211. Spirit

[@tarunpratap8736]

Why can't more people talk like The Grade Cricketer? They mention both points, accepting the turbulent past of colonialism. Just a wonderful podcast, something you want to listen to again and again. the best there is! beautiful, intellectual, engrossing, socially aware, and cricketingly remarkable stuff from these two.

[@Ar-ok1rg]

Sorry, colonialism or other history should not be brought into cricket. Saying this even after fully supporting what Deepti did.

[@dashmeetsingh9679]

Have you ever had a look on ECC youtube channel. In a test where Rohit scored a century, they were celebrating a English bowler who took mere 2 wickets. Obviously had to change heading after trolling started. A cricketing team that lost a test match, because Bumrah, bowled bouncers to Anderson. That scarred them so much that their absolute legend conceeded 35 runs in an over, just for some sweet revenge. You are expecting that ECC to be more "intellectual" (Its not like BCCI is all roses)

[@tarunpratap8736]

@@Ar-ok1rg Why should it not be? It would be till there are traces of colonialism. why do you think there are questions on the morality of an Asian but not English. why did the Yorkshire thing happen last year if not for colonialism? The history of this beautiful game is colonial. they call it mankad with a negative connotation because of it only.

[@tarunpratap8736]

@@dashmeetsingh9679 Not expecting ECB to be anything. yes, I agree BCCI is a piece of shit too. My point is about other podcasts controlling the intellectual narrative in the world of cricket such as final word, TMS, Wisden

[@Ar-ok1rg]

@@tarunpratap8736 and why is all this related to a runout? Don't push some kind of oppression bullshit to a runout. We have enough of oppression olympics going on anyway in the world. This doesn't make sense in this instance.

[@zigster1298]

Came for the Mancad discussion, stayed for the balanced sociological debate

[@raajorsighosh1682]

Mankad*

[@PawanRao007]

Mankad.... it's a name dum8fk

[@zigster1298]

@@raajorsighosh1682 Ok, noted.

[@siddharthsthalekar5557]

S J Perry is a gift we must treasure :)

[@ajeshtrivedi5084]

2 men did a whole debate thinking it was a T20 game, absolute legends😂

[@hardikparikh8751]

Exactly😂😂😂

[@born_for_drama]

Well done Deepti. If a bowler has her foot just a centimetre in front of the crease it is given as a no ball, then the batter should also remain behind the line. Laws are laws .

[@dlbhardwaj8735]

There are rules and you do not follow them and then you start crying hahahaha 😂 🤣 😆 🙃

[@turning_point96]

@@dlbhardwaj8735 There is no rules in cricket. It's the bloody laws. Laws are constant and applicable to all equally until it is proven wrong or revoked completely.

[@winstonwithay1980]

Imagine comparing an extra run penalty for a no ball to the loss of a wicket.

[@ImTheShrey]

@@winstonwithay1980 imagine that extra run free hit that can change the game right on its head.

[@oortclouddomicile]

Such a nuanced argument! You are amazing!

[@27varunable]

I think the point of "Just stay in your crease" being vapid is a good one. I don't think it needs to be either-or. I think of it as a risk-reward play at the end of the day. You have a similar mechanic in Baseball as well. Players can try to steal a base by standing a few steps out of the plate. But they have to be ready to jump back, in case the pitcher catches them unaware. It's a pretty important strategic element of the game. This is, in essence, the same thing. If a non-striker wants that advantage of a few extra steps (reward), then there better be a risk associated with it. The same way if a striker wants to reap the benefits of standing outside the crease, they better be willing to face the consequences (stumping). There HAS to be a potential consequence associated with stepping out of your crease because the batters ARE gaining an advantage. Perhaps not a ton, if only done once. But over the course of 5-6 overs of consistently stepping out of your crease, it might result in 3-4 extra runs. That's significant. Why not embrace this aspect, and make it a strategic part of the game? For ex, you mentioned fast bowlers being less likely to affect this kind of a wicket. So? Fast bowlers also don't get people stumped. That could be a good time for the non-striker to steal a few inches by stepping out. If they do it with spinners, they better study the bowler really well. The same way, fast bowlers can work on hiding their intent on a particular delivery to catch over-stepping non-strikers unaware. Over time, both forces will balance themselves out, and it could become a pretty normal, tactical element of the game. Just like throwing a wide to induce a stumping. Knowing what that consequence is (as every cricketer knows), you can't complain about it after the fact. Yes, it was an anti-climactic end. But that's not enough of a reason to claim "unfair play", or call a player's character in to question. Every sport has anti-climactic ends. The whole argument is whether being "out" is the appropriate consequence for an over-stepping non-striker, or whether it should be something less serious (negative runs as a few folks have suggested). That can be debated. But as long as everyone is aware of the current rules, it does not make sense to argue whether it's within the "spirit of the game". For me, edging and walking is part of the "spirit" of the game. Clearly, not a lot of people do it. There will always be ideological differences with something as subjective as "spirit". If it's a significant enough problem, and enough people agree, then change the rules.

[@jainnehul]

Could you be more detailed? Thanks xD

[@julianbyas]

You’ve made some very valid and articulate points. Glad I took the time to read 👍

[@moyukhbagchi6624]

Look at this guy, with his cogent and sensible views.

[@kg19871]

100% agree. I'd go to the extent of saying that it's against the spirit of the game for the bowler to not execute a runout (mankad). Imagine a wk not stumping cz they believe it's against the spirit of the game!

[@iamdabest123]

I was watching this video and then my neighbour came and we watched it together. He said that this video changed his life and touched his heart. I then went and rented a projector in a big field and all my villagers watched it and it changed their lives too. We all are so grateful. Thank You for this video….

[@BATMAN-rq5jz]

What a SUPERB Opening BOOOOISSSS!😂😂😂

[@maxclark3188]

that segment on bradman was probably the hardest ive laughed in a good while. great episode boys

[@maulikdesai7849]

Culture war ... " Steve Waugh " 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@yashxktr]

as our captain said we'll do it again if needed

[@jogreeen]

It's the only way you are going to win any World Cups or Gold medals. 🤣

[@Mishar98]

@@jogreeen Yaa if you think that way its your opinion but as a indian i think our indian team done nothing wrong...coz eng win 2019 world Cup by boundry base why we not 😆 england invent the game but dosn't follow the rule.. shame shame😂

[@Mishar98]

@@jogreeen actually we won 3 world cup 🔥🔥🔥

[@UnknownIntelGatherer]

@@jogreeen Well we don't need to cheat so much just think we won 2 WC without cheating but look at you won 1st Wc by cheating and second thing is check the rules I think it will prove and if not why did the 3rd Umpire gave it out well go and ask him

[@Cuzko_]

Do you play for India do ya buddy?

[@Youdoyouyeah]

Just adding to the well rounded discussion. Well done Pezz and Higgos. When I was growing up in the mid 90s and 2000s playing in the gullies/streets of India playing cricket… running out the Non striker was seen as an act of cunning and deception. A skill. The non striker was seen as a fool for leaving his crease. This, to my knowledge, larger remains the case today. It’s part of the culture. We are as text book as it gets as a cricketing fraternity. I mean Tendulkar is the embodiment of text book. Dravid in defence. Kohli in those delicious cover drives. Dhoni and Sehwag the opposite hence why they captivated. Point is… we love cricket to the letter. We also love all its different expressions. We truly do love it. This is why… “The Mankad” is seen as an acceptable form of outwitting your opponent. We hate the cheats. But we do celebrate all who fit within the rules of the game. This is who we are. When the switch hit happened… I remember some western purists huffing and puffing. Debating the legalities of it. I remember a celebration of the stroke across all playgrounds. It expanded our imaginations. It was magical. Traditions are made and remade all the time. Expressions of cricket are ever expanding. Outlaw running out the non-striker and you’ll see it disappear. Till then… it belongs in the game just as a batsman’s stroke hits some fielder’s boot and pops up for a catch.

[@cyurisich]

Also Higgins monologue around 21:00 was absolutely bang on

[@adriangallyot4193]

Yup absolutely spot on!

[@rohitahlawat1235]

@@adriangallyot4193 starts at 20:00

[@BT30191]

As an economist I never thought SROI would turn up on the TGC. Would love to do a valuation for your net benefits ladss

[@malikfarhan7303]

listening to this is absolute gold after the "bairstow dismissal".. how the tables have turned!!

[@jacobcarter3546]

I don’t think mankads are equivalent to Carey’s stumping but it is interesting. The younger generation in Australia definitely view the game differently to previous generations. No one in my team (22-24yos) would have a problem with a mankad.(in limited overs cricket at least.) I wonder if India is starting to have a bigger influence in Australian cricket. And if that influence will erode some of the ideas installed by England onto Australian cricket.

[@amansparekh]

@@jacobcarter3546I think a little bit of the hypocrisy is 9:30 ‘I like the stay in yout crease nonces’; and now after bairstow all Aussies (including tgc) say ‘just stay in your crease’

[@JAClerMont]

It's called a run out

[@peterdinklage3856]

During WC 2019, we all saw how it went four, hitting stokes bat during running between the wickets and new zealand happily accepted the decision of umpire. Where was the sportsman spirit back then for england ?

[@shikharsingh4662]

Precisely!

[@turning_point96]

Apt enough.

[@Daniel-mo4zu]

because england tried to take those runs off but it wasn’t allowed. here india actually had a choice to do what every other team does but decided to be special

[@Daniel-mo4zu]

all i’m saying is the 2 aren’t comparable. we can agree both aren’t gd for the game of cricket but in this situation england couldn’t actually do anything about it

[@turning_point96]

@@Daniel-mo4zu If Eng wanted they could have denied those runs... But they didn't. Afterall it's their 1st world cup 😂😂😂. Period.

[@adarsh7914]

I personally love playing Chapel cricket. Its fun when we get bored of overarm cricket

[@anilgs8280]

How easy to use the rule book to win a WORLD CUP and when somebody else uses the same rule book to take a wicket, it's not acceptable😅

[@MOON-yn8ec]

Very underrated comment... I wish they could have brought this up in their discussion... There are many flaws in the rules of game and teams get away with it....she followed the rules.. If that rule is hurting u, remove it... There is not even the talk of spirit here.. Spirit is important, however it also has to be parallel to the rules

[@Daniel-mo4zu]

this is irrelevant because england had no choice over the world cup (they asked to take off the 4 runs but this wasn’t allowed). but here deepti had the choice to be sporting coz it’s a mutual agreement not to mankad and she broke that

[@oortclouddomicile]

@@Daniel-mo4zu I don't expect these jingoistic idiots to understand logical arguments.

[@Raiman00]

@@Daniel-mo4zu what mutual agreement where it is written not do use mankad it’s a law get over it not a rule a law you understand and she did warn her like hundred Time I have always supported this even when it was against my team stop crying

[@joshg9330]

The difference is intent. Ben Stokes didn’t deliberately stick out his bat. Deepti Sharma, deliberately chose to do that

[@abhisheksalvi7503]

I think Mankad makes only those people uncomfortable who were grounded my their Dads for being out beyond their 8 pm curfew time!🤷‍♂️

[@atifahmad5000]

I was so waiting for it ,it's brilliant 😂.It was too toxic to get involved on twitter,this was the best way to experience it 🔥

[@navneetnarayan4830]

Rahane sent one of his players back to the dressing room because he misbehaved in the field. Probably the type of news you'd like!!! #AskTGC

[@vatsaltewari]

hey Navneet, if I recall correctly they did address that in slightest - in the last T20 analysis (IND v AUS)...there was a joke somewhere in there

[@sriramiyer4612]

8:57 'It'll go court' Last time this happened, the opposing parties ended up playing for the same IPL side. So, perhaps not a bad thing considering the Women's IPL coming up

[@SaurabhG005]

You guys should do standup comedy. Feel envious of you guys for having such good content delivery and sense of humor. Especially for such serious topic like Spirit of game. Big Fan.

[@Amit31]

You guys got my laugh and like within the first 2 minutes. Well done.

[@arihantsinghrathod6167]

Putting your point forward without insulting the opposite party in this which is 50% or more of your audience is a job well done. That is why I love this and the content.

[@zigster1298]

Why was ‘I don’t have any more information that that’ such a bar!? Amazing track. The Last Suckle almost made me choke on my breakfast, but so great to hear a track.

[@Sarah_0112]

Pezz, love the way you thought widely and deeply about what alternatives to a Mankad can be to discourage the non striker from leaving the crease prematurely, but when someone mentions a 5 run penalty, I am reminded instantly of Darrell Hair and Pakistan (PakvEng in Eng) when we got a 5 run penalty for supposed ball tampering (an ICC investigation revealed zero evidence or witnesses to that effect) but Pakistan was villainized for delaying to take the field in protest against Hair's decision. Trusting umpires to have an eye on everything is a bit fraught in my opinion. Let the bowlers run out the non striker (or not). Let the non striker stay in their crease (or not).

[@ritwikpattnayak3756]

Absolute top class discussions fellas . Extremely brilliant and intelligent content 👍🏻

[@_KD_0960]

You guys really covered all the possible aspects of this ongoing debate. Well done guys🙌🏻

[@SumitSingh-sw3gf]

It was a 50 over game. just saying 👍

[@samiranbanerjee467]

Great indepth discussion boys!! Can't agree more with the choice between spirit and rules.

[@vatsalagarwal4055]

Legitimise mankad, make it like steals in baseball when the pitcher has to keep an eye on the player on base as well as the batter. Adds another dimension of chaos to T20

[@harifederer]

But Mankads are legitimate. The ‘spirit’ argument is non sensical.

[@aishwarygaonkar4937]

And also stop calling it Mankad. Just call it a normal runout. Or if you gonna name it after someone, call it 'Barkering'. Coz the first recorded non-striker runouts were by an "English' cricketer named Barker in First class.

[@ThePreityEffect]

The backdrop of colonialism looms in the picture. It played a part most definItely. Well done guys for bringing these complex issues up.No English player or fan would. It is India's moment and they are ready to seize it.

[@Sardar_Khan69]

Charlie dean stepped out of crease 72 times before she was ran out by the deepti sharma at non striker's end and it's not a mankad.. Its a run out. Everything else is fine with you two ✌️

[@AmitYadav-yo5ce]

The law was made cause the law makers and many other acknowledges that it's the non-strikers who are taking the unfair advantage. It's simple as that.

[@shridhar2387]

Wasn't dean cheating repetitively by leaving the crease before the bowl was bowled. How is that in the spirit of the game? This exactly like carrying a sandpaper to the field to tamper the ball and blame the cameraman for catching u red-handed.

[@davesmith3289]

"Wasn't dean cheating repetitively by leaving the crease before the bowl was bowled" No, not cheating at all. Non-striker must be in ground when bowler begins run-up, once run up has started they can leave their ground, but if they do they are liable to get run out.

[@TheKmanKVSC]

One of the most anticipated episode for me.

[@ThePreityEffect]

Great work boys! Your finest episode.

[@jitmanyukohli2887]

Your Intro!!!😍😍😍😍, its beautiful. we should get your commentary in WC matches.

[@kdasbiswas]

“For the life of me, I can’t understand why [the press] questioned his sportsmanship. The laws of cricket make it quite clear that the non-striker must keep within his ground until the ball has been delivered. If not, why is the provision there which enables the bowler to run him out? By backing up too far or too early, the non-striker is very obviously gaining an unfair advantage,”. - Sir Don Brahman, in his book “Farewell to cricket”.

[@TOP10-j6v2x]

This is freaking addictive 🥵😍🔥

[@a.i6141]

You got to see the bright side of this....... Women's cricket now has some spice in it......the viewers will increase 👍👍. Win win

[@kinshuksinghania4289]

That opening from Sam is actually the best account of Stuart Broad!!! Ever!!! Written or spoken!!

[@vivekkumar2177]

Diff tones, TGC vs Wisden Cricket on this Mankad Saga!

[@Backpackglobalvlogs]

Hahahaa 😂😂❤ what a start of your video amazing this is a commentary that I enjoyed so much better than live boring commentary on TV. Love from 🇮🇳🇳🇿

[@shaktiman11]

I don't agree with the suggestion that there should be run penalty instead of out. The point is how important is it to stay in the crease - when striker steps out he can be stumped out, when bowler steps out while bowling the striker will be not out even if he is bowled. So if the non- striker is out of the crease, why shouldn't he be out if the bowler can pull it off. Or let me reverse the scenario. If mankading isn't allowed, no-ball should just give an extra run but out should be out and stumping shouldn't be a form of out

[@Kairais0]

Indian century guys. 😋😋🤘

[@rajrk4431]

.....🤣🤣🤣 I think England should listen to the advice given in the Harry Potter film don't know which one it is but it states.. "Rules are rules potter"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lolz ..but you know guys it's a good thing for women's cricket at the end ..and a good good thing for women's IPL .. In India now people will be more much involved in women's cricket .. so it's a win-win situation for women's cricket ..

[@ma7ur97]

The five runs penalty is good Idea the only improvement i want is umpire giving that desion at the end of the over

[@adityajakki]

It doesn't matter if Deepti Sharma is bowling the ball. It is fine if she was just baiting or trapping Dean deliberately. In fact, it makes the wicket even better. Purely strategic.

[@lsophthalm]

Loved the discussion. It is "By the Law". But I guess it feels a little uncomfortable/uneasy because it isn't a "contest" for lack of a better word.. I would rather it be a penalty rather than a dismissal

[@davesmith3289]

The ball is live, the batter is out of their ground and the fielding side breaks the wicket with the ball. That's out.

[@gopaljigupta5158]

#asktgc Here's my take on the MANKAAD issue : Third Umpire already checks the no-ball. Lets have the 3rd umpire declare that as a SHORT RUN whenever a non-striker leaves the crease before the ball has left the bowler's hand and they complete a run. No need for a dismissal. Once this change is made, those non-strikers that are in a habit of leaving the crease early will end up costing their own team runs as it will be given as a SHORT RUN. Their own team will then have a talk with them to stop doing that. That's the best incentive for non-strikers to stay in the crease until the ball has been bowled. This way, non-strikers won't be able to get away with this as they do now because bowlers don't want to do this cause of the pressure and also fast bowlers can't do this. THAT SHOULD SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS SURROUNDING IT. NO MORE STIGMA, NO MORE PRESSURE OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK, NO MORE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. Also I think its better than 5 run penalty which will definitely be thought of as too extreme by many people. THOUGHTS ????????....................................................................................... Also I think 5 run penalty could solve another problem with cricket - that of limited reviews/referrals(DRS). If a side has no reviews left, they simply have to accept bad decisions as they lost the power to overturn them. So lets say each side gets limited no. of free DRS reviews - say 2 in ODI's. once you squander those, you have more reviews that you can take but if you get those wrong, other side gets 5 runs. THIS WAY, YOU CAN GRANT EACH TEAM WITH UNLIMITED REVIEWS BUT THEY HAVE INCENTIVE TO ONLY TAKE THEM WHEN THEY ARE REALLY SURE so as to not waste time by sending everything upstairs.

[@kushagramaheshwari2282]

No this implementation is very mild and will only delay the inevitable controversies in future where the non striker just wants to cross because he is the batter and striker is a bowler will misuse this. Currently where ICC is almost outlawing the practice of crossing this feels like a complete step in an opposition direction. Non striker runouts should be allowed doubled down with a short run penalty will stop this nonsense. What your rule allows almost a legal method to cross without losing a wicket because now the bowler cannot run him out and the batsman is free to take as many strides as he wishes. I agree that pacers are victims of this unfair advantage taken by non strikers, a penalty of 2 runs everytime a non striker is found outside before the release of the ball and also an opportunity to run him out if the bowlers get that would be a great deterrence.Non striker will not be penalised 2 runs if they lose their wicket or ball is not delivered. This will completely shift this responsibility from bowlers to umpires and get rid of that stigma. The rule I am suggesting will not only lose runs for the batting team and also lose his wicket and making it a Lose-Lose situation and non strikers staying inside, bowlers focussing on deliveries and some additional responsibility for 3rd umpires.

[@gopaljigupta5158]

@@kushagramaheshwari2282 I get your point. But maybe we can add a point to not let them cross if its given as a short run. If it's a short run, the original striker has to go back to face the next ball. As long as dismissal possibility is there, stigma will be there. See the issue is to remove stigma we have to remove the dismissal part of it and with my solution unless they complete the run, stepping out earlier will have no advantage.

[@kushagramaheshwari2282]

@@gopaljigupta5158 I understand that this is a convenient way to remove stigma but the thing you are doing this removing the method of dismissal only then there is no room for stigma but that was not the purpose, the mode of dismissal should exist and non strikers should learn to stay inside ( what a difficult thing to do in the first place😂😂😂 ). ICC has 2 options allow non strikers whatever they want to do or completely trample down on this kind of behaviour. Breaching the crease drawn has very bad consequences for the bowler and same standards should be held for the non striker. When a bowler gets a batter out on a no ball nobody says just give the batting team the extra run but the batter should be out, everyone accepts that bowler has to face the consequences for even just just being centimetres outside, why change those standards for nonstrikers.

[@gopaljigupta5158]

@@kushagramaheshwari2282 I have to disagree with you. I think the goal can be easily achieved even after removing the dismissal. Why I am keen on removing the dismissal and thus the stigma is because bowlers feel pressure everytime they mankad someone. Many bowlers just don't bother doing it because of it. ICC can't control people. As long as dismissal is there, people will be upset and bowlers will feel that pressure of not mankading as it's a sensitive issue. So just get rid of it. Now the problem is what to do when non striker leaves before the bowl has been bowled. Well you take away their advantage by not giving them the run and not letting them cross to the striker end. That would make leaving the crease before the delivery pointless. So noone would do it. And if they did, there will be consequences in terms of short run and not getting the strike which is the non striker's only goals. So They'll have to start their run from the crease after the bowl has left bowlers hand.

[@kushagramaheshwari2282]

@@gopaljigupta5158 I would disagree with removal of the option altogether, maybe with time bowlers would stop doing this altogether its for the bowling team to decide, because if you implement the rules you mentioned then why should other runouts be wickets and not one short run. Essentially the same principle is applied you are short of the crease at different times. More bowlers doing it with time will help other bowlers also do it and find it acceptable to do it, we have unnecessarily created a big problem which is completely avoidable if nonstriker stops. The rules created should restrict the non striker not the bowler in my opinion but I guess you want to be more diplomatic, I want to be more brutal bcoz I find this behaviour absolutely shocking.

[@monee2006]

Scamming your way to a wicket? priceless. Well done deputy sharma for such an a incredible display of courage and agility.

[@Bevan-z6b]

Is C. G can selected in t20 WC? Because If Warner and Green open in t20 WC 22 . I don't think Any team are able to beat Australia in t20 WC

[@Bevan-z6b]

Warner Finch(C) C Green /Mitch Marsh G Maxwell Tim David M. Wade(Wk) M. Stoinis P. Cummins M. Starc Adam Zampa Josh Hazelwood! I thought Ellis, Green deserve in squad.

[@cameron6861]

A lot of great points raised on the Mankad debate. As someone new to Cricket the stigma around the Mankad always surprised me. In baseball it is intrinsic to the game for the runner (non-striker) to try and take an advantage, and for the pitcher (bowler) to attempt to mitigate that advantage and get them out. In baseball we would refer to teams not using Mankad's as falling under the "Unwritten rules", its something that either team could do, but neither team will do. But now we are entering into an era where some teams and players still believe there is an unwritten rule not to Mankad, and others believe it no longer exists. The idea that a player needs to be warned allows to bridge that understanding between teams how they are interpreting this "unwritten rule". Which is why I find that element of the debate so interesting. Was Charlie warned? People are pointing towards the frequency of Charlie creeping out of her box as evidence that it was fair play and coming. However, I see this as possible evidence that she wasn't warned, and thus continued to do it, and also that Deepti should have performed the Mankad far earlier in the innings. The stigma around Mankad outs doesn't go away either when the team performing them does it as a last resort in a close match. If performing a Mankad for a wicket is something you are willing to do, shouldn't you look to do it at the earliest possible time? Like any other dismissal technique?

[@theblueshoewillgetyou43]

Higgo why do your eyes roll into the back of your head every time you say Lords?

[@nickguest6122]

I was at Lords on Saturday. Initial point was of pure frustration, poor form, no warning etc. Its an act of desperation and they were boo'd off. Looking back now, and seeing how frequently Dean was out of her crease, I can understand it. There was no obvious warning from the crowd's perspective. I agree with the guys, 5 run penalty would just cut it out immediately and at international level, it could be done be 3rd umpire. If it happens in village cricket, oh boy...

[@sushantmahajan1203]

#AskTGC If one is uncomfortable with getting a wicket without delivering a ball, then "timed out" also shouldn't be a thing, should it? Also, the spirit of the game should be limited to on and off field behavior and show of respect. But it shouldn't have anything to do with a particular mode of dismissal being valid or not.

[@rajivjalota3487]

99percent batsmen donot walk after nicking the ball and wait for umpire to given them is this in the spirit of the game

[@GeekXpert]

What if the non-striker is willing to pay the penalty to prevent the last wicket to fall - won’t that be manipulation too? That i am willing to score 15 instead of 10 - just give me the strike, i’ll be halfway down the wicket anyway - Here an OUT seems to be a better solution right?

[@myspace1876]

If Mankad is against the spirit of the game, then how the non striker running before the delivery is in spirit of game?

[@anirudhkumar2058]

It is no more a mankad and included in 'Runouts'

[@br-md2xm]

@@matthewhorning1852 never heard of it. Not mentioned in the rulebooks too

[@ishorts890]

@@matthewhorning1852 please ask to icc

[@MichaelScott94]

I'm Indian myself, but even I feel that this is a pretty nuanced issue. Something about winning via a mankad doesn't really sit well with me, but we didn't break any laws. So it's a strange zone. But you guys did a great job of discussing the nuances and presenting the valid arguments from both sides. Thanks guys.

[@kr__gaurav]

Guyz, i must tell you one thing. You are so involved in what you do and you do it just perfectly!! You showcase a nice perspective to issues and give rational views. Keep podcasting! Cheers mate!

[@arrmie10]

Thanks for the new ringtone BOIS. Already changed it. 👋🏻

[@barun09]

Easily the most mature discussion on this particular issue I have heard so far.

[@gunjankum]

You guys are the witty and intelligent at the same time.

[@user-ed9qp2qv8i]

I am waiting for the next Women's match between India and Eng...want to see will England come back with a like-to-like response! 🤣🤣🤣 I feel they'll, to give the taste of the medicine.

[@animeshkumar3121]

Gavaskar your old pal on pre match with Hydos, adviced Hydos to knock someone out so green can be included in the team before 15 October

[@suprio_gonefishing]

Timed out is a method of dismissal in the sport of cricket. It occurs when an incoming batsman is not ready to play within three minutes of the previous batsman being out. An instance of a 'batter' being declared out without a ball being bowled. What Douglas Jardine did was against the spirit of the game and later the law was amended to make it illegal. What Greg Chappel asked Trevor to do wasn't in the spirit of the game and the law was amended to make it illegal. Vinoo Mankad ran out Bill Brown in 1947 and the rule has not been amended, so .... What Lever did (vaseline) was illegal and against the spirit of the game. What Warner, Bancroft did was against the spirit of the game and illegal.

[@AshwaniKumar-gh1bx]

Best reply to the Elitist thinking of many.

[@nit_ghost]

Just a doubt about the actual law: Does the law state that the player at the non-stricking end have to be inside the crease with his/her body or does the bat count as an extension of the body? If it is the body, most players are taught during their young days to take a start and are told to keep their bats with the arm extended at the crease to take the start. So just trying to clarify that considering very few do the practice mentioned above in international or televised cricket, isn't the extension of the bat at the start before the ball is bowled an advantage and less distance to cover anyway? Just curious.

[@biblicalsynopsischapterwis5428]

fantastic points made on mankading..... the mainstream media commentators have to take a leaf out of this discussion.....

[@sarojxp]

With due respect, England should return or share with Newzealand the 2019 WC trophy, if they truly believe in respecting the game and spirit of cricket.

[@traumaticroids7929]

All i want to see now is this to happen in a mens game and a fight breaks out

[@sriramiyer4612]

@26:30 In order to follow the spirit of cricket , should the bowler let Will Pucovski know that he is planning to bowl a bouncer? #AskTGC

[@pathiknimbalkar2365]

As a school boy cricketer a few fundamentals are taught about running between the wickets in India. 1. As a non-striker run only after the ball has left the ballers hand. 2. Drag the bat into the crease and don't plonk it 3. while taking the second run, complete the first run by putting the bat into the crease before turning back for the second. If mistakes 2 & 3 commited by a batsman, they are penalised. In case of 2. The batsman is given out. In case of 3, the run is not considered. Then where is the moral dilemma in case of 1? What is the question of spirit of the game, if the batsman is making a basic fundamental mistake while running. And if they don't want to get makaded, go back to the basics and stay in the crease. Not expected from an international cricketer to make such a mistake.

[@manoharman4425]

In the meanwhile , RAHANE SENDING JAISWAL OUT OF THE GROUND FOR SLEDING THE BATSMAN IN DILIP TROPHY

[@chittaranjanshetty4546]

Jaiswal was repeatedly sledging to Ravi T using foul language. To which the two players looked like they are getting into a tiff. The umpires got involved and Rahane as captain calmed things down. Jaiswal continued to sledge afterwards to which rahane gave a warning. When he did it again it was then Rahane asked him to walk out of ground. When a player disobeys his captain despite repeated warnings that simply shows disobedience and lack of respect for captain. So he had it coming

[@AmitYadav-yo5ce]

I don't agree with rahane, send him to field on boundary line or somewhere else but rahane has to make headlines, if you want to teach discipline your teammate you can do that afterwards in the dressing room

[@soorajsingh9817]

@@AmitYadav-yo5ce Afterwards? He is not his father or anything like that.. He is a captain and a captain owns his team only on the ground.. If Rahane and umpires had intervened earlier, it was the time for Jaiswal stop sledging then and there. Whatever Rahane did is completely justified... Also, jaiswal had played a gem of innings in the same match, he kinda marred his own performance by going down that road...

[@manoharman4425]

@@AmitYadav-yo5ce go and watch video . jaiswal got warnings from umpire .if jaiswal has been not sent by rahane ,jaiswal may be banned by bcci for 6months alteast

[@AmitYadav-yo5ce]

@@manoharman4425 you should also watch, umpire keep giving warnings here and there, it doesn't matter. What matters Rahane should not demean his own team mate, he should sent him to boundary line to field. And also this is my opinion, you keep your opinion I will keep mine

[@TheRooster94]

#AskTGC No mention of "sprayed pegs, stepmum's legs." Missed opportunity. Still worth it, my club is already taking of bulk CCCs & FFFs

[@jude305]

Nothing wrong with what Deepti did. However, I believe the laws should also reflect the spirit in which the game should be played in. I like the idea of a run penalty rather than the loss of a wicket for a mankad run out.

[@kushagramaheshwari2282]

The whole point of this is to not treat it as something different and like any other runout, should other runouts also be run penalties instead of wickets ?

[@jude305]

@@kushagramaheshwari2282 well I would argue that it shouldn’t be treated like a run-out. That’s where I disagree with the laws.

[@kushagramaheshwari2282]

@@jude305 but by that logic front foot no balls should also just be run penalties and not an extra ball plus no wickets allowed on that ball, in an attempt to protect spirit of the cricket we are just ignoring the fact that nonstriker is the guilty party for being caught taking an advantage his rights to move out should be curtailed not bowlers to run him out. If the principle of run penalties is applied, Bowler should also have access to similar penalties for similar breaches, why special rules for nonstriker protecting his ignorance instead of punishing it. Bowlers are punished harshly for overstepping and same standards should be applied to non strikers.

[@jude305]

@@kushagramaheshwari2282 it’s not that big a deal if a batter steps out of his crease. It is a big deal if they lose their wicket for doing so - just in the spirit of cricket. That’s my belief anyway. Just make the law a run penalty instead of the loss of a wicket and then nobody will complain, whilst maintaining the spirit of the game.

[@akshayvora9920]

The 5 run penalty is a great idea, is there any way we could suggest it to the ICC legitimately?

[@harindersingh7290]

Nuanced and funny, just what I expected from TGC

[@Xinnie_The_Flu]

4:40 OMG this part is too funny😂

[@alltradingsecrets2859]

Even as an Indian, It was bit sad to end the match in that manner! I have two versions of next statement - 1) Dean should have been in the crease and it was setup for a delicious finish! 2) Deepti should not have done it and it was setup for a delicious finish!

[@tparimal]

Next time a top batter gets castled on a no-ball, I am waiting to see the batting captain conceding the wicket because the no-ball was innocuous and conceding the wicket made sense in the spirt of the game! 🙂 Field restrictions, checking every delivery for a no-ball (no one checking batters for early release and deducting runs), analysis-paralysis of Mankads - bowlers are treated like second class citizens. Amazing that no one talked about checking batters for every early release and deducting a ball from the over (opposite of free-hit)! In Baseball, pitchers trying to run out batters for early take off (i.e. without pitching the ball) happens several times in a single game, so this is a grow-up moment of Cricket. I'd love to see bowlers standing up for this and simply back the law!

[@jaelubberink8296]

Genuinely a more riveting artefact of philosophical discourse than my whole philosophy undergrad

[@rajat826]

ENG,Cry babies 😭 anyways NZ will love it.

[@ibrahimzulfiquar668]

Just like Indians crying about World Cup Final 🤣

[@prash8983]

@@ibrahimzulfiquar668 just like Indians having more World Cups than Pakistan 🤣

[@prakashmahtani6345]

@@ibrahimzulfiquar668 crying is a Pakistani national sport... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rajat826]

@@ibrahimzulfiquar668 What a terrorists doing on KZbin? Learning to make bombs? 🤣

[@rajat826]

@@ibrahimzulfiquar668 Like Your Mom cried , when I created you.

[@rajd_k]

If a runner can leave the crease before the bowler completes the delivery, why allow only few inches from the crease, rather go stand next to the batter on the batting side right...thoughts?

[@soumojitsarkar3254]

34:30 power of friendship. I don't know why but it reminds me of shounen anime

[@mohanv236]

Now that the facts have come out. The batters were warned many times and even the umpires were informed. So no use crying for paying the penalty for trying to steal an undue advantage.

[@AshishKP43]

I just can't find any other explanation for apprehension towards mankad and people that do it than Racism, yall mad cause an Indian had the gall to tell you a rule in the game you invented and that's why you think leaving the crease is in the spirit of cricket but getting out is not.

[@thegradecricketer9633]

There are Indians who are against this type of run-out and English people who are for it. Now what?

[@avtaralex]

As an Indian I can say that when we play cricket in our street we use this tactic very much and we don't find anything wrong in it, just like wide,no Ball, 4 ,6 , runout like this also part of game, you should respect the LINE of cricket

[@DT-uu1sq]

Ian Higgins has nailed it! The "just stay in your cresse " argument which I have endorsed is just to have a viable counter to comments about it being "disgusting" and "don't invite them back to Lords" which brings out of the inner Jordan Belfort in me. "I'm not fucking leaving ". Its been made a massive ordeal because the dept of cricket moral police seems to be based in England, HQ Lords. And its not the first time, it started with the wickets not being worthy of what HQ perceives to be a good test wicket and so on! Just bring a good fucking spinner and you have a chance of winning, its the same for both teams! Premeditated or not, it's in the rules this is competitive cricket take it on the chin and chill with the imperialistic attitude.

[@nileshghadge5016]

16:00 so we're just gonna shift the blame from the bowler to the umpires, huh? That will work like a charm. We'll get many more Steve Bucknors & Dharmasenas that way, won't we? 😂

[@bhiratkholi1617]

Please start- The grade footballer and The grade Tennis player also.Teach us Indians some others games because you guys are awesome.

[@harpa012]

I am listening to this while watching the European Cricket League!

[@PM13501]

LOL, great perspective Sam and Ian as always! But Australians discussing "spirit of the game" as pioneers of "sledging" is like "cannibals" discussing "human rights" 😀

[@pushkarganorkar8077]

The batsman have too many advantages in the game already 1.powerplays 2.two new balls 3. Leg side wide 4.byes and leg byes 5.free hits Does the game need to be any more batting friendly? Just stay in the damn crease already enough advantages around for u to exploit

[@LV-ei1ce]

Is it okay to run half way down the pitch before ball is bowled :)

[@ckpuneeth575]

England deserves this, after the incident at the world cup final, they don't have the right to raise questions on this match.