224 Valkyrie at 600 Yards: Bolt-Action VS AR-15 (Unexpected Results)

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It's time to put the two 224 Valkyrie rifle I built head to head at 600 yards! I wasn't expecting what happened...
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Correction: In the video I say the load used was with 20.5 grains of Varget, the actual charge weight was 25.5 grains.
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[@AF-O6]

I just “discovered” this channel, and after 4 hours of binge watching precision machining videos, all I can say is that I can’t get enough. The reason is you are a detail oriented craftsman.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Welcome!!! I'm glad you're here. Make sure you check out the Remington 700 build series, and I have a lot more machine shop action coming! kzbin.info/aero/PLApPU7t86M4vxNNX2h4aOf3-QyfuVclkw

[@AP2020_Outdoors]

Stay tuned, I'm in the process of putting my 224 Val together. Btw, I have been shooting a 6PDK wildcat 6mmX6.8SPC for 7 years now. So, hopefully that experience will help on this new journey!

[@echosreloadingchamber7306]

Can't wait to see more with the AR-15 platform and the 224 Valkyrie.

[@CS-ow3io]

Ive been working with 82gr Berger and 80gr smk so far. My best groups have been with the smk and around 27.8gr of H4350 at 2.260 oal. Getting .3-.4 moa. Next up 85gr Barnes and 80.5 Berger. Great vids!

[@cs_yt]

The groups were great! Whoever built these rifles must know what he is doing. After a lot of work and the help of other 224V reloaders, the ticket in my 22" 1:7 is 80eld, 0.035" from the lands, with 25gr of H4895, 0.39 moa at 2928fps, single digits SD, using once fired Federal brass. I expect even better on my next load using Starline brass and a mandrel expander. You should try this combination. There is even a company making it commercially now.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks for sharing- wondering, what are the specs for the rifle you are shooting? Can you send a link to the mandrel expander? Thanks!

[@cs_yt]

@@Ultimatereloader The expander is Sinclair (Brownell's sku 749-014-457), I run the brass twice in the die (one with the expander, then without it), then run in the mandrel. The rifle uses a Sanders 22" 1:7 upper on a put together Aero Precision lower, trigger Timney Calvin Elite (1lbs) and Magpul PRS stock, glass is Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50mm.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Cool- I've been looking for a 1lb AR trigger, haven't found what I'm looking for yet. The AR Calvin Elite doesn't show a 1lb model on the product page- can you elaborate on your setup? Thanks! timneytriggers.com/ar-calvin-elite-single-stage-drop-in/

[@cs_yt]

@@Ultimatereloader I wrote too fast, it's 1.5 lbs, which is pretty adequate and it is the one in the link. What I really like on this trigger, besides the light pull, is the multiple adjustments on the shoe. I have long hands and the ability to tilt the shoe puts my hand on the same position every time, which is great when changing position in PRS. I also did not list that I use a SJC Titan compensator, which cuts the recoil and keep me on target.

[@silentbob267]

If you are looking for an expander die and mandrel you should look up "21st Century Shooting" and see what they have to offer. Not saying it's better than the Sinclaire, you just might want to compare the two and see which one you like better. They also have a bunch of other sweet looking reloading equipment available. Also be careful not to go too light on a semi-auto trigger or you will start getting double fires from the recoil resetting the trigger. It happened to a friend of mine on his AR10 one time and the trigger wasn't even that light on it.

[@openmythirdeye]

Nice video and great shots with the drone. .224 looks to be a reloaders nightmare to me. I'll stick to the 77 grain smk .223 load.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks man! I haven't had trouble yet with loading (the compressed load should have an easy workaround) but we'll see what happens when things go heavy (90 and 95)

[@neilb1619]

@@Ultimatereloader, for a bolt gun, why bother? Fast twist .22-250 will do everything and more than the .224Valk.

[@jimmyhunter8321]

Untrue. 22-250 drops a lot more, and has double the wind drift. Also, lighter bullet. All it wins in is muzzle velocity.

[@dang3]

That was some great shooting. All that attention to detail and hard work really paid off.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks Dan!

[@ronmartblog]

I can totally believe that - I love your 224 Valkyrie as its such a sweet build! I'm definitely blown away with your group you got with AR at that distance - impressive!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Glad you got to try it out Ron!

[@chucktaylor6057]

I have been running the Hornady 80 ELDM using H4895, 2925-3010 fps, though the 3010 fps is a bit over pressure limits. I shot a best of .33 MOA with that load. CMT 24.5 inch barrel AR rifle. Great shooting by the Way!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Great results for your load and rifle Chuck, and thanks! Can't wait to try the 80 grain ELD-Ms myself...

[@konradhermann9336]

I bought the wife and myself 2 mossberg mvp predator series bolt actions in the 224 valkyrie to test the waters so to speak. Was over the moon surprised with the accuracy of the factory ammo from the federal 75 grain tmjs I the black pack. 1/4 inch groups at100yds with both guns. And sparked my ar build. Currently waiting on a upper from atheris with the 20 inch match barrel.

[@jw3256]

Hi Gavin, as always great info I am hoping that the 224 Valkyrie will be my next purchase or build as well. I guess now you can maybe also start with experimentation of bullet seating depth, neck turning, flash hole deburring, and more case prep along with sorting etc. primers, & powder I believe if you are already getting a .30 MOA (1/3rd of an inch) at 600 yards that is awesome already and at 600 yards plus shooting like maybe Prairie Dogs now you will face a real challenge. Again thank you

[@paunchouspilot6757]

Got your link from West Desert shooter. Glad to see your succes. I load 26.0 gr of CFE223 to avoid being compressed & seat the 88 ELD bullet at 2.25 COL. Brass is S&B 6.8SPC FL sized. I have taken it to 1k yds but it was a windy day (15-20mph gusting) from the right about 75 degrees so although 19/21 shots landed on a F class 600 yd paper target my best group was about 7 inches for 3 shots. Wind call for me is a bugger. Rifle is a AR with 1:7 twist criterion from Craddock precision. Load development was a pain. Fortunately others on you tube have helped out. Take it to 1k when you get a chance. I really wanted to use this as a PRS gun but have now moved to a 6mm creedmoor AR10.Thanks for your work. Nice drone video. I'll keep watching.

[@blugrassmaniac]

Thanks so much for this vid! I’ve been wanting to see it for a while now. I believe in the Valkyrie and think it will be sorted out and be a great cartridge. Thanks again!

[@jeep002100]

Factory Savage Prairie Hunter, 224 Valkyrie FC once fired brass, 88gn ELD-M, 23.6 Varget. .21” for 5 at 100 meters

[@rickdavis7141]

this video is y I did build an ar 224 Valkyrie. And yes now I of course have to build a 6mm arc,just for the fun of it I guess.

[@Ultimatereloader]

AWESOME!!!!!

[@Darkhalfcustoms]

I was just playing with the berger bullets twist stabilization calculator, and it is saying,( and I had to guess at bullet length) that you should only see a 9 % loss of stabilization. Which basically changes the BC from the .600 to .546. so I think past 800 to 1000 you will probably start noticing larger groups. It will more than likely go subsonic earlier. But can't wait to see you results.

[@Darkhalfcustoms]

I did some playing with the numbers and a 1 in 5 is the best for this bullet. Not the 1 in 6.5 that sierra claims. the 1 in 6 is the slowest twist that stabilizes it fully if you can push it to 1650 fps.

[@billy19461]

How about a shop tour? Loved the video!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Yes, I've had a few people ask for that- I've put it on the list. Glad you liked this video!

[@nilescoyote4829]

Excellent Gavin! I'm using 23.4gr varget behind the 88eld in Starline brass and I'm seating these to 2.270" overall. It's on the mild side but gives a velocity of 2650ish from a 22" Bartlein AR barrel. Groups are around .6 moa at 100 and it has maintained that when I'm on my game to 800 and by 1000 I'm usually just under moa.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks for sharing that Niles- that sounds like a really good result- Hornady advertises 2675 FPS for their 88 grain ELD-M 224 Valkyrie factory ammunition, and from a 24" barrel. So it sounds to me like you are at an equivalent load level. I was thinking that Varget might be a touch fast for 88 grain bullet, but perhaps based on what you've shared I'll look into trying it out with the 88 grain ELD-M bullets.

[@nilescoyote4829]

@@Ultimatereloader I'd be real interested to see what kind of velocity you can get from the 95smk loaded near the lands till you hit pressure signs... I'm toying with the idea of having a custom reamer made that would allow the 95's to be seated 2.5" in a bolt action while leaving more space for powder.

[@hunt1198]

I built a .224 Valkyrie and I love it. It shoots perfect. I dropped a antelope one shot at 350 yards

[@PilotMcbride]

Great stuff Gavin!! Well, I'm just happy if my shots hit in the same zipcode mate, lmao!!

[@bruceandrews8835]

I'm late to reply to this video. But here it goes. I have built an AR upper in 224 Valkyrie. I have a 22" SS heavy barrel. The chambering is from a builder that told me that the SAMI specs are wrong, it has a 1 in 7 twist. I'm using an existing lower with a very good 3lb trigger. I have shot all of the existing factory loads and got the tightest groups with the 87gr ballistic-tipped Hornady rounds. .30 at 100yds. This rifle will hold its own with any bolt gun that I have heard of or seen. I shoot on a friend's ranch in Weld County, Colorado where the range goes out to 1375 yards. He has a 24" X 36" steel at that range. Both of us can consistently get small groups at the 1375 range. I'm told that this setup is the only AR that has done this. He's in the process of having a bolt gun built using the same chambering. I don't know if it will be better than my gun. I'm going hunting some more. I've taken coyotes at 400 yards. I could shoot them at further distances but I want to be sure of an instant kill. Well, I hope you see this and reply.

[@tarasowell8191]

Did you give up on the 224? I didn't find any more videos on the project after the 88 eld. What load did you wind up setting on? I have a very similar ar15 build that i am buying stuff to reload for. I am just now getting into reloading but have been longrange shooting for years with factory ammo. My rifle seems to like hornady 88 eld match box stuff over lighter ammo. Thanks Travis

[@Robert-ko6wr]

Enjoy your channel very much. You are my favorite machinist. Question... Have you ever had a situation where your progressive reloader has failed to load powder into the shell leaving you with a bullet stuck in the barrel at the range? Happened to me twice, each a different caliber. Seriously thinking of going back to a single stage reloaded where I can see each round at every stage of the process.

[@thebigmansoutdoors]

Good stuff. Nice shooting. I am in the process of determining brass life and working up some load with the 90 / 95 gr smk's. Can't wait to start stretching things out a bit.

[@tacticalpacificislanders6242]

AWESOME VIDEO, WOW BROTHER OUTSTANDING LOADS & RIFLES...THANKS FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE & DISCOVERIES IN BALLISTICS.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks man! Having a lot of fun with this series!

[@hfiggins]

My 20" AR likes 75 gr. ELD-M and Varget. Twenty-four point seven grains and 2.26".

[@Ultimatereloader]

Cool, thanks for sharing!

[@jasonguillory3374]

Wow, great shooting bro!

[@egouldE5]

Built a AR-15 (.224) this year. Shooting 82 gr Berger (.224) boat tail match with 27.5 grains of RE-17, I'm getting 1 to 1.5 moa groups at 850 yards.

[@deadmanshand1330]

What is the twist and length of your Barrel?

[@egouldE5]

1:7 twist 20” white oak armament Barrell

[@deadmanshand1330]

@@egouldE5 thanks, I can not decide between a 20in and 24in. For long range.

[@egouldE5]

DeadMansHand 13 My 20’ has been fine for 82 grain but if you plan on the 90 grain I would go with a 24” barrel

[@deadmanshand1330]

@@egouldE5 right now I'm thinking 88 to 95 gr projectiles in a 24in barrel and 1:6.5 twist. Custom barrel. But it's hard to turn loose of that kind of money and not be sure.

[@russellcowher3877]

Good shooting, especially with that AR, but you don't have to have that play which you noted is in your rifle. As a competitive shooter I've been working on this problem with my A2 rifle for several years now. Of course you have the play between the upper and lower receivers and in the but stock as well, even in a solid A2 butt stock can be some play which for me was that the buffer tube kept loosening up, so I finally locktighted it, and it has lasted for about a thousand rounds now. The Accu wedge helps but doesn't completely solve the problem between the recievers. The next thing I did was use a feeler guage to check just how much play was between the 2 receivers," .005" I then cut shims to fit over the connecting lugs to eliminate this play from some shim stock and super glue them in place. There was also some side play on the forward assembly pin which I eliminated with a small piece of shim stock. I left the Accu wedge in the receiver because it's not doing any harm, though I doubt it's helping me either. I've only been shooting local matches, but I loose very few of them, and then only because I screwed something up and it wasn't the rifle! This rifle is a 5.56, 1-9, 20" heavy profile Delton upper, on an Olympic lower, I'll go to a 1-7 twist when my barrel which has at least 5,000 rds through it now quits performing.

[@shotover7719]

Great job GT! Im having the same results with my custom bolt gun but with 6.5 twist and Berger 90gr VLDs. Still working on the final load recipe but its been super fun! What brass are you using and what is your bullet speed in fps? Im using Starline but the primer pockets dont like the hotter loads. Im at 2863fps (AVG) but much above that in the 2970fps range using H4895 and the primer pockets get loose. Its funny I watched another vid today of someone calling the 224 Valkyrie mediocre and your video with the 224 Valkyrie in both variations doing AWESOME! Keep it up GT. 2 thumbs way up!!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks man! Velocities for this load (not quite max) are 2905 FPS in the AR-15, and 2947 in the Remington 700!

[@shotover7719]

@@Ultimatereloader Id love to know your recipe or at least the powder being used for the bolt gun. I can figure out the rest.

[@shotover7719]

Aww, rewatched your video, copy that, Varget is your powder.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Cool- and the load data is here: ultimatereloader.com/2018/11/21/224-valkyrie-progressive-reloading-on-the-rcbs-pro-chucker-7/

[@robertfontanini7575]

Just got a lyman bore scope, have (2) new 224 V , 1 in 7 & 1 in 6.5 from diff manufactures.After running bore scope thru both barrels you would not believe what I saw.the 1 in 7 from South Carolina sold as new barrel was actually a used barrel that was polished up. I had fire cracks, partialy missing lands, pits and I don't even want to continue with that. Sending it back tomorrow.The other barrel a 1 in 6.5 looked like a new piece but had chatter marks every 20 - 30 thoudown the entire 22" inch length & all around the interior. They are shipping a new replacementtoday.Makes you wonder now about those guns that don't shoot Huh !!!!!Bore scope seems like it is paying for it self already

[@Ultimatereloader]

Robert- sorry to hear about that! Perhaps someone re-chambered a used 223/5.56 barrel? That's horrible! Yes, these Benchmark barrels have perfect bores!

[@blacknine]

Reloading, Guns and Drones a trifecta, Awesome! Damn good shooting too.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks dude!

[@toddcarl1362]

Great videos Gavin. I built a 22-250 with the Bravo stock and love it. Looking at building a 224 Val. What magazine did you go with and where did you get it? Is the boltface a 6.8SPC and where did you get that? Thank you and keep making great videos.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Check this out: ultimatereloader.com/2018/11/01/224-valkyrie-remington-700-build-p7-aics-magazine-conversion/

[@j3ffsqrtan]

Sounds like you need to send some rounds over to @theguncollective lol Very interesting to see these wildly contrasting results. They had 6-12 inch groups at 500yds, compared to your

[@Ultimatereloader]

Good so far, I'm hoping I can get the 88s to group good- I think they will, but have more load development to do!

[@EtherFox]

TGC has only ever used garbage rifles to test 224V AFAIS. Can't even legitimately claim they're testing the caliber, they're basically claiming all AKs are complete garbage because one company makes bad rifles.

[@TheMitchbassman]

@@EtherFox So their claim on AK's bears on this subject how?

[@TheSonsOfSimon]

These videos excite the heck out of me. I was concerned about the 224 Valkyrie because of the early criticisms. Your videos seem to indicate that tuning your loads to your rifle is key. What barrel twists are you using? Also, how do you like the Trigger Tech trigger?

[@Ultimatereloader]

Trigger Tech is GREAT! My barrels are both 24", 1:7 from Benchmark barrel blanks...

[@josephbhumphrey]

I have a converted Savage 10 bolt gun with Krieger 22” barrel 1-6.5 twist spun up by Mile High. I seriously want to build a gas gun upper and see what the difference in brass abuse is. I think a lot of people poo pooing the valk are using guns that are out of spec, and over gassed, causing the brass to get abused harder and wear out faster. I have 3 loading on most of my Starline brass, 4 on the federal (3 reloads), and 2 firings on the Hornady and none of my primer pockets are loose. I’m using RL17 pushing the 88’s to just under 2750 FPS. I’m going to try H4895 and see if I can get close to the same velocity if not the next higher node with less pressures. I want to try the 80’s, but cannot find them in stock anywhere. Same with the 95’s. Right now the gun shoots better than I do. I’d love to see what it can do in the hands of someone who knows what they are really doing at range. 1st time shooting it at 1,000 in fairly stout Colorado winds without a spotter I hit about 50% on an 18” plate. Hits and misses are easy to see, this caliber barely moves the gun.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Good to hear you are having better luck with brass life- I'll compare notes when I run my tests!

[@scottc3165]

That is impressive. I'm researching because I need (haha) a varminter - maybe either 22-250 or 224 Valkyrie. Do you have a preference? Or is it apples and oranges?

[@michaeltaylor7436]

Gavin, you mention "velocity nodes" in this video, and I see the charts. I understand vibrational nodes that affect horizontal size of a group. Do you have any theories that might support velocity nodes? Great addition to the tool box if they are real for tagging low SD.

[@rilbertdsouza1598]

Awesome shooting

[@richardpiotrowski1043]

I find it interesting that my 70g RDF load for .223 is 26.3g of Varget. It is an awesome load in my Savage 12VLP. 1000 yards is pretty easy with it and I've taken it out to 1324 yards. (I quit after a 1st round hit because 1/1 at 3/4 mile with a .223 blew my mind.) Between this rifle and my 6.5CM, I don't find I have any desire to play with the Valkyrie and it's been collecting dust. It probably hasn't even had a box worth of ammo through it.

[@dbowman35]

88gr Hornady ELD's don't work well in the AR platform, projectile is longer than Sierra and catches the edge of your feed ramps.

[@jaysmith3396]

Shooting from moutain side to moutain side probly helped to sheild you from winds that sweep across the ground

[@charlesmckinley29]

I'm glad my 600 yard range doesn't have a valley like that.

[@davestein4162]

Great video. Perhaps I missed this but did you mention your choice of BCG, which barrels were used, twist rates and finally both scopes looked similar but what brand/magnification etc were they? Always enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Dave- it's all in the "224 Valkyrie Shooting and Reloading" playlist (I have separate lists for the rifle builds, AR-15 build not yet published). Here's the list: kzbin.info/aero/PLApPU7t86M4svpsuV0n7BphlTTOJHD1BG

[@Ultimatereloader]

Also- the BCG is a Sharps unit from one of my 25-45 Sharps rifles, and the bolt itself is a PRI 6.8 unit: www.midwayusa.com/product/363546/pri-bolt-ar-15-68mm-remington-spc-matte?

[@Ultimatereloader]

Barrels were chambered by myself on my Precision Matthews PM-1440GT lathe from Benchmark 24" barrel blanks with 1:7 twist, see: kzbin.info/aero/PLApPU7t86M4vxNNX2h4aOf3-QyfuVclkw

[@jaredmcginnis9232]

Would you mind disclosing the hand guard that you are using. I like the looks of it and might get one. Thanks.

[@billfrost5972]

The AR15 build... did you assemble that from parts you purchased - or did you build it yourself? I would seriously love to buy a rifle from you. It is clear that you enjoy your craft and want to share it with others.

[@DemonHammer00]

Congrats on the results!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks!

[@donwallace7354]

It's interesting that you're getting such good results, given the abundance of reports of less-than-expected accuracy. It sounds like you've built fine rifles, and given the comments below regarding the variability of chambers, that is certainly a factor. As far as the utility of the 224V over the 223, though, that would seem to lie in the heavier bullet weights that the 224V. I can't wait to see if you are able to get your rifles to perform there, or if the magic really is in the faster twist barrel. By the way, have you considered whether you could rig a paint sprayer to your drone? It would save a lot of mountain climbing!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Don, thanks for the feedback! Funny you mention the "painting drone" - it's been a topic of conversation with a couple people :)

[@charlesmckinley29]

It looks like you ave to work as much to shoot your raffles as to build them. LOL

[@No1JetDoc]

I think I'd go straight to the 95gr. Seems like they stabilize better in a 1-7 than the 90gr smk.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Waiting for them from Sierra....

[@randallhodgson7077]

Testing Valkyrie vs heavy for caliber 5.56 wasn't impressed that much with the Valkyrie as my hand loads we're about the same velocity for 75 grain weighted rounds will still be testing more rounds in the future as I am rebarreling for the 1:6.5 for 224 Valkyrie.

[@Jarhead6]

Great shooting

[@nowornever2504]

How come there is hardly ever a video on .224 in the last 6 months?

[@NavUpNorth]

I’ve been searching and searching and they’re all 5 years old. I just picked up a .224 from PSA.

[@PC-vq5ud]

Have you tried Alliant MR-2000 powder in any of you loads? Shoots heavies in 223 well at very low pressure. It is advertised for heavies in 308 and 223, might translate.

[@kyleriley6027]

Hi Gavin, somehow I missed this video in you series. I'm wondering, I know you have put so much effort into muzzle devices and noticed it appears you do not use anything on these two rifles while shooting? can you say the reasons? or was it just something that happened so nothing behind it. I know you are very scientific with you tests and reasons so again just wondering if I missed anything. As always thanks for sharing all your knowledge and efforts with everyone as you have been a great help in many situations.

[@CarpfishingextremeUSA]

Great stuff as usual...

[@guitarrocker0991]

Btw a lot of people have been having luck with H4895 and Hornady 80gr ELD-m at 3000fps. I shot a .75" group with it yesterday at 2915fps at 100 yards. My best load for close in accuracy though is 26.5gr of CFE223 with 60gr VMax bullets. 0.5"@100 yards all day and I got 2nd in a 100 yard match with that load last weekend.

[@guitarrocker0991]

Just look up CJ James's load data on little red rockets in the "224 Valkyrie reloading" Facebook page.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks for sharing, I'll check that out!

[@glockasauruswrex6362]

Another great vid n happy subscriber! Good shooting too...

[@chethaynes5802]

Great Presentation :-D Thank You !

[@e.santerre2071]

Nice video - what twist rate are you using in this video?

[@LSMG2004]

Awesome video! Thank you!

[@npc-ej5yz]

Great video sir . Subscribed

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks man!

[@TJVarmint]

All the hype with the 224V was being able to run heavier bullets. Will you be experimenting with 90's or 88's or will you need to use a different twist?

[@Ultimatereloader]

Yes, still waiting on bullets from Sierra, and have been working with Hornady 88 grain ELD-M, but have more load development to do.

[@TJVarmint]

@@Ultimatereloader Great! Next time you chat with Gordy Gritters, tell him hello from me.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Will do Tony!

[@Belbivdevoe]

Have you had a chance to true your BC ? Usually people do it at 800

[@ednusso5442]

i dont see any reciect .224 Valkrie shooting ,i bought a CMMG put a Vortex 10 to 24 x50 bought som e factory ammo went out to the range and was getting 3/4 in. groups with all the ammo this was last year 2021 then i got covid jan 2022 was in hospital 3 weeks ,still recouperating havent been able to get back out yet ,but i bought a Dillon 550 and want to do some reloading. Very impressed with the caliber,looking for a bolt action ,savage ,and a few advertised the had guns but every one i tryed to get said " not availabe" i cant afford a custom one ,i am retired on fixed income. I am very impressed with my CMMG ,but would like to experiment with a bolt action ,do you know of any on the market? ilooked at all the earlyer videos from 2018 and 2019 and saw the any problems with the 224 was factory ammo. i saw thru all that and did my own comparisons and realised what a great caliber it is ,i hope shooters get passed all the bull and it takes off . Not inpressed with 6.5 Creedmore ,ill stick with .308 ,not mention 1000 round barrel life with the Creedmore ,i dont so. that you for all the great info you provide.

[@mitchvenem9574]

Would like to see a video comparing .224 valkerie to 6.5 grendel for an ar 15 it would be a hand built rifle and I can reload once I have the dies just want to see pros and cons for each for precision long range shooting I currently shoot out to 800 but would like to be able to go farther

[@PC-vq5ud]

My less than professional opinion, from the videos I've seen, the Grendal is a 600 meter round out of the AR. 140 gr loads seem to only get about 2400 fps. Don't think they will stay supersonic to 1000. 120 and 130 gr bullets start faster but you loose the high BC advantage. Hope the author answers too, I would like to see his thoughts.

[@neilb1619]

@@PC-vq5ud, if that's what you think, then Scott at Specialized Dynamics is doing it wrong... In a competition in Utah, he was the only competitor to hit a target at 1215yds with his 6.5Grendel. If you want a super-accurate AR in 6.5Grendel, speak to Specialized Dynamics. Their AR's are boringly super-accurate at 600yds. We started looking for smaller and smaller targets to hit, just for fun & to challenge ourselves (600yds was the max range available that day.) The cartridge is really NOT designed for bullets heavier than 123grn.

[@bennybruin7725]

Gavin what stock are you using on the bolt gun ? I really like the looks of that rifle

[@Ultimatereloader]

The bolt gun is using a KRG Bravo stock- it's amazing, esp. for the price: kineticresearchgroup.com/product/bravo-chassis/

[@georgezink8256]

BLC2 is my way to go

[@titofrost958]

Great idea using a drone. Can check the target without moving. Genius

[@Ultimatereloader]

The only way for me now! :)

[@wyattlehne9133]

gotta find a way for the drone to carry the spray

[@tittiger]

Love that plate hanger for a t-post at 1:18. Anyone have a link to a similar setup? thanks!

[@wadeswaner7060]

Eric is my freakin hero!!!!

[@Ultimatereloader]

I hear the gun range up in Chelan is awesome... :) :)

[@marcushom6789]

I would be interested in your results using PP 2000MR as I have heard from some of the guys who were in on the ground level with the Valkyrie this is their powder of choice.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Yes!!!! I have it in the shop, and plan to load with it, and RL-17 as well...

[@michaelgarcia6207]

What kind of 224 upper do to have on your AR I want to build one but everyone talks bad about them . What is the twist that you run ?

[@Rucksack57]

Great job loading a winner.

[@MrNiceKnife]

I’m in the counterproductive zone. Obsessing with load development. Shooting 6.5CM

[@Xplodicon]

Cool stuff! Interested to hear what you have to say about the .224 Valkyrie video released by IraqVeteren8888

[@Ultimatereloader]

Can you drop a link? I'll check it out!

[@orkboy59]

Chad and I have spoken about the Valkyrie quite a bit. I have noticed the same thing about brass life that he mentions in the video. I get maybe two loads out of the federal brass, depending on how hot the load is, before the primer pickets go to crap. The feebore of the chamber makes a huge difference on the accuracy of the rifle for this cartridge. I have a CMMG barrel and it will not shoot. What it boils down to is the chamber being cut correctly. If its not then there is little that can be done to make the rifle accurate regardless of twist rate of the barrel.

[@silentbob267]

@@Ultimatereloader Here is the link to that IV8888 video Xplodicon mentioned. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpCYYYJoq7KKgbM

[@markgreen1782]

Can you do a Video with a 60 grain Hornady V-Max. I am a predator hunter and would love to see a video on the light load and too see how it does at some distance. Thanks.

[@LeeBro999]

That’s negating all the positives of 224 vs 556

[@kurtturner5120]

what bipod are you using?

[@guitarrocker0991]

Take it to 1000!

[@Ultimatereloader]

bit.ly/2BDygv5

[@Ultimatereloader]

Just hung the target at 1000!

[@guitarrocker0991]

@@Ultimatereloader sweet!

[@Mrgone454]

So basically the .224 val is just a long range paper puncher that has less barrel life than a .223 and the only advantage over the .223 is that it fires a bullet that's 11 to 17 grains heavier than a 77 grain bullet... I guess long term exposure to lead vapors can really slow someone's innovation in cartridge development.

[@glockasauruswrex6362]

Try connecting consistently at 800 or 1000 yards with a .556. Good luck. Ballistically the 224 Valk out performs the 223 hands down...along with 6.5 Grendel n 22-250 @ distance

[@ohiovikingsfan9294]

I’m getting out of the Valkyrie. I reload and not worth it with brass life and isn’t as advertised.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Interesting- how many reloads are you getting from each case?

[@ohiovikingsfan9294]

gavintoobe 1 or 2. 3 if I wanna risk a blown primer

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks- I'll compare notes when I get to that point...

[@paulvenn4447]

Yeah, watching videos from Johnny's Reloading Bench and IV8888 (just this week) looks like the case manufacturers need to do some work on the case head area, very easy to get loose primer pockets after 2-3 firings.

[@Ultimatereloader]

@@paulvenn4447 I'm going to have to do some testing to see how many loadings I can get- they said that about 22 Nosler, and I got over 10 loadings out of that brass...

[@martincyr1370]

Good work and good shooting!😊🇨🇦

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks Martin!

[@mattkulbis2277]

Wondering if you single shot loaded the ar15 rifle to achieve the 1.75” group at 600?

[@allthecommonsense]

What result would single-shot produce vs. just letting it auto-feed? At the end of the day you have a cartridge in the chamber.

[@racer4ever33]

6 thumbs down? Who gives this a thumbs down? Seriously, what's wrong with people?

[@TexasTrained]

Gavin you are correct...I was over thinking at first too.I was hitting 800 yards with my 6.5 Grendel 1.15 inches group with my AR15 with 24 inch Bear Creek Arms barrel.. and I was 1.45 inches group with my Bolt Gun.. I expected the OPPOSITE results prior to shooting. It just goes to show you that YA NEVER REALLY KNOW what will happen.Great Video..Nice Shooting..I like that Drone idea.

[@ironmanlu21]

Lets see a 7mm Gallery.

[@woodpony34]

Whst kind of bolt gun is that???

[@umami0247]

Great job on both yeah you need to stretch it out and see what they can do. Then go to Utah and smack some milk jugs!!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Working on it :) See bit.ly/2Rm8Szt

[@jaq8657]

Drone, :-) what's the flight time [with which battery]?

[@Ultimatereloader]

About 20-25 minutes for each battery, and I have two. So you have to really plan your shooting at 1000 yards :)

[@billmccoy70]

What barrel are you using on your ar

[@dk17hmr]

Did I missed the velocity?

[@Ultimatereloader]

2905 FPS in the AR-15, and 2947 in the Remington 700!

[@dk17hmr]

@@Ultimatereloader a little slow for 70gr...seems to shoot though. My 223 Ackley bolt gun is push 3350fps with 69gr and CFE223

[@Ultimatereloader]

That's "cookin" :)

[@jasonmorris159]

What rail is on the ar?

[@rhettpapproth6329]

Ya iv done 3inshotat600prettynive

[@1187gar]

How’s the brass life.

[@Ultimatereloader]

I'll be checking that out shortly- I have over 1000 pcs new brass, and have been using that to start. I've heard brass life can be down around 2-3 loadings, but I'll test that myself! (they said the same of 22 Nosler, and I got 10 loadings from that brass).

[@cratxn1]

@@Ultimatereloader And what techniques or procedures allowed that increase in brass uselife ?

[@bigracer3867]

Looks like you spent a small fortune in machining equipment.

[@vincef5832]

Either the gun and shooter can shoot well or they can't.

[@pearlrival3124]

Valkyrie vs ARC anyone?

[@1MOA308]

What’s your drop at 600?

[@Ultimatereloader]

It's 3.71 MIL (80.1")

[@1MOA308]

gavintoobe thank you sir.

[@amascia8327]

Nice...