.22LR Accuracy Secrets They DON'T Want You to Know!!!

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[@thegunslinger4570]

That shooting table is effecting your accuracy more than anything else.😉

[@STKO2011]

Not really, I mean I'm shooting cards on edge at 150 yards in wind with $100 gun a few shots apart and hitting 22lr cases at 175yd back to back??? On video and using factory guns doing it with CCi SVs ...especially the fly swatter challenge 15 hits out 25 in under 3 minutes with oem 10/22 so definitely not the table just pure skill

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

😂😂😂😂 you tell em​@@STKO2011

[@Brianbri-nq3cc]

That's ONE (1) of the excuses that people use when they can't shoot accurately😂 If you're good you're good and if you're not you're not, no matter which excuse someone wants to use💥🤣

[@stephenbaker7499]

He seems like a nice enough guy,,, but he speaks as if he knows more than everyone else. I have shot rimfire benchrest, those people have real skill, this gentleman seems to be putting himself in the position of a real champion Hall of famer,,,, I was going to be much more humble about my opinion of this video until, I read some of his replies to people that had legitimate criticism of him, such as that rickety table that he claims to have shot playing cards on edge at 175 yd.. if you have done all those things sir then you should display all of your awards plaques ribbons and trophies.. people who shoot that game at that level are humble good and helpful people. I am not picking up that tone in your voice sir.

[@STKO2011]

@@stephenbaker7499 let's see you do what I've done with a Factory oem Ruger 10-22 in ARA Factory 50yd class matches, using CCI SVs and off the shelf rifle getting the scores i am achieving...the guy's that wanna come to my channel and comment ignorance wouldn't dare do it, they're all about match chambers in CZs and match ammo...I am doing it my way and the fact is my gun and ammo is literally trailing everyone not far behind in every match, never said I won or would win...I've said the same thing over and over my 10/22 can keep up which it has and for 10/22 carbine to do that is a feat within it self especially with CCI SVs

[@stevenmitchell6347]

It boils down to air density. That's why long range precision shooters use altitude, temperature, barometric pressure, and humidity in their calculations to ensure hits. The longer the range, the more critical the data.

[@smsgtbulldog]

In Southern Louisiana we consistently have 80-90% humidity which makes quite the difference in poi

[@bbhrdzaz]

Ammunition propellant does not require an external oxidizer.

[@14goldmedals]

Correct you can make a small pile in a vacuum chamber then using a piezo spark, ignite it.

[@ericeugenecole7090]

“they don’t want you to know” is a misnomer. Manufacturers do not explain nor teach the intricacies of ballistics. However they care not whether you are educated. This said your points about POI in different seasons, barometric pressures and air densities is spot on. Testing ammo for consistency is one of the the things which can give one a slight edge with regard to raising your score. Knowing the nuances of a given ammo in a particular gun matters. Stepping back; I do like to look at the standard deviation of chronographs velocity spread with various ammunition’s in various environments. Minimizing the spread of muzzle velocities does reveal how consistent the primers and powders ignite and burn. Poor primer ignition and poor powder burns will create inconsistencies in POI. For some of us; finding the ammunition’s which provide consistent POI in a given air density and temperature helps to reduce the probability that hat we take ourselves out of Match contention before we load our first round. I like and appreciated most of what you said. The exception is that I did not agree that ammunition manufacturers don’t want us to know about ballistics and the factors which are associated with their study.

[@Brianbri-nq3cc]

So fkng TRUE!👍👍👍 People are so use to using excuses for them not being able to shoot accurately😂👍👍👍

[@STKO2011]

Thanks! 👌👍

[@stevenwilkinson8373]

What an incredible waste of time.

[@STKO2011]

Haha 😄 🤣

[@drummer0864]

Gun powder has it's own oxidizers in the formula. The combustion happens in a sealed compartment between the bullet and the shell case. outside temp and atmospheric conditions past the crown of the barrel only effects the bullet not the burn of the powder.

[@stevekiemele995]

You must have a PHD - as in Piled High and Deeper.

[@STKO2011]

Haha 😄 🤣 that's a good one!

[@zl1jobjob5]

STKO Great content & interesting points thank you,! this does explain why why my grandad kept his .22 amo warm by putting on top of the hot water cylinder at certain times of the year, the day before he went to the range , he said it inproved his shooting, in wet conditions? Kind regards JOB

[@STKO2011]

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[@murraywigzell9431]

The humidity on the day affects the burn-rate of the gunpowder inside a sealed bullet inside a combustion chamber... If you had said temperature of the day then maybe I might have listened. But you are literally saying that your logfire burning inside your house will be affected cos its raining outside.... Did I get that right.

[@STKO2011]

Nope...

[@johnbiteme9118]

I'm pretty sure he said that high humidity causes residue to buildup quicker in the bore, and that build up affects accuracy compared to a cleaner bore.

[@edgell3]

Spot on! I would love you thoughts on rim signing and matching the shells you use to particular weapon. I personally measured the rims of 500 CCI Win Mag 40 grain cartridges. They varied from .035” to .055” with my19/22 set up shooting the most accurate with cartridges between .040” to .045.” Now I do not do companion. I’m an old country boy who likes to shoot. My first rifle was a 22.

[@STKO2011]

Well wish I could help you but I don't sort rim thickness...I found it not worth the time, but if there is a difference in your gun it could be sensitive to temperature or moisture

[@setapart1forever]

Thanks for what u do James b blessed

[@STKO2011]

👍👌thanks!

[@jeffsmth46]

Thanks for the info

[@pnotuner1]

I haven't had a failure with Norma Tac 22. And I am starting to get more confident in it's accuracy

[@STKO2011]

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[@chainbenwa2713]

That and cci standard vel are my go to ammo. In my experience some lots of norma tac are more consistent and more accurate than some lots of cci standard. Another thing I like about the Norma is it’s supposedly got a better BC than standard velocity despite it having a semi flat point. Still the most accurate 22lr ammo I’ve ever shot was a lot of cci standard vel.

[@dave-kg1ue]

Norma Tac 22 is my goto practice ammo. Lapua center-x for ARA matches

[@ValMartinIreland]

An old (now passed away) hunting partner of mine used to advise keeping 12 gauge shotgun shells warm in his trouser pocket.

[@ed5042]

you are SO my got to for rimfire shooting!!!!!!!!! Thanks

[@STKO2011]

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[@kevinh4631]

I’ve never had a misfire with chi or blazer ammo, I have had some with aguila, browning, and herters.

[@22lr_plinking]

Great video well said. 👍👍👍👍

[@STKO2011]

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[@terrybrooks2120]

Could be the difference in temperature sensitivity between powders, either way something good to think about.

[@STKO2011]

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[@jmc5985]

This is what the "dunning-kruger effect" looks like.

[@STKO2011]

No my abilities are pretty self explanatory? I have 1800+ scores in ARA Factory class 50yd benchrest with a Factory 10-22 and I have several shots unedited hitting cards on edge at 150yd + ...walking from target to bench and using only 1 magazine with called sighters...it's called skill

[@rbakken2999]

In the fall, on damp cold days around 35F. I tend to see more misfires? Did I hear you right, that humidity gets inside the case? I keep the rounds in my pocket which helps a little. I wondered if the cold barrel makes condensation inside the brass but I don't think it could happen that fast...? I'm talking about 17HMR...

[@woodrowbrimm2805]

I've had problems with Aguilla 40 gr. in my Rossi RS22 I had a case Blow out at the rim and a few with the rim swollen . I decided to save the rest of the carton for my Heritage Convertible . A few days ago my Grand Daughter was shooting the Aguilla ammo in the Heritage and had 2 rounds swell so badly they locked up the cylinder. The air temp. was about 115* F. here in Northern Arizona so the Temp. may be a factor but I'm not about to buy any more of that ammo. We also shot some Federal and Win. 40 gr. ammo the same day with no problems.

[@eduardozepeda9930]

What’s your opinion on Aguila standard and high velocity? I have a ruger 10/22 carbine

[@STKO2011]

should shoot well, I have had great results in the past depending on what you're doing

[@frankbrowning328]

IMO CCI Standard Velocity is the best practice ammo for target shooting especially at 50 yards and under with both pistols and rifles. It is also the most popular at the ranges I attend with all the target shooters for practice ammo

[@STKO2011]

Awesome 👌, I use it for everything except hunting ...even long range the results are amazing in my guns

[@frankbrowning328]

@@STKO2011 I use a lot of it in all my 22LR rifles and pistols. I also love the CCI Suppressor 45 grain HP in pistols. I shot the best handgun group of my life with that round, a .300'' 5 shot group at 25 yards with my S&W model 41 & my Trijicon RMR. The CCI Suppressor is good for backyard varmints inside 50 yards. I also like the 1080 fps CCI segmented HP for quick kills on crows and woodchucks

[@STKO2011]

Nice!!! I had a similar experience with my SW victory using CCI subsonics with red dot...taking it squirrel hunting is really fun !!!

[@frankbrowning328]

@@STKO2011 I love the challenge of small game hunting with a 22LR handgun.

[@STKO2011]

@@frankbrowning328 👍

[@johnshanks8390]

learn a lot from these videos.

[@STKO2011]

Awesome!

[@matthewspeller]

This is comedy right? You have no idea what you're talking about lol

[@STKO2011]

Haha ok when you can pull off the shots and scores I have with same budget rigs then we'll talk

[@Brianbri-nq3cc]

Can you explain how he's wrong?

[@bwrscott1]

@@Brianbri-nq3cc Comedy doesn't need to explain the joke to get a laugh. STKO is providing us with his shooting history, so we don't need to waste our money on thousands of rounds to start approaching his ability. He is decreasing our learning curve. Or you can choice to believe this is all made up and experiment yourself shooting lots of different loads and brands.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

I wonder if expansion has anything to do with it. Most things expend when they're heated, and contract when they're cold. Does that have an effect on the barrel, or the cartridges & projectiles?

[@STKO2011]

Possibly but my recent video I just uploaded after this was on par with results I've gotten in different climates , only difference is I'm getting a flier now on the 3rd or 4th shot that strays

[@dansaver8247]

Good comments.

[@edp1189]

BS

[@STKO2011]

Haha 😄 🤣

[@user-px5dj2ug9f]

I shoot .22 bench matches...outdoors. Believe me, temperature does affect poi . Not consistency necessarily. We shoot year round, in the evening. In the winter as temperatures drop, your zero changes significantly .

[@STKO2011]

Yep!

[@claudiodominguez.]

I only record my groups in a high altitude valley in the equator.

[@davidlewis3790]

James, thanks for all the info. What are your thoughts on the effects of % Relative Humidity on the inside of the chamber and bore. I understand it has minimal effects on a bullet in fight but i feel there is more going on in 22lr with humidity in the chamber and bore. I see different in MV where temperature are the same with different RH values and it produces different velocities. Any thoughts ?

[@STKO2011]

It varies from different chamber sizes some barrels prefer drier air versus humid moist air...that's why it'd be best to track it like I did, so you know when to shoot certain ammo or even different barrels

[@davidlewis3790]

@@STKO2011 Thanks James, Yes, i have been monitoring my velocities, group sizes and environmentals and im picking up inconsistencies, i feel land and groove, and chamber diameters play a lot in cold bores, especially from SAMMI vs CIP standards. Im in British Columbia and we are just entering our warmer months with higher humidity values, be interesting what i pullout of the next few months shooting at different temperature and absolute humidity regimes. A lot to consider and difficult at times to analyze with so many factors at play, hard to sort out the static at times but its 22lr. Always nice to take a deep dive into this, well keep up the great work and i enjoy listening to your work and thoughts. You always keep me thinking!! Thanks, Dave

[@STKO2011]

@@davidlewis3790 thanks for watching!

[@johnkellmer5133]

Good 'ol common sense. I do like Fiocchi SM320, but that may just be my Mkll.

[@STKO2011]

Nice!

[@StuLau]

My suggestion is go look up Bryan Litz who has written many books on accuracy. He does the science of it and I think you will learn allot from it.

[@STKO2011]

Yea I've talked to Doc Beech several times from Applied Ballistics and we're on the same page, that's why I get the results I get ....

[@ffrank7905]

Do you separate by rim thickness?

[@STKO2011]

Nope

[@fastmover45]

Rim thickness is a big deal

[@bretnmannn]

switch the barrel, switch the barrel, fact fact fact, besides ammo differences barrel changes from factory SO SO barrel to a true precision valquartsen or a precision fedderson barrel do make a total difference in accuracy! this is a fact coming from a machinest that changes barrels and shoots matches!

[@STKO2011]

👍 Yep, depends on what you're doing...and match restrictions

[@kodiakkeith]

Eley isn't that much more expensive unless you only buy the match stuff. They have standard grade round nose, HPs, etc, that are much cheaper and at least in my rifles are all more accurate than CCI.

[@STKO2011]

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[@mikegargiulo194]

And that’s just the way it is….😂 You are making some good points and some not so good points…true all guns shoot different ammo differently, but switching barrels and guns doesn’t make sense. Find a brand that works in your gun, and go with it. And yes, lot numbers do matter because the same machine in that lot number is making those boxes. I’m new to 22lr shooting, but learned a lot from UT… the most important part of shooting, in my opinion, is the shooters discipline. You can have the best gun, the best and most expensive ammo, but if you aren’t breathing properly, or can’t steady yourself before you squeeze the trigger, then everything else doesn’t amount to a hill of beans! Just my thoughts….

[@davidlouton2860]

My bs meter just went off of the scale lol. This guy doesn't have a clue.

[@susanliggett3982]

🎯 sir.

[@STKO2011]

👏👌👍

[@45035]

WOW.my mind is blown on how smart you are. Carry on Sr.

[@STKO2011]

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[@darrylryder8114]

I'm glad you've done the research. But I have to disagree with you. My stock CZ 457 LRP does not like CCI standard velocity it does like Eley team and match and tenex that shoots between 1063-1076fps year round in Louisiana, I'm sub moa at 100 yards and a .31" at 50 yards. And about three and a half inch group at 200 yards. You do want to find what speed your barrel likes. My tricked out 10/22 likes tac 22 match. Which is fine for tree rat sniping or golf balls at 100 yards. Some of my single shot 1960 era 22s like stingers of all things year round. Now that being said does temperature and wind make a difference? Absolutely both do, but if you want consistent shooting you have to buy ammo that is known for its consistency and that your barrel likes. Course this is just my opinion also

[@STKO2011]

That's awesome!! But unfortunately doesn't work like that in the midwest especially Indiana where we can vary 100 degrees from winter to summer easily...my budget semi autos, 10/22 carbine and Mossberg 702 get sub 1/2" groups at 50yd and hit old business cards on edge or 22lr casings out to 175yd back to back within one 10rd mag with called sighters on video here on the channel, easily sub moa at 100yd with CCI SV not to mention the 1800 + scores I'm getting in ARA Factory class Target benchrest at 50yd with my 10-22 Carbine

[@whiskeykilmer1866]

@@STKO2011 Sure

[@STKO2011]

@@whiskeykilmer1866 its on video and my competition results don't lie ....so yeaaaa sure is right

[@dhooter]

Wouldn’t “they” want you to know? Sell you an accurate product? Woo Ha

[@STKO2011]

Yea for gullible people

[@bfox87]

Ive noticed my eley match accuracy fell of then sk match did even better what your talking about may be why

[@STKO2011]

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[@whathahk]

Wow.... Well you also said Aquila was the most accurate ammo, but you didn't mention it at all! 😏Though you said it was a bit dirtier than most! But you tested it as the most accurate! 🤔

[@STKO2011]

Back then Aguila was Eley primed big difference to the stuff today

[@whathahk]

@@STKO2011 Hmmmmm how does it compare? Is it worth using? as I bought a bunch of it from that video....... aka when SHTF stock.........

[@STKO2011]

@@whathahk last time if I remember it still shot good 👍...nobody local has it anymore so I haven't went out of my way to get it

[@whathahk]

@@STKO2011 😬 k

[@bwrscott1]

For the Algorithm. Great channel.

[@STKO2011]

Much appreciated!

[@patrickbolthouse7354]

Follow the science

[@STKO2011]

Yep just facts! 👍 People don't like it

[@cccmmm1234]

Your statements about summer time and winter time gas make zero sense. Gunpowder does not depend on atmospheric oxygen to burn, it creates its own oxygen where it needs it by breaking down the gunpowder. Temperature can be a factor but the rest is buzzword bingo.

[@STKO2011]

Didn't say it depends on it ...if you actually heard what I said ...water attracts water ...more water in the warmer air ,which goes back into the barrel after the smoke has cleared depending on the temperature and humidity causing more or less buildup in the chamber

[@ericrumpel3105]

@cccmmm1234......listening / comprehending not your thing.....lol...u require crayons.....

[@JohnVentarino-ey5ln]

James I know you know your stuff and your smart as hell buddy that's why I take your word real seriously.

[@STKO2011]

Thanks but I just want people to think outside of the box or for themselves...cause we both know alot of people just follow blindly and get mad because their results aren't up to par and here I am doing what I am doing, holding back most of the time ....

[@arnoldfoote1925]

I shot 10 different types of 22 Lr ammo, 10 rds. of each, 2 five rds groups, in my Lithgow 101, 50 rds then 50 rds. why did the Eley Force, and the Federal Ultra Match shoot better than the rest my gun doesn't know which ammo is which? CCI standard diid ok but not like the hi end stuff.

[@STKO2011]

Cool!

[@pinslayer4579]

So your conclusion is ...... Lapua center X and Wal-Mart Remington bulk will have equal accuracy when fired off of a wobbly card table out of a budget rifle. And people believe you because you're on u- tube

[@STKO2011]

haha!!!

[@anthonyciarrocca2476]

I prefer rimjob to rimfire

[@RaymondPexton]

Your making to much out of shooting .22's

[@STKO2011]

Well there's a big difference when you're shooting just to hit something versus competing and knowing your bullet impacts

[@mac1pine]

As much as I'm really interested in what he has to say, he needs to stop trying to read his cell phone and chopping up his delivery. Also sound & mouth are not synced. This is painful to watch & listen to...