224 Valkyrie Factory Ammo Inspection

A look inside some 224 Valkyrie ammunition that uses the 90gr Sierra Match King.
UPDATED 09/27/2018 - All links have been removed to comply with KZbin content policies.
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[@jspauldo9216]

Guess you didnt learn your lesson from 22 Nos.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Guess you still don't understand the point of my KZbin channel.

[@chaz720]

JRB: What the people want is a video of you loading 1000 rounds of your leading mk 262 clone load in real time. You can get a second camera and do a picture in picture of your face wearing whatever expression a Dillion 1050 would have.

[@johnbyrne8024]

Johnny's Reloading Bench I’d love you’re reloading knowledge buddy.. really hope this round takes off! Do you think Hornady will get behind it? Thanks

[@Militaryarmschannel]

Great video my friend. I'm glad the ammo and brass made its way to you. Excellent content.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Thanks again, guys! I really appreciate it.

[@nilescoyote4829]

Some additional data points... I contacted JP Enterprises and they will be using +2" gas systems on their 20" & 22" barrels. When asked about velocity expectations with the 90 grain federal matchking they advised we should see around 2650 with the 20" and 2700 with the 22". Yes you will need a 6.8spc bolt (comes with JP Barrels) Yes you will need 6.8 magazines and yes the parent case is a 6.8 spc.

[@TennesseeFrank]

Interesting looking cartridge. As a handloader myself I like the way you go into detail about stuff so please, keep doing it, it's not boring to me and I'm sure other's find it interesting as well. If they can get a 100gr bullet in the .224 Val it should be a decent enough deer round on par with the .243 Win but with the higher B.C. of the heavy/long for caliber .224" bullet. I'll be watching to see how this cartridge works out. Hopefully it'll not be another dud like the 22 Nosler. Anyway, lovin' the channel, keep on keepin' on pard and I'll catch ya' later.

[@anchorbait6662]

Thank you Tim, thank you Johnny. This was totally was the perfect video, and I didn't even know it was what i needed. :)

[@WestDesertShooter]

I’ve had a few tell me I need to buy a Valkyrie as well. Not likely soon. I did see a guy neck Grendel down to 22 cal and shoot 80 Gr. ELDs at 3000 FPS from an AR which is pretty damn awesome!

[@vegapower454]

Over at 6mmAR.com, they make barrels in the .224AR cartridge. Says 36 grains of water for the case. Thats on a 6.5 Grendel case. Might be the one your talking about.

[@22lrmarksmen]

Mine goes 3100 with a 80 ELD-M. It'll also push a 90 @ 3000fps.

[@22lrmarksmen]

220 Russian has less case capacity because they blew out the shoulder angle and location on the Grendel.

[@WestDesertShooter]

Jim you are who I was talking about, definitely a cool build you just finished up! Id love to see some more long range footage of it, of course I know right now is tricky due to it being dark at 5pm

[@THutch556]

Great first look at this cartridge, Excellent work JRB. Really happy to see that it doesn’t have a rebated rim like the .22 Nosler, hopefully the brass will be more durable. A magazine fed 90 grain bullet with a high BC will be awesome. Keep up the great work.

[@dgunnut6550]

MAC is great and it's very cool they did that for you. Looking forward to seeing how the Valkyrie works out! Great intro video to the cartridge!

[@spyderxtra777]

Once the original excitement ran through my system and my brain began working correctly again....my take on .224V is that there is really no point in messing with it unless you shoot 600+yards. Of course, there being no point doesn’t meant you can’t play with it just for shits and gigs!

[@turbonium96]

The fusion load has been reduced to from 100 to 90, the 75 fmj bullet in the American eagle bullet is made by speer.

[@sturner1911]

Can't wait to see more of this cartridge. Been holding off on a 6.5 Grendel barrel, now this round is going to muddy the water some more for me.

[@bnicedanicest6288]

Black hole weaponry are supposed to start selling.224 Valkyrie as well JP rifles are taking orders 569.00$ but includes a matched headspaced bolt

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Oooooooo and then all you would need would be a spc mag?

[@virgilkane7369]

Some of those 90 grain .224 pills require a 1 to 6 barrel twist to stabilize properly . Love your channel .

[@everythingphil9376]

Loving your OCD methodologies!

[@lucasgardner6189]

Hey man, have you heard of .224 Valkryie?

[@evanhart5537]

When are you gonna make a 224 Valkyrie video?

[@Oregun]

Evan Hart he just did. ;-)

[@corradopsi]

Get the JP barrel, crazy accurate. I love mine in 223. How did the powder compare to tac?

[@rockyjones9956]

This video was greatly appreciated, and I think I will be on the bandwagon as well.

[@mediumugly4322]

I sometimes forget the number of subscribers you have and instantly think you should have at least 5 times as many

[@meanman6992]

Well, that's because the .224 Valkrie on paper sounds awesome! And people want to know if it lives up to the hype. Or if it's a flop like the .22 Nosler (that's my personal opinion) also that neck length. :D P.S. I have weighed a lot of 5.56 LC brass and noted it varies as widely as 5-6 grains over 100 pieces over a few years of different brass. I only mention that as a note curious how the other brass's may stack up in consistency (or lack there of) Also I agree on the twist, if there's already a real possibility of a 100gr .224 bullet for this cartridge, I'd think the bullet would be long enough you might NEED that 1:7 twist to ensure it's stable. *shrug* time will tell, good video, thanks for posting it.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Compass Lake Engineering and Odin Works both told me that if I’m a reloader definitely pass up the 22 Nos and wait for the 224 Valkyrie. Also the .564 BC on the 90 gr SMK is just the shit. I’ve had good luck with Federal Brass and gas guns in the past.

[@Taluvian]

Still think the sweet spot is the 6mm 110 gr SMK with .617 BC. I would like to see someone try that with this brass.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Taluvian - that particular SMK bullet you mention is the shit in 6mm Creedmoor with a BC of .617. IMO it would displace too much powder capacity in the 6.8 SPC case to make the Vo trade-off worthwhile in the small frame AR-15. I think it would act more like a 6 HAGAR or 6 AR Turbo - which the Valkyrie beats.

[@Honk_Clank]

I think they need a more ridiculous name, maybe .224 operator extreme tactical+++

[@LabRat1511]

Lol! That’s funny! Agree completely

[@LabRat1511]

Dude do you even Valkyrie? Lol! Great vidja!

[@BryanGrigsby]

Excellent video. I subscribed! I am going all in on this. I have a new upper and handguard, I just need the barrel and bolt, which I have ordered. You know, you have all the comments from guys considering this new cartridge for hunting, and targeting shooting, but one arena I think this is going to be a popular round is the PRS Gas Gun Tac Light division. Shooters are limited to a .224 caliber round, and this supposedly will shoot much flatter and further compared to even the .22 Nosler.

[@mudsslinger]

Savage is advertising the new AR .224 Valkyrie as competition ready , kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqTLq2WoqLGgeZY

[@RVPRH243]

Great video, look forward to some data once you get a barrel! Also Valkyrie vs. Grendel video/ comparisons!?

[@snteevveetns]

You lose 50% volume the closer you get to spherical. The best powder would be like a bee hive... So a smushed spherical makes sense. Great video and subbed.

[@Jet2416-Reloading]

@johnny'sreloadingbench - If a Datum line dimension for a cartridge is not available from the usual sources, take a measurement at the top of the case body at the bottom of the shoulder, then measure the diameter of the neck (unfired/resized case). Add the two numbers together and divide by 2. That is your Datum line measurement and the correct size headspace gauge.

[@calling4life]

Alliant Techsystems (ATK) was the parent company of Federal Cartridge, it has now split into Vista outdoor Inc and something else (this other one does the defense and aerospace stuff). Under Vista you find, Federal Cartridge, CCI, American Eagle, Savage Arms, Bushnell, Weaver, Simmons, Millett, Tasco, RCBS, Primos, and your Alliant Powder just to name a few. So don't be surprised when you see all these 224 Valkyrie reviews and the guys are running the Savage MSR 15 with a Bushnell scope on top, federal ammunition, coincidentally running Alliant powder. Not always, but you get the gist

[@petersouthernboy6327]

calling4life - I don’t see that as a negative at all. It takes deep pockets like ATK to successfully launch and maintain a new cartridge. Where would the 6.5 Creedmoor be without Hornady .

[@calling4life]

I don't consider it a negative either, as an aside, somebody please tell Sierra to make a 90gr tipped matchking for this, it'd make a killer coyote combo.

[@shanerhodes925]

I would say woth that short fat case woth a small diameter projectile. The powder burn rate would be a shade slower than standard 223 powder. Just a theory that's why they are using a longer gas system

[@johnmorgan4017]

Given the small amount of actual extra case capacity. 26grains behind a 90gr round is pretty hot. I run 26gr behind a 55gr 5.56 and it has pressure signs.

[@derekcooper7514]

22 nos also has a different shoulder angle from the 55.6 so it seats more affectively in battery and supposably aides in the powder burn efficiency, more engineering went into to the cartridge than people think.

[@stephenn2001]

and has less potential ballistics...I didnt say energy...I said ballistics. Will that 22 Nosler fly out to 1300 yards?

[@derekcooper7514]

It will fly out to a 1000 effectively which is all need to do and all had to do was a barrel change so I'm happy and so are many others

[@readallen]

Its not about how thick or hard it is, its how it cycles in the chamber.

[@tier1armorychannel53]

uhhhh that's what she said?

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Berger makes a 90gr VLD in .224 as well. BC is very close to the 6.5 VLD in fact.

[@f.p.santos1172]

Thanks for the info my favorite cartridge in the 556 family is the 69 gr Sierra my rifle loves it, but with that the more I look a ballistics for on the 90 gr for the Sierra match king I’m starting to think about an upper build now!!! Having a round that can fly at long distance along with high BC in the AR 15 platform its awesome!!!

[@s10v8dude]

Why can't i see the comments...o well, I think if I was looking for something along these lines, i would just do the 22 grendel. More case capacity to sling them faster. Look forward to these videos either way. More 6.5 grendel videos

[@cthomes57]

I'm curious to see what it does vs the 22/250. I know that you need a 308 ar 10 base and a barrel that have the right twist rate to stabilise the heavy bullet, but that could be fun to see.

[@thebaddest2562]

What do ya think about .224 valkyrie. Im sorry i couldnt resist. You are now officially my favorite channel, heeeeerrreeeessss johnny!

[@davidperkins6494]

Do you have an 6.8 SPC case? If I remember correctly, 22 Plinkster said the parent case was a 6.8 SPC. I also seem to remember MAC trying a 6.8 SPC bolt and it worked.

[@jordanhays732]

Love the introduction

[@ccwynn6657]

Thank you for doing what you do. You were very astute on measuring as-fired case stretch, by using what you were given by the Federal crew. (at Military Arms Channel).I had been fretting over limiting case stretch on Grendel 6.5 reloads The HDY unfired cases were really, really stretching in my Grendel chamber (so I thought). However my concerns have diminished after realizing from your measurements and report on the Valkyrie cases in this video, that the SPC 6.8 case ued in the Valkyrie is not stretching any less than my Grendel cases.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

I have discovered that more case stretch is caused by pulling the expander ball out through the resized neck than firing in the chamber. Solution is to push the neck expander down through after the neck is resized. This almost eliminates case stretch.

[@Liemciemdk89]

Pressure signs +2 gas not good was hoping that could load 224 valkyrie hotter. Amazing that nobody else reports on the brass

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

The good thing about this cartridge is that we'll have a bunch of different brass options. Lots of things use the same bolt face so we can form brass on our own if the 224V brass ends up sucking.

[@samdelaet3587]

I'm ready to get this going myself! Now to order my upper!

[@USAACbrat]

there is also a 7mm Valkyrie made on the same case it is like a 7mm mauser in an AR

[@thejohnnybob]

Tim 0neill Mad Dog Weapon Systems makes all the components for that round. It's a damn laser beam to 400yds.

[@USAACbrat]

Great, you will be able to hunt anywhere. with an AR 1 shot deadly 50-150 yds where most people shoot. lots of bullets for handloading.

[@Mockingbird57]

I'd smell the powders. I have very sensitive smell and can tell a lot about things by how they smell. It would be interesting to see which reloading powder the valkyrie stock powder smells like or comes close too.

[@robertrechsteiner4433]

I reload a lot of .223 for my ar. Keep having issues with my lee resizing and decap die pin bending! What are your thoughts on a better die to use? I’m newer to hand loading my dad did it with his dad now I do it not really for money savings but for accuracy and it’s a nice hobby love watching your videos and I reload to them as well using my own load data of course

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

Robert Rechsteiner are you trying to reload factory loaded 5.56 brass. Some mil-spec loads have a small piece of brass in the way of the de-priming pin. Another thing is making sure the case is centered under the de-priming pin and not slightly off. This is unlikely but possible

[@s10v8dude]

I use a lee universal decapper, then clean. I have taken my sizer and pulled the decapping pin up so it is not in use. I also bought extra strong decapping rods for the universal decapper.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

The Lee decapping and expander rods are pretty stout, so something must be wrong. Someone else mentioned making sure the case gets centered and I would agree with that. However, by the time the decapping pin hits brass, you would think that the resizing die would have already centered the case at least a little bit. You might try raising the decapping pin up into the die a little bit, which should give the die a little more time to get things aligned before contact is made. Other than that, I would say to just be easier on the up-stroke so you can feel problems before they bend your pin. I like to "feel" the case up into the die rather than go at it with a bunch of force, and that has saved me from bending or breaking things a lot of times. It might slow down your process just a little, but it's worth it. Especially while you work out your problem. Good luck!

[@pstick]

what brass are you using? I noticed some of the cheaper brass the flash holes are not center. Perfecta is real bad for this issue.

[@robertrechsteiner4433]

pstick a lot of the brass is lake city or fc head stamp haven’t gotten to my virgin brass picked up 600 rem brass for 45 bucks couldn’t pass that one up

[@annasajerk]

I'm hugely interested to see what 75 and 77 grainers will do out of this

[@spyderxtra777]

nope it fires them 150fps faster than a 5.56..... the real point of this round is to shoot the 90gr smk into targets at 600-1200yds, that’s where it shines, otherwise there really isn’t much of a point other than “just for kicks”

[@colsoncustoms8994]

It might also be effective on deer with a 100 + grain load like the "swine smasher". 6.8 or 6.5 would do the same thing in that situation though.

[@spyderxtra777]

It should work well enough, but again, not worth buying a 224V as a hunting round if you don't also plan on using it for long range target shooting.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Yep, I would agree with that.

[@pr4runner]

I like the concept, I also like 6.5 Jet a lot.

[@allenporter6766]

And what is a 6.5 Jet based on? And what kind of velocity can we expect from it?

[@dontask8979]

Extra weight is in the rim. Cut one length ways just for fun.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I thought about that but I don't have a really good way to cut them cleanly. I might try it someday.

[@jeffyoung2089]

Great information !

[@joet1109]

You should do a video on. 225 valkerye!

[@boxy8438]

The foreshadowing of the case made me laugh out loud.

[@bryanross3466]

Good job! I have to start saving for this now. Maybe the prices will come down after the new wears off a bit.

[@dannyarcher3534]

You mentioned the powder may not be available to us - why would some powders not be available to the public??

[@GenScinmore]

win 760 was my guess. great vid

[@Ebaybow]

Thanks for breaking this all down. I am so ready to get my own work ups with the cheap 75gr ammo to Sierra match king 69-77 and Speer soft point varmint ammo. The question is how durable the nickel plated brass will be...

[@bigredtruck42]

I'll stick with 6.5 Grendel

[@jeffpittman8725]

Gotta try the new Hornady Sub-X bullet for 300BLKT.

[@DMHal01]

Jeff Pittman - will they release the bullets for reloaders? Don't see them anywhere on Hornady's site.

[@CallofDoobie585]

Johnnys Reloading Bench the original case for 224 valkyrie is a 6.8spc necked. I wasnt sure if u knew that. Just tossin it out there

[@njgrplr2007]

In my opinion, the powder looked closer to Win 760.

[@txarmory2394]

Johnny: Great early look at this cartridge. But I have one question, and that is why? What is the niche, or purpose, of this round? Do you see a potential advantage over the 6.5 Grendel?

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I don't see it as superior to the Grendel in any way. I guess on paper they say it can stay supersonic a little longer for long range work, but outside of that I don't see them as comparable. I'll take a 123gr bullet for deer or hogs over a 90gr bullet every day of the week. People like 22 caliber. That's really all there is to it.

[@DMHal01]

TXARmory - it's not supposed to replace the Grendel. It's supposed to give competition shooters the edge at the 600 yard line and for PRS small bore.

[@ostiariusalpha]

The .224 V has better wind resistance and flatter trajectory, but the Grendel has the power for when you want a hunting round.

[@edp3421]

When you’re comparing all those rounds together I am curious why didn’t you throw the 6.8 in there

[@recklesswhisper]

Did you notice on the live round they sent you, it has a seating die ring around the bullet? Yep! ^..^~~

[@dadajackyo]

I'm pretty confident the 224 will use something between RL-15 and RL-17 in burn rate for the best velocity. Unfortunately, I can only think of BL-C(2) and H-414. Maybe Varget will be a good compressed powder load for it. If I ever do get one, and that's a big IF since I hate overbore cartridges, I'll shoot it in a bolt action anyway.

[@virgilkane7369]

The .224 Valkyrie is not overbore . Not like a 220swift anyway .

[@thepoorfarmer8829]

Dull finish probably comes from being in a factory load that’s gone through transit and has been shaken around by many hands along its journey to your reloading bench. Imo

[@Robert82]

Just subbed... nice channel .. great video

[@theelwhastrummer7166]

I'm commenting, even though this video is 4 years old...I'm seeing a theme, where many of these fast moving, small bore cartridges are loaded overly hot, and all seem to show pressure signs on the brass. And that said, in my world, I'm reloading a lot of .308 Winchester and 7.62x51. After shooting several boxes of factory ammo, upon examination of the brass, I am finding pressure signs on it, too. Like.. wow man, your ammo is rough on my gun, and some of the brass isn't even useable for reloading because the rims are destroyed and there are burrs, and there are blown primers...even though they are crimped.. which is another pain in the ass, as it makes it much harder to re prime.

[@DominicZelenak]

NATO spec ammo and hunting loads are loaded very very hot. Match and target ammunition seem to adhere to loading manuals much better. If the crimped primer pockets are giving you issues, I recommend the Dillon Precision Super Swage 600. It works great for me, and comes with everything you need for 5.56 and 7.62 NATO.

[@8castrojuan8]

It’s possible to decap a live primer! Is it recommended?

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I do it all the time and haven't had one go off yet. I try to be as safe as possible when doing it, though. Look away from the press, make sure you don't have a primer tube full of primers in your press, get as far from the press as possible.

[@tobypatton8198]

Where so you think the term "blow your face off" originated? Nah it's all good if your carefull.

[@glenc4173]

Recommend no, safe enough yes. Just take it slow and turn your head

[@levstrunnikov2614]

Sick stuff! Great review. Greets from Russia!

[@ripfletching]

Have you been shooting the 224 Valkyrie with the 6.5 twist compared to the seven just curious on how it’s shooting for you now

[@christmaspopcorn87]

I'll do you better ... Barnes has 100 gr load data rated @ 2901fps and g9 makes a 103gr bullet with a bc of .554 that adds up too 272 in drop at 1000yds and 70.1 in wind drift

[@bungalobill7941]

Will 224 Valkyrie work with Glock Mags??

[@jevonreinert4033]

Hey, are you going to look into 224V ?!?!?! Lol

[@brianfish7904]

Am I off-base here? This looks like a necked down 6.8 SPC 2 case. I don't undersand why they wouldn't neck down a 6.5 grendel case to a take a 6mm 105 grain bullet. I know 6mm AR is already a thing and trademarked so that might be the only reason, but I figure grendel has cheap steel cased and if you're hand-loading, a grendel case with a 6mm bullet seems superior in every way.

[@DMHal01]

Brian Fish - it's already in existence it's called the 243 LBC...BHW makes the barrels and they shoot better than they're priced.

[@ostiariusalpha]

The 7.62x39mm rim diameter rounds, loaded with 6mm bullets, have dominated mini-action precision competitive shooting for over a decade. The Valk can match their ballistics, but with less recoil.

[@talkeetna911ify]

Savage has one out now

[@northcarolinagunenthusiast6532]

How much space is the magazine when the round is in it? So you can push the bullets out.

[@jeffsimon2144]

MAC likes it.

[@thepoorfarmer8829]

Rebated 22 Nosler loses much weight in its head vs 224valkyrie brass

[@mikewho4220]

Do a vid on 224 Valkyrie

[@boblane5169]

Already have a 6.5 Grendel do not see the need or advantage of this cartridge???

[@colsoncustoms8994]

I think the only one would be flatter shooting or that last few hundred yards of super sonic flight out past 1,000 yards.

[@michaellawton5051]

I have a Grendel to. An if you necked it down to .224 it would push those 90 grainers faster an further. More case on the Grendel. I think they used the wrong case.

[@boblane5169]

I would be willing to bet that shooting a Grendel with the 264 diameter Hornady 90 gr V-Max the difference would be very negligible using the right powder, load, and primer combination.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

check out the 224 AR

[@boblane5169]

OK thanks, watched some videos and I guess if you want to shoot out past 1000 yards, it's just something that I wouldn't do, but I'm sure there are people on here that do and are interested. I just bought the Thompson Compass in 6.5 Creedmore and am more interested in the videos for that and the Grendel, enjoyed the 300 Blackout series. If you are reading this "Thanks Johnny" used to reload pistol years ago, then had kids, had my traveling job for 45 years and just retired, and now because of your videos and a very good friend of mine in TX I started reloading again. Have loaded 308, 300 Blackout, Grendel, and will soon be doing the 6.5 Creedmore, 45 ACP, 9 mm, and 357/38 if my Christmas list gets filled. Hopefully after the first of the year I can start to support you a little, but it's a pain being on a fixed income and have a hobby like this too. 👍👊

[@turbonium96]

Talking to a federal rep, powder in the power pro2000burn rate

[@TimKollat]

Ive figured theres no real reason for all these wildcats. The 223 is all Ill ever need for a 22cal. I got excited about the 22 nosler but lost interest. The 223, and or the 6.8 SPC is all I would ever want or need in an AR platform, unless of course stepping up to the AR10 platform then its a whole different ballgame. The only reason I see for this 224 Valkyrie is for guys wanting that little extra distance with their ARs, or maybe a little extra punch

[@DMHal01]

mojo jojo - or for competition match long range with small framed AR's!

[@markmcguire920]

prob a 205 primer

[@308guy8]

Looks kinda like a short mag

[@jh5869]

Hey man, I got an email yesterday from Patreon saying they were changing their fees to their creators. Now, all donations will be reduced by $.35 plus 2.5%, or there about. How is this going to affect what you’re doing? Just concerned for you Brother. I’m excited for the new cartridge, too!

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I am going to run the numbers and see what the best option is for people doing $1-$3 per month. I think those are the only people getting shafted. I'll let you know before the next Patreon pledges are processed at the end of the month. I need to review the options.

[@JayJay3Fifty7]

Reloading porn. Subscribed.

[@stephenn2001]

welcome to the club! You can watch this all you want and NOT feel guilty lol

[@Bannaclip]

I wanted to guess alliant 2400 for some odd reason.

[@Bannaclip]

And maybe a cci sr primer?

[@BryanGrigsby]

So I had a thought...if this case capacity is really only allowing you to seat a heavier .224 bullet and stay within the COAL for a box magazine, how is it able to produce the numbers Federal is talking about, "super sonic out to 1300 yards"? The volume of the case was not that much different from a 5.56 case, so I would assume your powder loads would not be that much different? I'm just trying to think through the variables that would allow this cartridge to deliver what they are saying. So far it just sounds like a bullet with a much better ballistic coefficient, but chamber pressures similar to that of 556? Or does case design also have something to do with it?

[@DMHal01]

Bryan Grigsby - I was thinking the same thing. I've made the mistake of jumping into new cartridges based on hype years ago and learned that I'll wait a year or so after a cartridge release for more in depth review before forking over my cash.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

When you start crunching the numbers for long range shooting, high bc is extremely important. A gain of .05 can make substantial difference. If you can get high enough gains in bc, you can even drop velocity and shoot further super sonic. I was blown away by this when comparing cartridges like 6.5 Grendel to standard lower bc .308. The 308 has a heavier bullet, and is traveling faster out of the barrel, but the 6.5 will out shoot it since the bullet slows down so much faster with the 308. Obviously high bc bullets in the 308 platform gives you the same gains, but it does illustrate the point pretty well. Completely changed how I view ballistics. I agree with D Hal that we need more solid data to confirm their claims but on paper so far, it looks good.

[@DMHal01]

Colson Customs - true story, I do like the idea behind it but if Arne Brennan gets his way I'll be going with a 257 Raptor instead since I reload and I have so much 5.56 brass.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Have you looked at the 277 Wolverine?

[@DMHal01]

Colson Customs I have it in a TC G2 12.5" im selling on GB, I think it's a little hyped because I could only get it to 90% of a 6.8 SPC and that's standard SAMMI 6.8 SPC ammo not hot loads like what SSA sells. It's easy to load for and it does extend the range beyond the 300 BLK but not huntable range passed 300 yards.

[@RaspingPompano2]

Hey you going load 224? Do you know anything about 224? Just kidding

[@freshfowler1398]

What do you think of .224 Valkyrie?

[@22lrmarksmen]

What's the measurement of a loaded neck vs. fired?

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

.251 before firing, .259 after. Thanks! I did remember to measure that but forgot to mention it in the video.

[@22lrmarksmen]

Johnny's Reloading Bench that's a lot of expansion.

[@22lrmarksmen]

That's a lot of expansion. Not good for brass life. I just made a custom reamer (had it made of course) for a 224 Grendel. Mine has much less expansion. It looks like it'll smoke the Valkyrie. I really wonder why they chose the 6.8 case to start this out on. Seems like they almost did it right. Check out my first day out with mine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gp2mg6ygZ7WGa6M

[@paulharveu526]

What bolt does the .224 use?

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

Paul Harveu same as the 6.8spc far as I know. Uses 6.8spc magazines as well

[@georgiabeaverreapers4791]

What about 22 Creed moor

[@shermdog6969]

Do you think this might be a good hunting round?

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I think it would be with the right bullet selection. Right now there is a limited selection of very heavy, expanding .224 bullets. I'm interested to see how available the Federal Fusion bullet will be to us reloaders. Outside of whatever they come up with, the 75gr Swift Scirocco is the heaviest hunting bullet I know of. I need to look around a little closer and see if others are available. Mostly match stuff in that weight class, though.

[@shermdog6969]

Johnny's Reloading Bench yeah. I'm looking for a new antelope cartridge. Love my 243 but when you have an AR you just want to use it and I'm not satisfied with 6.8 or 6.5. Great rounds but can't replace my 243 for lopers. Love the channel.

[@shaundoodles]

22 PPC/224 AR has better performance out of the same package.

[@peterrodolfy22]

When are you going to do 28 Nosler?

[@jdirt1982]

So what's the estimated fps with a 90 grain smk ??????.😍

[@annasajerk]

Joe Dirt 2750 out of a 20 incher

[@SKIPPYISAAUSSIE]

On one federal box I seen advertised 2700fps for the 90SMK My .223 bolt gun is shooting 80 VLDs at 2920 fps with 25.0grns I’d ADI 2208 ( rebadged for USA as Varget ) shoots so good it’s boring 😆 With all this buzz about this new wiz bang round. It peaked my interest. But me thinks I’ll stick to what I have atm. The thing looks like a .22 dasher. I understand it’s made for a AR platform. But a Fast Twist 22-250 can have the higher BC pills zipping out quite fast.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Very interested to see how this cartridge does. Can it still fire a 55 grain or is it kind of relegated to 70+ grain longer range bullets?

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Oh yeah, and for most applications, why wouldn't you use the bullet that gives it the advantage. I was just asking if it could even shoot them. Not sure if the throat is relieved in such a way for the longer bullets that it wouldn't shoot lighter ones correctly.

[@jacobzachary5631]

... I think there may be some guys that do this for yote hunting... maybe not 55s but 60 grainers will for sure get tried. I posted another comment about some things I have heard and seen about neck legnth of the case and internal case geometry effecting throat erosion. I don't think it will be as bad as a nosler even loaded light, but we will see. that said, twist rate is NOT going to be ideal for a 55 if it is IDEAL for a 90... I think your gona have to try lightening bullet a bit at a time and seeing what the stability is like. I've heard weird things happen especially to bonded bullets when you start spinning them that fast (de-lamination)

[@colsoncustoms8994]

People have been saying "omg it's going to be such a barrel burner" but 55 grain 5.56 is hauling butt yet they don;t have the same concerns with it toasting bores. I can't imagine that a 90 grain bullet running at 2,700fps will be any more rough on a barrel than a 5.56 at 2,900+ fps.

[@Mark-pp2ty]

Good job. Best way to get brass and which bullet. Just put one on lay away. Stag arms . What powder. Thank you for the work. Thank you for the video

[@mmgunbroker8634]

What is the angle of the shoulders on the brass?

[@monsaface]

30 degrees.

[@1964JEDAGI]

Is it a 6.8 necked down to 22 cal ?

[@pstick]

yes.