitted T45 layout is fantastic . All short range Aster scrapped for the long-range version & Quad packed CAMM. Something like 68 missiles. T26 & 31 to get the US vls system again with quad packed CAMM.

[@robandcheryls]

Phew I neede this Combat SIM, some beers, than bed. Relaxing sat night (I’m 53) 🇨🇦 Veteran

[@grimreapers]

Thanks guys!

[@marinuslubbe3993]

Damn that was a big one! I feel like the best chance for the red team would be to fire all their Anti ship missiles at once in the begining to try and take out 1 carrier. Then they would have a big advantage, but they were firing them in waves instead. Also was the YJ21 nerfed ? It's terminal speed was like half than it was in the other videos. Also the British ships weren't even able to fire at them and now they were activly intercepting them.

[@grimreapers]

We've changed YJ-21, apparently it's real life impact speed is going to be around mach 4. So it now slows as it gets lower.

[@marinuslubbe3993]

@@grimreapers I mean PLA's strategic support force official account on their weibo app stated that it has a mach 10 terminal speed . It has been covered by big media outlets like Eurasian times, South China morning post etc Obviously it is debatable whether that claim is true or not, but since in these simulations you go by public available figures the specs should match the officially stated ones.

[@enzoking9043]

​@@marinuslubbe3993 If the yj21 data is set correctly, the blue team is sure to lose. This battle will turn into carnage.

[@marinuslubbe3993]

@@enzoking9043 yeah. I get the feeling any time China has an advantage somewhere they nerf it so it doesn't make a difference.

[@The136th]

@@grimreapers Nah, the real life terminal speed is Mach 10, it doesn't need to slow down, as it's guided by Satellite

[@Ryebread3325]

This was one of the best videos I've seen in a while. Appreciate the hard work and content.

[@shtorm2616]

It would have been fun to see the 80 LRASMs fired plus the blue's ship based ASHMs instead of just the 24 LRASMs that were fired and the British being 'un-maverick' but then again that'd probably be overkill. Still one of my fave videos so far keep up the good work!

[@emmata98]

Yeah, should wipe out both carrier groups

[@lightray706]

@@emmata98 kinda doubt it as russians have shown they can defend really well against Lrasms, so they'd probably stop at least 30.

[@emmata98]

@@lightray706 different setup. Also with rearming they literally have to fight hundreds to have anything returning home

[@mosskalva108]

Wow this was great! As others have noticed, the quotes are incredible 😂 loved it

[@ecbst6]

Setting my morning coffee to Maximum BoomBoom.

[@grimreapers]

lols

[@jamison884]

Pre-battle comments. First, I love GR. Thank you for fullfilling my online battle/war sim needed with so much skill and effort. None of what I type below is a complaint! I must make that clear. I only want to add my comments and opinion and perhaps someone will find it relevant or useful. I freaking love this battle and GR videos and can't wait to watch. Pretty much all of the intangibles which either simply can't be modeled in DCS or can't be modeled very well, end up favoring the blue/NATO side in the real world. 1. Submarines - the single largest NATO advantage, in perhaps all of modern combat, let alone naval battles. 2. Training - blue has better training programs in general, larger budgets, and in the case of China specifically, actual experience in modern combat to formulate their training. I think it's fair to say NATO pilots are the best trained worldwide in particular. The US and UK have the highest respect and tradition of excellence on the oceans. Russia has a crappy carrier and allowed their large Black Sea flagship to be taken out by a country effectively without a navy. 3. The actual Type 003 only has 3 catapults and 2 elevators rathers than the Ford's 4 catapults and 3 elevators. And that's not even taking into consideration the lack of carrier operational experience due to operating on smaller STVOL carriers in past years with NATO directly observing a very slow deck operation during Chinese open sea training missions. 4. By 2025, the US will be within a couple of years of implementing their own hypersonic missiles onto ships. I admit the reds have the missile advantage for 2025, but it likely won't last too long (2030 max perhaps). 5. The 2025 Tomahawk loadout would be able to fire at moving ships to increase the blue anti-ship missile loadout. 6. NSM is potentially going to be added as a VLS anti-ship missile by 2025, but GR is right to exclude them as it's an unknown still. 7. Although I absolutely adore the work Current Hill has done and he has been a force for infinite good in DCS and for GR, there are really only two issues I have with CH-created assets. 1) the China and RU ships apparently (both?) have an additional 24x-48x "countermeasure/decoy" launchers that effectively act as super-short-range SAMs to take out incoming missiles. I know about these launchers in the real world and they exist, but the blue side doesn't have their own decoy systems modeled at all, so it's simply not 1-to-1 when it comes to ship countermeasures. 2) The newer RU ship can apparently detect stealth anti-ship missiles like LRASM. The only reason I've seen given is the RU ship is recently built. If that's the reason, why doesn't the US have their upgraded SPY-6 radar on their own ships (currently being retrofitted on numerous ships with the first examples sailing)? 8. This is really a huge one. The full capability of data link is not modeled for the blue side. This is relevant as the blue data link and target deconfliction is absolutely better than the red side given all public indications. Just look at Russia's military performance where infantry are scavenging commercial grade walkie talkies and stuff. The F-35 is essentially designed to enhance the data link capabilities of the entire fleet. Aegis is likely able to do things in the real world that are just nuts. 9. Also amazingly huge - the blue side has significnatly better electronic warefare capabilities, once again driven by the F-35's capabilities among other tech. 10. Experience is something that can't be fully replaced. For all the manufacturing and development China does in particular, nothing they made and the way they would fight is truly an unknown factor. Will those hypersonic anti-ship missiles fire? Will their SAMs intercept NATO missiles? Will their radar and other sensors work well? Will their materials hold up in battle? WIll their people fight well in an organized manner under pressure? No one knows and no one will know until the unfortunate time warfare breaks out. Russia, the US, and the UK all have recent histories of warfare and the world in general knows how well these countries fight from both the position of their hardware/weapons and people. With all that said, I still freaking love all of GR and CH and I merely type out this stuff to be informative. It doesn't take away from the entertainment or detract from the excellent efforts made by all involved. Appreciate what these guys have done, as trying to enhance a sim with consumer-grade public software and data to this level is just amazing.

[@doomer_to_boomer2402]

I was wondering, does having a bunch of stealth aircraft on the deck of an aircraft carrier reduce it's radar profile to hypersonic missiles? Those things basically come down on top of target, so I was wondering if covering an carrier with a load of angled stealth surfaces would make it look smaller. I know DCS won't model that, but would it have an affect irl?

[@Dirtyharry70585]

Don’t think the aircraft could not hide such a massive ship with radars running

[@dgthe3]

Stealth isn't a cloaking field that surround the plane. It reduces the radar return of the aircraft itself, nothing else. I guess you wouldn't see the deck immediately underneath the plane. But most of the deck would still be generating a return. Along with the island, the sides of the hull, the on-deck equipment and so on. Think of it another way: if you are wearing camouflage & lie down on top of a tank, can the tank still be seen? Same sort of thing with stealth aircraft parked on the deck of a carrier.

[@doomer_to_boomer2402]

@@dgthe3 Yeah I get that. I mean, like, in a clinch, could you just bring up all the stealth planes and just park them all over the top, covering as much of the carrier as you could. If the missiles are arcing down, and self-guiding for the biggest radar signature, could you bring down the carrier's radar signature enough to look like a smaller ship? If you lie down on top of a tank, it'll still look like a tank with a camo splodge in the middle of it, but if you get a platoon to lie down on the upper surfaces of a tank, it'd just look like a larger camo splodge, or a bunch of guys lying down 😉

[@doomer_to_boomer2402]

@@flashgordon6670 Or, make a smaller ship very radar-obvious with a canopy that just makes it look bigger? So to a hypersonic missile radar looking for the biggest radar signature it sees the carrier as a smaller ship and a few small drone ships with a canopy between them look like a tempting target...

[@doomer_to_boomer2402]

@@Dirtyharry70585 Not hide, just, deflect enough radar to make it look smaller than something else...

[@alexkingvideo]

This is absolutely mad and I loved every second of it 👏🏼 Thank you

[@willwozniak2826]

Round 2...FIGHT! OUTSTANDING.

[@kenhelmers2603]

What a ton of work! Great stuff :)

[@zacherlandson3132]

Great video good job guys

[@DeNFlix...]

I'm looking forward to watching this tonight, cheers guys.

[@jouniairplanevideos]

Lovely video! I hope you can make more EU countries like the Dutch joining the US and UK CG

[@Mgaming61]

Just wanted to ask about Admiral Nakhimov, wouldn't she also be in the Russian Task force. I mean if the Peter the Great was in the older Carrier task group, wouldn't the new refitted Admiral Nakhimov be in the one? Or are there no conformation on which task force she'll be in

[@doomer_to_boomer2402]

Brilliant video! Such a shame KZbin monetisation policy is a mess.

[@grimreapers]

Yes agreed.

[@dexlab7539]

..agreed, if possible please support Cap and the guys via their Patreon 😊

[@Ishawn.Ramaaj]

Loved the video! Now that was awesome!

[@tomejkol1]

wait.. it was 2021!?!?!?! Time goes too fast

[@grimreapers]

I know right?

[@fagalon9152]

I've been waiting a looooong time for this I'm going to enjoy this :)

[@andregabrieltimcang8182]

yo Cap, have u heard about the new multi-threading on DCS?

[@grimreapers]

Rgr

[@tinaphillips7239]

That was an intense and awesome simulation! I do something extremely similar at home but I use 3D printed ships, planes and helicopters with their own individual stat cards and play that way.

[@sirukin7849]

This is by far the most impressive simulation of a carrier strike group fight yet. So much happening. It'd be interesting if you had the OPFOR controlled by players as well rather than AI to see if the outcome could be changed.

[@cgnefarious5785]

There were humans on the Red team. I think it was four on each side. If they could get enough people to man every aircraft on both sides... now that would be something.

[@Maverick0451]

YESSS!!! This was the best large scale naval battle you have done to date, and I say that not because my countries coalition fleet prevailed, but because almost all the AI did their thing the way they were supposed to, apart from the Maverick Brits in the F-35's!! Top notch flying by Bird, that would have been even more devastating for the Red's if you hadn't intercepted so many LRASM's!! I watched on Rumble, and I will again encourage all you Viewingtons to hop over there and do the same. If you truly support the Grim Reapers, then PLEASE, go watch these missions (which have had SOOOO much work put into them) on a platform that will not demonetize you for content that is not in any way offensive. I won't get rid of youtube, my kids watch stuff on here, and I follow some good history content on here, but DAMN, they are seriously fucking up if they think anything about a single Grim Reaper's video is worth demonetizing. Sorry for the rant, it just pisses me off that a platform would shoot itself in the foot by hurting the very people who are responsible for making it what it is, or rather, what it was.

[@danielm81]

This really was one of the greatest battles! Well done!

[@danielm81]

BTW - subscribed!

[@grimreapers]

Welcome!

[@thalo215]

Quite a fun video. I'd love to see a baltic fleet battle with the Swedes joining the British fleet against the Russian Baltic fleet.

[@SATO_FD2R]

I just finished watching the China vs USA vid for the first time, he said this video was in the works. And sure enough posted 50 minutes ago! 😆

[@grimreapers]

Good timing!

[@Dawnbandit1]

Loss of life/casualty differences: The 003 doesn't have a crew complement listed, but based on the smaller Type 002 and similar sized Kitty Hawk carrier, it would have a crew complement of ~4000. The 055 has a complement of "300+", so let's say 350*2=700. The 052D has a complement of ~280, so 280*2 is 560. J-15B (1 or 2 seater,) let's say that it is split 1:1, so ~46 KJ-600 is the Chinese CATOBAR E-2D equivalent, crew complement of 5-6, so ~16 MiG-29K is single seater, so 27. Total REDFOR casualties: ~5,350 _________________________________ F-35 (all variants, single seater): 27 (probably less if the British pilots didn't go all dumb. F/A-18F (two seater): 16 Total Blufor casualties: 43 All in all, REDFOR had ~124x more casualties than BLUFOR.

[@simonwoess5679]

I think there is also a mod with the Shenyang J-31 would be very cool if you could include Stealth fighters for both sides

[@simonwoess5679]

The Chinese said they want to go for a Figther thats faster than the F-35 at mach 1.8 and more Stealthy than the J-20 so RCS under 0.05m2 but higher than the F-35 0.005m2 It could carry up to 4 PL-15 internal and 6 PL-10 and /or PL-12 externaly It would be propelled by 2 WS-19 engines with around 100 KN thrust with afterburners each I think that would make it and overall equivalent to the F-35 wich would make this battles much more balanced

[@vector8877]

Unfortunately, that's a 2030+ plane. Not a 2025 one. By 2030 the US will have sixth gen fighters too which I'm sure we shouldn't include.

[@simonwoess5679]

@@vector8877 I think it will be an 2030s plane such as the J-20 is an 2020s plane. With the first units being ready years earlier but reaching full operational readynes later Its also estimated that it will enter service in 3 to 4 years BTW the NGAD of the navy won't enter service till the mid 2030s

[@grimreapers]

If you could link it to me in the GR Discord I would love to try it.

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

This tremendous! Its the excitement of sport with the coolness of war tech. Love having time to sit and watch these

[@Decrepit_biker]

Great video Cap, as always. I alwyas feel a valued viewer! And thank you for all the hard work!!!... but I have to ask why you always hamstring the UK carrier to only 24 F35, when it can surge to 36-40 in wartime? We currently have around 30 F35b in the UK and should be able to field the standard "war time" load out of 36 F35b on one carrier by the end of 2023!

[@tonybell404]

It's a somewhat unrealistic expectation unfortunately to expect 100% of the available aircraft to be available for use on HMS QE. Even then though she's been described technically as capable of up to 50+ aircraft, standard full operational strength will be 24 f35 according to Admiral Tim Radakin "by 2024" so at least that's accurate, with other numbers being made up of merlin and wildcat, with martlet and crowsnest. The QE class will also be using different types of drones and multiple different types have been tested in the last few months on HMS PoW. Honestly the 6x Type 45 is the most unrealistic problem for me (although not that much becaused im biased towards them hahahaha), I'd love to see a 2030s UK CSG fielding 4 type 26, 2 type 45 etc. with FC/ASW or whatever ends up being that missle

[@Decrepit_biker]

@@tonybell404 true, it is unrealistic to expect all F35 to be available for operation at any one time, but I would say that 36 operational would be reasonable by 2025 in wartime conditions! (when this simulation is set) Agreed that all of the destroyers actually being in one fleet is unlikely, even in 2025 its more likely to be 2 45s maybe 2-3 type 23 and a new type 26 IF it were rushed through massively......

[@grimreapers]

Yeh, I knew Russia was going to struggle in the air so I reduced UK down to 24 to give reds a bit more of a chance.

[@gregs7562]

We'll not have 36 JSF on a QE class ever unless we have a USMC compliment onboard too. Likewise its doubtful We'll ever get 6 T45 together. Hence on QWLS world tour she had 2 T45, 1 Arleigh Burke & a Dutch airdefence frigate with her.

[@Rednax42]

Great SIM. Well done by all involved (both live, and BTS). It does seem the actions of human players can tip the balance significantly, particularly taking out ASMs. However, I realize you guys want to have fun!

[@ricardosmythe2548]

The Russian carrier can not field as many fighters as the QE class. QE class is considerably larger and better laid out with considerably smaller fighter jets

[@MrTmax74]

Wow, this was amazing. Thanks for all your hard work and time you put into it. I have to admit, I was pretty nervous there for a while. But now I feel a little stressed out about our superiority at sea. But I trust that the powers that be know what they’re doing out there.

[@nath9091]

The US seems to be 5 to 10 years ahead of current day in terms of advanced missile inventories. Aim260 and LRASM seem new enough (Last 2 or 3 years) that they wouldn't have enough to deploy significant numbers in a conflict and that's if they're actually in service yet. The UK also may not be able to deploy 24 F35BS as that's nearly our entire number. Edit: also doesn't make sense that the Red side doesn't appear to have any SAMs capable of targeting AShMs?

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@Duane - I definitely agree, the U.S. Navy would also be using a lot of ADM-160 MALDs to both deceive and eat up a lot of the adversary’s defensive missiles. The price difference compared to a LRASM is a huge difference too. I asked Cap to pass on to CH to make a mod for the ADM-160; it would have an invaluable spot in anti-shipping and SEAD missions.

[@Lew_in_Renton]

Would be interesting to see what F-18G Growlers would do against some of these radar guided missiles coming in.