203 - The Vanishing of Peggy Reaves Mock

[@sheelfjohnson]

It's good to hear your voice again, and I hope you are well. I get the feeling people kind of know what happened to Peggy but don't want to talk 😔.

[@nancyknight4762]

Well, it could have been several ways but probably no one really knows except her and murder and God~!

[@melyndagAZ]

Glad you're back I've missed your work!!! Thanks for all you put in to your channel!

[@sheilahardison7673]

Car located less than a mile away from club but it takes nearly six months to find it??? UNACCEPTABLE!! RIP PEGGY

[@marklittler784]

Strange with everyone having gun battles over parking spaces.

[@marklittler784]

Surely it looks like her car was originally concealed from sight for some time only then was it relocated to that parking space.

[@PatrickFDolan]

It was moved there at a later date.

[@PatrickFDolan]

@@marklittler784 I was around in the early 90s. Gun battles period were quite rare then. At least where I lived.

[@nancyknight4762]

@@PatrickFDolan It was large complex at that time and only kids lived there and partied there all weekend and the cars from here (Young People) just road around and around threw connecting roads to see who was partying. Only someone from this area or knowledge of the complex would know no one would notice a car parked there.

[@visassess8607]

It's just terrifying how people can disappear like this. She was at a popular nightclub on Christmas where she drove her car yet. You'd think plenty of people would've seen her.

[@ChrisAndCats]

I've watched some lot of Steve Stockton videos about people missing in the wilderness. I can see how it happens there without them being found, but in an urban setting, with people around, where there should be camera footage, witnesses or some trace is odd.

[@thisisme3238]

With it being Christmas, I can see how no one would remember that much about it. During the holiday season, people in general, tend to get "caught up" in their own friends and family...without really paying much attention to their surroundings. After all, it is the holiday season. I'm not saying this is right, but it's just what people do...Hope she is found so that her family can get closure. 🙏 RIP PEGGY 🙏

[@Truecrimediva1]

I suspect the woman who wrote the letter knew about what happened and she was murdered by the person who murdered Peggy to shut her up from telling who he is and what he did.

[@marklittler784]

Yeah friend family colleague or acquaintance somewhere along her life.

[@visassess8607]

Two people confessed to that murder and there doesn't seem to be any link between them and Peggy.

[@danjohnson887]

I agree and that connection could and should be investigated to finally solve this.

[@Raminakai]

The biggest link is that she wrote a letter about the fate of Peggy. That is a connection that is not easy to explain.

[@1972dsrai]

I would still like to know more about the guy who was the last person to have been with her and wonder why his name has never been disclosed. We're going by one other person who states she saw Peggy after he dropped her back off, they could be mistaken. Has this guy ever been charged with any serious crimes since or before, there are so many questions we'll never get an answer to.

[@visassess8607]

With how serious the police seem to have investigated her case, I personally think he was telling the truth. Sure, if the cops were incompetent or corrupt then it would make more sense that they just let the guy go but that doesn't seem like the case to me.

[@nancyknight4762]

@perfect_imperfection Know the man who brought her from 1st bar to 2nd bar (Chestnut Station), He was staying for only a small window of time due to working out of town and needing to leave early to pack, to leave the next day for out-of-town trip to the area he would have to be in able to work the day after that day. What is for sure he told a reliable long time friend of mine on this very night when she ask him if he brought Peggy to the bar (for she had worked at the first bar as Peggy server), and had left when it closed and come over to 2nd bar. She asked him did you bring Peggy? He said yes, but have informed her that unless she leaves in just a few minutes she will need to obtain another way back to her car. He confirmed with my friend the server after she went missing that he did not take her back to her car which was parked at the first bar. So who took her back or if he lied and did take her back do not know. Personally grew up with him but would he lie, honestly do not know. My friend the server actually started paying for Peggy's beers at the 1st bar when she ran out of money and did not want to go to her car to get her money out of her purse in the trunk of her vehicle. Peggy was not a careless person but too friendly and kinda simple minded to people but well versed on other things in life. (her family is all dead) father died right before she vanished then mother and only sister passed about 3 years ago.

[@ABCD.4273]

Welcome back! Love your work. Your hard work and effort to research the cases is evident while listening to each story.

[@Raminakai]

You do a great job. I am often left with more questions than answers. Maybe you could take the highest liked questions from your audience and make a quick update answering them? I enjoy reading the comments, often little things I never thought of. God bless everyone! Some of these missing cases could be people in a witness protection. Their family has to keep up the missing status.

[@sillygirl22]

Good Morning! Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving/weekend!

[@tinathompson6796]

Good morning! 😃

[@GoldieLoqs]

I really enjoy listening to your channel! The time you put into each video and the detail makes a big difference. Have you heard of the *Timothy Molnar* case? Not many crime channels have covered his case. It's a puzzling one.

[@kimallen9130]

My heart always breaks for the victims and equally for the families

[@ISeeWhatYouDidThere]

You do a great job putting your videos together, and i think you do well presenting these cases. I've seen all of your videos, and hope you never stop creating. ❤️

[@HighLordBlazeReborn]

What a weird case. The random bits of evidence scattered around and the completely cleaned car are weird enough, but then the Lumpkin letter... What are the chances that this same person would be murdered?

[@jonmeans2637]

I live in Southside , I remember when i was A kid in the early 80's the mansion was still there, you could drive up and see it. Now its impossible to even find where it was at

[@unarammer2003]

I live in Marshall Co and did in 92..I don't remember hearing about this case.. Good job

[@barbm6829]

I miss you,. I wait and wait. I have to find another place to hear your podcasts.

[@skelter1153]

He doesn't care about you unless you "donate" money to his channel.

[@ISeeWhatYouDidThere]

@@skelter1153 it's pretty weird and sketchy that you keep commenting this same thing. Get a life, dude.

[@loredanadincu4300]

Spotify

[@davidwelch4841]

With all the vanished and missing people you and others have covered; how in the world can so many human beings disappear without a trace? It takes a lot of effort to completely dispose of a human corpse.

[@nicholashodges201]

Because the simple truth is that most of them disappear themselves for various reasons, or they just take off w/o telling anyone b/c they don't think anyone will notice or care if they do notice.

[@NightOwl701]

The world is a big place and there are a lot of places to hide someone.

[@skelter1153]

He's not going to respond to your question unless you "donate" money to his channel.

[@mimimccann3781]

@@skelter1153 Rude! I do believe that it was asked in a general direction. Anyone could answer! If you don’t like the channel then it’s easy….. Swipe left and move on. In a world where you can be anything…. Be nice! It’s free! Won’t cost you a dime. Jeezz

[@marklittler784]

Not really so many ways to dispose of a body including local dump, many do generally go missing in waterways but usually with their cars if a car disappeared at the same time.

[@dellahicks7231]

For some reason the fact her vehicle was wiped clean, is sticking out like a sore thumb to me, and I'm not sure why. It screams LE involvement, or an individual that has been down this road before. I always find it sad when family members, especially parents never receive the answers they are seeking, because they pass away before the case is ever solved. In this case, both Peggy's mother and sister, her strongest advocates are no longer with us. I hate to say "Never", however this is one case where it may apply unfortunately.

[@ThePuschkin1986]

I find it curious how 'leaving fingerprints on a crime scene will lead police right to your door' is knowledge that only law enforcement officers and experienced criminals would have.

[@itallia666]

All the way through this case ive just felt there was something "Off" about it! Call it female intuition or gut instinct, but many things dont sit right! The way the boots, panties & bag were scattered about but NOT hidden, as if these items were placed there but i do not think any foul play went on in that area! If her car was cleaned down to such an extreme degree by a supposed perpetrator, why would he have been so sloppy as to leave her personal items somewhere where they'd be easily found! That does NOT make sense. The way the narrative is played out, it is " suggesting" she was selling her favours but i don't believe this! The police seem to have jumped onto this case pretty quickly & if what ive heard about L.E. being Selective about who they investigate quickly, then the investigation being taken asap, if she was a known seller of favours doesnt compute. My gut feeling is someone in L.E. was involved SOMEWHERE in this case. Such a lack of clues or evidence is odd, together with a whip clean car, seemingly abandoned for months on end outside an apartment complex with no one asking questions is strange too. Then in an area where things can be done in relative secrecy at the derelict old club house, her boots panties & bag are just lying about in the open ??? Placing her underwear there is vertually indicating she was selling herself to men! Trying to send out the message she took men there selling sexual favours for money & she picked up the wrong guy, who threw her personal items about, but took her car back to town & cleaned any evidence from it, as if they were CSI ! Wasnt the guy who she left with initially for a short time in HIS car, not questioned as to what transpired between them? He wouldn't have needed to clean out her car if they used his car for their assignation! What if she was blackmailing someone? Surely someone close to her would know if she was. This other woman, the letter writer, why wasnt she brought in for questioning? That police dept seem either inept or indifferent or involved! Whatever she knew, she seems to have sent her info to that L.E. dept! Did they keep other info secret & played the long game & bumped her off after a good while so as not to be seen as connected to her murder?? This stinks to high heaven in my estimation! Vital evidence thrown about casually, wanting it found, A " victims" car standing undiscovered for months after her disappearance & has been Cleaned with a forensic toothbrush so thoroughly? No follow ups, no results of interviews, no official list of suspects... C'mon its Christmas Day evening in a small town... how many drifters & casual visitors are going to be waiting to snatch a victim??? The police either were directly involved or know who & why this lady vanished! Theres no other reasonable explanation. I doubt it would be taken so lightly in todays L.E. investigations ( hopefully) the media & internet would be all over it & forensic techniques are much more advanced than way back then! I always say, The Truth Will Out! Lets hope so in this case in the not too distant future. Thanks for this video Regards 🇬🇧👧

[@marklittler784]

Strange night for anyone to be going out can't imagine there would be many people out, a night when you would remember someone went out, you would have expected someone to be suspicious of the one responsible.

[@nozoto]

Yes, the location area where the purse was found suggests it was an impulse murder from a drifter, but a drifter leaving sloppily evidences behind isn't meticulous to the point he hides a car so well and cleans up everything. It doesn't add up. This case really gives the impression that somebody organized a coverup, only showing red herrings. Even the somewhat contradictory statements in the press and the lack of disclosure when it comes to Ms. Mock's backstory are highly fishy. For all we know, she knew a terrible secret, a terrible secret compelling many powerful figures of the county to plot her death...

[@HighLordBlazeReborn]

the letter writer was dead by the time the police got the letter...

[@wendy038]

Thanks

[@wendy038]

Really missed your podcasts Steven. Your channel is my fave 💓 Thanks for highlighting these victims cases.

[@rm2399]

not to make light of this case, I find it ironic that the mother Naomi lived in Boaz. If anyone is familiar with the Old Testament story of Ruth this will make sense.

[@CL-we8tn]

Thank you so much for the video.

[@realislandwoman2225]

Love your videos and attention to detail. You are very detailed and informative and tell everything all the way to what lead up to the situation. I appreciate your content. You are one of a kind and your research is impeccable and precise. Thank you for all you do.

[@tinahines1611]

I live 1 mile from Boaz,Al. and let me tell you Boaz police station is a joke and the cops are not at all professional. And I also know Kathy Hunt it's a small world!!

[@jessiefrye3045]

My Dad worked in Albertville, and my Parents lived in Fyffe. It's a very small world.

[@tinahines1611]

Yes it is a small world. I live in Albertville and I haven't seen Kathy in forever!! And Boaz police and the court sucks and they are liars!!

[@daniellemoss5393]

Good Morning! :)

[@ChicagoScorpion]

Just clicked and gonna start watching.

[@cherrycoke6253]

Cant stand it when people get written off as likely dead, when they go missing. That means that the person has been half given up on. Hate to think that Id be written off as dead, when Im actually alive somewhere. People do get found alive, even years later. Potentially traumatised by god knows what, but alive.

[@BRP]

6:00 The let the fire 🔥 burn cuz they was all in on the cover up 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@OriginalPrincess32]

The witness that claimed to see Peggy Mock after she was dropped off, may be the same woman who was sick ever since Peggy went missing. She was probably forced to be an alibi but she knew the truth. The last guy did it most likely

[@jesseedwards3352]

Going too bars are a wast of time and a waste of money won't realize it till folks get older

[@Raminakai]

Why not stay home with her Momma? Or have her friends come over to their home? Would have been safer.

[@TheXmeimei]

Lessons learned, don't go to bars, nothing good ever comes out of it. You end up either drunk sleeping with ugly people, or murdered.

[@cadillacdeville5828]

Good morning ☀️

[@DavidJohnson-xt9kg]

I think you made a mistake on one girls name if I remember correctly it was Lisa fry not dry she worked at Goldkist chicken plant in Boaz

[@nicholashodges201]

Willing to bet it was someone with recent LEO experience. "They found the car, but no useful evidence". It's one thing for the car to be wiped of fingerprints, but by the time her car was found vacuuming the upholstery & carpet with a specially filtered vacuum had quietly become standard practice. If they found NO FIBERS, then that means whoever left the car knew enough to fully detail the car. The fiber test didn't become common knowledge until a little later when it was used to match rabbit fur from a missing child's coat

[@thorawilson6253]

Too many lost, gone, missing, killed in America. Too, too many.we must have an inordinate number of murderers in America. We must always say something if we see something and not be so casual in our personal associations.

[@Tsumami__]

Most murders in this country are the result of domestic violence. What we have an issue with here is not only rampant domestic violence, but the toxic masculinity that’s the basis of it.

[@avalonpark1574]

Just like recently the young woman in Mexico, people going off partying with friends sometimes does not end well.

[@unknownkingdom]

Partying is a human. Right

[@Raminakai]

It may be a human right. But is it wise? 🤔 It might end up a human wronged..females drunk around strangers, place themselves in a very vulnerable position. Not victim blaming, just speculating on what choices humans can make to increase their chance of not becoming a victim.

[@daynasafranek7807]

There is a real estate agent named the same thing in Florida that looks just like her. Her photo is online and you can look and compare to the photo here. Looks just like her hiding in plain sight.

[@missm1548]

Feels like she has a really different nose

[@meredithisme3752]

It highlights how unsafe America is doesn't it

[@Tsumami__]

It’s pretty obvious the person who needs to be reinvestigated is the man she was seen leaving the bar with. Just based on the possessions of hers that were found and the way they were found, an attempted sexual assault and homicide occurred. I’m guessing they just didn’t want to move forward with charges because they never located her remains. Shame. I’m glad prosecutors in this day and age are starting to bypass the misinterpretation of corpus delecti and are using the extended absence of a person to actually bolster the case to prove homicide.

[@Somegirl811]

They don't have to wipe down every inch of the car. They just have to wipe off the door handles, the steering wheel, gear shifter, rear view, and seat adjuster. And a drive-through car wash would make it very easy.

[@Tsumami__]

Investigators check more places than just those spots, if they’re actually going to bother to examine a vehicle to begin with, even in 1992.

[@dormantpixi2628]

I do not know anything about the people involved in this story, but, as to your not being able to find information for Alabama, my Mom's family is from Etowah and Decatur Counties. I have complained for *years* about the lack of genealogy information available for that area. My Dad is from southern Georgia and there is almost too much infromation available. The contrast is just unbelievable. Get it together, ALABAMA!

[@bry160701]

thoughts ?

[@donnablack6280]

I would be interested to know who Ms Lumpkin was married to and/or where she worked. I'd also like to add that despite this being a holiday night with people out partying, whoever did this was sober enough to drive at least one vehicle without fear of being pulled over.

[@nancyknight4762]

Back then law hardly ever pulled anyone over. Ms Lumpkins name was Johnnie Kay Lumpkin and was a known drug user. Peggy was not a drug person and worked at a sewing factory and lived with her little old mother. My opinion Peggy ran with wrong crowd. Ms. Lumpkin might have known somrthing however, her murder probably was not related to Peggy's.

[@marklittler784]

Remember folks some comments and replies show on "newest" but not on "top" it's a right pain I find

[@sheilad6237]

A Jane Doe in Texas?

[@carlsmith4070]

When was that fire at the mountain top mansion? Was it before or after she disappeared?

[@marklittler784]

Yeah there's been random murderers that only carried out the crime if the opportunity arised usually on the rare occasion that they were under the influence of alcohol due to work commitments and the need to keep their licence consequently these people are difficult to discover because their crimes are few and far between, even when caught they're not connected to the other crimes.

[@marklittler784]

I'd certainly be looking at anyone with visible injuries scratches or bruises boxing day not a thing you would forget.

[@marklittler784]

Doubt Peggy would be going to hook up Christmas night just to celebrate with friends sound's more like it.

[@dorothyminor7581]

Did anyone see her in the Warhorse after the mystery man dropped her off?

[@Tsumami__]

Apparently only one person alleges they saw her near the warhorse after this alleged drop off time, but some other people said they thought they saw her back at the first bar at that same time. I think these people were drinking and are mistaken, and that no one saw her after she was seen leaving with this guy.

[@Somegirl811]

There is a town called Jacksonville in Texas. I wonder if that was a mustake and they meant Jacksonville, Texas.

[@tchm316]

can't find number 202?

[@jomama5186]

🧡🙏

[@CDN1975]

It is a small mercy she never had children. It is bad enough her mother and sister had to live through her disappearance.

[@michaelcavalier4598]

Give the ppl what they want more new trace evidence

[@marklittler784]

Murderer might even live in that apartment block lol

[@Joanla1954]

I have zero doubts that the dream Peggy's mother had was indeed from the Lord. Now all 4 of them walk the streets of gold. Safe and secure from all alarm!

[@williammorris3303]

I cant help but wonder how many beautiful missing women ended up in basements permanently for private use

[@Tsumami__]

Yeah you should probably be on an FBI watchlist.

[@williammorris3303]

@ if I had to guess I already am

[@georgenelawson9917]

📬yo📊

[@almostadorno]

However

[@compservink]

I’d watch this but I know you will just drone on and on

[@Tsumami__]

Girl you spent how many hours of your life commenting on multiple videos from this channel but you claim you can’t stand it?

[@marklittler784]

The reason for being responsible for the disappearance of a 37yr old is surely pretty limited, sexual, financial or material like her car. Sexual, you would expect it to be someone around her age or a little older, I reckon she was killed by someone that panicked caught stealing or being exposed for a minor sexual assault.

[@antonglas7488]

My theory is this: On the night in question Peggy meets a guy at the bar. After chatting and having several drinks Peggy takes the guy in her car to a quite area to make out. While parked with the guy she removes her boots, Jeans and underwear. No sex takes place but there is kissing and fondling hence why no bodily fluids are found. While doing the deed the man kills Peggy and places her body in the boot of the car. He takes the body in Peggy`s car and disposes of her. Later the man cleans the car and abandons the vehicle at that housing complex. He throws Peggy`s purse, boots, Jeans and underwear out of the car. I believe the woman who wrote the letter knew the murderer and helped the man cover up. This is a plausible explanation.

[@donicaburley9163]

This is supremely hilarious

[@judithvasiiiyeva9484]

Why are you so certain that she was killed?

[@Tsumami__]

Jeez, I don’t know, Judith, do you think it’s normal for a woman to go out to club and disappear leaving her car, purse, shoes, UNDERWEAR, and all possessions she had behind? 🙄

[@michiganjfrog366]

My biggest cringe in life, I'm not sure why... Is the mispronunciation of the word jewelry. I can't even continue listening.

[@crm208]

Mr. Frog what are you croaking about 😄

[@lindablissitt5256]

Same.

[@HorrorMetalMaestroRedrusty66]

With out the youtube revenue and the 94k users subbed to you whom you've never left a channel comment like, reply comment, pinned comment, or even thanked all your YT subs and viewers in even ONE of your videos. Just a push to IG, Musk-itter and FB, Your show wouldn't exist either I'm sure. Just something I was alerted to recently and after going back through the catalog was shocked to find out is true, being a long time viewer I'd never noticed. What's up with that? I mean, at time of writing, 93.3k subs, 4.8K views in 18 hours, and 55 comments. Nice click revenue there buddy, probably deserve a nod that they EXIST by you, at least one would think? Nahh, not for Lowly "KZbin" plebe viewers right...lol. Shady Rude Ways dude. One wonders if all these people commenting know that you've never read a word any of them have ever said?...I know I didn't know that until recently....lmao

[@IamtheLunchlady]

He makes FREE videos for people to view. Why does he have to comment to people too? If I feel like commenting I'm not expecting the youtuber to like my comment or comment back, if they do, cool. It's very time consuming to go through all the comments and respond. Maybe he has other jobs. If you dont like his videos you dont have to watch them?

[@HorrorMetalMaestroRedrusty66]

@@IamtheLunchlady blah blah blah

[@loredanadincu4300]

@@HorrorMetalMaestroRedrusty66 your comis blah , blah , blah too sweety

[@ellamarsters8791]

Who hurt you?

[@loredanadincu4300]

@@ellamarsters8791 who introduced you in the talk. You just like attention or something.

[@christinegatto7426]

Could she have been trafficked?

[@ellamarsters8791]

Highly unlikely, given her age.