224 Valkyrie - Light bullets with 1:6.5 twist barrel

Is a 1:6.5 twist barrel too fast for light bullets in 224 Valkyrie? This is a test of 13 different bullets ranging from 50-63 grains. The test upper is by White Oak Armament.
/ johnnysreloadingbench
/ reloading

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

My channel is not dead, folks. Thanks for your patience and there's much more to come. I've just been in a funk and dealing with some other projects lately. Stay tuned. I'll be posting more regularly very soon. Thanks!

[@slack3r21]

Was starting to get worried. Glad you are back man, I look forward to your videos more than any TV show on the air.

[@geraldbondoc5974]

Johnny's Reloading Bench Welcome back, bro! Hope nothing serious...

[@wbsa8941]

Gotta like how the Nosler bullets shot !

[@reloadeverything8695]

Hey man no problem I think the Valkyrie didn't live up to the name and hype it was given it shoots 5.56 loads great but what's the point of pushing heavy bullets slow like a 5.56 when it was said to push those bullets fast might as well have a 5.56 IMO I really enjoyed the vid great groups man to bad federal don't watch your channel or they would know their twist rate claims are fishy

[@s10v8dude]

I was really missing your videos. Glad to see ya back on here!

[@daverodkey]

I built a .224 Valkyrie with the Wilson Combat 1-6.5 SS fluted 22" Super Sniper barrel. I have only fired the factory 75 FMJ rounds from it but 5 shots covered with a dime is ZERO problem. And those were fired using a stock Mil Spec trigger, it was like attaching a string to your finger and tying a 10lb rock to the end and dragging it across 2B gravel ! I just added a 3lb single stage drop in trigger, anxious to take it out again. I will be trying the 88 and 90 grain slugs too. Once I get a couple hundred once fired brass accumulated I will break out the hand loading equipment and do some super fine tuning loads. .224 Valkyrie is an awesome cartridge, just have to jump off the FAST TRACK media train.

[@lamenoodles7282]

I'm glad to hear this I just bought the same barrel a few days ago!

[@blindguardian863]

Recent subscriber here. Just wanted to say I’m loving the videos man. I’ve been waiting for another to come out after watching a lot of previous content. Keep up the good work.

[@quick475]

Wow! That upper will shoot anything well. I need one. Good job White Oak Armory! And you too Johnny ;)

[@aklaunch]

Excellent video. This type of conclusion "slide show' is just as good as the normal videos where we watch each shot. Another 22 Nosler series would suite me fine. Kind of a 1 last chance thing. These light bullet videos make me happy because i am a coyote hunter. Some time in-between youtube videos just makes each one more quality.

[@singleshot2218]

You have certainly dispelled a lot of mystery with this cartridge Johnny. Thanks for all you do..and too bad you have to send that upper back. Take care.

[@BigRigOutdoors]

Glad to see you are back!!

[@Zach1991z]

Miss the 4-5 videos a week but everyday I come home from work and you post a video it’s like Christmas keep up the good videos

[@WestDesertShooter]

Wow man excellent all across the board. And that 15 shot group was incredible!

[@TheSonsOfSimon]

I saw the thumbnail and got excited. Gonna pause this and go grab some coffee. I appreciate your content!

[@300blk8]

Another great video Johnny

[@jordanhays732]

I missed your channel so much I put the 6.5 Grendel play list on and fell asleep. Miss ya bud glad to see you again

[@mark16443]

you know your doing good when .912 groups are considered mediocre. keep up the good work, love the videos!

[@Thorsaxe777]

Johnny, Thanks for another great video series on the .224 Valkrie. when you first started down this road you knew about the twist rate thing, You combated this by making reasonable thinking based on experience choices. refining the overall and not chasing the exception. Back when I was shooting High Power NRA Match, Many of us really throttled the .5.56 to perform with heavier bullets and the result was the same, Blown out primer pockets and ruined case life. I believe that there is threshold value's that can't be overcome at this juncture in extream pressure using small/medium capacity type cases for this application. the 22-250 is based on a larger capacity case, however, the twist rate is all wrong for heavier bullets. also, the case length is too long for the standard AR platform. Keep up the good content, always a treat to view your evaluations. Dave.

[@benjaminnevins5211]

And this was the point my target camera stopped working.... I was expecting you to pick up wreckage again.

[@jasonp6270]

I like this video because I built a valkyrie and was looking to use it on deer and coyotes without going from 90 to 60 grain bullets all the time on factory loads. Thanks for the info lots of help.

[@geesss8675]

Thank you for your amazing efforts and videos.

[@AkA-me-Kenny2]

Great loading & shooting! I must say though at my age to be watching you shoot, those groups, I don't know that I could have held my breath so often to wish the last shot into each group. Question when you have a great group going, and the last shot will make or break the group, do you think I help or should I try to relax and enjoy no matter what? I don't know how you do it, you are the man!

[@TheReloaderDude]

Awesome Job!!! Excellent results. 👍👍

[@sharppointy8629]

I run those Varmageddon's in 223, 25.4 gr of 8208xbr gives me about 1/2 inch groups also, in the summer. The groups seem to have opened up with the winter temps.

[@maxchalice5625]

Good to hear Johnny, would you consider doing a video on how you record your data. Load workup, chronograph data, targets... Stuff like that. Do you keep it on paper or electronically? Maybe you could add it to the beginner series. I'm new to reloading, infact I haven't even started yet. Got most of the stuff though. Keep up the hard work and thanks for all that you do.

[@243Outdoors]

Those were some nice groups. I think the 6.5 twist is the way to go if available.

[@ccwynn6657]

The sole reason for a Valkyrie being long heavy bullets with high BC (.580). So why do you decide on anything using a 6.5 20" bbl shooting light varmit bullets, that normally perform well in a vanilla AR-15?

[@randalloc]

@@ccwynn6657 It is not the sole reason as Federal who was behind the whole cartridge has a 60g Nosler round for varmint hunting! It is flexible to both medium and long range work. .. and I am pretty sure in a pinch it would work at 100 yards.

[@ElTerrible666]

3:50 Those Sierra’s where made down the street from where I live. They moved from California in the late ‘80s, early ‘90s.

[@EthanJLongoria]

I feel like you should have taken it down to 45gr and maybe even 40 and not gone over 60gr. However, I’m really glad you hit 55gr area pretty well. It’s what I load with 4064 to great success in 223. Anyways, I’d like to say thank you for having this channel. I thought I knew a lot before I subscribed and feel like I’ve learned so much more from this channel. Keep up the good work, hope all is well.

[@reloader7sixtwo]

Nobody can ever accuse you of not covering the bases. These videos are like watching a reloading manual coming to life.

[@joelclark2130]

Yeah if the brass won't hold up it's pretty much an obsolete reloading cartridge it's not worth the pain. Yes the groups are great really loved your video. Good to see you back ,and I would like to see a video on 223 Ackley improved. I bet the Ackley improved can do everything the valkyrie can do and a lot more like not burn your brass out

[@xDiiEZELx]

Maybe some more revolver action soon? I picked up some HP-38 and some hollow base wad cutters. Still haven't built my bench to try out my Lee Challenger kit. But I'm excited. I was looking in the load data for HBWC and the starting loads for 38special are above the max for 357magnum. I think it has to do with swaged lead and it needing to be lower speeds, it's just odd.

[@guitarrocker0991]

This is super cool! I've been afraid to load anything lighter than 60gr VMax for my valk and my barrel is only 1:7 twist!

[@garysnyder527]

Looks like we are back to mostly work and no play. Two posts in the last four weeks. Hang in Johnny.

[@J9_j3]

Johnny, hurts to see that rust on your Hornady microjust seatting die. disassemble it and put rusty parts into vinegar it'll convert the rust. alternatively if you afraid of acid effects on your surface, you can also boil it it should convert red oxide into black magnetite (essentially bluing)

[@motorgearhead]

Great channel! You’re content is very useful. I know you mentioned your use of quickload in other videos... have you ever used it to predict accuracy nodes associated with barrel harmonics? I don’t have quickload but did watch a video that suggested this was possible by crunching data from know accuracy loads then calculating barrel harmonics. Have you done this or based on your knowledge, does this sound possible with quickload. I guess the last question is do you find yourself using quickload often in load development if other commercial load data is available. Any insight would be appreciated.

[@mikesimpson6757]

I would love to see you test the 450 Bushmaster!

[@TALLA300CforumZ]

good shooting look like you had a ton of fun

[@224Nisqually]

I have interest in light bullets for the fast twist Valkyrie. I am preparing for April ground squirrel shoot on alfalfa pivots. I will shoot an a factory CMMG Endeavor with with a 24 inch barrel. I replaced the trigger with a Diamond-Tech and the Muzzle Brake with an Aero Precision VG-6 because the factory brake had a lot of bounce off the rest. I have been seeking long for weight varmint bullets. I will hunt this year with the 60gr V-Max. I have shot groups that rival yours, six shots in .441 at 300 yards. I am using IMR-8208 and CCI 450 primers to get 3040 fps. I have tried the Barnes 50 gr Varmint Grenade and Nosler 55 gr Varmagedon with similar results but I do not have enough time to tune loads with those bullets. I have 7 other rifles from .17 Fireball to .243 WSSM to tune. All bullets are HBN coated all barrels nitrocarburized. Looking at your data, I am particularly distressed by the fall off from over 3000fps with 55gr Ballistic Tips to 2850 with your 60gr offering. That doesn't seem right. Distance to lands? I can get the 60gr V-Max into the lands and the base of the bullet is still below the neck.

[@reddemon652]

Great video! Well we learned you defiantly have skill in this video. As well as the suppressor definitely is taming the barrel harmonics. Lastly an ar platform is capable of the same precision that of a standard bolt action!!😀 Awesome!

[@ronl384]

Great video-I'm curious to know if there is anybody out there who has reloaded 2-5 times using Starline brass and the low velocity loads you show here, to see if the primer pockets held up as opposed to as you say the bigger loads? Also- if you crimp, what crimp are you using?

[@alexbonetti584]

Thank you for your videos ...I bought a 20 in 6.5 twist barrel from Wilson Combat 1 week ago because of this information....tks a lot... P.S Which magazines do you recommend for 224 Valkyrie?

[@bd65shooter]

Send them a check, instead of the upper!

[@chipherrick5121]

I agree

[@codenameheirbornewithrobbi7418]

start a "help Johnney keep his white oak armament upper" fund

[@tinncan]

Really they should give him 5 more barrels for the advertising...

[@kylewilliams8634]

Hopefully someone might have some insight, but if you were to increase the barrel length to 22" or 24" with that 1:6.5 twist do you think the increased velocity would then have an effect on the lighter rounds? I see WOA makes those lengths too but I'm assuming they're not as concerned with the lighter varmint rounds as they are the heavier long range pills. GREAT content!! You sold me in that barrel considering I was already looking at it for my build.

[@wizardny]

You need to try the 60gr Vmax. I found those to be the most accurate of the ones I have tried out of my 223.

[@reedpond6867]

I would like to see how much difference there might be with a 5R profile barrel at 20" and 24"???

[@thebigmansoutdoors]

Great information as always. It was interesting to hear your opinion of the 1:6.5 vs 1:7 twist. My own experience is with the 1:7 twist in a 24" barrel. I was wondering if I choose poorly when I could not get factory loads to group. Once I started hand loading I started to get much better results than using factory loads. Have not ventured bullets that light yet as I have stared with 75 gr bullets and been working up. Hind sight being 20/20, if I had an option to get a 1:6.5 twist barrel when making my purchase, I might have, but I do not see enough evidence at the point to go change from my 1:7 to 1:6.5. My 1:7 twist seems to be shooting pretty good. I agree that the twist might not be as big a deal as it is made out to be. I could be wrong but again, as you said, if you get a good barrel and upper, you might be alright. Getting the proper load sorted out always helps to..

[@ccwynn6657]

Try some higher pressure (higher velocities) out of your 24" 1:7 twist, if you want to stabilize the BC580 long heavy bullets. Sierra is not high pressure recipes. Some of their recipes generate soot down the neck and body of the case. This means weak pressure loads.

[@thebigmansoutdoors]

​@@ccwynn6657 I am working up some loads using Reloader-16 and H4350 that are getting velocities up around 2700 fps for the 90 grain smk. They seem to be grouping pretty good.

[@lanenebraska3322]

Any chance you could compare 223 and Valkyrie shooting the 55g Barnes TTSX, and see how much more speed the Valkyrie can produce with good accuracy? Many hunters would like to know, and it would prove to me whether to invest in the Valkyrie.

[@pcbulletempire9872]

Great job Johnny, 👍👍🇺🇸🤓

[@paulvenn4447]

Johnny is literally writing the book on 224 Valk loading

[@Mark-pp2ty]

Hi, is the valkri going strong as I was considering one instead of 6.5 cm or 6mm creedmoore in a stag arms or alex pro hunter . Thank you for the video and help

[@rapidrrobert4333]

Am I crazy for sticking to my trusty .22-250? The twist is 1:13, so it doesn't shoot heavy bullets well, but with Hornady 52gr. match and 34 gr. of H4895, I managed to do one hole @100 yards, and a 2.5 inch group @ 300. I'm an old fart, and stuck in the SW revolver mentality. Old school is what got us where we are today. I hunt with a Win model 70 in 30.06, another classic.

[@daviddale3624]

Really enjoyed that. Yep, the 6.5 Twist performed well. The whole point of the Valkerie was to allow you to extend the useful range of the standard AR platform (AR-15 not 10). Yes it will work with lighter bullets, and very well based on this data. Hard on primer pockets just like the Creedmore craters primers. Both of these are classic pressure signs.

[@ccwynn6657]

I am shooting used Hornady Match cases with the crimp ring primer retainer. I get 5X usage running high pressures (high velocities). Federal (who has made probably billions of crimp ring primer retainers) should follow HDYs example.

[@daviddale3624]

@@ccwynn6657 Are you referencing the "swage"? Post a picture please.

[@ccwynn6657]

Yes, the swage, used properly, keeps radial pressure on the replacement primer cup. Those who machine away the crimp ring, lose the crimp ring advantage. All the reloader needs to do is just touch the primer crimp ring just to round off the burr caused by pulling the old cup through the crimp during decapping. It helps to use a hand-held primer insertion device to keep a good feel of insertion pressure going in.

[@outdooradventures1696]

Thank you for your excellent work. Am considering an 18 inch 1-6 twist barrel. Am concerned that the factory loaded 60 grain v-max may come apart. Do you have any experience with that bullet in a 1-6 twist that you can share? Thank again.

[@joehuff6360]

groups are sick man

[@calangel]

Love those 205M primers! They have given my hornet the highest velocities so far. Most consistent accuracy as well. The 200M (magnum pistol match primers) have been second best.

[@phillyeagle6942]

I would love to get my hands on any primers right now. Been using CCI 41s but only have about 1K left. Been unable to order any replacements for a few months. The 205M would be great to try.

[@calangel]

@@phillyeagle6942 about 1K is a better stash than me. I have a little under that...or a little over...not sure. Either way, they're different types (100M, 200M, 205M, CCI 500, WSP, Rem 6 1/2) and a few have a hornet load. The WSP I'm saving for a 9mm load that I only have 100 bullets for anyways.

[@BigRob345]

Johnny Reloading Bench do you have a need for additional 224 valkyrie brass?

[@jeffhuntley2921]

Christmas came early:) yea JRB!

[@andym82376]

Why do you think the primer pockets are getting blown out? I never heard of any such problems with the 6.8.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Best groups ever = guaranteed technical difficulties. Good video anyway. Need better brass option before I get one.

[@anchorbait6662]

I think overlaying a photo of the bullet next to the finished targets while you are back at the bench talking post range would be a help. I know you showed them in the beginning of the video but my brain just couldn't recall them after that. Thanks

[@frankrubeshaw4673]

Does anyone know what kind of paper he uses? I found the sticky dots on line. I like his set up. I’m going to start a load development for a RPR 6.5 Creedmoor I just got. Thanks

[@seandrake7534]

I would love to see some 35 & 40 grain bullets out of the 224 with a 1-13 twist

[@davidhargis6488]

Johnny, how to you measure the MOA and ES for your videos? Do you use software?

[@806Guns]

Did you have any cycling issues with any of these? I have used imr 4064 and h335 and when I load one round and shoot the bolt doesn't lock back. It catches on the mag

[@rdsii64]

You forgot the hornady 62 grain bthp LOL

[@johnnyshortsleeves]

Johnny, do you use the Magnetospeed Sporter or the V3?

[@paulwatterson5992]

Have you tried a solid copper bullet like the Barnes TSX?

[@3DClearing23]

Anyone catch the Varget charge weights used on these loads ?

[@recklesswhisper]

Oh hell yes... fantastic information! ^..^~~

[@FullSendPrecision]

Is that a Krieger barrel? (WOP / White Oak Precision roll mark)

[@ronl384]

Johnny- how many grains of H-4350 did you use for the 90 gr SMK at the end?

[@spyderxtra777]

Is there a reason they don’t just cut to the chase and make 1 in 6 twist standard for the 224V? Is that too fast for bullets to stay together? If not would you be limited to only 80gr+ bullets? Just curious

[@thebigmansoutdoors]

I don't necessarily think it is a twist issue. I have a 1:7 twist barrel and am getting decent results. At this point there is not enough evidence to make me think I should ditch that barrel and jump to a slightly faster twist. I think there are a lot of factors at play when it comes to getting consistent groups.

[@dominickdelfino7552]

Nice work Johnny I have my 1:6.5 twist barrel ready to put in the upper now I just need to get the damn barrel nut off of the old 1:7 barrel, Looks like 1:7 is a mistake for .224 Valkyrie! I also just got a bunch of 147gr ELD-M to test in 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@thebigmansoutdoors]

I don't necessarily think that generalization is correct. I have a 1:7 twist barrel on mine and am started to get decent results with hand loads. I think it depends on the barrel to be honest. I have not shot a 1:6.5 but I can't say that my 1:7 was a mistake.

[@austinconrad8253]

Are you still having primer pocket issues with the 224?

[@patrickmorrissey2271]

This is such an old video.... But, in case anyone is wondering, way back when... the Sierra "medium velocity" thing meant it was okay for 222 and 223.... But was NOT okay for 22-250 or 220 Swift..... At the velocities shown in this video, you were perfectly okay....

[@redraiderreloading7612]

We need another live chat session.

[@tedweldon8442]

I’ve found that the 15% of the fired brass start to have primer pocket issues at the 3rd loading then about 15% more each loading after that took me 6 loadings to destroy 50 pieces of Federal brass. Anybody have better luck with Starline?

[@toddcarl1362]

Great videos. I'm guessing you would probly recommend the 6.5 twist? I'm building a bolt gun in 225 Valkyrie and have to decide which twist. Ive whatched your 224 Val series and seems to me the 6.5 twist is a better option? Although most load data is based off the 7 twist. Thank you for sharing.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Yes, I would recommend a 6.5 twist. If you're building a bolt gun, however, I would go with a fast twist barrel in 22-250! When you're not limited by the magazine limitations of the AR-15, there are much better options out there.

[@toddcarl1362]

@@JohnnysReloadingBench I just built a 22-250 with a 12 twist. Loving it so far. 52 gr bullets are lights out in it but havent tried anything heavier. Thought I would try the 224 val to shoot heavier bullets. I wondered about the magazine issue with the 224 val. I have some thinking to do. Thank you very much.

[@spyderxtra777]

This is interesting of course, but the .224v really needs to shoot the 90ish grain stuff well and do it consistently with some reasonable brass life or it’s going to be on its way out shortly. There’s just no practical reason to own one to shoot bullets lighter than 80 grains.

[@TheRednek99]

The only reason I would want one is to try to get 22-250 performance with light bullets out of an AR-15.

[@fee_lo8346]

Wow... didn’t we start out with a 1 in 14 twist for the 55 grain bullets back in the day? Time does change things.

[@jdkirane7990]

I got a question for you guys. So I have a 22-250 Remington 700 that is not stabilizing 53 grain Nosler Varmageddons. I shoot them with 35 grains of Varget and they key hole. I'm not 100% sure what the barrel twist is, but it's a cheap 700 cdl. I think it might be a 1:14 twist... I really want to get this figured out for when the coyote hunting gets really good.

[@Tula1940_LB]

Try heavier bullets it's not stablizing the light weight ones. Try 77gr.

[@ExF1Guy]

JD Kirane Don’t try 77 grainers. I can almost guarantee that they won’t stabilize. Stability is dependent upon bullet velocity, bullet length and barrel twist rate. In your .22-250 in a 1-14” twist you should be good for anything in the 40gr-55gr range depending on the exact design. The 53gr varmageddons and v-maxes are a little longer than their 55gr brothers, so they will not stabilize while the 55gr pills should. Unfortunate given the great BCs of the 53 grain bullets. Check out the bullet stability calculator hosted on the JBM ballistics website for more info. I shoot the 40gr varmageddons in my CZ 550 and they are fantastic - .4s without much effort. Too light for coyote mind you. Running about 4320 FPS. Wicked little gopher round. You can confirm barrel twist rate by measuring how many inches a cleaning rod must traverse to make 1 full revolution.

[@TheSonsOfSimon]

Why do the velocities seem low to me? I am a hopeful reloader (one day...), so I’m quite ignorant regarding the dynamics at play; that’s why I’m asking you, Johnny! When I consider that a 5.56 NATO (55 gr FMJ) can see velocities of 3200 fps, many of these loads seemed slow to me. Am I wrong? Thanks for your detailed and excellent work, Johnny!

[@PeytonBesand]

He wasn't really looking for velocity in this video. He just took a generic charge weight and seated some bullets over them. The Valkyrie should easily outrun a .223 with all these bullets pretty easily. One other thing to take into consideration here is that when shooting light or varmint bullets, the extra velocity you gain compared to heavier bullets can cause problems with jacket integrity in fast twist barrels. In short, the bullets are just too lightly constructed to handle the stress of being rotated that quickly. The bullets today are being twisted at 340 000 RPM, and now that I see that number I'm kind of surprised there weren't any jacket failures. There's no hard and fast line, but typically once rotation is above 330 000 RPM problems begin to show themselves.

[@FullSendPrecision]

I've noticed the same thing when other folks are doing load dev in 224v with 69/77 gr loads... They're only going 100FPS faster than I do with 5.56 out of an 18 inch barrel... but it seems to shine w/ the heavies.

[@TheSonsOfSimon]

Thank you for the informed responses!

[@ccwynn6657]

Sierras' load data IS low pressure data. How do I know? Anytime you get poor neck-to-chamber seating and soot blown back along the case neck, shoulder, and even body, you know it is not high pressure loads.

[@GarRETE88]

I miss you Johnny. Come back to me.

[@randalloc]

What is the length of the barrel?

[@shanerhodes925]

The only thing is. Is what will happen when you push them to velocity. Then accuracy might fall apart with light bullets. Bit hard to say

[@johnpetersen5611]

Just wondering your thoughts on comparing 224 Valkyrie to the 223 shooting the same bullet like 90 grain SMK with same length barrel the load data on Hodgdon websites are similar in feet per second on max charges

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Is magazine length important to you? If you look at that 223 90gr SMK data you'll see that the OAL is longer than 2.260", which means it will not feed from an AR-15 magazine.

[@johnpetersen5611]

Johnny's Reloading Bench Good point didn’t catch that part just trying to decide if 224 Valkyrie is worth the struggle to get it to group under an 1MOA. Looks like 24 inch barrel is the only way to get 1-7 twist to group.

[@gonzo10mm69]

Burned out on 224 Vakyrie? Bummer Dude. I don't have the primer pocked issues you have but my chamber is apparently much tighter than yours at the case head. I'm at 5 high pressure reloads with the Federal brass and my pockets have loosened, but are still holding primers acceptably. I have not had any failures to stabilize in my 1:7 twist, but the 1:6.5 to 1:6.75 twist is likely the best for long range. I also think the 224 Valkyrie as a 223/5.56 platform replacement is a reasonable and valid position.

[@shermdog6969]

How are these velocities lower than that of a 223? Or did I miss something?

[@colsoncustoms8994]

powder charge and / or powder choice.

[@thomasstaples]

I’d like to see you try out an ARP Valkyrie barrel.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

If you saw how the White Oak Armament barrel shot in this video and the previous videos, why in the world would I try something different? Do yourself a favor and just get a White Oak.

[@thomasstaples]

Well I was considering 4150 melonite with 3r rifling for a couple different reasons, the 3r rifling is suppose to provide better accuracy with the copper solids (which I plan to shoot a lot of), reduces friction & pressure in theory extending barrel life. That added to the superior ARP bolt design (which I believe is only available with purchase of barrel) & well I was curious if the 4150 would provide accuracy that exceeds or is on par with a stainless barrel. It was just a suggestion for future videos, 416r vs cmv4150...

[@thomasstaples]

Maybe you could test some copper solids? One bullet I plan to shoot is the mk318 mod 1 & mod 0.mod1 is nickel plated & are all copper. mod 0’s have lead in front portion with solid base. I’ve been using the 62gr Barnes as a guide for load development. maybe I could send you some. How would I go about doing that?

[@halfdollar86]

Wow. To me it looks like the 6.5 twist shoots the light weight stuff fine. Looks like 6.5 may be the way to go

[@Jiminico]

15 shot group & @ .723” !!... contrast that to the channels that shoot 5 shot groups (or less) and throw the worst shot(s) out. Some get to the point that they stop making excuses or give any hint of the reason why they don’t count the worst shots. They just automatically take Mulligans. Nice going Johnny! Thanks

[@ieatkittenswspicymustard5089]

I saw some Kentucky counting there.

[@No1JetDoc]

300 Win Mag?

[@bnicedanicest6288]

Hmmm! Interesting great video as always you should check out SHLowlight channel although a bolt gun .224 Valkyrie w/ 26" Bartlein 1:7 barrel they were shooting out to 2112 yds and say 1:7 can handle everything up to 90 grainers no problem w/ velocities of just over 3100fps w/ hand loads Colombia river arms aka BHW makes a 1:8 which would probably run them light bullets great I won't recommend them because it's been 7 months now since I ordered my 24" .224 Valkyrie and they lie Corrina @ BHW gave me a fake tracking number that the PO can't find on their own system I've heard 4 different things 1st they had to do some electrical work that had a cost over run, then their server needed to get repaired (but they can continue to take orders online WT?..), then I called again and Corrina said you didn't get the email NO I did not so she asked to call back she did then that's when she gave me the fake tracking number I called back and talked to JP @ BHW I told him about how the PO can't even find that tracking number their own system and mysteriously lost the call called back nobody would answer, I called back again and asked JP just to refund my money he said he is not authorized to do that and the owners were supposedly at meeting somewhere said he would look into it and call me back more than a week later I still have not heard back from them. So well anyway although I have everything else I need to start reloading .224 Valkyrie still no barrel to my dismay so hope this helps anyone that's considering getting into .224 Valkyrie and building their own and save yourself the problem of going the BHW route from one straight shooter to another. safe shooting and hunting and keep up the great work TY for your due diligence

[@johnchausow4857]

Is KZbin gonna get you a 50k play button when you get there? If not I’ll hook you up

[@OzarkSpirit]

Best way to beat the funk. Get out the swingers, soda bottles, and propane tanks. Mag dumps, mag dumps fix a lot!

[@redraiderreloading7612]

Ozark Spirit shooting swingers in my town is considered murder..lol... cause u catch them in groups and doing things unimaginable...lmao

[@Tula1940_LB]

*Do a reloading video on .22lr please! I've been looking but no one has primers...*

[@DL33TT]

Next barrel should be a gain twist. :D

[@freshfowler1398]

6.5 in general is the way to go!! 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@nc_classics_9610]

Fresh Fowler Agreed

[@Thefringefitnessproject]

I had no clue that valk had that low of a capacity power wise..

[@daleswanson1784]

I notice you pay quite a bit of attention to overall length and rightly so. I wonder why you don't measure from the ogive instead of the tip which would give more consistent results with most tips, especially those with lead or open tips? Hornady as I'm sure you know makes a relatively inexpensive set or individual comparator inserts to use with your digital tool.

[@jimtanner8516]

Dale Swanson the guy has them already for some reason didn’t use them on this loads

[@roady7420]

Measuring from the ogive won’t guarantee overall length. If you are pushing the edge of what your magazine will reliably feed usually your talking about few thousandths. The variation from to bullet to bullet will be slightly different to overall length even if your measuring to the ogive. Prove it yourself take five bullets that each measure perfectly to the ogive with your Hornady comparator then check overall length. I guarantee you’ll find 5 to 10 thousandths difference in overall length. In bolt guns this isn’t a big deal but in semi-autos there is a balance. This variance is due to manufacturing process of the bullets the only current way I know of to minimize this affect is to move to solid copper machined bullets.

[@daleswanson1784]

@@roady7420 I'm well aware and have done it both ways. Magazine length is only important for (some) autoloaders while accurate length to the lands and grooves is important to all long guns although not so much for handguns. Most bolt or single load action shooters desiring maximum accuracy measure using the datum line on the ogive.

[@roady7420]

Dale then why ask your question when you knew the answer? Why not just post a comment on the process that has worked for you with Hornady tool. Thank you for wasting my time I literally could have just read about your process and moved on. You do know you can private message the you tuber.

[@daleswanson1784]

I was asking why Johnny's Reloading bench doesn't as he uses both bolt action and magazine fed rifles and seems like a savy guy. As tip length varies from bullet to bullet on many of them while ogive length is much more consistent and reliable, it seemed a reasonable question. If he used only mag fed rifles, I wouldn't have asked..@@roady7420

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Here's the question, why aren't 1:6.5 more common, even with other cartridges like 223?

[@AnthonysOutdoors]

You typically match your barrel twist to the heaviest bullets you intend to fire. In the example of 223/556 typically the heaviest bullets fired are 75-77 grains. And a 1-7 twist has been proven to be faster than needed. Now in bolt guns where your Cartridge overall langth can be longer than magazine length, people run 80 grain bullets in the 223. But velocities start to diminish to the point where you are defeating the purpose of running a heavier bullet.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

I guess my question is, if there aren't any major downsides to a slightly faster twist rate, why not run them faster? That way if someone wanted to for instance run heavy 80-100 grain bullets in a 223, they would have that option. There is all kinds of variation in twist rate slower than 1 in 7, but not really anything faster (although that may be changing). @@AnthonysOutdoors

[@AnthonysOutdoors]

@@colsoncustoms8994 At short ranges faster than industry standard twists isn't a bad thing. However at extended ranges where the bullets enter the transonic zone. Over spinning a bullet will mess with its stability. Rex Reviews KZbin channel has an excellent video explaining why this happens. Its alittle more scientific than I can explain lol.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

huh didn't know it would do that. Rex has great content. @@AnthonysOutdoors

[@rdsii64]

more 308 AR please

[@blazerk9614]

I'm not saying, I'm just saying I told you so with the little pills. Shoot some 95gr v-max in the grendel and creedmore, critter killers. Push them!!!