223 For Deer: Is It Enough?

[@KFish-bw1om]

"There's no replacement for shot placement." - Paul Harrell, Legend.

[@withoutprejudice8301]

Nice to see you referencing Paul. The community just lost him in the last 36 hrs for those who were unaware.

[@sboy1955]

🙁

[@robertrogish1038]

The Grandfather of my wife lived in the mountain in the Bradford, PA. In the 40 through the 70's he killed deer every year with a .22 Hornet. In the mid-80's he moved up to the .222 Remington. While I was dating his granddaughter I asked him if he considered using the .243 Winchester. He said, "No, that's too much gun". I grew up in the woods of Beaver County PA where the .30-30, WCF, .32 Winchester Special, .and the .38-55 Winchester were commonplace in the woods. Most used the .30-06 and I was taught the .243 is too small for whitetail. My, how things have changed. Loved this vlog, it's obvious you prepared well and your presentation is excellent.

[@guyminer2384]

Thanks!

[@badabing78]

Grew up in Wilcox and hunted whitetail with 222 REM and never had an issue.

[@linkbond08]

In Mexico mid to late 90s, my dad would take his 22lr and go into the woods, early morning during weekends, he'd come back late that evening with everything from turtle doves, to chachalacas, iguanas, rabbits and the occasional deer, the man didn't even owned camouflage only a green and brown flannel shirt, jeans and work boots. He saved for months and bought a second 22lr, then started letting me tag along when I was 10, we weren't as successful when I was going too (I know exactly why), But we still managed to get plenty to eat for the family. Good times.

[@waynereid9881]

I know many in the brafford PA area. That used 22H an 222 way back with great results it's how they put food on the table

[@BrettMcNary]

bullet construction > caliber

[@MichaelLynch-n9v]

This!! Everyone always gets so tunneled visioned on the caliber and not the bullet

[@warnniklz]

🤘🇨🇦🍁🇨🇦🤘

[@DaleGraves-c1b]

All about the shot placement and knowing you limits

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

And bullet construction and shot angle and impact velocity.

[@SSgt-]

I have found the Sierra 55gr Gameking BTHP loaded at approximately M193 velocity is a very lethal deer pill. My longest double lung shot kill is 265yds with this load. The Sierra 63gr Varmiter and Speer 75gr Gold Dot is also lethal on white tail. Shot placement is paramount, know your rifle and practice. Old Marine lecture over.

[@guyminer2384]

Congrats! And yes, shot placement is paramount. Semper Fi.

[@6NBERLS]

Several decades ago the Sierra reloading manual advised that the 223 cartridge was too weak for use on deer. That admonition has disappeared from subsequent editions.

[@farmerwayne1404]

Yes Sir!!

[@MrTacklebury]

The Gameking is the one I've used personally. I really liked the accuracy from those also.

[@SixOFord]

77 tipped matchking.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

73gr eld match!!! Why? Because I can't get any 77gr tipped matchkings locally.

[@SixOFord]

@NorthRiverGuide I hear they work just about as good. I know a guy still living off his stash of 75 amax's, and they work equally as well. He said the 75 eldm works good also if you're running a bolt gun.

[@nocturnalspecialties642]

77TMK work very good.

[@bekkerbosbeer3453]

Question... why is the industry standard dictate the velocity and energy at the muzzle as well as velocity with 24" barrels if in practice that cant be applied to a real life scenario....how difficult can it be to just give the correct factual information, we will still buy the ammo no matter if velocity drops on the advertisement on the ammo boxes... at least its honest

[@87balexander]

Being aware of what a cartridge will do out of a shorter barrel typical of AR15s is also important. Selecting a powder which will achieve better velocities in shorter barrels is helpful. Federal makes an MSR version of their fusion ammo tailored specifically to this.

[@gtroxlar8597]

Sierra 65 Gameking SBT is deadly on Whietail deer!

[@loco4dogg]

Legal just north of you in BC, regs state only that a centre fire rifle be used and now even air rifle of .35 caliber or larger.

[@georgedreisch2662]

Think the term “deer” is vague, for the different characteristics of species of “deer” on this continent and others. Considerable size difference between a southern whitetail and a western mule.

[@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill]

In the brain, they all fall the same.

[@shootinbruin3614]

@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill "And in the eye, a .22 will make 'em die" but how many socket or even headshots are feasibly taken?

[@Zer0Edits00]

Yeah not too much of a difference to complain about bro, lol.. will still reach the vitals with perfect shot placement

[@jaydunbar7538]

Not sure how this is a question, of course it’s enough. Plenty of deer are still taking by subsistence hunters in northern Alaska and Canada and also in rural Mexico with 22LR. Of course people who would rather have a larger cartridge but cost and availability are factors as well, particularly for those in Mexico.

[@guyminer2384]

Indeed. I didn't even mention that in the video, but am well aware of it. Thanks.

[@tylarhaugan7908]

Yes it is using 62 gold dot us what id use

[@JamesSmullins]

I love speer gold dot bonded jacket soft point in 62g. It's devastating on game two legged and four. Federal has one almost the same that works as well.

[@tylarhaugan7908]

​@JamesSmullins yes it is fusion is same bullet sometimes factory ammo in gold dot its cheaper some times

[@JamesSmullins]

@@tylarhaugan7908 I load my own so don't worry about factory prices. I started with using speer because federal doesn't sell fusion bullets in 223 for reloaders. I took several deer with the one box of fusion I did buy to test them. It's a good round though I had two duds in that twenty round box and this was pre covid.

[@GeirMeyer]

Thank you, sir.. Always a pleasure to see and hear your on this channel..

[@williamgaines9784]

Your intro caveat, "check the regulations where you plan to hunt" is the number one thing. Winchester makes a 64 grain powerpoint 223 loading which should do well, did great on a coyote. I have 70 gr TSX in 5.56x45 which I am hoping to try on deer, it also has worked well on coyote and bobcat. Federal Fusion was what a grandson took is 1st deer with, works very well, dropped in tracks at 100 yards.

[@guyminer2384]

Congrats to your grandson and whoever taught him to shoot! :)

[@fnkdtnk]

From the research I’ve tried to do, only 3 states have regulations on bullet diameter that prevent .224 cartridges. 7 states are shotgun or straight wall cartridges only.

[@brendonbenson]

Crazy but true 223 is legal for roe deer in Scotland but not UK smallest cal in UK is 243.

[@jasonbroom7147]

Cartridges don't kill game...bullets kill game. The 30-'06 isn't enough for deer...if you shoot the old 55gr saboted varmint bullets or the 110gr 30 carbine bullet. The 223 is capable of pushing bullets that will reliably kill deer, if placed well. Other cartrdiges are a far better choice, frankly. I don't drive in 16-penny framing nails with a tack hammer, either.

[@DanielRifleman-pb9bd]

A long time ago I sided with my dad on a deer bullet had to have a bit of heft to penetrate & knock 'em down. Now I'm looking at the damage that a bullet can do when put in the right spot. Any cartridge that it's bullet put in vital organs ( understand brain, spine, lungs & heart area) will cause traumatic 'system s failure' in a game animal. With speed that causes hydrostatic shock a bullet does the damage. The problem is does it cause enough. The average wound channel is smaller than, say a 30-06 bullet simply because of size & mass. Since every shot on a game animal is different more damage has more forgiveness in doing enough in the right area. Yes a quartering shot needs more depth of the wound channel than a broad side lung shot. And other things can happen at the shot as any experienced hunter knows. So yes, you can hunt with a 223 Remington but know its limitations on the needed damage to vitals to make humane kills. I may be hunting with my AR this year on some hunts so I will try it out. My hand load has a 65 gr Sierra Game King.

[@moushunter]

Wasn't Colt selling ARs commercially under license from Armalite for a few years before the M16 was adopted by the military? Pretty sure the military rejected the original AR until they reconsidered after it was sold to the public. The AR format was converted to full auto as the M16 for the military.

[@tyaukshun316]

If only there was a place that had hundreds of documented 223 kills with autopsies on animals such as deer, bear, elk, straight through both shoulders of a moose, mountain goat, grizzly bears, and even a walrus.... All the haters need to check into the 415 plus pages of info about this specific subject on rokslide

[@guyminer2384]

Yup.

[@jeffcernosek6716]

And that’s why I’m taking mine to the field in a few weeks. D R T.

[@Beard_Man_Rob]

I think people are more commonly finding that accuracy, precision, and bullet construction are the actual determining factors of a bullet's effectiveness, not TKO, energy on target, etc., etc. New copper solids have really stepped up lethality and penetration for game animals.

[@jbmemphis2151]

It is plenty the only downside I have found is you don’t get a good blood trail. Know your rifle and know you made a good shot and don’t give up on the search after your shot.

[@Triggertarzan]

The bob ross of bullets that you guy for always checking people who doubt ballistics

[@coreystock5361]

Guy. You’re awesome. Utmost respect on your opinions. 👍

[@guyminer2384]

Well thank you.

[@iratezombiemann]

Will it do it? Yeah. Will I pick it over my 308 or 270? No. Hell no.

[@iratezombiemann]

@@BrettMcNary I sure do, but I can use a 308 for more than an ideal broadside and still anchor a big deer.

[@Gmny1MOA]

​​@@iratezombiemann exactly ..alot of these ppl are living in fantasy land...let a booner 200lb stud step out and ask yourself what caliber you'd like to have in your hands...if you pick 223 I question your sanity

[@kenmcvie6350]

The deer cullers in New Zealand away back in I think 50's & 60's used .222 rifles with great success on Red Deer etc. BUT thy were crack shots, & had lots of practise.

[@seanmurphy243]

Placement matters more than headstamp.

[@johngunn4573]

Guy, interesting video. I didn't see the Nosler 60gr BT in the list. I've read that it has decent expansion. Any thoughts on that bullet? Thanks. Semper Fi

[@thebenches360]

One of my 1st videos on my channel here was about .223 deer loads, and my personal experiences. At the time of the(crappy) video I had taken 98 deer with .223 in an AR-15 carbine, all one shot drops. Since then I don't know how many I have taken(I stopped counting at 150) at ranges up to 500yds, all 1 shot drops, 99+% DRT drops. I can count on one hand how many have ran, with the farthest making it 40yds, and that was just because it was a REALLY BAD shot on my part on about a piddly 150yd shot. I own that one. Bullet selection is key, and also really important on shot placement. When I say 115, 120, 150lb those are dress weights, not weight on the hoof whole. I know I've passed the 200 mark with my cheap little Ruger AR556 carbine, just not sure how many over 200 I have taken as I usually take(before I broke my neck)15-25 deer per year. But I got the little AR during the Obama shortage, and couldn't get a bolt action(wanted another .243), so thought "I'll hunt with it this season, and I'll have a bolt gun before next." 1st day out had 3 DRTs in 15min before leaving the house. 2 the next morning. 2 the next morning after. 15 total for the week, so thought "why do I want to waste $ on buying another rifle just for deer???", and the rest is history.

[@guyminer2384]

OUTSTANDING! Except for your broken neck. Thanks for contributing your experience to this discussion!

[@bryanneedham9637]

Your state is very generous with deer tags, 15 a week

[@treecarver269]

Nope, it's 3 antlerless/day, every day of season, with 2 antlered total statewide for the year. Bow season starts last week of September, gun season ends 1st weekend of January, and with the exception of juvenile only hunts every day in-between is a hunting day.

[@chadperry4021]

With the improvements in bullet design maybe the law should changed to minimum bullet weight instead of minimum diameter. I bet the 90 grain bonded fusion in 224 Valkyrie would work.

[@BcFuTw9jt]

Wyoming is bullet weight and case length for restrictions

[@chadperry4021]

@@BcFuTw9jt what weight and length?

[@WayStedYou]

Thats a bit foolish when you consider copper projectiles exist

[@brianparmenter3583]

It's all about shot placement.

[@waynebrown2546]

It is about shot placement but need to take into consideration the terrain and the ease of recovery. If a bit off and you will do some walking. As I get older, I am all 30-06 as I do not risk the slipper rock to climb some of the hills and coulees, I have 200 yards max distance and trees, so go high shoulder 178g 30-06 Ramshot hunter. Rarely take a step.....

[@BLKSMShooting]

It is enough for one of Africa's toughest antelope - the Waterbok or Waterbuck. Ask my wife, she shot one with a 223.

[@txgunner00]

Yes. Saved everyone 10 minutes of their lives.

[@lluwd]

not legal to hunt with in Washington, wish it was

[@MrGT3]

Just stop comparing energy. It means absolutely nothing in regards to terminal ballistics.

[@pb7087]

@MrGT3 It doesn’t mean nothing. It is 100% necessary, as wounding mechanisms rely on TRANSFERRING that energy. Either through crush damage as the bullet travels through, fragmentation lacerations, or making a temporary stretch cavity so big that it exceeds the tissue’s elastic limit. Other factors include the bullet construction, meplat, and sectional density. So no, external ballistics energy is not the only thing to consider, but it is a critical factor along with the other things mentioned above. If you don’t have enough energy in the bullet, then you may not be able to penetrate deep enough or create as much tissue damage through means other than crush damage. You don’t always need maximum energy, but you do still need to make sure you have enough energy to be able to have that bullet effectively transfer it to the tissue.

[@nickroot3107]

69 gr smk at 2600fps works very well. bumps its energy in the middle of the body ! Dont forget the military dmr round is the 77 gr smk

[@rene3261]

european market : RWS and Geco for instance

[@vomitingwithungodlyaccurac3218]

Geez the comment are a mess 😂 great video, regardless of the controversy

[@whiskeytango9769]

I live in Alberta Canada and here no big game can be hunted with a caliber less .230

[@derrick11boutain]

I have plenty to choose from that are better suited for Wtail but if that's what you want more power to you. Good luck.

[@coreymaddocks]

Illegal in my state (Colorado) so kind of a moot point.

[@billhendon1017]

Thanks! Love this show!

[@jeffallen3382]

Not legal here in my state.

[@bickabraham2397]

It's all about shot placement!! Washington game laws make absolutely no sense!!

[@bigbeede]

Energy is deceiving, if you have something with a ton of energy but blows right through the deer it’s a lot of wasted energy. I hunt with a 6.8 SPC and it has been phenomenal. I also hunt where ranges are limited so I won’t be stretching out past maybe 300 yards.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Heavy for calibre match bullets such at eld match work well for deer and black bears. As well as perform better over distance than the stumpy hunting bullets or less dense monos.

[@linkbond08]

You do realize you're recommending a slow non-expanding fmj to go HUNTING with.

[@censoredpleb2241]

@@linkbond08 Go read the .223 for deer, bear, elk thread on rokslide

[@Jsrsrex]

The Eldm is not slow expanding it is more on the rapid side. Might want to read up some on it and other match bullets like the 77 gr tmk

[@NorthRiverGuide]

@@linkbond08 you do realize you are displaying that you don't understand what you're talking about? I realize I'm recommending the best tool for the job albeit a bit less conventional. Heavy for calibre bullets like the eld match with their tipped/open tip design and thin jacket expand very well over a wider variety of impact velocities, retain more velocity downrange, and have a good sectional density which aids penetration. It's quite the far stretched comparison to call them non expanding fmj just because they aren't a controlled expansion bullet.

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

@@linkbond08 didn’t do well in reading comprehension tests, did ya?

[@jeffingram9499]

Yeah using 64 grain bonded if you call m in close

[@therealdestructicus]

"I think energy helps with power comparisons" Power is a function of work, which is itself a function of force (mass x acceleration) kinetic energy (.5 mass × velocity²) has no bearing on power, and no reputable expert in terminal ballistics would claim it has any effect on wounding, its simply a value of potential entropy it could transfer to other things, ammunition companies posting this metric is absurd, and people using it for anything is even more absurd.

[@revolutionanarchy713]

Great video!!!!

[@jacobpahl972]

Naw I’m really not a fan of just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I really don’t like 223 for deer hunting( unless your in a state like Florida and the deer there barley get to like a 100 lbs.) it’s an in my opinion an expert level hunting caliber. Much like the 410.

[@Trinitystillmyname]

Great subject! Spicey! Thankyou for bringing this up! The reason most states did a ban on .22 cal. Is because .22 lr and .22 mag were very popular for taking deer out of season. The new copper monolithic bullets are underrated in smaller calibers for deer hunting. I believe there is a definate market for a resurgence of copper bullets in .223 Best of luck!

[@NorthRiverGuide]

I find coppers to be overrated especially in 22 for large animals. Folks have the idea that they need something that will pass through the animal lengthwise, but don't consider how narrow the wound is. All that is needed to pass through a broadside deer is 10" on a large deer. Leadcores offer much wider wounding, and depending on bullet, still likely to exit on a broadside shot.

[@sixpacjp]

@@NorthRiverGuidenot really. Go look at ballistics gel tests for barnes 50gr TSX loaded by Black Hills. The 50gr all copper bullet opens up into “petals” and its diameter is around 0.44” So similar to a 45 cal bullet once it opens up. It creates a devastating wound cavity

[@NorthRiverGuide]

@@sixpacjp yes, very narrow wounding as compared to pretty well any leadcore bullet

[@Nick-sx6jm]

@@NorthRiverGuide Yeah I will never understand the hype of copper bullets. I tried them and they absolutely suck and I would never use them again on game. I found they dont expand or cause a sufficient wound channel and I wasnt using underpowered or slow cartridges either. Lost a bear after shooting it at just 125 yards off a good rest with a 340wby because the TTSX didnt open.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

@Nick-sx6jm if the animal wasn't recovered, there would be no evidence to identify what actually happened. Honestly seeing the bears I have taken with most of them being with systems popularly labelled as very insufficient, and the testing ive done with monos, I would more likely believe that shot placement wasn't the best in the case you described. While they don't perform near as well terminally as lead core bullets, they still do work if placed through the lungs.

[@masonmcneill3969]

We like guy!

[@guyminer2384]

Thanks! :)

[@dansaver8247]

Good video.

[@RobinP556]

I’m curious, did you shoot all of the data in the chart or is that from a program? I’m not trying to call you out, the reason that I ask is because I’m looking for a program that lays data out just like your chart and while I’ve used several I haven’t found one that I really like.

[@guyminer2384]

I pulled all that in from Hornady's data since we used their CX bullets in each factory cartridge. Those three are all factory ammo available from Hornady so I just used their data. I've shot each of those cartridges enough to know that their numbers are good. That said, every rifle is different...

[@RobinP556]

@@guyminer2384 Thanks, but I normally reload, do you know of a program that shows the same kind of data but allows me to input my own data?

[@riccochet704]

The correct answer is "it depends". In the southern states where deer are smaller, sure. But there is a reason .223 is not allowed to be used in northern states where trophy buck are found. It's not as effective at a clean kill on those larger deer. And I don't know about you, but I'm not that interested in spending hours tracking a wounded deer. That's not a clean kill and not a humane way to take game.

[@Yelladog78]

Don't tell the Eskimos, they've been killing grizzlies, polar bears, caribou and moose with them forever

[@Longshot762x51]

Oh jeez, you might actually have to hit your shots! 😱

[@HazardousRob]

Legal in Michigan

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

Legal for elk in Montana.

[@treecarver269]

Little cousin uses my handloads of 65gr Sierra Game King soft points to take trophy mulies. Of the 3 biggest she's shot all were pass thru shots(that means the bullet went out the back side), and the only one that ran dropped within 50yds.

[@jacquesdutoit7373]

222, taken down plenty of game in africa! From springbok, blesbok, gemsbok even some koedoe, shot placement is all you need!

[@308guy8]

I guess it boils down to how much respect you have for what you're hunting, and are you really an ethical hunter or not? Both statements could mean something different to whose hunting. I was allowed to hunt a property, and i broke the bottom strand of a barbwire fence. i went back the next day and fixed the mans fence, and i hunted that property until the old man passed on to me it was just the right thing to do even though the fence wasn't in use

[@guyminer2384]

You did the right thing with that fence. No doubt about it.

[@withoutprejudice8301]

So THAT was a vague answer to the topic. Your first sentence established that. Care to get off the fence and give a definitive standing statement?

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

yes, to 100m with a short barrel, 150m with 20" barrel, using Nosler Partition 60 gr softpoints and taking shots only from the front, front quarters or from the side and not near dusk. You might not get an exit wound, so there might not be any blood trail. So it's best if you have snow on the ground, or you're up in a tree blind,, where you can see the animal fall. It probably wont make it 100m, if you get a good chest hit.

[@User-nx7rs]

I would not do it

[@powerbagle]

Did it once, it worked, but can't recommend it. 75 gr bthp, ran like 30 yds but no blood trail(no exit wound) and doe tracks going every direction was a pain to find.

[@kylewalton7005]

guy are many of those hunting loads lighter grain bullets because most bolt action rifles come with slower twist rates?

[@Taco_Bell_Nachos]

Not enough for deer, but enough for combat troops. Pfft.

[@withoutprejudice8301]

Yep. And that's with fmj's not hunting bullets.

[@charlesmullins3238]

I’ve got v max in 40gr and 60gr layin here along with 55gr blitzkings and 77gr smk and nosler rdf loaded up for whatever may arise..shot a doe yrs ago with my ar and can’t remember what round I used but it wasn’t a ballistic tip and she ran off with 2rds in her and I never seen her again..I tracked several uphill miles and no luck. I have 55gr gamekings also runnin 3300ish and they done good on bottles so far..My 40gr seems to be the most violent as far as expansion and they’ll all touch at 100. Thanks guy..

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

don't use match hps, nor varmint- weight softpoints, on deer, guys. That's just stupid. You need expansion of the bullet AND 10" of penetration.

[@charlesmullins3238]

@@SonnyCrocket-p6h you ought to see some of the expansion im seein…of course the lighter ones don’t make sense for deer but most times it’s headshots on does so penetrating an eye socket not to difficult..I’m wantin to try my 110gr .308 v max/varmageddons on game as they run 3500fps 24” barrel

[@bobaldred6322]

Michigan regulations say ANY center fire OR any rimfire larger than 22 cal. 18" 25 acp anyone 😅

[@guyminer2384]

Wow... :(

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Hey Guy, Off the topic - I was wondering if I can stabilize a bullet with sheer speed? I have an older Ruger m77 in 243 with a 1 in 9" twist. I've shot everything that used to be available with 100 grain and down with good success but 6mm bullets range up to 115 gr. I would like to try handloading with these bullets to take advantage of their high bc to buck the wind better and carry more energy farther down range. My question is this: if it appears I will not be able to stabilize the 115 Bergers due to barrel twist rate could I, in theory, ,"catch up" with greater velocity? Thank you

[@64samsky]

I'm a handloader, 115 is too heavy for your barrel twist. Some of the people are re- barreling to faster twists to throw heavier pills, but most older guns don't have the proper twist rate.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

I've tried that with a long barreled deep throated 243 with 105gr bthp. I got them to go 3150fps and they had decent accuracy when air density was low in the summer (moa at 800), but accuracy fell apart and turned to 15moa in the winter when the air was more dense. The longer 115gr low drag bullet is a bit much to ask out of that barrel

[@guyminer2384]

Check the stability calculator on Berger's website. Doesn't look good for your barrel and that bullet. Marginal stability.

[@Letnothinggotowaste]

Its always the operator, not the weapon...

[@Rusty-Brown_]

********* IT IS THE PLANE NOT THE PIOLET !!!!!!!!

[@rpk5250]

Interesting video. I happen to be in the market for my one and only centerfire rifle that I’m going to own for a while and I find it hard to decide on chambering. The 22 ARC sounds great but not sure if it’s going to die off and cannot be counted on in the future, what would a good twist rate and barrel length be to shoot 50 grain bullets on up 80?

[@withoutprejudice8301]

1:7

[@Beard_Man_Rob]

What are you using this one-and-only rifle for? Competition, sport, hunting, self defense? Which rifle platform? AR, bolt, lever?

[@rpk5250]

@@Beard_Man_Rob target and fun and someday some field use like hogs

[@joearledge1]

Projectile selection, shot placement, and impact energy/ velocity are critical for being effective, quick, and clean with 223 on medium game. Appropriate range is 200yrds or less(more closer, more better) even with a precision ar with appropriate bullet selection. Long as you use an ounce of common sense, it'll get it done

[@billjensen6216]

Shot placement is a must and not much past 200 yards max.

[@joyous-b8j]

In Colorado it's against the law to use .223 to hunt , I'm curious what state allows .223 to hunt ???

[@withoutprejudice8301]

Nebraska. As long as the load combination delivers 900 ft lbs at 100 yards. Nowadays there are several companies selling factory loads that deliver those numbers.

[@joyous-b8j]

@@withoutprejudice8301 Being from Colorado, I hunt with a .243 Mossberg ATR and use the Hornady 75 gr V-Max to hunt Whitetails here in N.C.! I have shot Muleys in Colorado with the 75 gr V-Max up to 300 yrds! I shot have Elk with the 75 gr - V-Max .243 on a private ranch when I lived in Colorado.

[@cohenmccormick4360]

No restrictions whatsoever here in NZ

[@NorthRiverGuide]

More than 2/3 of states allow 22 centerfires for deer.

[@fnkdtnk]

40 of the 50 states allow it. 7 of the 10 that ban it did so via banning bottle necked rifle cartridges, or are shotgun only. Only 3 of the 50 states require a bullet diameter larger than .224 (which is the actual bullet diameter of the .223 Remington, 22-250 etc. oddly enough.)

[@rilbertdsouza1598]

I’m having difficulties hearing the dialogue

[@Beard_Man_Rob]

Yes, some audio balancing is needed in post. Good microphone placement makes a huge difference, as well.

[@AppaGo420-rz5bz]

Not my first choice especially for the big northern bucks we got in Alberta.

[@withoutprejudice8301]

Why not? Unfamiliar with landscape in general but when I used to go up to Cold Lake Canada for Maple Flag exercises (military thing) it was mainly woodland meaning 150 yards or less shots. Well within the ethical lethal range of the .223 even for an average shooter to get a chest cavity shot. Neck/head shot not out of the realm of an established shooter.

[@bradpierce1211]

In colorado for big game it's minimum of. 243

[@guyminer2384]

That seems typical for several states.

[@BorealEDC]

Sure, but why? If you say it's the only gun you have, I'm not accepting that. You can buy good, usable rifles in 308 or 3006 for 150 bucks. If you can't afford 150 bucks, sell the 223.

[@joshuagibson2520]

Please, do tell where these $150 pieces are?

[@BorealEDC]

@@joshuagibson2520 If you're in the US, there are guns like that available all the time on the US market. In Canada, I could buy a Savage axis with a Bushnell scope on it for 350.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Where are you getting axis with a scope for 350cad? That's pre covid pricing

[@charlesturoski5969]

This is some fud shit

[@FVPS-ew2iy]

Guy are you looking for move based on the current and future anti hunting legislation in Washington?

[@guyminer2384]

Good question. Have certainly thought about it. Love the geography, most of the people, the wildlife...

[@12345NoNamesLeft]

Also there is variation in deer size by geography / climate. As you go up north and get colder, the deer get bigger. Better bullet tech has improved expansion and efficacy.

[@peterschmidt2849]

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[@CrimeVid]

no it is not enough, just because it sometimes works in some hands, does not excuse telling everybody it's a superior round for the job. it is not.

[@guyminer2384]

Never said it was "superior" just that yes, it can do the job and routinely does so.

[@CoryFarrar]

Is the scope on the rifle backwards?

[@guyminer2384]

Ha! No. :)

[@jameshill5304]

No, it’s a LPVO

[@RandomNPC88]

It’s not enough. Unethical.

[@mountainmanmilitia3806]

Incorrect

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

But it’s enough to kill humans?

[@adamrodgers2377]

Bullshit

[@MIchigan-Savage]

Derp